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The Universe Doesn't Care - We Are All Lab Rats

  1. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    This is what I believe.

    What say you?

    1. DzyMsLizzy profile image91
      DzyMsLizzyposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      I have said similar things in the past. I usually express it in these terms:

      "We are all nothing more than pawns in a cosmic game of chess."

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        .
        I agree. To think we are the highest intellect in the universe is hubris.

        To think we are the highest intellect here is also hubris.

        Therefore...

  2. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 22 months ago

    We are wild rats.  There are worse things to be.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image89
      paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      How the heck are you these days anyway? big_smile

  3. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    What? No one cares that the universe doesn't care? I mean I agree, but wouldn't someone like to chat?

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      Emile Rposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      The universe sent a message. 'Hello pudding.' Pudding. Sounds like a term of endearment. Maybe you're its favorite lab rat?

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        One does work at it and wonder. Basically we are all scr#wed. No hope. No nothing at all. Death equals death. I don't like that and I am willing to play.

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          Emile Rposted 22 months ago in reply to this

          Well, i don't think we're screwed. We're simply wrapped in an enigma. Might as well enjoy the moment.

          1. paradigmsearch profile image89
            paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

            No. We are I. Are we extinguished?

  4. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    I'm good (I hope) for another 20 years. I'm really interested in what others think.

  5. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    I really would like to chat with anyone who disagrees with the title of this thread.

    1. Sed-me profile image82
      Sed-meposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      You already know what I think... I believe there is one hope. Without this hope, I don't think I could face the difficulties life throws at us. There are some here now who are facing days so dark, they must feel like the pain will never end. I've talked to them. I know their pain is overwhelming, but God's mercies are new every morning. Each day offers a new chance to start over and do things differently. You know what? I'm reading this book right now that I bet you would actually love. It's about changing our stories. <3
      http://www.amazon.com/Million-Miles-Tho … 1400202981

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        We are the rat race,after all.

        1. paradigmsearch profile image89
          paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

          You can do better than that.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 22 months ago in reply to this

            One time rats exceeded humans as the largest populated manmal on earth.
            So much so that half of Europe in
            the middle ages
            were wiped out
            by the plaque
            related to over rat population.

            Man experimended on rats to see why
            their survival rate
            was so great.
            They found their
            behavior living
            were similar to
            humans. When
            over crowded
            rats would kill
            more often.
            ,steal, act more criminal in general. Mother
            would love and
            care less for their young.

            Yeh! Folks welcome to the
            rat race

      2. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        Sed-me, I so like you. Hope and want does not equate to what is real.

        1. Sed-me profile image82
          Sed-meposted 22 months ago in reply to this

          Indeed.

  6. Sed-me profile image82
    Sed-meposted 22 months ago

    And I like you too. smile

    1. paradigmsearch profile image89
      paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      The Universe Doesn't Care - We Are All Lab Rats

      Let us start.

      1. Sed-me profile image82
        Sed-meposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        If you mean talking, then you must speak plainly. You are a bit cerebral and sometimes a bit over my head... If we are to discuss anything, dumb it down por favor. smile

        1. paradigmsearch profile image89
          paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this
  7. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago
  8. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago
    1. Sed-me profile image82
      Sed-meposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      Ah, Glory Days. Who knew it had such a long intro?

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        Getting slammed with 30-sec ads, jeez. Elton John ~ I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6KYAVn8ons

      2. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        So, rugrat, how seriously you want to play?

        1. Sed-me profile image82
          Sed-meposted 22 months ago in reply to this

          I don't know the rules... I don't even know the game, and I'm watching the last few episodes of Breaking Bad... so I'm not sure if I'll be much competition.

          1. paradigmsearch profile image89
            paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

            Competition for what? There is no competition.

            1. Sed-me profile image82
              Sed-meposted 22 months ago in reply to this

              Well you said "Are you ready to play?" That usually means a game and a game is usually a competition. I told you you talked over my head.

              1. paradigmsearch profile image89
                paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

                No.

              2. paradigmsearch profile image89
                paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

                You are a lot smarter than you apparently think. Stop that.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago

    The "universe" is the same as God?
    If the the answer is yes...
    then I disagree.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image89
      paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      Agreed.

  10. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Actually, lets sort it out.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      God cares.

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        No. Willing to talk.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

          Okay, okay… I think God is watching every baby that is born and is really enjoying the drama of its life unfold.
          - wouldn't you if you were omnipotent?

          .

          1. paradigmsearch profile image89
            paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

            Why do you think an entity is watching over our species?

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

              I think God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. He is in a position to know everything all the time. I like to think he is enjoying the show (whichever and wherever) like a soap opera he can follow at will.
              Why do you?

