Does religion serve a greater purpose than just service to whichever god I choose to worship?
There is clearly a social function to the boundaries that religions impose on their followers and these boundaries may have more merit outside of the religious context than within it.
What I am groping for here is a way to analyse the social effects of changing boundaries as religions develop and mutate with time.
I plan to develop this post at a later date but the thought just occoured to me. Does anyone here have a system for analysis of the social impact of religious rules?
Reading,reading and more reading, as well as interactions with people in the flesh and not just online. And to do so mainly interacting with the greatest diversity of peoples is the only way to understand the social impact of religions. All too often decisions, opinions and determinations for action are based on too few perspectives and stated as fact instead of realizing it is just another perspective of the infinite perspectives available.
Like when someone says "all Americans believe in freedom". Do all Americans think freedom means to do as they please, or that freedom has boundaries,or that freedom has human implications as well as spiritual implications?
What if you have no specific god? My sense of deity is amorphous and ever-changing...
Not necessarily. Only if you allow external boundaries to impinge upon you.
Consider the internal effects of subjective boundaries.
Instinct and my own intrinsic bullshit detector...
Edit: GREAT OP btw!
To me the focus should move away from religion and more to God. Religion is created by man, but grace is given by God as is love.
Beside "religion" has become just a corrupt as the world is, now I admit there are still a few churches, not religions, that do put God first and not their religion, but these are getting fewer and fewer.
We need to find the place that worships God and not man's religion.
Good questions Dennis. Is this for a school project or a survey that you are performing? Anyway I will try to elaborate to the best of my ability.
1) Does religion mean providing "service" to a certain God?
Further the word service can be broken down to mean either(and/or) practicing alone or doing good deeds as prescribed or trying to get more followers.
In my view those who do good deeds are ok and those who practice alone are ok too.
2) What about social function and boundaries?
Well we have had religions right from Egypt to South America. But if we limit ourselves to the present day living practicing religions then there are two focal points i.e., one arising in and out of Jerusalem(where Judaism, Christianity and Islam) originated and the other in and around India(where Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism) originated hence the beliefs originating out of those areas are similar.
3) Are there social effects of religion and do they change with time?
Yes certainly there are social effects which can be seen right from the birth, marriage and death in the way those ceremonies are performed. And certainly they change with time since societies are always in a state of flux.
Finally I would say that there are good people in any religion and no religion. And if you ask me about the purpose of religion I would say it is a guide for us to improve ourselves. And for that matter even atheists who might have internalized moral principles are also improving themselves. Each person is bound to take a journey that suits him or her best. But our freedom to believe ends where the other persons nose begins. Lots of times I have seen when ones beliefs are thrusted on others as "facts" then it creates uncomfortable situations.
But sadly there have been times in history(and even now) where religion is (mis)used by certain people to gain power? Finally in my view if we keep an open mind and keep revisiting our own beliefs then it isn't a sign of weakness but on the contrary liberating. Sometimes when there are gaps in our understanding then if we fill those gaps conveniently with our own perceptions than that could be a incomplete "truth". If we already have a preconceived belief and then specifically seeking for "information" that is subscribing/agreeing to our beliefs would be a very unfortunate and limited usage of the infinite capacity of the human mind. WOW!! That was a long post. Hope it was helpful to you.
I don't follow any rules except those rules I have set out.
I believe the establishment of religions are based on a need to belong and a desire for inner peace, and in most cases revenge. This desire changes based on the individuals ability to forgive. In most cases this inconsistency in quite useless thereby making religion itself useless and perhaps a hinderence to personal spiritual growth. Religion is different from spirituality however, in our quest for control we have exchanged spiritually for religion, or religious beliefs which are often times traditional in nature.
God never established religion and nor did Jesus the Christ. Religions formed from a misunderstanding of the written word and have remained in this state of confusion for centuries. Therefore, in my opinion, religion is as useless as a a car wituout a engine. Becaue of religions lack of a solid biblical foundation it consistently change from generation to generation.
wow great question Dennis, and you may have to do your own homework on this one! lol. I don't have a system as such but would like to comment.
