Are we setting up the Goverment to start dictating to religions?

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   larenelsposted 14 years ago

   It deeply concerns me that states are making same sex marriages legal. I feel everyone should have every civil right. In fact, I think the insurance company allow us to claim another person on the policy if we are single. They could be our mother or someone we know who needs insurance and can't get it. This is another topic.
   
   If we legalize same sex marriage, we are opening the door for them to sue any religion and force them to marry them. Is this what we want? Somewhere in the back of my mind, I remember that it might be against the constitution or bill of rights. It's under the freedom of religion.
   
   I can't remember. It's been so long since I was in school and I've never had the subject come up in every day life. What do you think about it?

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Not sure how you are making this connection. Do you think that this is what will happen?
      
      As far as I understand it - marriage is a legal contract between two people, rather than a religious contract. Did I miss something?

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      Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No one is forcing anyone to marry anyone...
      
      And, no, an insurance company does not let you claim another person if you are single.

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      Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You don't have to be married in a church do you?  Why bother about a priest, so bypass this and why would there be the need to sue?

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   Make Moneyposted 14 years ago

   I think governments should get out of issuing marriage certificates. 
   
   I'm not from the U.S. but on a similar thread I remember reading a web site that said Jefferson didn't mention the separation between church and state regarding the Constitution but to a Baptist Association because he was concerned that the Church of England may become the State Religion.  You know because it was just after the American Revolution.  Here's a similar web site,
   http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html
   
   Here in Canada we have a bill that protects religions from being forced to marry same sex couples if they choose not to.  You would think there was something similar in the U.S.
   
   Mike
   
   P.S.  By the way nice to meet you larenels.

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   fierycjposted 14 years ago

   There's a conspiracy for government to dictate religion. But It goes way beyond marriage. Way, way beyond it.

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      Christian HomeBizposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What conspiracy is that?

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         fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         sorry, I won't be talking about that conspiracy. And I'll give you two reasons. O LUCIFER, SON OF THE MORNING, and THE REMNANT. Those are the titles of my two unpublished works. I usually dont talk about anything that would have me calling up or referencing intricate parts of my books plot. I'm paranoid like that.

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            Eric Graudinsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Wow, get out the red carpet. We have an author in our midst.
            A very pretentious one at that!

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               fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you. I was waiting for you to just show up.

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   Make Moneyposted 14 years ago

   Origin of Marriage. Marriage was instituted by God when He declared, “And the Lord God said: It is not good for man to be alone: let us make him a help like unto himself.” (Gen. 2:18).  God wasn't referring to Adam and Steve or Lilith and Bernice.
   
   Yes governments should get out of the practice of issuing marriage certificates.

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   Colebabieposted 14 years ago

   I don't think it matters what the supposed origin of marriage but rather what it has become. If you take government out of religion, and make marriage only for religious people, it's like taking a good idea and expanding upon it to include other groups of people, and then taking it away. Does that make any sense? It's been a long day, I'm just babbling.

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   fierycjposted 14 years ago

   You sure must have really had a long day, Colebarbie. I didnt get a word of what you're saying. Lol.

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   LondonGirlposted 14 years ago

   I'd take the English-writing-ability log out of your own eye first, to be honest.
   
   Perfectly clear to me, one missing word in the first sentence, that's all.
   
   Unlike a lot of your stuff....

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      Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry LondonGirl, not sure what ya mean. I just got out of my second job, and I'm even more exhausted than before
      
      Sorry fierycj if I wasn't clear, like a said, it's been a long day

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         fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         it's no big deal. I wasn't trying to be an ass or anything. I'm not like that. You don't have to apologize for babble. It happens to the best of us.

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      fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      london girl, you really love me a lot, don't you.

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   gamergirlposted 14 years ago

   Make Money -
   
   Marriage predates Christianity.
   
   Marriage is not a religious rite.  It used to be, medievally, a contract of financial or territorial importance, a way to secure bloodlines amongst nobility, or to ensure peace between violent factions.
   
   Separate church and state, please. Thanks!

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Absolutely!

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   Shadesbreathposted 14 years ago

   I tried really hard not to say anything and just move on, but, okay, I can't.  Dude (I know you are a chick, but I like to start with "dude" when I'm addressing statements that defy anything approaching what I consider well thought out stuff)... so, Dude, really? 
   
   I mean, have you read ANYTHING regarding the legislation involved with Same Sex marriage?  I mean, like actually read, as in following all the words, one at a time, all the sentences, all the way to the bottom.... even if just the two line blurb the voter pamphlet guy writes in there for the simpletons, retards and gold fish to catch them up before they lumber into the polls and mash a button with their forehead or McNugget clutching hamfists?
   
   Seriously, wow.
   
   And if this is just you trying to feign innocence and post up a psuedo-argument, then, well, again: EPIC FAIL.  Nobody is telling religion what to do.  Way to create a false issue in  your mind.  Seriously, take a step back from the hookah and actually spend .00005 seconds reading the literature. 
   
   Seriously.
   
   Just, ... wow.

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

    Getting yourself in hot water again  my man....x

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    kerrygposted 14 years ago

    Returning to the topic at hand...
    
    Churches and private organizations are protected by the Constitution from being forced to marry, hire, etc. gay people if it is against their religious beliefs. Legalizing gay marriage will not change that.
    
    However, I must say that I find it extremely ironic that the OP is complaining about government interfering with churches when that is precisely what the government is doing NOW. Apparently government interference in marriage threatens the very foundations of our democracy when it is used to ensure equal rights for homosexuals, but is perfectly okay if it's used to prevent churches that DO support same sex marriage from marrying gay couples in accordance with THEIR beliefs.
    
    Congratulations, ma'am, on your hypocrisy.

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    aka-djposted 14 years ago

    All this "progress"!
    What a screwed up world we live in.
    Anarchy and lawlessness, here we are .Come and get us. We are ripe for the picking. (Not funny really ).

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