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Old Testament Vs New Testament?

  1. Dorine Cousins profile image59
    Dorine Cousinsposted 3 months ago

    I have a question I hope someone can answer with documented facts. It is said that the NT is our Covenant and the OT we are not under anymore is this correct?

    1. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      This is a good site "Got Questions", that is accurate.
      http://www.gotquestions.org/new-covenant.html

      Its a matter of the heart, (or a matter of a heart problem).

  2. Blessed Hill profile image82
    Blessed Hillposted 3 months ago

    That is correct, Hebrews 8 states: But now He (Jesus) has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord , when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord . For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord : I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord ,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” In that He says, “A new covenant ,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
    Hebrews 8:6‭-‬13 NKJV
    That's just one of the scriptures.

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Doesn't this make it rather plain that ONLY Israelis  are God's people?  That no other need apply?

      And doesn't it put a definite halt to proselytizing and missionary work as well?  For all His people shall already know him and He isn't much interested in anyone else?

      1. Blessed Hill profile image82
        Blessed Hillposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        That is an incorrect assumption: Galatians 3 states
        And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying,  “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.” Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
        Galatians 3:8‭-‬14
        The covenant promises made to Abraham is the 1St covenant, 2nd covenant is made through Jesus.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          You may be right - your other post indicates that all from Israel are His people, and do not need being preached to, but all others are fair game.  It would seem that they could be additional  people of God's own, but likely need the preaching.

          1. Blessed Hill profile image82
            Blessed Hillposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            The book of Hebrews is written to the Jewish people who believed Jesus to be the Messiah.

    2. Dorine Cousins profile image59
      Dorine Cousinsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      So with this being the new Covenant where in the new testament is tithing?

      1. Blessed Hill profile image82
        Blessed Hillposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        We tithe because Abraham tithed. The tithe came before the law. Don't get mixed up with old covenant and the law. The Law is called the Mosaic covenant.

        1. Dorine Cousins profile image59
          Dorine Cousinsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          So every one is under the Mossaic law? Even though we were not included under the old covenant, we were only accepted through Christ? Don't get me wrong I'm searching for understanding if my soul depends on salvation I'm reading and asking questions for clarification.

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            His point was that even though Christians are not under mosaic law, tithing is a separate subject. Abraham tithed hundreds of years prior to Moses.

        2. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 2 months ago in reply to this

          Didn't early Christians contribute what they could afford to a central fund that was then used to help those in the community who were in need? Surely Christians tithe because of their desire to help those in need, no?

          1. Blessed Hill profile image82
            Blessed Hillposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            That's called alms giving. Tithing is used to support ministry

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 2 months ago in reply to this

              What are you calling "ministry"?  The sending of missionaries out to gain converts or the support (food, housing, etc.) of the local priesthood and their church buildings?

              1. Blessed Hill profile image82
                Blessed Hillposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                If I receive ministry from a church then that's where I put my tithe. I usually investigate the church and it's ministries and whether the leaders have answered God's call to that specific ministry before I will put My tithe there. I will not tithe into church that has occupational pastors, I refuse to tithe into someone else's pocket. The ministry and it's leaders must be God ordained.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                  Confusion.

                  min·is·try
                  [ˈminəstrē]
                  NOUN
                  1. the work or vocation of a minister of religion:
                  "he is training for the ministry"
                  synonyms: holy orders · the priesthood · the cloth · the church
                  2. (in certain countries) a government department headed by a minister of state: "the Ministry of Agriculture"
                  synonyms: (government) department · bureau · agency · office
                  3. (in certain countries) a period of government under one prime minister:
                  "Gladstone's first ministry was outstanding"
                  rare
                  4. the action of ministering to someone:
                  "the soldiers were no less in need of his ministry"

                  Unless you refer to 4), the act of preaching, I'm still not understanding what you mean by the term.  I'm also confused by the statement that "The ministry and it's leaders must be God ordained." as ALL ministers (preachers) will claim to be ordained by God.

                  I'm also confused by tithes in the time of Moses: where did THAT money go if not to support the church?  Buy sacrifices, perhaps, and support the priesthood and any church buildings?

