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DNA--- The God Molecule

  1. A.Villarasa profile image78
    A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago

    There I said it.....for if there is anything at all in the universe that could indirectly prove God's existence, the DNA is it.

    The Higgs-Boson particle may just be what scientist says it is, the basic unit of all that is material in the universe, but the DNA molecule in its sublime complexity clearly points to design... that shouts INTELLIGENCE!!!!!

    Recent scientific discoveries have convinced  Sir Anthony Flew, the late world-famous philosopher and leading atheist, that the DNA  with the "unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to create life, that intelligence MUST have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements to work together". Thus I now believe,  that the universe was brought into existence by an infinite Intelligence. I believe that this universe's intricate laws manifests what scientists have called the Mind of God. I believe that life and reproduction originate in a divine source."

    He further said: "why do I believe this, given that I expounded and defended atheism for more that a half-century? The short answer is this: this is the world picture, as I see it, that has emerged from modern science. Science spotlights three dimensions of nature that point to God. The first is the fact that nature obeys laws. The second is the dimension of life, of intelligently organized and purpose-driven beings, which arose from matter. The third is the very existence of nature."

    1. BuddiNsense profile image60
      BuddiNsenseposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Are you really trying to disprove


      GOD




      ? It is theist like you give theist's a bad name. Intelligent design written in a convoluted form doesn't make it any more than creation "science".
      Why do you try to prove anyways? To whom?

      1. A.Villarasa profile image78
        A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Creation and Intelligent Design are not oxymorons, Creation implies intelligence and only intelligence can create designs. Now if you are implying that  God is not intelligent and thus can never be in anyway mentioned in the same line as Intelligent design... then I suppose, we can play with semantics all day long.

        1. BuddiNsense profile image60
          BuddiNsenseposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          They are not oxymorons but synonyms.
          My question is again
          "Why do you try to prove anyways? To whom?"
          Whatever you say, yours is creation theory and athesists can easily see through that. Those who believe in creationism doesn't need this silly proof either, underlined by an argument from authority.
          "only intelligence can create designs"
          I hope for God's sake that he was not out there all night creating one of these
          http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13064744.jpg

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            A man's thoughts can change the looks of a snow flake

          2. A.Villarasa profile image78
            A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Interesting that you should post a picture of snowflakes. If you must know, the formation of snowflakes has nothing to do with intelligent design, thus God has no direct hand in its appearance.  His sole role in that process was creating nature and the laws that govern it so it does not go into persistent entropy. The snowflake, in all its beauty is pure simple pattern, not design.

            The  snowflake's ubiquitous six-fold symmetry is solely the direct consequence of the properties and shape of water molecule. Their immense variety of patterns(not designs) is molded (not created) by its distinctive history and micro-environment; how each snowflake develops is sensitive to the specific temperature and humidity changes during its growth.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              If a human has a positive thought from experiment done on snowflake. it's appearance turns to look more beautiful. Or if human thoughts are negative it turns ugly.

              Explain this?

              1. A.Villarasa profile image78
                A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                The snowflake, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  It's not just your imagination , it's actually physically changes under a microscope and everyone. Witnesses the same thing.

    2. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Thank you for sharing this information, Alexander.  The secular religion of Darwinism, which takes more faith to believe then creation by design by intelligence, is fading.  Its wonderful that Sir Anthony Flew's eyes were opened to accept the truth and that he spoke out about what he could not deny.  R.I.P.

      The integrated complexity of the physical world is a good reason to believe there is an intelligence behind it, and that was good enough for Einstein. Then, this argument applies with the a fortiori integrated complexity for the living world.  Which Flew accepted, because who was he to judge Einstein. Einstein wasn't inclined to talk about it, but his humble un-authoritarian manor speaks volumes.

      Let God be God, and every man a liar. 
      Acceptance is a key!

    3. Titen-Sxull profile image93
      Titen-Sxullposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      DNA is also the thing which confirms scientifically that all life is genetically related, as in "blood-related". We share common ancestry with every living thing on this planet, that's what DNA tests have repeatedly shown us.

