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Restrictions on Free Will

  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    Free Will basically consists of doing as one pleases.
    Question:
    1. What restrictions do we willingly place on our own free wills?
    2. Why are we willing to make these choices?
    3. What restrictions do we unwillingly, or begrudgingly accept?
    4. Why are these restrictions unpleasant to endure?
    5. How does God's will fit into all this?
    5. Do angels have free will?
    7. In what ways do some religious groups misinterpret God's will?


    ( Choose the topic(s) of your choice. No grades will be issued.)

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Does bliss consist in surrendering free will or willfully following God's will?
      I believe it is the latter.

      Question: What is God's will?

    2. hack writer profile image81
      hack writerposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      1) I identify what needs the people most important to me have and not do things that hurt them. If there are conflicts of interest the "helpless" come first. I try to keep my words and even thoughts pure too. Like I try not to lash out if I do not get my will.
      2) To be a responsible mom. To raise good kids. To have a positive impact on those around me.
      3) Restrictions forced upon me by others that I cannot understand.
      4) Because I don't get what I want and I might not understand why it has to be that way.
      5) I have no idea what God's will could be. I am assuming I am supposed to learn to use my free will not to my advantage only but for the greater good. I agree. God's will is love.
      6) All this is speculative. But I am assuming angels have proven to be good willed beings. I am assuming they have free will and could turn from good to bad.
      7) Religion is man-made. All of them. The more they claim to know exactly what God wants the less I listen.

    3. Michael-Milec profile image61
      Michael-Milecposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      If / when my will is free, why then restriction?! Speaking not in general terms. Free will is my ability to choose if anyone restrict it isn't free anymore. What am I doing or what's my duty is to know what is right and apply it freely. Restrictions to freely choose doing right will handicap my righteousness by which only my faith in God will sustain and prosper. So, my decision to enjoy free will liberally  was based  early in my youth when given following as a motto ," Rejoice, young man, while you are young, and let your heart cheer  you in the  days of your youth. Follow the impulses of your heart and the desires of your eyes , but know  that God will judge your motives and actions." My choices of free will has been based on  those actions  of no need to be ashamed for or fight agains by some  restriction. Not making a fool of myself was easier then the other… Oh, if there is a stop sign on the corner of the street, that is not a question of my free will to be restricted. My free will is telling me  to make a FULL not a fool stop. ( You get the idea ).
      5. How God's will fit into all this? " For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all men. It is teaching us  to give up all ungodliness and worldly desires and, here and now, to live lives that are disciplined -( Reminding of DISCIPLES) -righteous and godly…'' Simple and easy.
      6. Yes they do.
      7. Religious groups ?! I don't care for  any religious interpretation of God's will ,- all are unreliable.
      The one who prays " Our Father" - My Father--your will be done-- this one is already a member of the family  so are you with or against ?!
      God's will is revealed in His work of creation and sustaining of the universe.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        "What am I doing or what's my duty is to know what is right and apply it freely"

        I wish it were that easy.

        To know what is right does not guarantee I will apply my will freely in that direction.

        "It is teaching us to give up all ungodliness and worldly desires and, here and now, to live lives that are disciplined -( Reminding of DISCIPLES) -righteous and godly…"

        What is "ungodliness"?

        Who can give up worldly desires when... here we are:  IN THE WORLD?

        1. Michael-Milec profile image61
          Michael-Milecposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry coming late-- long ' shift ' in other business : keeping in mind that quotation is for them who willingly want to live " godly " ; for us means those desires of the world which estranged a person from God - desire,-to covet after with the purpose  of appropriation( resulting from deceased condition of the soul...( explained  meaning of the original words).

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            ungodly desires: "...those desires of the world which estrange a person from God"

            This sentence is a mystery.
            How does Jesus explain this sentence?

            Who is "God" to Jesus: "Father in Heaven."

            Therefore, the desires of the world estrange a person from Father in Heaven.

            It seems the goal is to leave this world on a conscious level.
            It seems God would like us to simply come back home... surrender our free will to going home and just exist in spirit with Him.

            Isn't that a lot to ask!???
            In my mind, it is asking us to willingly give up free will. Or to use our free will to go home in Spirit.
            I really think he will wait until we WANT to.

            Right?

            Meanwhile, how do we motivate ourselves in that direction, since we cannot FORCE ourselves… or any one else, for that matter!!!

            1. Michael-Milec profile image61
              Michael-Milecposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              The best of all in Jesus words ( Sorry no " explanation ") = ' No man can work for two masters  ( serve two masters ) , for he will hate one and love  the other , or he will honor  one and  other he will ignore. ( despise  the other ). … Purpose of singleness of heart !  Human nature is TOTALLY to be attached only to one.
              One more,  "  Jesus answered ": ' if anyone  loves me he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make our home with him. '

            2. Michael-Milec profile image61
              Michael-Milecposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              FREELY - not FORCED  we receive the WORD  ( John 1: 12.13 ) . .." You are already clean because of the  word  which I have spoken to you " ( it's up to me   WHAT I WANT !) what you want. If anyone chooses otherwise, leave alone my choice, don't put me down to feel yourself " above ". Jesus : dwell in me, even as  I dwell in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself , if it does not stay in the vine, so neither can you, if you do not stay in me." 
              You might be familiar with this " It is no longer I who live, it is Christ who lives in me. The life I now live in  the body I live by faith, faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me...."  Personally , I do not have any problem with this statement - only to take it as my own since I cannot say it better.
              Therefore, my life is easy to live without worry.

