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The soul

  1. mohamedhmm profile image59
    mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago

    what happen to the soul after the person is dead?
    because many people are confused about soul; and here we let every body know more about soul because we live by soul; and the soul who i am...

    1. apeksha profile image59
      apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      its true even scientists also tried 2 catch soul in 2 the glass coffin but failed...
      no body knows answer of that ..but there is a natural power who controls these things...

      1. mohamedhmm profile image59
        mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        But God told us; and noone over GOD, and we knew that from HIM; Soul it's the secret of life

        1. apeksha profile image59
          apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            A natural power maybe, but god?

            1. apeksha profile image59
              apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              so u are agree with my point that there is power behind all this.but nobody has seen god I mean they says heaven  and hell but is there any proof of these..

        2. apeksha profile image59
          apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry,but Have you ever seen God...I agree we experience magiv of nature...but nobody have seen god n so after coming from heaven ..told such things...

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I  have seen God ,been one with the light and now I share my story. smile

    2. RKHenry profile image78
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What happens to a car when the motor blows up? 

      The soul is nothing more than the life source of the human body. Just as a motor is to a car.

      1. apeksha profile image59
        apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        then if u can see motor in car why cant u see soul in body..
        If after accident u find motor broken then have u saw soul in such condition where it goes?

        1. RKHenry profile image78
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I was just waiting for a question like that.  Have you ever seen a person die?  You can see the energy.  You can see the light of being alive and the grey cast of being dead.  It is very distention.  It's very clear to see.  One minute your up and running, when that energy {the motor} shoots craps- your dead.  The same as with any motor.  Oh you can see it if your paying attention.  Ask a doctor.  They can verify this information.  At least I don't think it is a secret.

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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The soul is the body.  big_smile When it is dead it goes back to the ground... decomposed returned back to where it came.  big_smile The Spirit is something else.  It makes you unique.

          1. RKHenry profile image78
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Did I miss understand the post?  I thought is was about the soul.  I do not see the word spirit being raised in communication, except with you- now.
            So Sandra, are you stating a fact based off your belief or concrete evidence?  Or are you truly commenting on our posts about the soul? 

            No ill will.  Let me get that clear right now.  It seems lately that people are having problems with direct questions these days.  So let me reiterate- no ill will.  Just wanting clarity.

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              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Probably so RK,  I was making an assumption based on the idea of the question that was asked about the one asking about what happens to a motor when it is dead. 

              To me it seemed that the question was based on not on what happens to the body as defined as a soul or the spark of life in a person, but the deeper part of human soul, being the parts that make up the individual self that we are attached to.

              Possibly, I don't see that people are only attached to their bodies in what happens to it after death because we can plainly see what happens to a body when it is dead.

              So my apologies.  big_smile

              1. RKHenry profile image78
                RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I like to acknowledge this point of view.  I think you said it best.  Yes I believe that the soul is the "spark" of life. 

                The spirit is the soul's personality. Or will, that's how I think.  I also feel, that that personality is based off of our DNA makeup.

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                  sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, actually I also feel that part of the personality is based off our DNA makeup.  We inherit personality traits, the fascinating part (to me anyways) is the nature vs. nurture effect. 

                  Meaning (in this context) that we are naturally disposed to our own inherited traits such as temperaments but we can also nurture ourselves to change if perhaps we want to.  So I think it is pretty neat. big_smile

          2. mohamedhmm profile image59
            mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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            The soul is not equal the body; the soul who made the body alive; the body just material; so when the soul leave the body, the body is dead; and when the soul come back and enter the body; it will become a live....
            we live by soul....
            and no difference between the soul and spirit; they different word for same thing; and sometimes spirit used as a good meaning for inspiration...

            1. RKHenry profile image78
              RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I do not agree with the assessment that the soul and spirit are the same thing. 
              Further more, I believe that spirit is the root word for inspiration and that to be the only connection between the two.

              1. Jewels profile image81
                Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The spirit is more our essence, the soul is that which we descend through and the body is what we use as a vehicle.

                The Soul is that which is corruptable and it is that which creates the most angst in people.  Personality traits are part of the kalaidescope which is the soul.  And as Sandra pointed out, it is part genetic - that which is passed by our parents.  Corruption comes from our organic environment, the influence of our parents, our society as a whole.  This influence is what contaminates something pure.

                You will see how a child when born has a presence and is the closest link to a 'Godly' experience or feeling many ever experience.  Mothers will tell you that.

                It is the Soul that requires attention in order to get back to the Pure core, or spirit.  The soul is that 'thing' that is swayed by the four winds.  The spirit is the eternal flame.

                1. mohamedhmm profile image59
                  mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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                  this is depend on how we use the word spirit.
                  but we agree; that, the soul is not same as the body.
                  but even if we will die; the soul alive in this life; and one day it will come back to the same body- like finger print-; so, every one pay for his/her sins, and if you are good good for you, bad is bad for you.

                  1. Jewels profile image81
                    Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I personally believe in reincarnation which is where I part company with many on the religious forum - nevermind!

                    My vision on the mechanism of life-death-rebirth is:

                    We are all an emanation of the Source (call it God, call it the Force, I personally like the FSM as it covers all bases and I know sense of humor is paramount on this journey)

                    Without getting too mindy here (cause this is the part that created philosophy in the first place) - We were all 'One with the Source/Force/FSM'  At some point we separated (huge context to this event)or became individualized.  Could call it a change in consciousness.

                    But what influences our consciousness? (have to take a wide birth here.)  In ancient times it was said to be the Astral realm - stars and all things 'out there'  Stars and Planets have an energetic influence.  This can be experienced if you are an avid stargazer.  The word tune in is another way of saying - sense it, see it, feel it.  If you are sensitive enough you can feel different flavors.  Hope you're still open minded here?

                    In the work of Rudolph Steiner, for eg, and in line with ancient philosophers - Plato etc., it is said the influence of the stars is what animates us.  The word zodiac has connections with 'zoo', and you will notice that the constellations are named mainly after animals! Humans align with the animal kingdom in many actions as you may have noticed.

