When we explain salvation to people who want to know, we use "Roman's Road" which are verses from Romans,
"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. " Romans 3:23
"For the wages of sin is death ; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" Romans 6:23
"But God commended His love toward us, in that, *** while we were yet sinners*** Christ died for us" Romans 5:8
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, though shalt be saved" Romans 10:9
"For whosoever shall CALL UPON the name of the Lord shall be saved!" Romans 10:13
this is a very useful way to explain salvation
Let me be the first to say I'm a sinner, and a hypocrite at times! I fall and get up. I've been reading in Romans how Paul says, we are still sinners even though saved by Jesus, and we (hate ) sin but do it anyways--we'll always have the flesh (addictions) - lust, gluttony, sloth, anger, jealousy, greed, and pride (7 deadly sins) ....
Just some food for thought tonight.
I disagree...all of that is Paul's teachings, not Yahshua's or God's
Paul was the biggest, most powerful deceiver, who ever walked the Earth
He has deceived more people than is known, and turned them from the true doctrine of God
I disagree...all scripture is given by inspiration of God (see 2 Timothy 3:16), therefore it is His. He used men to write the words, but the words are His. Paul was only an instrument as were all the other writers of Scripture. And Paul was very vocal about his shortcomings and despised them, unlike many of us. There's probably nothing negative we could say about his past that he wouldn't have agreed with, but since Paul died in Christ, all his past deceit and other sins forgiven.
How do we know that? Because the unknown authors said so?
The authors of scripture is not unknown. Time to do some research
So? Who was the original author of the Gospel of Luke? It certainly wasn't the disciple carrying that name...
And who wrote Job, or Genesis?
Luke, was not a disciple, It is believed that Luke who was a friend of Paul copied the other books of Matthew and Mark, in a book with his name "The Gospel according to Luke" It is believed that Paul may have helped. The second part of acts is believed to be written by Luke also
Edit: But Luke is not Hebrew so it doesn't matter to me, and has nothing to do with the Jewish bible. The Jewish bible does not contain the New Testament, and it did not come from Hebrew
Job, and Genesis were written by Moses
I took this from my website
[Prophecy leaves Israel, and no more prophets arise].
[Persians overrun Babylonian Empire]
[400 BCE: Plato; Greek philosophy]
3363-3386 Evil Merodach, Babylon Freed Jeconiah.
3386-3390 Belshazzar, Babylon Last Babylonian king
3390 Darius the Mede, Media-Persia Killed Belshazzar
3390-3393 Cyrus, Media-Persia Authorized rebuilding of the Temple and return of the exiles
370 BCE: Jews return to Israel from Babylonian exile
3393-3407 Ahasuerus, Media-Persia Husband of Esther and ordered a stop to construction on the Temple
3390-3393 Darius the Persian, Media-Persia Esther’s son, authorized the completion of the Temple.
355 [*] BCE: Miracle of Purim
3408 352 BCE: Construction of Second Temple begins
[Sparta defeats Athens]
347 BCE: Time of Great Assembly begins
[Greeks overrun Persian Empire]
[338 BCE: Philip of Macedon rules Greece]
[336 BCE: Alexander the Great rules Greece]
[323 BCE: Alexander dies; Ptolemies control Egypt and Israel]
312 BCE: Greeks conquer Israel
245 BCE: Torah is translated into Greek; Greeks persecute Jews
199 BCE: Selucid Syrian/Greeks conquer Israel
168 BCE: Greek decrees against Judaism; Desecration of Temple
167 BCE: Matitiyahu begins Revolt of Maccabees in Modi'in
166 BCE: Matitiyahu dies; Judah Maccabee leads War against Greeks
165 BCE: Temple recaptured; Miracle of oil occurs
165-140 BCE: Jewish war against the Greek continues
140 BCE: Hasmonean dynasty begins
139 BCE: Miracle of Chanukah
[Romans overrun Greek Empire]
63 BCE: Romans invade Israel
You can see that the timespan between Moses - who was handed the Torah at Sinai and who wrote the Book of Job - and the men of the Great Assembly - who canonized the books - was significantly more than 1000 years.
Edit: Job is one of the oldest books of the Hebrew bible
2 Timothy was written before the New Testament existed. It was in a letter, that's all it was
2 Timothy is talking about the Jewish scriptures, since the English ones did not exist
According to the bible; an entity of much higher intelligence appeared to and communicated with Abraham ! It is written that this entity said that he created the earth and everything in it. This entity professed itself to be GOD.
God made a covenant with Abraham and all of Abraham's descendants.
God told Abraham what he would do and what was expected in return.
For the next 1600 years or so; God continued to give mandates and prophesy to the "children" of Abraham.
Every one of these mandates and prophesy were directed Only to and for his descendants.
When we Christians understand this; we will see prophesy with different understanding.
Most importantly, we should remember what Jesus said about watching out for false prophets and false Messiahs. I'm sure Jesus also meant for us to watch out for false teachers and their teachings.
How can we be sure if Paul falls under this category ?
We should at the least be mildly suspicious of any teachings which seem to contradict the teachings of Christ.
In Rev. it is written that Jesus speared to John while on the Isle of Patmos . This prison was closed down in 96 AD. In Johns vision, (96 AD) He sees a New Religion coming into existence that will be so close to truth that it will fool even some of the elect. (My interpretation of "if possible")
In order to do this, in my opinion, the doctrine of this religion would have to be approx 99% accurate.
Do we know fore sure that this prophesy did not come to pass approx 240 years later when The Emperor of Rome established a State controlled Universal church.
I Don't Know ! This is why I just stick with the "Words written in red" I still sometimes fail; I used to be very bad at following them. And I still have a ways to go. I'm still a work in progress.
Sometimes the most difficult thing to learn is SELF.
Jarami, it's been a long time since I have spoken to you, it's been about 2 years. I used to see you as a boy in God, but in a short time you have become a very spiritually knowledgeable MAN.
I can relax, and feel sure, you're being led on THE path
I'm pretty sure I always did agree with your thought processes more than you thought I did.
I was just on a different path and unable to express what I was seeing.
I've always (since before I've been on HP) understood Daniels prophesy in a way which led me to believe saying pretty much the same thing I've seen you saying but for different reasons than what led you to your conclusions.
Hope I said that right
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