      In the meantime we've found no evidence of tampering with the genetic information we see from any "intelligent" source, unless you count human beings driving their own evolution by using tech to adapt to new environments instead of waiting around for natural selection to painstakingly build-in defenses the natural way.

      All the evidence I've seen suggests that evolution is a process that doesn't need a supernatural agency and works from the bottom-up. We've certainly never seen any evidence to the contrary, what we have are people who see complexity in the world and in their baffled awe insert an unnecessary unproven and ill defined supernatural agent for which we have no real cause to believe.

      1. A.Villarasa profile image78
        A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        What other evidence are you looking for? It's right there in the mirror, staring back at you.

    4. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      So Anthony Flew believed " . . . that the universe was brought into existence by an infinite Intelligence". Good for him. You believe that too. Good for you. I don't believe that. So now what? As people who may have to live in the same society, same neighbourhood, same street, what do we do now?

      Shall argue about it? Fight about it? Should you try to get politicians to make laws that force me to live according to your beliefs, despite my right not to hold those beliefs? Should I try to ridicule your beliefs at every opportunity, despite your right to believe? Or should we just disagree, and be ok with the fact that we disagree? And be glad to live in a society where we are free to disagree? Come on, where do we go from here?

      1. A.Villarasa profile image78
        A.Villarasaposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        We go to a place  where finally everything that we disagree with would be settled with finality....heaven. Now if you don't believe  in the existence of heaven....I can't do anything about that.

        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          That's only meaningful to someone who shares your beliefs. I, and many others, don't. Either way, what people believe happens when we're gone doesn't change the fact that we're here now, and we have to share the same streets, same same towns, same cities, same workspaces, same society. So how do we do that? By trying to force others to live according to our own personal beliefs? Is that the course of action most likely to enable people with different beliefs to live peacefully in the same society? Or is that the course of action most likely to bring about conflict, both cultural and physical?

  2. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago

    DNA is a great way to catch a murderer. Why not a good ID status to measure intelligence.

  3. Live to Learn profile image81
    Live to Learnposted 5 months ago

    Although I do understand the point of view of the atheist I'm afraid I'm inclined to accept what I see as the obvious fact that the elegance of design in our universe cannot be by chance and must have some intelligence at its core. God, as I understand it, is the only logical explanation.

  4. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago

    God is just a word, it is not an explanation with clear evidence of many levels, patterns and forms of intelligence.There are many God ideas and concepts yet where is the pattern other than what is coded in nature already.

  5. ahorseback profile image45
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    Sorry atheists , Until some one of you brain surgeons  can explain to this cat , the immeasurable amount of  heavenly created  beauty in just the natural world ,  I'm going with God !  I'm very  Sorry though ,  I am actually very sorry for the miserable questioning  lack of simple Faith and insight  that are all that is left of  atheism .  Truly I am !

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Each person is untitled to our own elution. From doing fantasy and historical art. And do have plenty of elutions of my own.

      It's just I don't have long serious conversations with my elutions. Or they will lock me up in a rubber room.

      1. lovetherain profile image71
        lovetherainposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Elution



        In analytical and organic chemistry, elution is the process of extracting one material from another by washing with a solvent; as in washing of loaded ion-exchange resins to remove captured ions. In a liquid chromatography experiment, for example, an analyte is generally adsorbed, or "bound to", an adsorbent in a liquid chromatography column.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Oh my.

          I mean illusion.

          Don't want to scrub anyone's brains out.

          Sometime my cell screws with words, then I forget to edit.

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        elution elute |iˈlo͞ot| verb Chemistry
        remove (an adsorbed substance) by washing with a solvent, esp. in chromatography.
        elution |iˈlo͞oSHən | noun

        I guess you meant illusions, which God is not ...

  6. wilderness profile image97
    wildernessposted 5 months ago

    "It is too complex for me to understand so there MUST be a god".
    "There are natural laws and I don't understand where they came from so there MUST be a god."
    "Life exists and I don't know how it came to be so there MUST be a god."
    "The universe exists and I don't know how it happened to be so there MUST be a god."