                    In ancient times the ability to feel and discern was much much greater than it is now.  But to cut a long story short, this energetic influence becomes a cloak for us to wear while meandering down here. If you look at the study of astrology, planetary forces are made up of positive and negative traits.  This bodes with the idea of a polarity as well.  In Western Esoteric writings, the Soul is equated with the Astral Body.  The Astral Body is the influence of Stars and Planets.

                    When you separate Soul from Spirit - it's easy to see the mechanism of being incarnated - don't look at this from a human geographical standpoint here.  Think non-physical.  We are in essence Spirit - a pure essence of the Force.  In order to experience the human condition (don't know who's idea that was!), we needed an arena - the Soul is what we 'put on.' 

                    Because of the corruptable nature of the soul (remember we have access to the positive and negative traits) it is not hard to see how far we have fallen from grace.  We are less in touch with our essence and now identify ourselves with the cloak - the soul.

                    It is the soul that needs to be purified, transformed in order to reunite with the spirit.  Some say that it only takes one life to do this.  You are born, you experience life, you die and go back to spirit. I don't agree with this - though I wish it were true to me, makes it easier.  Our spirit is gunked with the stuff of the soul.  The Astral influence has become so corrupt that we are having trouble as a whole finding balance and rising above or out it.  Experientially, most people will understand that it's easier to see the negative in ourselves than the positive.

                    It is the corrupted soul that keeps us earthbound and in a cycle of birth-death-and rebirth.  Meditation is the modality many use in order to find the Spirit, first they have to wade through the gunk.

                    The soul is smothering the spirit - boy isn't that easy to see.  We are NOT our soul, but we are dramatically influenced by it, so much so we only identify with that and not the true essence of ourselves.

              2. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Here these words souls and spirit can get confusing.
                You can use soul as well as spirit for the energy in you and you can use the word spirit as the holy spirit signifying god or all souls together no seperation-One..

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              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              My injector, the Qu'ran says that the soul will be alive again at the resurrection in Paradise or Heaven, or however you believe it to be.  It is the body, the soul that rise again.

              Let me ask you out of good discussion, nothing of ill will because I am not against you in anyway.  My question is, how would you know that you have again risen in the same soul after death if it were not for the spirit? 

              Given what you said about the spirit used as a good meaning for inspiration, what has inspired the soul?

              1. mohamedhmm profile image59
                mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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                sorry; but koran never said the soul would be dead; and also the soul=spirit; and also our body alive by soul; and we are just body dead without the soul...

                   

                1. apeksha profile image59
                  apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  see what that sandra rinck saying body is soul...
                  hates off to her....

                2. RKHenry profile image78
                  RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Did he just flip-flop on his verdict?  I know the spirit=soul thing was the same, but then he writes, "and we are just body dead w/out soul..."  Okay.  Glad you've seen the light.

                  1. mohamedhmm profile image59
                    mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this


                    i mean; we are just dead body without the soul

                    as i said we are alive by the soul

              2. apeksha profile image59
                apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The soul is the body.  big_smile When it is dead it goes back to the ground... decomposed returned back to where it came.  big_smile The Spirit is something else.  It makes you unique.??????????????????????????????/


                who told you this?

          3. Jewels profile image81
            Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The soul is not the body.  The body is an organic structure in which consciousness is held and acted out.  The Soul animates the body - with personality, emotions etc.

            1. mohamedhmm profile image59
              mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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              we agree about the body; it's just material.
              but the soul it's the power that make our body alive; the soul it's like energy or electric; you couldn't see the electric in the wires but you knew there is electric there...
              is this clear?

              1. Jewels profile image81
                Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                It is clear how you say it, but I don't totally agree with it.  The soul helps animate the body, it's our thoughts and emotions.  Thoughts are generally responses from something that stimulates.  But it's not necessarily the fuel.  When you dissect the process of thought, feeling, stimuli, organic responses - there is a meeting of the soul with the organic and within this mechanism is the charge, or fuel for the body.

                If you go inside yourself, you can have the experience of the mechanism.  It's hard to pass this information and make it clear. Sorry for that.

                It's easy to see how the body is the conduit for thoughts though.  Thoughts don't start in the brain, they come from outside the body.  When you experience this (by slowing down thought through meditation) you can tangibly feel the effects of thought as a fluid non-physical, but a fluid dimensional substance, falling onto the brain surface. It's very tangible, just takes practice.  This is how you can prove to yourself that something non-physical is at play.  Once you see this, feel this, know this, standpoint changes.  It's indisputable to one who experiences this.

                But if you wanted to make the process really simple (yet not specifically accurate), your statement would be on the mark.  The soul animates the organic body.

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      streetfireposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Doesn't the soul go to sleep until the trumpet blows

  2. mohamedhmm profile image59
    mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago

    The soul who I am; and God told us in Koran- The last holly book for Muslims- that we die when the soul leave the body; and then, the soul is alive but it could be happy if the person was good in his life or it could be in pain and suffering if the person was bad in his life.
    we are alive by soul; only you are dead by the body only;so, watch out what do you do in this life; it's just short trip for our real life after the soul leave the body...
    and this is so clear in the last holly book from our God.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I have a better reason for good behaviour in this life. It is the only life your gonna get!

      1. mohamedhmm profile image59
        mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you wish; you will meet God if you like or not... think about it

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No you think about it, your the one who believes it.

          1. THE SOUR MAN profile image58
            THE SOUR MANposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Personally, if I ever get a chance to meet your god (wich I doubt)I will certainly seize the oportunity to tell him my deepest toughts ,and I'm not shure he's gonna like it.But that's allright because I've got Darwin ,Einstein,Nietsche and a couple of more guys backing up from behind.

            1. mohamedhmm profile image59
              mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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              At all God promise those who denied God and his signs, lessons, verses,messages, prophets; then, they shall be driven to the hell; and all disbelievers will be never successful.

      2. apeksha profile image59
        apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree that we should spend meaningful life inmost from aur soul n not only body..but No body seen God ...

        1. mohamedhmm profile image59
          mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The prophet "moses" talked to GOD; and the last prophet of this nation "Muhammad" did saw God in His kingdom and Talked to him; and this is one miracle did happened to Him and mentioned in Koran and God swear by it it's real meeting with God; and it's a great meeting for Islam as God gave the prophet Muhammad the five prayer....and you could read more about it if you like; and there are many lessons you could learn from it...
          God near from us, and we could see his power in our life; and we will meet him and see him more clear for us than the sun in the sky...