Here's what I understand:
Religion doesn't serve a purpose for whichever god/God we choose. Religion provides a structure for an individuals life. Whether we follow or not doesn't affect God one way or the other. Sure we can attract assistance etc but what I'm trying to say is the things we do or don't do don't do not directly have an effect on Him - if that's what you were asking.
The purpose of religion is to gain knowledge of our Creator. He made a covenant that He would never leave us alone, so He sends us guidance and teachings which become religions each in its own time, for a specific purpose, and addressed for the needs of each particular time that it appeared in. One of the purposes of religion ultimately as I understand it is to provide quidelines for our growth and development which will serve us in the next world sort of like reaping what we sow...
The merit of the boundaries are not only for ourselves but also for others. Firstly, as we strive through overcoming and meeting daily struggles, we develop virtues and qualities of character that ennoble us. And because we live in communities - online, whatever, we can be of service to others and show these qualities to our neighbours (the ones of course that give us the most grief are the ones that test us the most:)
And yes, religions are progressive in nature. The spiritual teachings are the same, eg showing love, trustworthiness, but the social teachings change as we advance as a society/planet. An eye for an eye is an example of a social teaching which we don't use anymore as we now have judicial systems and courts. Also the use of the right hand to eat was taught during a time when hygiene was not well understood. Today, as Baha'is, we're taught that the time for Unity of the planet is now. (It wouldn't have been relevant before as the idea that the world is a 'small' place and connected would have been completely foreign).
To my mind religions are used as control systems and personally I don't need any religion just like John Lennon said in his song "Imagine no religion..."
I speak as a person who in my younger years have been involved with many pathways including Jehovah's Witnesses, Hare Krishnas and Scientology.
I also note that we are the only animal that has religions and gods and goddesses and that humans do not appear to have benefited from this judging by the insanity of the world today. I further note that all the worshipping and praying to these gods achieves very poor results and yet the believers keep on with their beliefs!
I believe in the freedom of people to believe as they wish but personally I would prefer a world with no religions!
Well spoke oh barded one!I agree with you, but only 100%
Very good point, Bard. Personally I'm still on my journey of self-discovery so it's difficult to cast everything away that I've learned as a way of life just yet (though I don't like programming). Of course I've discovered new things that I can't discount either and I'm pretty disillusioned with the way members of the church conducted themselves. Pretty confusing...I hope to reach your level of clarity someday.
I further note that all the worshipping and praying to these gods achieves very poor results and yet the believers keep on with their beliefs!
How are you able to judge all worshipping and praying and come up with poor results ,for instance
Do you know what I pray for ? Did you see Gods answer?
I can beleive in God or I can believe in Nothing
I dont have enough faith to beleive in Nothing but Ive seen the evidence for Christ.
Great question , seems people are seeking than ever before.
Bird of Ely: I also think of that song and imagine no religion. I think that would be great. I also have been involved with a number of different religions gaining perspective. Understanding, ,not God because that is personal, but what draws them to their believes in what these books say.
I think it is unfair to base the whole dynamics of the world religions because of what others did. Like SJ said. We all find our way somehow but it's not right to group the whole lot into one bunch as defined by some very shallow understanding of 'religion'. Because there is a human in there, you just have to find them.
Though I do think it is pretty shallow of people to perpetuate the circumstances of religions based on things they or we don't really understand. Like, we know that most people have not read the Bible, but say they know it, which is very different from someone who has studied much more like Mike perhaps where for him it is not about blind faith.
It's also about learning. Or for SJ who has found a deeper connection to things through understanding for herself and her personal connection and need for God.
Yeah, I wish there were no religion and we could all be one big group of happy people ready to help and love each other but at the same time, just like most people...
People feel the need to identify with others of similar beliefs, likes etc... If people want to believe in God, then believe in God, if you don't want to, then don't. But neither should feel hurt from the other that does or doesn't.
There is only a small handful of people who are actually just plain mean and inconsiderate of others beliefs and the majority are good, kind and loving people.
It's like saying the government actually represents what the people really think. I know they don't represent what I think and most religions don't represent what I think but I like to study, listen, learn and feel comfortable in understanding rather then saying all religion is bad.