    Self proclaimed ignorance, whether individual, cultural or species wide, has become a popular method of showing a god's existence.  While it used to be interesting to hear such statements (does the speaker really not understand the fallacy of such a statement?), it has been repeated so many times it is merely boring now.  Isn't there something beyond "I don't know, so that proves goddunnit"?  Is that the best we as a species can do?  If we can't satisfy our curiosity with fact we'll just make up answers and accept them as true?

    1. A.Villarasa profile image78
      A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      If you must quote anyone in this discussion, it should be Flew, who I referenced in my OP... not the quotes that you just mentioned above, which I thought  you dredged from your very unreliable trash can.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Umm...The first I thought was the OP, the next three I thought were from Flew.  Reported in the OP, but as being from Flew.

        Was I mistaken?  Did he not say "Science spotlights three dimensions of nature that point to God. The first is the fact that nature obeys laws." (translation: I don't know where laws came from and therefore they indicate a god.)

    2. A.Villarasa profile image78
      A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      In this discussion .....if you must quote someone, it should be Sir Anthony Flew. The above quotes you just wrote in your post, must have come from a very unreliable and obstinate trash can in a dark corner of your room where all such similar obfuscations  percolate in abudance.

    3. A.Villarasa profile image78
      A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      So tell us...what sort of facts are you exactly looking for to finally  assuage your fear that God exist?

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Oh, I think I've posted that enough times (although the sensationalist claim of fearing it is ridiculous).  Find the god.  Show it.  Talk to it. 

        But no one does, do they?  They don't even try.  Instead they cleverly define that god (that MUST exist because the species is ignorant) in such a way that it cannot be done.  I'm sorry, but that isn't how we learn things - we can all make up stories, from fairies to gnomes to unicorns, but that doesn't give them reality any more than making up a god as an explanation for the unknown gives it validity.

        1. A.Villarasa profile image78
          A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Remind me again,what facts you have posted that indicated, that those are the ones  that will absolutely  clear your doubts or erase your denial of the existence of God.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Find the god.  Show it.  Talk to it. 

            I do think I've said that before.  It also seems quite obvious that such things would do the trick.

            1. A.Villarasa profile image78
              A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Those are not facts...those are wishful thinking.

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                Then I'm not understanding your question.  It is a fact that if a god appeared and spoke to me, showing godlike abilities, then it becomes a matter of fact, not belief, and belief is automatic.  It is true that it would also have to present convincing evidence it created this universe before that would be believed, but that isn't necessary to be a god.  By MY definition, anyway - if yours is different then such evidence would have to be shown as well.

                1. A.Villarasa profile image78
                  A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  What God-like abilities are you referring to?

            2. A.Villarasa profile image78
              A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              If not for anything else...would God care to show Himself to someone who doesn't even believe that He exist.?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                Do you think if you believe hard enough, some hollygram would appear of God for proof.

              2. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                Does He want converts or would He prefer to send to Hell for not being able to believe? 

                In any case what does that have to do with showing a god?  Or is that a part of how it is defined - unwilling to prove its existence to someone that doesn't believe?

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  Since God and Santa is based on fear. If he did show me proof of either. i would  die of shook (heart attack). Then end up in Hell, just because I didn't"nt think it was plasuable

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    Satan Clause, lol
                    I mean Satan not Santa.

                2. A.Villarasa profile image78
                  A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  He's got plenty of believers... to add you, whose only explanation for life and existence is all that could be inferred by his 5 senses, to that list would  not be a miracle but an act futility. And God  only does miracles,  not  acts of futility.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    If Christain can not crawl or evolutionary themselves out of the Flintstones era.

                    How are they going to slingshot themselves pass modern era and then drive pass the 99% unknown earth. And by their wildest imagination sling shot themselves pass finding out who the creator of Universe is. If your not killed by 1000s of other jealous Gods who desire over obedience slavery too.

                  2. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    I see.  God does not want me.  That's OK as I do not want a god that picks and chooses among it's creations, choosing only a handful of the lives it made and burning the rest for eternity.  My morals are stronger than that, but then all gods seem to have a strong lack of moral structure, don't they?

            3. mrpopo profile image87
              mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              That would be a start, but even then I'd be skeptical. A sufficiently advanced civilization could easily fool us. I'm certain even with our current technology we could fool our ancestors of even a few centuries ago into thinking that we are gods.