          1. apeksha profile image59
            apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            i agree that we feel god's power but is there any scientific proof behind that as u said mohommad saw god

      3. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You haven't gone beyond so you don't know.

    2. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Buddhists call this moment as Death Point and is considered the most crucial time for the human.This is when your soul leaves your body and it totally depends on your thoughts at that moment of time.If you are thinking God you will go back home to Allah or God,if you are thinking of anything else you will materialize yourself again in order to complete those desires. smile

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Bollocks! That is what you believe it is not the truth, it is only your truth.
        "Life is your own myth live it as you see it"

        1. mohamedhmm profile image59
          mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          i agree with you in this...


          Buddhists not really from God like Christianity or Islam, it's a way of life for a good man; and instead they learn from him and just follow him, people after him worshiped him as God; but, they did same the Christians did with the lord Jesus and equal him to God...
          and that's the reason God sent the last message after all of these to Guide us to his way..
          and again the soul is us, and simply if you are sleeping and have a bad dream, you feel relief it's not in real life; but, you experience it like real; then, if you have a happy dream you wish it's real and you wish more of it...
          we are alive by soul...

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The Buddha got enlightened and because of this you have the religion Buddhism.He fused with god ,just like Jesus or Mohammad or any of the other prophets .

            1. apeksha profile image59
              apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              ya Buddhism is nice thing and different..

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Apeksha all religions are identical.They teach meditation and that man has god within him .You can connect with god in you and its a state of absolute bliss. Love so pure and unconditional. : )

                1. apeksha profile image59
                  apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  But there is no colours of war in Buddhism so I said..People with that religion are very loving and caring to their relatives...

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    True they are not a war like religion.This happens once you understand your prophet or religion teaches you love for all .

        2. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You need to learn.

      2. apeksha profile image59
        apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Have you experienced that thing?
          Any scientific reason?

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes I have experienced .Was in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean and entered into a state of samadhi or got enlightened .
          No scientific reason. Beyond ant tangible prooof.

    3. daeemomin profile image60
      daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Holy Quran is not only for Muslims. It is a common property of the whole mankind just like air and water....

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yip, When Jesus asked who will help him do Allah's will, the disciples said we serve Allah, we believe in Allah... make us part of yours and let them know we are Muslims.

        -I know this is not a direct quote but it is something like this.

        Also it says that Christians and Jews and another sect. are acceptable as well.

        that is us we should have no fear or grief because we are of faith and knowing that we are all of God, we should say to each other, let us be together.  - I love that!

        Also whatever differences their are concerning Jesus, it will be Allah who will clear it up but that we shouldn't be worried about this because Allah knows everything, what is in our hearts, why we do what we do etc...

        1. apeksha profile image59
          apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Do u know mohommad the actual facts are differnt but after so many years people diverts from the basic masiha's work and then publishes magic things infrnt of us to earn money from books,...so kuran I have respect in my mind but dont indulge yourself in such non scintific things please ...think with your own power..is it possible?

        2. apeksha profile image59
          apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          There is no allah no jesus its all about a single natural power and we call those all but with different names

      2. mohamedhmm profile image59
        mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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        yes i agree

        1. apeksha profile image59
          apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ya its common for all but capture only good things from that and please if you are mentioning religious books here then you all are making all this world religious and so yourself..

  3. Jewels profile image81
    Jewelsposted 7 years ago

    The soul equates to the psyche and is the seat of emotions, passions and lower rational faculties.  Ancient Greek literature gives this interpretation as does the teachings of Rudolph Steiner.

    The Soul, our thoughts and emotions is the known state of consciousness. 

    There are states of consciousness beyond this however, to be aware of those states becomes fanciful unless you practice and are aware.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So true."The road least travelled"

  4. Jewels profile image81
    Jewelsposted 7 years ago

    Ernest - guess who's done some travelling?

    The Death Point referred to above is similar to falling asleep where our consciousness leaves our body.  While our body rests in a bed (usual mode of resting) our consciousness is not numb but turned toward the non-physical world.  You could say the Soul turns toward a non-physical world.  At death the separation is permanent.  During sleep their is still a link. But think about it, if our consciousness stayed in the biped, how would our body rest and revive? 

    The experience of having consciousness during sleep is called astral travelling.  A person's consciousness leaves the body and becomes conscious that the physical body is in the bed.  The experience is very tangible.  Proving it however, can only be done by many people having the same experience.  And for those who have never had it, it remains a vague concept.
    http://hubpages.com/hub/Astral_Travelli … ual_seeker
    The above link may give more info on the experience.

    The practice of astral travelling, or retaining a state of consciousness in the sleep state is usually done by spiritual initiates in preparation for death.  Retaining consciousness in the sleep state is understood to be the same or similar at death.  There is a practice called Yoga Nidra that helps prepare the initiate for retaining consciousness.  At best astral travelling is achieved, at worse you get a very restful and deep sleep.

    The state of consciousness at death is important to an initiate, or to anyone if you understand, or believe, that there are many states of consciousness to traverse in, and many layers and levels in spiritual worlds.  A person who has spent hours and hours, days and days meditating will have had experiences of different realms.  It's not fanciful, it's experiential.  Cognizing different states takes discipline and careful discernment.

    The Soul, or the lower mind can be a cesspool of horrid spaces, it can also be filled with beautiful and peaceful states.  It is understood that at the time of death it pays to be in a good state of mind as it helps during the afterlife wanderings.  The mind or Soul is a consciousness.  The body is an organic receptacle for this consciousness.  The body rots, the mind is what continues.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Fascinating jewel. yes I have traveled myself. I have also spent some time in dream therapy (6 years) with a Jungian shrink who was fantastic.The hardest discipline I have found is not in finding conscious states, but in looking at the self consciously.It is terrifying to look at the self!
      I believe in the process of individuation and so travel a long and difficult road willingly, the religiosity of my soul employed on this task, and not in the pursuit of religious entities. I am happy.