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 22 months ago in reply to this

                Is that why you think god is watching?  Because you "like to think" so?

                Somehow, it seems so...insufficient.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

                  What would be "sufficient?"
                  Seeing God standing there in front of you and then telling everyone, "Here He is!" ?
                  What if God were more subtle, manifesting in some other way than a tangible, limited form?

                  You also have an expectation, wilderness.
                  And what you expect is based on your imagination.

                2. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 22 months ago in reply to this

                  Wild

                  LO

  11. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Why do I what?

  12. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    I wish to give respect.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      You wish to give respect but can't figure out why you should when he does nothing to help us whatsoever.
      Why do you have the expectation?

  13. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago

    Of course, I think there is an entity because I imagine there is. It is a very powerful urge that some of us have: to believe there is a watching entity.
    I wonder if it is a universal urge.
    Are some prone to it and others not?
    Based on what do you suppose?
    Childhood conditioning?
    Suggestions from church… handed down from the days of Jesus?
    And before that God had a heck of a time trying to get mankind to stop worshipping idols and other gods… which of course they merely imagined to be real.
    So you have asked a very profound question.
    The answer might be better offered by others.
    ...especially sed-me. smile

    1. paradigmsearch profile image89
      paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      I am listening.

  14. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    There seems to be a sorting problem as to posts.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      Do you believe there is a watching entity
      and why do you believe there is?
      Do you just sense it?
      Or do you know you are definitely guessing.

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        -1  on that.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

          repeating:
          You wish to give respect, but can't figure out why you should when he does nothing to help us whatsoever or whatever….

          Why do you have expectation?

  15. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    K. I just meant to give respect to you and your beliefs.

    W. How the hell are you? Been a long time.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      You mean my beliefs based on my imagination, which wilderness would agree with.
      Sigh. Our ignorance is what is not fair.
      Nothing more to say.
      Thanks for the respect.
      BFN

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        I am willing to work with you.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

          Okay. Once upon a time a baby was born...
          Want to hear more?
          ( I mean a random baby…)

          1. paradigmsearch profile image89
            paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

            Now you have lost me. ?

          2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

            The baby was instructed upon the ways of the world and nothing else.
            What hope was there for this person when he grew to be an adult?
            There is so much to discuss, but one has to want to know the truth of the matter. Until that time it will seem like God doesn't care and that we are all lab rats, when the opposite is true.
            What actually went wrong in the Garden of Eden?
            That is the real question.

  16. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Meanwhile, W, you there?

  17. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago

    Sometimes, I wonder if childhood is not the Garden of Eden.
    Then the hormones of teenager-hood take us out of this garden.

    For instance, I remember seeing images that were not really there, like beautiful green hedges with butterflies and flowers all over them.
    I told my mother what I saw and she did't know what I was talking about. It was not my imagination. I believe I saw beyond this world as a child.

  18. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago

    How can children be so happy? They are infused with a joy of life. They bounce back from disappointments and bad situations and love their parents even when the parents are abusive.
    They are born kind and empathetic and with great potential for happiness.
    I remember standing so still for a very long time waiting for a butterfly to land on my hand containing sugar water. I don't remember If one ever did, but talk about patience! Children are not naturally restless. They are calm and open when allowed to be.
    They actually have a natural propensity to believe in God.
    What if we taught them to confer with God consciously through intuition?
    They could find him… God would communicate with them and guide them…
      towards what?
    I believe someday we will know.
    Thats all.
    Meanwhile we just have to be patient with ourselves and each other...
    and our ignorance.
    Which explains why I said, "God cares."
    Thanks for the topic, Paradigmsearch.

  19. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago

    I'm sorry, paradigmsearch.
    You probably just wanted to chat.
    I don't know what is wrong with me!

    I'm fighting a really weird bug, making me feel very spacey.
      I really wonder where all the atheists are!
    No one has refuted me here.
    Wow.

    I am glad we are having rain and stormy whether. Not enough but, some.
    I don't know about where you live in CA but here in So Cal it is really great:
    Blue skies, green grass and trees... all signs of drought gone!

    PS What we have here are Hubris Pages!
    ...and thats okay!

    1. paradigmsearch profile image89
      paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      All is well. You are still one of the privileged few that I still  follow. big_smile

  20. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Meanwhile... As fellow lab rats, maybe we can figure out some way to get The Experimenter's attention in a positive way. Maybe figure out something that The Experimenter wants. And then providing it, which will give us a positive response in reciprocation? Any ideas?

    1. Sed-me profile image82
      Sed-meposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      I remember once a pastor of mine said "So many ppl think God's watching them b/c He's waiting for them to slip up. Like Santa with his good and bad list. But the truth is, God adores you so much, He can't take His eyes off of you."

      You don't have to 'get His attention' PS. You already have it. He loves you.

