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Love in the sinner hate the sin. Are you defined by your sin?

  1. spiderpam profile image52
    spiderpamposted 8 years ago

    Hello,
    I believe that all sin occurs when we give into temptation. Every sin is a choice and we make your own choices
    For example: I have stolen, lied, had permartial sex and I have a temper. All my sin started as temptation(ie seeing an outfit I wanted but didn't need, Wanting to make a better impression or make myself look good, or just wanting to be love and thinking sex was the only way to feel loved) and when I gave in I sinned. This goes for everything sin including homosexuality.
    ALL sins are eqaul, but I think what causes so much debate and anger regarding sin especially homosexuality is we as the world have blurred the line so much that anything goes. I know stealing is wrong and a sin, but I don't go around an say I was born a thief, born a liar. I wasn't born that way and I have been able to stop those sinful ways. By choosing to forsake sin and live my life accoring to God's word.  Are we born killers, rapist, thief, liars, greedy and/or people love material things more than everything else or do we have circumstance that lead us into temptation then we choose or not choose to give in. That's does not mean I'm not tempted, I just refused to give in to those temptations. And it seems in order to justify ourselves we seem to devalued ourselves so we are lower than animals ie " Dogs do it", "I just can't control myself." or "My phyiscal or instant pleaseure beats all" Think about it.(A) Are you defined by your sin or are you (B)A Child of God who has sinned, and have been forgiven. I chose to be option B
    God loves us, regardless of how far you may have gone astray into sin.  He has made all of us in his image and likeness (Genesis 1:26-27), and has a special plan for your life.  He offers forgiveness to you if you will forsake your sin, trust in Jesus Christ, and follow him.  Jesus paid the penalty for your sin (death) so that you can have peace with God.  When you turn away from your sin, God welcomes you back with open arms, just as the father welcomed the wayward son home (Luke 15:11-32).
    PS It's Never too late until it's too late.

    For more info
    http://www.gotquestions.org/victory-over-sin.html

    http://www.the-highway.com/lovesinner_Gerstner.html

    http://www.porn-free.org/homosexual_God.htm

    http://www.believethegospel.com/

    Much Love

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      You keep quoting from one book of hundreds that were all written by sexist men who worshiped a hateful entity who had childish fears and then punished mankind for them. You have no proof for anything that you say other than one of these books which tells you that women are nothing and that if you don't believe you die. How can you believe this tripe.

      1. spiderpam profile image52
        spiderpamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        You made your choice in this life, I choose this path I wish you all the best.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          spiderpam -

          I am interested in your thought process here.

          You have had a number of people tell you that your words are offensive and almost certain to drive people away from your religion (I must admit it is people like you that persuaded me your religion is garbage) yet you continue - saying they are not your words - you are just spreading the lord's love. There have even been a few religious people tell you much the same thing.

          Why are you continuing to do that in the face of being told that you are upsetting others?

          1. spiderpam profile image52
            spiderpamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            All unrenpentant sinners and non-believers will take offense to the word on God because it directly contradicts the life that want and have chosen to live. John 15 v18-27
            As for the why you already know why but here it is again
            Mark 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."
            Much Love to ya

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              No thanks - you can keep your love.

              Odd meaning of the word love.

              Seems like hatred and bigotry to me.

              1. spiderpam profile image52
                spiderpamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                That doesn't surprise me.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  What? That I reject your "love"?

                  Because it feels like judgmental bigotry.

                  And I notice you did not answer my question. Numerous people have become offended at the "love" you are sharing.

                  Do you even have an opinion of your own? Just because you have been a bad girl and have now magically forgiven yourself for being a liar, a thief and whatever else you feel it is OK to have done - but not being a homosexual.

                  You are judging people every time you tell them that being homosexual is a sin.

                  I pity you, but I also thank you. More proof that the christian religion is garbage.

                  So - thank you for reminding me.

                  Good luck with not judging anyone............

                  1. Colebabie profile image61
                    Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    Isn't judging a sin? smile

                  2. spiderpam profile image52
                    spiderpamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    The World Hates the Disciples
                    18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.'[a] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. 22If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin. 23He who hates me hates my Father as well. 24If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: 'They hated me without reason.'[b]
                    26"When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. 27And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

                    "All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.

  2. Paraglider profile image90
    Paragliderposted 8 years ago

    Please stop trying to speak for all of us. I am not a sinner. Of course I do wrong things. We all do. But sin implies an offended God. I don't need either concept.