      1. Jewels profile image81
        Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It is the hardest road anyone will travel.  I found this verse 2 years into commencing that "individualisation" and owning the good bad and ugly of my own cesspool.
        "An honest introspection, the exquisitely painful approach to Wisdom, Self-scrutiny,
        relentless observance of one's thoughts, is a stark and shattering experience.

        It pulverises the stoutest ego. But true self-analysis mathematically operates to produce seers. The way of 'Self-expression', individual acknowledgments, results in egotists, sure of the right to their private interpretations of God and the Universe.

        Man can understand no eternal verity until he has freed himself from pretensions. The human mind, bared to a centuried slime, is teeming with the repulsive life of countless world-delusions.

        Struggles of the battlefield pale into insignificance here, when man first contends with inner enemies!"

        (Autobiography of a Yogi)

        This gave me strength and hope, knowing I was on the road less travelled and this was an acknowledgment of how it felt being on it.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I think you are very smart to consider the self as the source of your power. it is all within us, and one day soon science is going to lift a few lids off the psych and allow us to look deeper within ourselves.

  5. Jewels profile image81
    Jewelsposted 7 years ago

    The willingness for introspection is paramount (my belief and understanding) to happiness.  Spewing proverbs has nothing behind it and introspection and ownership and the pursuit of truth seems to be the one major element missing for many on a journey back to the 'God' in each of us.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      beautifully put jewel.

    2. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ramen.

  6. Jewels profile image81
    Jewelsposted 7 years ago

    Nice of you to say that earnest.  Sometimes I feel very weak sloshing through the mud. Owning my good bits seems to be harder than owning the bad!  Go figure.  But I know it's the right road for me.

  7. Jewels profile image81
    Jewelsposted 7 years ago

    That looks like a wide deviation from the question. mohitmisra I'm confused at the point you are trying to make in answer to ernest's question.

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Mother Earth can be equated with God.
      Science is also saying that now we will witness floods and other catastrophe simply because we are not doing the right thing.We have been raping this planet and will have to face the consequences of our actions.
      Put up a quote and I will try and explain  its meaning.

      1. apeksha profile image59
        apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Jewel he is tring 2 tell u about power on earth..as u say god ..
        there is a power who controls floods , wind directions etc...
        nothing else

      2. Jewels profile image81
        Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I wasn't asking a question. Your responses are quite nebulous (Neptunian in astrology language) it must be the poet in you and not the teacher!

        1. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Poets are the teachers and like Guru Nanak said you need to be in a similar vibration in order to understand me.

          The question was threats in the holy books written thousands of years back about floods and other calamities.Today man is beginning to perceive that these threats are not imaginative but a reality.This earth is alive with the essence of god and there is a limit to her tolerance.
          Again I repeat we are in the dimension of hell ,a dimension of pain where no one is spared ,not the emperor and neither the sage.

          You cannot take some things literally in  spirituality or you loose the meaning.

          1. Jewels profile image81
            Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            As a teacher, using your poetry may not be passing a great deal. I'm not sure what your level is and I'm not being lured to go there which one would assume would happen if it is passed from the heart.  I am very aware that words to describe spiritual spaces are extremely limiting and much is lost in translation because of our limiting language.  There is a body of work by Dr Samuel Sagan called A Language to Map Consciousness.  The man is fluent in Sanskrit and passes quite well the meaning of states.  However, speaking and quoting Sanskrit does not help a Christian because it's like speaking French to Zulus.  So if you make a statement in Sanskrit, perhaps further explanation of its meaning would help readers, who may or may not bother to google it.

            Teachers often pass knowledge through myths and not through poetry.  Poetry is often a personal meaning to something personal and much can be lost in translation because trying to get into an artists mind is sometimes undesirable.  Often passing teachings through poetry doesn't pass anything except a troubled emotional mind.  It is something to be aware of if you are trying to pass a belief you have.

            1. mohitmisra profile image60
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ranked over editions of the Holy Bible  and Holy Quran if I am not a messenger of God or a teacher of the spirit then neither was Jesus or Mohammad.There is no one on this planet right now more qualified than me where it concerns God and its high time you undertsood.

              A poetry book on God is considerd a mental excercise of the highest order possible and carried out only by the enlightened ones.The most condensed form of philosophy where the job of the poet is to think highly and express himself for the commmon man.He becomes a vehicle for God and thats when poetry happens.

              The Bible to the Quran to the Bhagwat Gita to the Holy Guru Granth Sahib are considered as poetry. The first recorded prophet Zaratushtra as well the the last ,Guru Nank were both spiritual poets.Poets are the prophets.

              1. Jewels profile image81
                Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Wow, so it's high time I understood you to be THE MOST QUALIFIED person on this planet to speak words from God. You didn't put a smiley after that statement so I'm guessing you are serious!

                That is the most pompous statement I've heard in a long time. It borders delusional.  Like you say in your own words - souls and spirits can get confusing, they sure can.  But goodluck with your perceptions. smile

                1. mohamedhmm profile image59
                  mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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                  i just must agree with you in this; some souls get so confused to be bad souls; and this is approve my theory about bad soul; and good soul; so every bad soul should pay soon for its ignorance for the  divine power and the main purpose and the reason for its existence...

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You are the authority on god? LMAO! Arrogance personified.I think even the god-botherers will leave this rancid post now!

  8. mohamedhmm profile image59
    mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago

    The prophet "moses" talked to GOD; and the last prophet of this nation "Muhammad" did saw God in His kingdom and Talked to him; and this is one miracle did happened to Him and mentioned in Koran and God swear by it it's real meeting with God; and it's a great meeting for Islam as God gave the prophet Muhammad the five prayer....and you could read more about it if you like; and there are many lessons you could learn from it...
    God near from us, and we could see his power in our life; and we will meet him and see him more clear for us than the sun in the sky...

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Naming gods could take all day. The religious myth you follow is harder to swallow than you are likely to see. All your thinking is filtered through your basic fundamentalist belief in the tooth fairy.

      1. mohamedhmm profile image59
        mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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        my brother; it's the light without a doubt; it's same light from Adam- our father- ,.., to Moses, Jesus, and the last prophet Muhammad.
        and all of this clear; just open your heart and read God books.
        And God Guide us to his way; and i wish our soul happy here and after

    2. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      All the prophets have made contact with God.Its after the contact they start spreading the word that god, the Light exists and it is pure love with no beginning and no end. smile
      The Prophet Mohammad was very confused initially,that is after seeing the Light  which is normal.