After all a life without any sort of rule would be a human free for all with no reprimand for things like murder and stuff. Everything would then just be okay to do no matter what.
And while I know I would be just fine with billions of other people who are naturally good and wouldn't do such things, there is also the others that natrually just don't care or have no self control.
There is a great different between religion and spirituality. While religion seems like a control system spirituality has none of that. So while i am spiritual, i might not be religious
I follow the same line highlight by Aragon5000. I was brought up with religion and as a child loved the rituals. As I grew, religion did not answer my questions and I eventually found spirituality. I think direct experience of oneness through breathing/meditation techniques has been my answer. I find that religion leads to great disputes, I find contradictions. But I also agree with Karl Marx's quote that says that organized religion is nothing but an opiate for the masses. If it works for others, that is fine with me. I just do not appreciate being told that I am wrong to believe what I believe.
Religion is a divinely inspired vessle given from God to mankind. It is not a well provisioned rest home for the already perfected, rather it is a learning labritory for the imperfect.
I don't believe so, I believe religion is self evidently the stories passed on unwritten by a lot of illiterate domineering old sexist men to control people to their own ends and subjugate women..
I had gleaned from what you have claimed that you are already perfect.
Religions teach one to meditate and gain enlightenment,after that you become the master.Like Vivekananda said "its fine to be born into a religion but not to die with one"
Onusonus your philosophy is perfect.
I did not reach meditation through religion.
Meditation leads me away from religion to individuation, not towards religion.
Religion teaches you that god is within you and they guide you to become a master.I see good in all religions.You agreed that Jesus had some amazing words and teachings- thats the religion.
look beyond what? You can look "beyond" as much as you like with religion, you will always find a psychotic agenda.
You keep saying look beyond as if you are talking to someone as thick as you are. What is that?
I agree with Einstein there is no limit to human stupidity.
I like his other quote as well "great spirits have always found violent opposition by mediocre minds"
I like his other quote as well "great spirits have always found violent opposition by mediocre minds"
Then like the sage say "it takes a master to recognize a master, he will only be called a fool by a fool"
Violent opposition against people who have found god and share god knowledge.
Albert Einstein did not mention any such thing.Where did you get the violent from? Feeling insecure are we?
I assumed he was talking about you. Despite all that Einstein knew, he never presented even his theory of relativity with the ego you present your pathetic poetry!
I don't do violence, not my style, I live in peace, and promote peace, that does not mean I have to take a lot of abuse from your beliefs or your violent god.
You are abusive and violent.A peaceful person does not abuse a spiritual poet.
You are paranoid, but then that does not surprise me at all.
I think you are paranoid and angry that I know god and that you dont, ego problem.Otherwise write and get ranked over me if you can.
We are both humans but I am the enlightened poet and you are not.Meaning I have god knowledge which you don't.
Along with the bigotry,sexism and psychosis was there some kind of inspiration (from whatever source).I have a tendency to write without thinking too hard and then adapt what I write over time to make it closer to what I actually wanted to say.
Does divine inspiration allow for this kind of incremental improvement? or is everything set in stone without the option of community feedback and concensus to genuinely create rules which benefit everyone and allow everyone freedom of choice within reason.
It is a tragedy that there are those who cannot see past the dark ages of history. It was a true misrepresentation of divinely inspired ideology. The people of today however have come back into the understanding of freedom with a certain stigma against those who formerly oppressed, who are long dead, and mostly forgotten.
We gather ourselves to uplift and inspire; and to organize with the common purpose to make the world a better place, not by oppression, but through charity and good will for the building up of God's kingdom throughout the eternities.
Your Gods kingdom is repression itself. Religionists deny rights to others, try to control governments, oppress millions of people and destroy the rights of children to be free of such sad indoctrination.
You will have a hard time separating any god from religion. Religion owns god.
Atheism is a lack of understanding. You will have a hard time selling it to me.
Yes I think you are right, I would have a hard time selling it to you. Anyone who worships the tooth fairy is not likely to see anything outside their own beliefs.