    1. spiderpam profile image52
      spiderpamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I'm speaking mainly for myself, but Romans 3:23 states "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

      That's why Jesus died for all of our sins.

  3. Mark Knowles profile image60
    Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago

    I just want to know what permarital sex is. This must be some perversion that I missed out on in my youth and I feel kind of bad I missed it.

    Guilty even sad

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Me, too sad

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        You missed out too huh? For all I know - it is a life changing experience and I missed it. Maybe we should ask gamergirl - she knows about these things wink

  4. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    I think it's a good idea, she definitely knows her stuff wink

  5. gamergirl profile image59
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    One of my spiritual teachers told me after questioning me about a concept that there is a difference between parroting what I have read because I have absorbed the words, and speaking from understanding of my reading's deeper meaning.

    Spiderpam - please stop parroting to us.

    1. spiderpam profile image52
      spiderpamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Please understand if you believe you've got it all figured out this is not for you. I do wish you all the best on the path of life you've chosen, but please allow everyone do the same I'm simply offering my POV just as you do.

  6. gamergirl profile image59
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    Again you speak without understanding what is said to you.

    Speak all you like - however, I for one would like to know YOUR views, not the snippets of the Bible that you feel apply, but in your own words, from your own understanding, without the need for the copying of words from any other source.

    When you can support your views not with Bible quotes or links to your cause-friendly websites, but your own words, then you may receive a bit more in-depth a response from the Hubpages populace.  As it sits, all you've received so far are questions which you have neglected to answer, and joking which you have (for obvious reasons) bypassed completely.

    1. spiderpam profile image52
      spiderpamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe you should read my topic post again, The post is my testimony from my own life and how through Christ I'm forgivgen. I do wish you all the best.

  7. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 8 years ago

    I don't feel bad about my sins. I can't really change how I feel. I guess I feel that they shouldn't really be sins? And the choices I make in my life shouldn't be considered equal to the horrific acts that are committed? I feel like I am defined by the good things I do in this world because my "sins" aren't really bad. I hope I will be known as the girl who helped others and made the world a better place, not the girl who had premarital sex, or wasn't baptized, or who curses occasionally, or has played quite a few hands of poker, or any of the other "sins" I have committed.

  8. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago

    No matter what sins I have committed or not committed. It is not up to you to judge...

    1. spiderpam profile image52
      spiderpamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I am not judging you or anyone else, I'm sorry you can't see the difference, but I wish you well.

  9. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 8 years ago

    You made me laugh. Thanks Mark smile

  10. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 8 years ago

    I think if I didn't sin I wouldn't be happy. I know that sounds bad. But I would be sexually frustrated and not a happy camper. On top of other things. I can't feel bad for things that make me happy. Don't judge me smile

    1. spiderpam profile image52
      spiderpamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      If you feel judged it is not by my words you feel that way it is your own conviction.

  11. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago

    No one has said they hate you...

  12. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 8 years ago

    Your question was "Love in the sinner hate the sin. Are you defined by your sin?" I answered that I believe I will not be "defined" or known by my "sins" but rather the good things I have and will do in my life to make the world a better place and improve the lives of others. You stated "There is little else to say other than if you would like to learn more about my faith, our God and Jesus christ I am happy to tell all that I have experienced and understand. " Realize that while you may believe in God and Jesus Christ, others may not, so it is not "our" God but your God and those who believe. It is one thing to ask a question and then explain what you have learned in your life, it is another thing to attempt to persuade others by quoting the bible and and using it's words to convince others what you believe.

    "Without faith, hope and trust, there is no promise for the future, and without a promising future, life has no direction, no meaning and no justification.” Adlin Sinclair.

    Well I have faith that the heart of life is good, I hope that I will be able to make the world a better place while I am here, and I trust that as long as I am a good person and am happy, I am serving my life's purpose. I know I have a future, direction, meaning, and justification in life and for life.

  13. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 8 years ago

    That quote has nothing to do with religion in my opinion. I'm pretty sure Mark does believe in himself.

  14. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    I thought you beleive in FSM yikes

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Don't you believe in him?
      FSM has a rep right here on earth, sorta like the pope and if you do not believe in him, as a disciple myself I will put a horsepower limit on your car and restrict your steering geometry!

 
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