  9. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I understand the science as god argument, and it is not a satisfactory one to me.The beginning is just that. I know no more than you about that, except that the time span is a lot different to any religious tomes, and precedes the written word by about 30 billion years.

    I still do not understand how you separate threats made by god or by by men in the bible and Quoran or even why it would matter. Are the threats only threats when they come from the prophets? What about threats made in the new testament, or threats against homosexuals as another example.

    What about the neurosis of demanding to be worshiped on fear of death? Or the threats made against non believers.What purpose could such a god serve? I know no humans who respond well to threats, why deify an entity that makes these type of low brow appeals?

    1. Sufidreamer profile image80
      Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      With you on that one - whilst I believe in a God, I tend to see it as an impersonal universal force rather than some anthropomorphic deity prone to hissy fits and a little genocide. http://www.bbc.co.uk/606/2/refresh/images/smileys/f_monster.gif

      1. aka-dj profile image79
        aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What IS such a "force" like? I hear this from a lot of people, but have difficulty conceptualizing it.

        1. Sufidreamer profile image80
          Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Conceptualizing is difficult - if I could do that, I would probably be living in a cave somewhere.

          Turning it around, I believe that imbuing 'God' with human characteristics and emotions is overly simplistic. I am often reluctant to use the term 'God,' because it has too many connotations of an old guy with a beard smile

          1. aka-dj profile image79
            aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Old guy with a beard, huh? Must have been one of those religious painters who painted "his personal imaginary invisible being" that he just made up. (I am trying to use common HP terminology here).
            I see Him no more like that than angels as little fat babies with harps, or bows and arrows. hmm

            1. Paraglider profile image88
              Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Now now - these are the Cherubim. Everyone knows that! wink Angels look like the young Bardot with swan-wings attached...

              1. apeksha profile image59
                apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Soul--- angels---from subject religion..whats this...
                Have you ever any angel with your own eyes?

            2. Sufidreamer profile image80
              Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol - that one was a little tongue in cheek wink

              Seriously though, Pam and Jewels put it far better than I could ever hope to. Creative expression was never my strongest talent sad

              I have trouble accepting that 'God' has a personality, as depicted in the old testament. Of course, we all see things differently - just my personal take on the matter.

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            pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I like the metaphor of God as light imbued with infinite intelligence and love.

            I've thought about this a lot actually, because sometimes you can actually see 'light' in people's eyes and around their faces. (I can, anyway, and other people have seen this too.) Religious iconography represents this as a halo. So it's not just Pam popping off about New Age crapola, it's a phenomenon of some sort--psychological perhaps, I just don't know.

            But here's the weird thing: (as if what I'm already saying here isn't weird enough) Really evil people sometimes ALSO have the quality of bright light emanating from their eyes or faces. Charles Manson is a good example of a person like that. He's positively luminous, but not in a good way.

            I have no answers. Just wacko observations. smile

            1. aka-dj profile image79
              aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Just on that thought (light), have you ever seen a dead body? They look the "same" as before, (alive I mean), but there is a very different colour to them. It's like there was a "light" eminating from them before they died, and then it's gone. hmm

      2. Jewels profile image81
        Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I am with you there.

    2. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      These threats try and wake up man from his leep or dream like state.

  10. Jewels profile image81
    Jewelsposted 7 years ago

    I never see God as a guy with a beard.  I've been posting to a hub "Who is God" and my reason for posting is because by saying WHO is making God personal.  A force for me is much easier to conceptualize, though difficult to put into adjectives. 

    The force is what fuel's me.  The force is what gets me out of bed.  The force is what I FEEL.  It is tangible, but more tangible when I am in my truth than succumbing to emotional turmoil.

    The force doesn't judge. It just IS.

    When I consciously use the force I am beautiful and feel like I'm in love. It is a transpersonal love, not the limiting human kind.  I love pizza is not the same as this love!

    The force is hot, it's vibrant, it's buoyant, it's intense, it burns if I can't hold it.

    The force does not have arms and legs, but when I see someone using the force I see beyond their arms and legs.

    These are a few limiting descriptions of something enormous and I've not done justice to it.

  11. mohamedhmm profile image59
    mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago





    And the spirit could use to express the level of the soul as high or low; so, spirit used mostly as description for the soul.

    example:

    we say high spirit for any good soul;  and you could see the person active and happy.

    and we say" low spirit" when the soul is bad; and you could see the person feel down and lazy; and so on.



    1. Jewels profile image81
      Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The ideal is to come from the standpoint of the spirit, to be more 'divine' in our dealings with all.  The 'Road Less Travelled" is for those who deal with their crap - or the fallen corruptness of their soul.  We are all essentially looking for our spirit - that which is not fallen and that which is pure love and the Force and the FSM.

      1. mohamedhmm profile image59
        mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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        let's go with you:
        just answer these questions?
        when you could reincarnate again? before death or after death?
        what's the purpose of reincarnation?
        what's the divine power?
        ans how the spirit is divine?
        does the spirit or the soul exist in our life or not?
        within your reincanation belief, is any difference between good people and bad people; or all people same?



  12. Jewels profile image81
    Jewelsposted 7 years ago

    The 'punishment' is not literal. In effect means you reincarnate again to transform.  Judgment is a reflective process. That which is not pure or as pure as the Force, is a 'fallen' or lesser standpoint, or state of consciousness.
    Saying the "real incarnation" is somewhat arrogant.  It matters not what I say or you say, it matters what people experience.

    Not a great deal makes sense from the lower state of consciousness, that's why we have these forums! smile

  13. Colebabie profile image59
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    If you're bad, you come back as a dung beetle smile

    1. mohamedhmm profile image59
      mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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      what do you know about soul?

    2. cheaptrick profile image64
      cheaptrickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      dung beetles are'nt so bad,my best friend is a dung beetle...peace...feed your head...

  14. Jewels profile image81
    Jewelsposted 7 years ago

    Mohamedhmm said
    et's go with you:
    just answer these questions?
    when you could reincarnate again? before death or after death?