I cant help but notice that the Era in history which has caused the most suffering and bloodshed is the twentieth, (The age of Science and reasoning.) as for the suffering children, you are right children can suffer if they are permited to experiance life, unlike the "evolved" state that we are now in where life is optional.
There has been bloodshed all the way through the history of mankind, it is just that we did not have the numbers on the planet before, or the high tech killing machines before, or the press to get it on the news every night. Mans inhumanity to man has survived inside and outside religion because it has nothing to do with religion per se, it is the little bit of lizard brain at the back of the brain that is the problem for humans. We have only two responses, fight and flight in this trigger response.The human condition will prevail until mankind either bi-passes this part of the brain(galvanic probe) or changes the balance of brain chemistry to allow for normal brain function. For more on the subject you could read "Trouble at the mill" It is a scientific explanantion of the human condition, and includes such luminaries as Prof. Hawkings as a contributor.
The key factor is men acting against one another, not God who lists not to interfear with the standard of free will. But I say that you should give thanks to that heavenly being who created you, and preserved you, and is now preserving you even from one moment to the next by lending you breath!
Your god does not give me anything, for me this orrible little psycho could not raise a fart, let alone give me breath!The god of religion is a narrow minded figment of the imagination that belongs to a frightened group of ignorant old men who were illiterate.
God gives life, and before you were born you chose to live here, to experiance trials and adversity for your own personal growth.
My parents had sex, that is how I got here!
Of course they had sex, (I didn't think you were hatched,)I was speaking about your immortal soul. which was gracefully afforded the oportunity to enter your body. Why else would we be here?
I know why I am here thank you, and it is not to worship some nutty belief in an omnipresent god who apparently has all knowlege yet allows innocent children to die horrible deaths while he demands blind obedience. my soul has nothing to do with your god, or any god for that matter.
Then why do you keep visiting the religion forum? It it because maybe something inside you realy has the desire to believe?
No. And my reason for visiting the religious forums is to have my say on the matter. I do not need to question why you are here.
Oh really.... Am I wrong, or am I so right that you just blew your mind!!!!!!!
Pretty small stuff Onusonus. You are running your agenda, I am commenting.
Well then I'll see you at church Sunday! Jesus loves you!!!
Your spirit needs finding.I have no need of your beliefs.
Gee thats a surprise! Two religious zealots agree, now that may make history.
Just trying to get some sense into you.For you religiosity of soul is different from God- ridiculous.
Condescending again! Can't you speak without being insulting?
No I did not think people had a ranking system. As stated before your rating means nothing to me.So you wrote a book on religion. Get over yourself, you are a megalomaniac.Read up on that.
Oh dear! I think I will cry myself to sleep over that one!Megalomaniac:A pathological egotist.
Talking is easy ,doing is difficult, try doing.
And what may I ask are you doing other than telling the whole world that you are smarter than everyone else. What a pile of steaming dung that is.
Jesus Christ have spend five years putting a book together , then you dont understand books.
I probably read more than you do, and I do not just read recycled religion as you do. Grow up!
Correct all the spiritual authors of The Holy Bible, Holy Quran are also pathetic and you are not.
Your words. not mine. I make no claim to be omni anything.
No your words since my book is ranked alongside them, so if I am pathetic they must be too.Jesus and Moahmmad claimed enlightenment- how pathetic.
Let me understand you.You compare yourself to your own gods?
Wrong intelligent humans are comparing me ,I don't own these libraries, didn't know they existed till recently.
I don't know what ranking system you're going off of but you do realize you're guilty of a ridiculous logical fallacy.
There is no osmosis in sales rankings. Being ranked alongside the Bible does not make you Christian. Being ranked alongside Mein Kampf does not make you a Nazi. Being ranked alongside Harry Potter does not make you a wizard. Your sole justification for your "enlightenment" seems to be that if a ranking system lists you alongside someone else, you must necessarily be their intellectual and qualitative equal.
That's ridiculous and you know it.
What a sad world you must live in, to have nothing to believe in.
Faith is something that gives people hope. It is not something seen or something you can hold in your hand, it is a kind of peace and security that is felt in the heart. This faith helps you through the storms of life and gives you something to hold onto.