                  1. Oztinato profile image84
                    Oztinatoposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                    Wilderness
                    try using a dictionary bro.
                    How can anyone expect to have a discussion if  they don't know basic dictionary definitions? It's like asking what does "the" mean. A bit like that old boring Abbot and Costello routine "Who''s on First?

  3. Dorine Cousins profile image59
    Dorine Cousinsposted 3 months ago

    So we do it because Abraham did it even though we were considered a different nation? You had Jews and Gentiles and then through. Christ came the church so now we have three nations. I thought through Christ the old law was fulfilled. In Matthew 5:16-17.

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      When they speak of old law that is referencing Mosaic law. Abraham's tithe to Malchezidek was not under law, it was just something he did.

      I'm not a firm believer that tithing to the church is mandatory. I reference Jesus' flippant attitude when he had them catch a fish to get a coin out of it to pay the church. But, most religious look to the incident with Malchezidek for that belief.

      1. Dorine Cousins profile image59
        Dorine Cousinsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        Thank you all so much I'm clear on this.

        1. Blessed Hill profile image82
          Blessed Hillposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          Just a last thought. On a personal level I give tithes and offerings because I believe that the work being done is God ordained. Also because I want to express my worship and thanksgiving to God who has already provided so much for me. The little that I give can never measure up to how much He has already given. Be blessed.

          1. Dorine Cousins profile image59
            Dorine Cousinsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            I do to but more to people I see in need because I believe God will provide for his temple.

            1. Blessed Hill profile image82
              Blessed Hillposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              Great.

              1. Dorine Cousins profile image59
                Dorine Cousinsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                Thank you so very much for your time and clarification so so so very thankful.

  4. Dorine Cousins profile image59
    Dorine Cousinsposted 3 months ago

    In the New testament Matthew 19 verse 17-19. When Jesus told a man keep the Commandments was that for the Gentiles also or was he still prioritizing and setting order back again for the children of God. I say this because Israel was split into two nations the ones that turned away and the ones that kept pace with God. Jesus gathered his 12 disciples and told them go to the lost of the house of Israel casting out unclean spirits and healing the sick don't go by the Gentiles get them first. So being that he said that he was reestablishing order. So as a Gentiles I should be happy to be included and not expect anything from God but Salvation which is fine with me seriously. But you hear so many promises in church what God has to do and what he will do which I have not seen flourish yet but please be paitient with me I'm studying cause some people if I ask these questions they think my agenda is tainted and off, but I'm doing this for me my soul eternally depends on me getting this right. Thank you to all for the insight I am so happy and grateful for the input so appreciated.

    1. Blessed Hill profile image82
      Blessed Hillposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      It's great that you are searching for more of God. In the Gospels Jesus was still preaching solely to the Jews. But He never refused faith, consider the Samaritan woman, the syro -phonecian woman, the centurion all Gentiles. Jesus first had to bring Israel back into right covenant relationship with God which He had made through Abraham. But if you read Genesis 12-22 you will see 1stly Abraham was a Gentile, 2ndly God promised that through Abraham's Seed (Jesus) all nations will be blessed. Ok, we know Abraham was a very blessed man by God even though he was far from perfect. In fact it's as though God blessed him despite all his screw ups. Why? Because God made a covenant promise to bless Abraham and all Abraham had to do was "keep it" (remember it, trust it, teach it to his people, believe it)
      When God was leading the Israelites out of slavery at Mt Sinai God wanted to re-establish the covenant but the elders refused to talk to God and told Moses to be their go-between, their mediator. They said let God do His part and we will do ours (I'm paraphrasing). That was never God's intent, all God wanted was a people who would put all their faith and trust in His goodness like Abraham did. But they wanted a part to play in the covenant. That's why God gave the law. If you study Romans, Galatians and Hebrews you should get a good idea of what Jesus has done for us. I've only scratched the surface.

      1. Dorine Cousins profile image59
        Dorine Cousinsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        I will read those books I'm so elated that there are people that are complete strangers would help one another in God's word so happy I have plenty of homework. Thanks and God bless.

 
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