    You have question marks where there is no question. I assume they are questions to yourself?

    Mohamedhmm asked: what's the purpose of reincarnation?
    I can't answer the why? No-one has that answer.
    But the mechanism bodes with the transformation and a return to the Source.


    You asked: what's the divine power?

    I answered this in another forum - please refer to page 4 of this thread.

    This divineness is in us all.  It's a State, a state of Being.  It is not something that is DONE to us, it is something we aspire to re-discover within us.


    You asked: ans how the spirit is divine?

    the spirit is a direct emanation from the Force/Source/FSM. It is the unfallen substance that is 'I AM'

    You asked: does the spirit or the soul exist in our life or not?

    Yes, the spirit is within us.  It appears to remain dormant until our consciousness acknowledges our existence.  This is knowledge in it's truest form.  Not learned information, but that which is an experience.
    The Soul - of course.  If you didn't have a soul we would not be having this conversation.


    You asked: within your reincanation belief, is any difference between good people and bad people; or all people same?

    As I mentioned before there is a positive and negative polarity to the Astral Body - or Soul.  Within everyone is Spirit. People are not the same.  People react differently to their environment.  There would be only one way to make the statement "All people are the same" and that's a much higher standpoint than this one we are having this conversation from.

    My parents are different to yours, my social upbringing was different from yours, my geographical landscape is different to yours, I most likely eat differently to you.  My responses/reactions are different to you.  Everyone experiences the same emotions, but they are triggered by different circumstances and react or respond differently.

    1. cheaptrick profile image64
      cheaptrickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      we have six billion people on this planet pointing at the same god,source,devineness or what ever word you like.why are we debating instead of encouraging?a deli lahma said"men are like rivers,they start at the same place and end at the same place but all take different paths".good life on your journey...peace...feed your head...

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        We have a lot of the world living on a six thousand year old planet worshiping an invisible friend who will kill them if they do not agree with him/it too!

        1. Jewels profile image81
          Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          We certainly do, which shows how far we have fallen from a state of Grace.  The corruptible soul is in need of huge resuscitation.  We are doing a terrible job at transformation.  And the church's have not helped.  We are more separate now than ever before.  This is a sad thing in my book.  But I can't transform anyone but myself.  As you yourself have understood in your own life experiences, self introspection is paramount however that comes about.  If we keep looking outward for something or someone to fix our terrible behavior, our corrupted souls, we will stay this way and decay further. We can only save ourselves.  We were given freewill for this very purpose.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The answer lies within us as does any idea of god. Religiosity of soul, a bit that needs a lot more of my time. Like you, I am taking responsibility for my soul.

            1. Jewels profile image81
              Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Absolutely, we're on the same page.

              The soul is the psyche.  Isn't it amazing we have more psychologists and psychiatrists than ever before!

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yes it is. I wish our government would provide more psych help for prisoners. Many are incarcerated with obvious mental illness in my country despite our modern democracy.

                1. Jewels profile image81
                  Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I agree with this ernestshub.  I really would like to see meditation and similar available in the prison system.  And before anyone thinks this is the soft way, it is far from it.  IN the beginning, meditation is one of the most uncomfortable experiences one can have.  I'm not talking relaxation, I'm talking the real deal.  Self retrospection can be a horrid experience.  It is the road less travelled.

              2. cheaptrick profile image64
                cheaptrickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                did you read the original version of the hebrew bible in the greek?psyche is the exact translation of soul.we all understand that words evolve in meaning.a hundred years ago a fagot was a bundle of sticks for starting a fire.it has evolved to the abusive meaning it has today,how much more will it evolve in a thousand or two or three thousand years.my point is,if we want to really understand the ancients we must understand the original meaning and context of there words,then they will be perfectly clear.in the mean time we have television evangelists to guide us,thank god lol...peace...

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                  Writer Riderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry, don't buy a thing the evangelists say. To me they are so dogmatic, they'll lead their people in the unintended direction. Just my opinion...you have yours.

            2. cheaptrick profile image64
              cheaptrickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              if we look at the progression of spirituality on a continuam its clear that the earth its self is in the process of becoming concious,an entity, a being,in the throws of birth.the contribution of each healthy soul adds to the wholeness or "holyness" of this being.it is arrogant to assume we live our silly eighty years then take a quantum leap to the highest level lol.i prefer to see this planet as an amusment park.quantum mecanics has taught me its ninty percent space anyway,so you see we are not really hear in a physical sense,its just an illusion lol...peace...

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I have to agree with this. I often say to friends "It's your myth, you live it."

  15. Colebabie profile image59
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    what do you know about humor?

    1. mohamedhmm profile image59
      mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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      you could learn me?

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Freddy the frog could teach you.

        1. mohamedhmm profile image59
          mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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          sir; this is not acceptable at all
          if you do not respect the rules; i will report you..
          you are welcome within the rules and respect
          there are rules; and if you do not know ; ask and we will let you know...
          i hope it's clear

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Nothing I have said is reportable unless you have mis-construed something.
            On the other hand maybe being homophobic is against the rules? By the way writing in red may also be against the rules, it is certainly rude in this context.

        2. mohamedhmm profile image59
          mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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          may be we do not agree with each others but she had good points;
          and i wish you have same as her; it's about opinion, and ideas ..
          please if you do not have nothing to add; do not bother

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You offer no opinion, just dogma.

            1. Jewels profile image81
              Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I think the response was in regard to the humor and not my info on the soul.

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Oh I see, thank you.

  16. cheaptrick profile image64
    cheaptrickposted 7 years ago

    in the book of mary magdalin she asks christ where visions come from,his reply..."you have your spirit and you have your soul,between the two is the mind,there lies the treasure".i suspect the spirit is eternal,a sliver of the true unknowable god.the soul is shaped by the mind.the mind is directed by free will.if the soul is whole or"holy" at death it continues on,if not it is recycled.to be whole in the truest sense we must expierience all things but be mastered by none,that would be a sin because it keeps us from our purpose of building our souls...peace...feed your head...

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't have too much trouble with this idea, but to me, sin implies something I do not believe in. To sin, one needs to recognize sin. I do not.