This reasurance is a gift from God called grace. God is not religion, He is love, compassion, goodness, strength, and etc., but he is also a punishing God as a parent is to a disobedient child, he can be angered, and he does show wrath.
God has given us freewill, therefore we choose, he does not force us to him, nor does he hold us down and shove this into us. We come to Him because of a lack in ourselves. This lack can be an emptiness in the heart or something that is unfulfilled. It is different for each person. But when you come to God on your own of your OWN freewill, you feel your burdens are lifted, you feel peace, and you do not feel alone.
It appears from your posts that you are an angry person, someone who is lacking in your heart. I do hope that somehow and some where that one day you will find the peace you have been searching for. I will pray for this for you.
May God bless you even if you do not believe, because whether you believe or not you are his child and he does love you as do the children of God.
What a pathetic world you live in that you feel the need to be so condescending and threaten god's wrath. If you genuinely had faith you would not be so condescending.
I pity you.
Perhaps I can explain why you are the way you are;
Outwardly you are trying to believe in something that clearly does not exist. Inside - your true heart is railing against this, and this shows itself in condescending behavior and statements such as you have just made.
Let go the irrational belief and this cognitive dissonance will pass. Free yourself from the need to pretend.
It appears from your post that you are a sad and angry person who feels the need to feel superior in some way. Trust me - let this go and you will leave the anger and sadness behind.
I hope that helps and wish you well in your journey.
Please restrict your comments to some kind of relationship with the original question guys, or comment elsewhere.
I don't see the usefulness of this kind of debate here.
Dennis- It sometimes happens in religion forums when people get very personal discussing there beliefs.
PS: I did try in this thread to answer your original post to the best of ability
No worries, it just seems to get a bit out of hand. I'm used to one line comments in other places that become conversational, as long as it all stays respectful.
Personal experience is what makes things interesting for me because we all have different versions.
Yes, for keeping the masses in their place.
In the case of Christianity it proved a useful moral doctrine for defining rules in which western society now abides by.
Yes, if you try to live the religion how it's supposed to be lived with true sincerity of heart.
Good way to start a new page caderade2.
Of course religion is useful. How else would we learn about God.
Clears some of the dross out too. Just imagine the sort of people we would have around if not for the religious wars. Gays. Atheists. All sorts.
I cannot believe you still believe that all wars are because of religion.
Seems to me they never were about religion, that was just a guise, they were and are about power and land and money. But go ahead and blame religions, everyone else does.
So religions fight over power and land and money then?
Not that the religion is to blame. Right?..........
And where exactly do you think religion comes from?
The same place anti- religions come from.
You missed out communists. When I was small my father once said that hollywood is a subtle way of spreading American ideology the world over. All the war movies show the Americans/British as the good folks and the Japanese/German/Russians as the bad guys. I hope at least now we can try to look at each person as a human first before looking at peripheral background.
PS: I have lots of American/British friends whom I admire and adore a lot. My comment wasn't meant to hurt anyone.
Hollywood was a propaganda machine.........
WOW!! Being a Britisher you agree that war movies are skewed/biased. Btw do you think this "propaganda" is consciously undertaken upon the insistence of the government or independent(purely based on the producer/director's visions). But then as they say History is usually depicted by the way the Victors want it to be portrayed.
No question about it. Check out Errol Flynn, Audie Murphy and John Wayne.
Here's two funny propaganda films:
Boy's Beware, a REAL 1950s documentary that warns boys of homosexual predators. Sinful, really.
A Civil Defense film.
I have only seen John Wayne but wasn't aware if they were "propaganda". So you really think the govt officially interfered with movie folks? I guess my dad's theory was somewhat correct than. Actually since he was in the Indian Navy he had lots of Russian friends hence he may also be slightly biased towards the Russians.
Probably from the perspective of the writer. The writers own understanding, knowledge, witness, etc... If a German writer was pro Nazi'ism, then he/she is likely to portray the humane and compassionate side of a Nazi... If he was a jew, he is likely to portray them as non human monsters etc...