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                Whereupon you come to the definition of "god".  We are gods to the ancient peoples, even if we didn't create the universe and don't know everything there is to know.  We can fly, we create fire at the flick of a thumb, we even bring the "dead" back to life. 

                So what is a "god"?

                1. mrpopo profile image87
                  mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  I suppose that could fit into the definition of a god. I was thinking more of the omniscient, omnipotent definition.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    If God is the creator and ultimately power of the Universe.

                    Why does he have more flaws than the average human being.

                    I got a huge list of things I can do better than him. Jealousy is a real killer for one.

                2. A.Villarasa profile image78
                  A.Villarasaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  A God who is not in the supernatural realm is quite simply a demi-god, or a pretend god.
                  A verifiably true God is someone who resides not in the natural realm and whose omniscient attributes include the  consequential knowledge of  every thing that humans could/would  hope for and do  accordingly, and perhaps justifiably.

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    Gotta love that "verifiable" part as you list things we don't know, can't find and could never, ever verify.  With that kind of definition you shouldn't wonder why more people don't believe.

  7. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago

    I studied bio diversity from age one where ants other worms amd bugs visited my play crib to age 61. I don't know how the earth begin yet evolution is a good education guess.

    Where nearly 1/2 American think the Earth began 6000 years age and 60% think Noah story really happen. From the 99% knowledge about the earth we Human's collectively don't know about . Why should believe in the God based social pressure and old age superstitious?

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 months ago

    for the hundreth time: All that exists is evidence of "God"
    Gosh! yikes

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Some Christains think the Flintstones is a  natural history documentary. If you keep repeating it endlessly , tbey will de evolutionary into this theory and begin look and act like this.

    2. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Some Christains act like Flintstones because God gets irate talking about dinosaurs.

  9. M K Hanslik profile image84
    M K Hanslikposted 5 months ago

    Wilderness - I challenge you to prove you're right. Also, prove that your faith in the non-existence of God proves truth.
    In the meantime, prove that you love your parents, children husband or wife. Prove that any truth is not simply faith. Change is real and constant so the truth is flexible and molded - prove your truth is accurate.
    Prove that something that makes you happy and that your happiness is true and not just your own faith in your ideas. Prove to me that there is a difference between that truth and that faith. Prove to me that you are the highest power and that there is no other higher power manifested in this reality.
    Prove to me that YOU are right.
    Prove to me that love and happiness and truth and faith are things that you have absolute knowledge about and that you are the ultimate authority in them.

    Then, when you have proven that you are the end all /be all of creatio, prove to me that the things that you will create in this life will be everlasting. That the matter you join together in this life will eternally maintain its structure and the ideas of your superiority will outlast the next hundred generations of even semi-intelligent life.

    Prove to me that your version of how humanity should live is the right way, in full logic and rationale. Prove to me that YOU are the truth, way and life we should all be leading - and I will believe in what you say.

    If you cannot prove to me these things, your words are wind. Angry, agitated words of a lonely and insecure being with something to prove and no way to prove it. Someone who is lost in their own grief, shame, guilt, pain, loss or whatever and has no healing outlet for those broken aspects beyond attacking those who would attempt to heal themselves with humility.

    Prove to me - as you would have A. Villariasa prove to you - that you are actually even remotely accurate.

    Otherwise, if you have nothing to prove. Be quiet and keep your loneliness to yourself. Find peace and stop stirring up conflict. Heal rather than wound like an angry animal.
    A. Villarasa's wisdom or ignorance - whichever it may be is clearly irrelevant to your truth so move on.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Yay! lol

    2. mrpopo profile image87
      mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      lol that's a hell of an argument. "Prove you're right or else shut up and stay lonely." I must say, I'm convinced.

      I especially love the parting gem:

      "A. Villarasa's wisdom or ignorance - whichever it may be is clearly irrelevant to your truth so move on."

      Likewise, Wilderness' wisdom or ignorance - whichever it may be - is clearly irrelevant to your truth (or lack thereof, since you seem to think that there is no truth that isn't a faith). Why don't you follow your own advice and move on?