      1. cheaptrick profile image64
        cheaptrickposted 7 years ago in reply to this
        1. cheaptrick profile image64
          cheaptrickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          in my opinion sin is anything that draws us away from the task at hand which is soul building,that is why meditation and contemplation are so important.they help the mind shed the influences of the physical plane so we can enter into understanding as a state of mind without a subject.for me this allows an opening to connect with the collective uncontious mind and inductive thinking.in other words"the kingdom of heaven is within you"...peace...

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            OK that sounds fair enough.I have trouble with the word "sin" when it implies something else, which is in pretty common useage on this forum.

            1. Jewels profile image81
              Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Nice.

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            Writer Riderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I agree with this.

    2. Jewels profile image81
      Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I like the way this is phrased.  You quote "we must experience all things but be mastered by none."  This is a reference to awareness and awakening. Mastery is transformation where you are not caught in the cycle of death and rebirth because of ignorance.  All reactions and responses are conscious and by choice.  But the ability to have freewill is to see clearly whether you are entwined by the will of others, unconsciously and subconsciously.  Asking questions like: "am I doing this because of guilt?" or "am I doing this because I am being told to?" are paramount to understanding freewill.  If your truth is tainted by responsibility, or fear, or driven by revenge, or any reasons of grandeur, it is not really freewill.

      Integrity is the center line where the spirit is our truth.  Our highest achievement as a human species would be to have mastery of our soul and lead by the spirit, which is the emanation of the essence/the Force/the FSM.  Nothing but our spirit should lead us.

  17. DennisBarker profile image60
    DennisBarkerposted 7 years ago

    I've just caught up with part of the discussion on the soul.

    I have a personal perspective on this topic which I may elaborate on later but for now I wanted to mention a talk which I attended in London a few years ago by Peter Fenwick who is a researcher into near death experiences. His research is ongoing and may shed some light on the topic as it is now being repeated by others on a global level.

    As I remember it the research involves hiding an object in an operating room and asking anyone who claims to have had out of body experiences to describe the position and form of what they saw / experienced whilst out of body.

    I may add a hub on out of body experiences to my list of things to write about as I have had several in different contexts over the years.

    If it is possible to "prove" scientifically with rigorous research that the human consciousness is capable of leaving the physical body and returning then this would be a positive step in my view towards developing a different model of how the personal development of consciousness influences events.

    Personal development of consciousness being my long winded way of saying soul development or emotional and intellectual development as it effects relationships between people, governments and empires.

    1. Jewels profile image81
      Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'd love to read your hub on this subject so will watch out for it.  Feel free to nudge me when it's done, I'll add you shortly.

      Letting you know there is a massive body of work both published and more in progress at the moment by Dr Samuel Sagan on all things to do with consciousness.  Includes Death The Great Journey which I recommend to anyone who wants to get a better grasp on non-physical realms.  The body of work encompasses more than OBE's, pre death, post death. http://www.clairvision.org/ckb/ckbe/ckb … _0143.html

      My first body of knowledge of this subject was through Robert Monroe's books. It's a fascinating and interesting subject.

  18. Jewels profile image81
    Jewelsposted 7 years ago

    Cheaptrick, I'm not into the evangelical thing either.  Learn from your own experience. This is where truth and real knowledge come from.  See for yourself, Know for yourself, it's so much more satisfying.

  19. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago

    The Soul is the current "big frontier"! big_smile  There is so much to the soul/Soul that has not been understood by so many on the planet. It is our responsibility to seek that understanding more finitely and infinitely.

    It is an exciting time to be alive and seeking, but can also be perceived as a perilous time if not seeking that greater understanding of the S/soul as Self.

    I believe Spirit animates Soul. It's not like there is difference, but more like hierarchy, in that Spirit is the All of Source and Soul is the individuation of All in manifestation, each Soul/soul uniquely endowed with the accumulations of her own choices throughout time and space.

  20. Jewels profile image81
    Jewelsposted 7 years ago

    It was a shocking and quite naive statement to make.  And it's a dangerous state of mind to be in.  Cult leaders spew these words and whilst I am not insinuating he is a cult leader, you can see the arrogant and authoritarian flavor to the words.

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are the one giving attitude I have told you before super conscious experience is not the same as God experience.You are not qualified to speak about something you don't know .

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I thought jewel was replying to mahamedhmm

        1. Jewels profile image81
          Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I was smile

      2. Jewels profile image81
        Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Mohitmisra, you have no idea who you are talking to.  You assume way too much here and I find your patronizing attitude extremely condescending. You do not pass yourself energetically as an enlightened man, and your assumptions convince me that you are not.  But that is just my opinion on observing you and your responses over many months.  I was willing to hold my tongue and let you be as you wish to be, it is not my job to change you.  But you overstepped the mark with your insult.  You my fellow human being are the one with attitude.

        1. Misha profile image74
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It is not just your opinion - most people here don't give a damn about Mo's self claimed enlightenment - cause it is obviously not there smile

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Misha, every now and then Bang right on the money!Sometimes I know English is irksome for you, but your ability to think is not impaired!

            1. mohitmisra profile image60
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Have proved it with my work which you so conveniently tend to overlook. Write get ranked over Holy Bibles and Holy Qurans and I will understand you are enlightened .

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No one here is claiming to be enlightened except you and mohamedhmm.

                1. mohitmisra profile image60
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I am and have proved it with my work. How can someone not enlightened write spirituality and god and get ranked so highly?

                  1. Jewels profile image81
                    Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You've proved nothing. Perhaps you have a good publicity team.

                  2. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Maybe because enough people are aware that elaborate stories about a megalomaniac god told by you do not weigh as much as you believe, stuck as you are in your religious piety.

          2. Jewels profile image81
            Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hi Misha, nice to see you.  I thought that was the case but I didn't want to assume.

        2. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Your philosophy is twisted and you need to iron it out. You tell a person ranked over Bibles and Qurans that poets are not teachers of the spirit, wow who is condescending.The truth is yo haven't come across the light and so shouldn't behave like a master or rather grand master.