Sure, religion is useful. It gets a bunch of Knights and Muslims into battle, whereupon said Knights take home riches and knowledge of far away lands.
It makes people kick others out of their country, like those silly Pilgrims. Look at America now!
It can make for some very good plays, like The Crucible, too.
G|M- Thanks for that info I will check it out.
Sandra- Yes that is also true when the movie is made from the writer's perspective and later produced/directed. I was just curious about the govt interference.
Anyway friends I hope I am not guilty of side tracking this topic(if I was responsible then sorry) and before somebody says I will leave and get back to work
I see no other fascit in the world that benifits the growth of mankind, that spreads good will, brotherly love, and most of all charity towards those who are less fortunate in both monitary and for the nurturing of the human spirit. There is nothing more benevolent than the educational walls that promote the development of the soul.
We must have read different books! I see and read the hate and loathing spewed out by religion that has nothing to do with soul.Religion is homophobic, exclusive, hateful, vengeful, and just plain stupid.The god of the bible for example is a tiny little hateful psychotic full of threats and condemnation. Even those who are illiterate are blamed for not following this pathetic invisible entity.
I think you see only what you want to see, there is much love and tolerance for all of God's creation written in those pages. I see people who took up arms only to defend their livelyhood and their families, in defence of freedom and thier religion.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
It is not their fault, Onus, if they do not see.
This, I suppose, is why the Saviour spoke in parables.
Obviously you read very selectively, I cannot see how you can read and not see.I did not say there is nothing in the bible that is not hateful, just that it is full of hate, and if you can't read it, then you are blind by choice.What's next? The condescending line "Forgive them Lord for they know not what they do" I don't need your sanctimonious biblical quotes.
The essence of the Holy Bible and Holy Quran is love.
You must have read a different book.The Quoran and bible are works of hate and intolerance.
You have been unable to interpret them correctly.
Interpretation is a cop out. It says what it says.
Thats the problem you need to be in a similar vibration to understand its depth or you just miss the point as in your case.
No I am just not blind to what is written, as I am not looking through a closed mind.
To what credulity? Your religion is a lot of nonsense.
How coveniant you dont understand so its nonsense.
Wrong. I do understand. It is so simple. If a god has to make threats to be followed, it is not a god, just the ramblings of frightened men
Threats that this dimension is one of pain and if you meditate, drop all your ego you will find this other dimension called heaven or god which is absolute bliss and your true home from where you have come.
My true home is in my own individuation, and I do not need some self appointed expert to tell me about meditation or their little psychotic god.
On the contrary, this soul can smell bulldust from a mile away, and is not seeking your solutions.
Thanks but no thanks, but by all means follow it yourself. I am on another road.
No problem , showing this planet the path and you are welcome when and if you want to.
I have no need to enlist others on my personal path, and many others have written extensively on the subject. I am simply on the path of individuation.It is a well known and understood path. Anyone who wants to know about it is welcome to find it themselves. The urge to inform others of my way is not one of my needs.
You are shouting your way on religious forum where many believe in God.
No I am not. You ask I answer. I am having my say about you trying to ram your religion down my throat, I have never tried to convert anyone to my beliefs, I would never do that. You, like many religionists can't stand to have someone object to your assumptions.
You believe that god doesn't exist and expect people who believe in God to think you are correct on a religious forum.
The truth is you do not know.
No the truth is you, like your god are very small indeed, and have no tolerance for any other belief.The name of this particular forum is.. Is religion useful.
I know god so if you say he doesn't exist, I will tell you meditate harder in order to find him.Then you will be what is called a Brahim- knower of Bhrama , awakened one, enlightened one.
And be like you? No thanks.You have not answered any of my questions, and I am already familiar with Brahim. I worked for an Indian company in Malaysia who's CEO had this belief too.He was always forcing his staff to believe his beliefs, and sacked them if they didn't. He was on safe ground at the time with the despotic Dr. Mahatir in charge of the country!
What question? You cannot be like me- forget that but you can learn and become a better human.
hahahhahaha I spelled it wrong and you copied it Bhrahim, its Bhramin or Brahmin- just shows how much you really know. hahhahhahahha but thanks for the good laugh.