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        I have once again decided that you need to be watched and am following you.

        As to the Experimenter, there are over 7 billion of us. Hello, fellow bacterium.

        1. Sed-me profile image82
          Sed-meposted 22 months ago in reply to this

          To a layperson bacteria is an annoyance... something that is seldom thought of and never seen.
          To a scientist, microscopic matter is of the utmost importance and his eye is more often on the microscope than off.

          1. paradigmsearch profile image89
            paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

            It's an interesting petri dish we live in.

            1. Sed-me profile image82
              Sed-meposted 22 months ago in reply to this

              Mmm hmmm.

              1. paradigmsearch profile image89
                paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

                You are so good of heart. I truly do wish the best for you.

                This also seems to be one of the kinder, gentler religion threads. I like that.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      Wow!

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        Yes.

  21. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Looking for conversation here. Any philosophical subject will do.

  22. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    No one?

  23. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    What the F#ck to do with the rest of my life... Mulling things over.

  24. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Last call. Oh, well.

    If you seriously have a question about your thoughts (or even naught). Let us play.

    Otherwise, more thoughts of mine will continue. big_smile

  25. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Got more?

  26. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Come on. Let's do a real have fun conversation. Offer expires in probably 6 hours.

  27. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    I chat all points of view.

  28. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Don't make me search you out. Benign.

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      Emile Rposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      Ok. I notice you put up these lab rat threads intermittently. Is there a catalyst which causes this? Are you a happy lab rat most days, but become pensive concerning your assumed plight on other days and seek conversation on the matter?

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        Yes.

  29. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Here.

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      Emile Rposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      I can't say I've ever felt like a lab rat. Although I have been known to rail at the fates. When the whole thing seems overwhelming I always tell myself there will come a time where it will all make sense.

      Not much help. I know.

      1. paradigmsearch profile image89
        paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        Agreed.

  30. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Aside from the fact the title is true. Sorry.

  31. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Still no one wants to play?

    We have it here.

    Pro or Con.

  32. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago

    Did you know rats like to be tickled? They laugh when you rub their bellies… so I heard. not sure… never seen it.

    1. paradigmsearch profile image89
      paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      We seem to be disparate.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        I thought we were rats.
        - special (edit: unique) ones.

  33. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    My labratness continues (spellchecker has hissy fit)...

  34. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 22 months ago

    Meanwhile, checked the morning news. I am so tired of that cr@p. Our species is such a mess.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      Apparently we are fallen rats. We used to be more special and unique. Then something happened. Was it the Experimenters fault?
      I think so.
      Others will disagree.
      The Experimenter gave us quite a challenge if you ask me.

      1. paradigm search profile image80
        paradigm searchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        I am also in SoCal.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

          really? Let me guess…
          Malibu.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 21 months ago in reply to this

            The West side?
            OC?
            The Valley?
            off the 605… the 110? The 210?
            These episodes always cracked me up big time:
            https://screen.yahoo.com/californians-d … 00032.html

  35. paradigm search profile image80
    paradigm searchposted 22 months ago

    I like the forum changes.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      What were the changes?

  36. paradigm search profile image80
    paradigm searchposted 22 months ago

    Does anyone here really dispute we are all lab rats? I'd really like to hear it. Not only that, I want you to be right.

  37. paradigm search profile image80
    paradigm searchposted 22 months ago

    Or we can meandering chat on a rare friendly thread.

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      Emile Rposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      ok. i'm starting to feel like a lab rat myself.

      1. paradigm search profile image80
        paradigm searchposted 22 months ago in reply to this

        One really does wonder.

  38. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 22 months ago

    Does the Experimenter know how to save us ?
    No.
    But our Creator does.
    Our Creator has a plan.
    He knows how to bring us back into the realm of Spirit from whence we originated.
    All we gave to do is pay attention to spiritual matters.
    The Lords Prayer gives a good hint.
    Our Creator's kingdom is in heaven. Heaven comes as His will is done.
    We just have to figure out what His will is.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 21 months ago in reply to this

      Rats and mice are more simular to human than most animal. In ways of social behavirour, health and disease. Don't think rats care
      much for organized super
      stitious and scienist .
      rejected using lawyers for experiments

      1. MonkeyShine75 profile image81
        MonkeyShine75posted 21 months ago in reply to this

        I thought it was pigs who are most like humans

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          SirDentposted 21 months ago in reply to this

          You may be right but I know at least a few people who are like pigs.  tongue lol

          1. MonkeyShine75 profile image81
            MonkeyShine75posted 21 months ago in reply to this

            No, but I'm serious that's what I've heard.

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              SirDentposted 21 months ago in reply to this

              I know you were serious.  I read these forums all the time and feel that a touch of humor is helpful at times.

 
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