          1. Jewels profile image81
            Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Again you are full of it.  As I said, you do not know me.  It is because I have experienced much that I can clearly see you are not coming from those spaces.  It is by contrast that I can see what you are not.  I have never FELT anything coming from the words you speak.  They are stilted and don't pass anything.  Do you understand what passing a space is in writing?  Do you know how to convey the feeling of compassion, empathy or love through words. Understand it is not the words that matter, but the meaning and feeling behind them that touches people.  Which is why I addressed the Teacher v Poet.

            My philosophy is twisted because of your standpoint, not because I am less intelligent or had less experience, (which I'm coming to see could be more.)  You rate yourself over the amount of books you have sold?  That is only a commercial standpoint and is not the true measure of a human.

            1. mohitmisra profile image60
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I haven't sold more copies than the Holy Bible or Holy Quran,that will take time and god willing it will happen.If you were ranked over them I would not give you any attitude.

              1. Jewels profile image81
                Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You are missing the point totally.  You measure your enlightened state on the sale of your book.  Keep meditating human being, you're missing some key points smile

                1. mohitmisra profile image60
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You are twisted.

                  1. Jewels profile image81
                    Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I almost am gasping in disbelief that you cannot see this.  The only reply you can give is "You are twisted." mohitmisra, I seriously wish you no harm, I can't pass that enough.  There is no sarcasm meant by what I am saying.  I am aghast that you stand up and say you are an enlightened man but cannot see that your measuring stick is a commercial status.

  21. mohamedhmm profile image59
    mohamedhmmposted 7 years ago

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    at all i will answer you:
    you could lose weight by following Islamic system in eating and drinking; and also you should to fast like Muslims; it is very good to lose weight if you could follow it; but Muslims follow it by faith and for God and that's the difference...


  22. mohitmisra profile image60
    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago

    Dont have a choice smile Neither of us, never wanted to get enlightened or become a poet, very, very ,very difficult job.

    1. agvulpes profile image88
      agvulpesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe there is a message in that. Most gods appear to have a natural talent in their chosen vocation.

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I get angry so often and I ask why me?
        He says patience is needed in order to see.

        Took me years to come to terms with myself. smile

        1. agvulpes profile image88
          agvulpesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I think you might be only fooling yourself if you believe that you have come to terms with yourself. Your comments seem to indicate self doubt and insecurity.

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            This was written years back. smile the prophet Mohammad and all the other prophets faced this confusion, its normal. smile

            1. agvulpes profile image88
              agvulpesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              OK So now that we have established the fact that you consider yourself the New Prophet , can we expect to see a service being offered to we poor non-believers for a dial-in service to get a "Prophecy a Day".

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I share the knowledge I have ,some like it some do not. smile I was an atheist so I have nothing against non believers.

    2. agvulpes profile image88
      agvulpesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So now there are two of you. This gets better by the minute .

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile  big_smile  big_smile  us meaning you and me smile

        1. agvulpes profile image88
          agvulpesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So now the two of you are starting up a stand-up comedy routine, you could rival the greats. Laural and Hardy, Martin and Lewis, Charlie McArthy !!!!   roll

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So you going to be Laural or Hardy? By the way I liked Melbourne, been there a few times. smile

            1. agvulpes profile image88
              agvulpesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Gee I'm sorry I missed the Fan fare. I must have been away that minute.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Humour is always welcome.God has as superb sense of humour  smile
                The spell check here is the American English and not English- English.Was wondering why the humour had a  read line beneath it.

                1. agvulpes profile image88
                  agvulpesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  What, are you the straight man.?
                  When do you get to say something funny. Oh yes I forgot, you have already haven't you !

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    This what I am saying you have to take attitude from many people once you get enlightened as its a strange world.All the prophets faced this even though they were being nice.I will add a cruel world as well.

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    prince1244posted 7 years ago

    I am doing some soul searching, have not quit gotten there yet

  24. cheaptrick profile image64
    cheaptrickposted 7 years ago

    why do most people refer to god as "he".the deity of all religions is cast as the dominant sex in that society.god and jesus were men because it was a patriarcal society.if they had been woman no one would have listened to them,look at what happened to mary magdalin.its so importent to find original definition and context when studying the ancients.i believe god is because of a proponderence of indicaters in sciences like math and physics.these are renforced by phylosophy and objective theology.in my opinion anything written by man contains the distortions of that persons mind no matter how hard they try to be objective.in physics we say"observation changes the observed".as long as perception is used to apprehend truths of any sort we must hold them all suspect.if it was'nt for jimmy swagert i'd still be confused,he taught me how to frequent prostitutes and then get followers to finance it lol lol lol .thank god for the television evangelists lol lol lol...peace...

  25. its_the_skittle_e profile image76
    its_the_skittle_eposted 7 years ago

    When we die our soul doesn't. While our bodies rot in a fancy box underground or burn in a fire, our soul is being reincarnated.

    Depending on how much we have learned in our life our souls progress.

    If we didn't learn anything in this life then we would be put in the same situations in our next life until we learn what we need to progress onwards.

    This is what I was grown up to believe.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That is a nice belief, but how does it cater for those who are illiterate? Surely their soul should not be punished for not knowing about your beliefs?

      1. Jewels profile image81
        Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Not about punishment really. About experiences.  We judge down here from our little minds.  We think from a limited box that an illiterate, or disadvantaged person (covers the whole gammit), is somehow not having a soul experience, or has no 'control' over their experience down here, or is unable from our standpoint to evolve or transform.  Our perception of right and wrong, advantaged or disadvantaged is limited.  Not everything is as it seems to be, particularly in non-physical states.

      2. its_the_skittle_e profile image76
        its_the_skittle_eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        This is an interesting question and I think I should bring it up in a paper I am writing about Life After Death it's for my Senior seminar project thank you.

        1. Jewels profile image81
          Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          There is allot of work being done on this.  There is a book called Death the Great Journey that may help you.

          1. its_the_skittle_e profile image76
            its_the_skittle_eposted 7 years ago in reply to this
        2. mohitmisra profile image60
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Have you read books by Dr.Brian Weiss? He talks about his patients and their death experiences.I had this experience in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, died became one with the light, became the cosmos.Where there is no beginning and no end, timeless state of supreme bliss  Then the moment I thought of myself I was back. smile

    2. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This is true , this earth is like a school for our souls and the main lesson is love.smile

 
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