You really are a pathetic little man. I also spelled Mahatir wrong. So this is now a spelling contest?Pardon me for not caring about your little games.You are right, I cannot be like you. I can think, you cannot without permission from your little god that is.Say what you will, you can but say who and what you are!By the way your spelling and English are at 3rd grade level, so if I were you I would not discuss spelling.
You copied it simply because you did not know.You will not be able to understand the meaning right now but if you meditate-practice one pointed concentration-you will.
Sure I can ,whats the big deal in it.Have many powers which once again you will not be able to comprehend if you just keep talking and not meditating.
The only power I have witnessed is the power to bore the pants off me. As I said, you are pathetic!
And you would know right? Why don't you just slide away on your own ego!
Question-Who calls a poet ranked alongside the Bible and Quran pathetic on a religious forum?
Answer- a serious jerk, who else?
What sort of megalomaniac would think they knew everything because they wrote some bad neurotic poetry that no one reads??
According to you its bad since you are ignorant but the sages , English professors and libraries say brilliant and fabulous.
I have met plenty of dumb as grass English Professors who do not know anything about poetry, you must have found one, as for the library, I do not see you on any best seller lists, or any lists for that matter, get over yourself you crazy egotist.
How very true, you could start a Religion based on eating only rice, and a whole lot of nutters would join.
Religion, is largely about making money, Business people join up to get the clients..... Whatever it was it has so lost its origins, I don't want to know.
No arrogance is your forte not mine. It is you who arrogantly asserts your knowledge and condescendingly tell the world you are special. That is the epitome of arrogance.
.Who is arrogant the business writer telling the spiritual writer ranked over Bibles and Qurans he is talking non sense ahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah
now I will stop since the person who started this thread would like an intelligent debate and not your nonsense.
sometimes useful and so many times not...
religions are defect of world as worthless...
yes, we are as human; we have a mission here; worship one god, follow him, doing good deeds; as if we didn't we would be lost; and we would getting in trouble, like AIDS, swine flue; all of these just signs for our lost:
A greater purpose? No, not really. I hope God may greet me at his "gates" (whatever significance that holds), but I probably won't wait 1,000 years to meet him. He has better things to do than serve a puny creature such as I. I'm sure he has much more important things to do; such as creating concepts and universes that I could not (nor any human) could understand .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent of.
After enlightenment I agree with your statement, I cannot understand God in totality and how he creates. All I understand is that I am his puppet and he does what he wants to do with me
"How are you creating is what I want to know,
That is the only way I can grow."
reached a dead end
Wow I found that all kinda heavy....
This is the way I see things partaining to god...
Hard to explain without go off at the deep end
I believe he/she/it the god of the bible has time for me and
will listen and understand me, when sometimes others cant.
That god has a purpose for us all and the earth, and whatever we do that purpose will not change..
That we have life because of god and that we have also free
will and we can use it as we like.....
He gives us qualities to imatate and it is up to us whether
we develop or we dont....
by Liam Hallam5 years ago
Why do you feel that many people have deserted a particular religion or simply chosen not to followHave the major religions not moved with the times? As an agostic i'd like to see what others feel and see?
by Sheila7 years ago
What is the true purpose of religion/spirituality? To bind us with rules, or to open our hearts and our minds?Where does atheism fit into the above? Does tolerance go hand in hand with enlightenment, and if...
by yoshi977 years ago
After reading through the religion forum, I see a lot of different views, but I also see some that are very much the same. What I am curious about is this ... are we all mostly different, or are we preaching the same...
by pisean2823115 years ago
Ok..being atheist , you dont believe in any intelligent supreme being ...my question is, you began atheist because of your observiation , experience and what role has religion played in making you atheist?
by haj33966 years ago
One religion states I need to live for christ, another says I have to be Baptize, another says I have to speak in tongue, another says you have to worship God on sabbath, HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by yoshi977 years ago
No, this isn't a 'bash the believers' thread, nor do I wish to see it become as such. Instead, I have an earnest question I want answered, and I'm afraid non-believers aren't qualified to answer this one, for reasons...
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