    4. Righteous Atheist profile image60
      Righteous Atheistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      That is not what I understand it to be, but OK.

      Morals, laws, cultural bans, etc.

      To fit in with our society.

      Taxes, one rule for the rich, one for the poor, speeding laws, CCTV cameras etc, etc, etc.

      Because they are unfair.

      It doesn't.

      Don't know what they are.

      No one knows what this is so they make it up to suit themselves.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    1. I will restrict my free will in order to do good for fellow man / neighbor. (...will not play loud music in the middle of the day, etc.)
    2. To be on good terms my neighbor.
    3. I unwillingly put on my seat belt in order to not get a ticket.
    4. Because I am not in the habit and would rather not think about it.
    5. God's will does not really fit into any thing I have mentioned.
    6. Angels have free will. They cooperate 100% with God's will.
    7. Religious groups misinterpret God's will by claiming they have the ONLY way to know God and that others MUST follow their way.
    8. What is God's Will? I only know it is based on love.
    9. How do I know what love is in any given situation?  By conferring with my self: my True Self.

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    Thank you to all the brave and creative souls who have contributed.
    It seems to come down to this question:

    What on earth are we free to do?
    My answer is this:

    We are free to choose our consequences. For instance, we reap whatever we sow:
    If we do nothing we will receive nothing or worse.
    If we foster love and good will, it will spread.
    If we raise our kids with kindness love and discipline, they will be kind, loving and disciplined.
    If we work for money, we will obtain money.
    If we work toward a career through education, mentoring and experience, and cross the finish line with the appropriate credentials, we will find a rewarding way to earn a living.
    If we maintain our health on a psychological and physical level we will obtain good health.
    If we steal a car, we will be arrested.
    If we get pregnant without a nest, we might loose our young… or worse.
    Etc.

    If we confer with our True Selves, we can avoid a lot of trouble and negative consequences.
    By conferring with our True Self, our best use of free will is discovered.

    We can always act according to our own discernment of what is truly best for us.

    Right?
    Or NOT in today's society?

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      For instance,

      Are women valued more and more for their ability to contribute to a second income and less and less for their potential and capacity for nurturing?

      Are people encouraged more and more to take pharmaceutical medications for energy and sleep rather than establishing natural sleep rhythms and eating nutritious foods?

      Are students in school encouraged to accept the indoctrinations and teachings of others, rather than thinking and reasoning for themselves?

      Are students encouraged to get good grades rather than find and research subjects which interest them?

      Are children given less liberty and time to play in favor of the enforced discipline of team sports?

      Is creativity encouraged?

      Is excellant craftsmanship encouraged, taught and expected?

      ETC.

  4. Michael-Milec profile image61
    Michael-Milecposted 2 years ago

    The best of all in Jesus words ( Sorry no " explanation ") = ' No man can work for two masters  ( serve two masters ) , for he will hate one and love  the other , or he will honor  one and  other he will ignore. ( despise  the other ). … Purpose of singleness of heart !  Human nature is TOTALLY to be attached only to one.
    One more,  "  Jesus answered ": ' if anyone  loves me he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make our home with him. '

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Where in the world did you get such a quaint notion? 

      I'm very attached to my wife, and my children as well.  There is an insoluble bond between me and my grandchildren, and a very strong one to my siblings and mother as well.  And I don't think I'm THAT unusual.

      1. Michael-Milec profile image61
        Michael-Milecposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        No, nothing unusual ; the answer was given to previous " how does Jesus explain this..." and I do not see it anymore.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Which explains a fair bit - when I looked earlier I couldn't find who you were replying to, either. 

          Carry on, then.

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        But they are not your "masters."
        So, we have the "master" of Ego or the "master" of God.  Ego (matter identification) being illusion. God (spirit identification) being reality.
        We have free choice to choose which one to identify with.
        If we wish reality, we choose spirit identification or True Self.
        If we choose ego identification or Illusory Self we will find illusion.
        Do we wish to experience reality or illusion?
        What are the consequences of choosing reality? Heaven?
        What are the consequences of choosing illusion? Hell?
        Could the basis of guiding our wills be that simple?
        (Perhaps anarchy is possible if everyone committed themselves to experiencing reality.)


        PMC

        1. Righteous Atheist profile image60
          Righteous Atheistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          How odd that you are here experiencing matter identification as usual. Why not go experience reality? wink

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Are you telling me to leave illusion?
            yikes !
            ( I can't, either! I love it!)
            ( Darn. )

            1. Righteous Atheist profile image60
              Righteous Atheistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              That is because it is actually reality. wink

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
                Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                What is more real... matter or imagination?

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  If you want to live in fairy land, that's your choice. But please don't claim it's real.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Nothing can manifest without an original idea which comes from where?

                2. Righteous Atheist profile image60
                  Righteous Atheistposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Hold your breath for an hour and let me know. wink

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Paul of the Bible could stop his heart. Jesus taught him advanced yogic techniques.

                    PMC

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    "...those desires of the world which estrange a person from God"
    ...actually a sentence fragment.
    We are supposed to go home to Spirit.
    End of story.
    But what is the motivation?
    Perhaps it is Death.

    At the end of our lives where are we going???

    To hell or heaven?
    To bad karma or good karma?
    To fear / regret or to love / peace?
    To sleepiness or wakefulness?


    Pardon My Craziness

 
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