  10. Paul Wingert profile image80
    Paul Wingertposted 5 months ago

    God is just an ancient belief. "I have no idea where the sun goes every evening, therefore, God!"

    1. A.Villarasa profile image78
      A.Villarasaposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      To imply that our ancient forebears have simplistic  notions of their existence and the world  around them is truly incoherent to the point of insipidity. There is nothing incoherent or insipid about thinking that a supernatural entity was responsible for that existence and that world.

      1. Paul Wingert profile image80
        Paul Wingertposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        Still goes on today.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          GOD CAN HEAR YOU.
          LOl

          Nobody can find enough physical evidence to support either side. So would I be closer to being correct by saying. I Don't know, because I'm limited to the 99% bio mass unknown of this earth.

          How much do we know collectively about the 1% bio mass earth?

        2. A.Villarasa profile image78
          A.Villarasaposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          You mean your  incoherence and insipidity?  I agree, they  continue unabated.

      2. junko profile image79
        junkoposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        I once heard a story that God one day decided after being bore with the life  created on earth to make a man. I was told God got a hand full of mud and formed a man, then God blew the breath of life in it as God had did with the other living creations. I was told that God made man in his own image which was a spiritual not physical. All other living creations were not made in God's image, just man. The spiritual image of God in man gave all mankind the ability to think, reason, and create as no other living think on Earth. Man can construct or destruct with the power of God and also knows the difference in good and evil like no other living thing of Earth. My Doctor told me I need iron, zinc, copper, manganese, chromium, and other metals found in the earth and they are essential for human health. The human body is mostly water. Fire sparks our heart and nerves and the wind is in every breath we take. We are parts of our environment that was used in Intelligent Design by our Creator who is too intelligent for Man  to wrap his mind around which animal like without the image of God. Well that's my take on this subject, back to politics.

        1. A.Villarasa profile image78
          A.Villarasaposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          Would you interpret that story literally or metaphorically?

          1. junko profile image79
            junkoposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            I interpret that story literally based on a medical and scientific fact.

            1. A.Villarasa profile image78
              A.Villarasaposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              A lot of folks would strongly disagree with that statement and some of the other statements you made in some of your hubs regarding politics.

  11. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 4 months ago

    For as little collective knowledge mankind has. Would you say,base on medical, science and historical facts.

    God makes no sense?

    1. junko profile image79
      junkoposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      I would say, based on medical science and the story I referenced intelligent design is a fact and the designer is called God among other titles. I think it makes no sense for mankind with so little collective knowledge to deny God's existence. Tell me what floats your boat or justify's your existence  as for as God is concern?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        God is just a word, if it was the source of all good intentions. Then love would be my God with nature being my Religion. I worship this everyday through my artist lifestyle.

        I don't understand by why other religions of God are so much  about sex and war. Then don't  care about the natural environment.

        1. junko profile image79
          junkoposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          Well, if that's what floats your boat so be it. Live a righteous life and enjoy God in nature and love, i'll buy that too.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            Whatever works

            I hope religion does not sinks my boat with war. Plus earthling and the natural environment .

            Even if they manage to hand humanity it's extinction . The vines will continue to grow over them. Then all other creatures continue without God. Since the jelly fish has been immortal for 650 millions years, it will be the next closest creature to God. Jellyfish rule.

            1. junko profile image79
              junkoposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              The Creator has a Master Plan.  We don't no for sure our beginning and we know not our end so live until you die.. Don't worry be happy..

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                The Creator better get busy disciplining the Christains behavior for causing most of the wars and pollution in the World today. Unless he is planning on destroying the earth himself and sending most of us to hell for enteral retirement anyways.

                Hell of a intelligent design.

                1. junko profile image79
                  junkoposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  You don't have to die to go to hell you can have your hell on earth or your heaven. It all depend on the choices you make. you can be hoping a mountain falls on you but death will flee from you, it all in your spirit and the decisions You make. I wish you peace of mind and spirit ,now I will return to my spiritual battle in the heart of Western Christianity and Religion in Political America its a spiritual battle between good and evil.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    What is spiritual about. Spiritual to me is just the unknowns. killing and stealing?

 
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