There be many religious people here that have threatened us with the world ending. They tell us that we need to repent and some use these as scare tactics. They seem to think that the Bible tells us the "signs" that the world will end. There has been posted somewnere on these forums the other dates the world has said it will end and yet it is still around.
What are you going to do differently when the world does not end in 2012? How will you feel about the Bible and how you thought and were told about the "end time"?
Do you have a backup plan when it doesn't end? How are you going to feel when your Biblical Truth's turn out to be a lie? How are you ever going to face all those people?
The question of world not ending does arise at all. God has made it very clear and also we paid a lot of our tax money in science for proving the world to be finished in the near future. With the proof of science that has become a fact now, so no doubts about it.
Please point me towards the 'science' that says the world is going to end soon.
Paraglider, most religions refer to the big crunch in some way or the other ... and I guess "soon" is a relative term here.
As for 2012, I hope we will be able to smash through in the same manner in which we defeated Nostradamus.
Have you ever heard about BIG BANG and BIG CRUNCH???
The big crunch is hypothetical, if gravity is stronger than the expanding force which doesn't seen to be the case as the universe is expanding.Currently you have only small pockets in the universe which crunch in-Black holes.
i agree that the big cruch is just a theory but you did not mentioned the complete theme of expanding universe theory. The final statements in the expanding universe theory is that there will be a final peak point at which the universe, while expanding, will BURST just like in the case of balloon. So, please do not hide the truth.
Not hiding anything.It may expand forever- god knows.Never heard of the burst theory before.
Consult "A Brief History of Time" and "Universe in a Nutshell" by Stephen Hawkings; a great scientist declared by other well known scientist, not me
Will do that, have one of Stephen Hawkins books , cannot remember which one.I remember it says the universe will keep expanding .
As long as we humans think and creat the world will never end. Thoughts become things. Be careful what you think.
Very true, we have created this universe and planet with our thoughts.
WOW. I didn't know how powerful I (we) are. Here I thought this world was here long before I came along. Nice to know I had a part in "creating" it.
We were and are part of the God/Universe and there was no beginning and there will be no end. We created it with our thoughts--the whole cabang! God's thoughts are our thoughts. I am sorry that people have to divide all of our existences up. God didn't plan it that way, we all did as in our contracts and Karma. We all have the "what-if's" to play with. One other thing---this Bible was only for the Jews and not the whole world. Study the history of the Bible---it's people and the times that they live and what else they believed in. If you want to world to end--you better believe it will end----for you only though. It doesn't work for anyone and I can attest to the fact that when we die we don't end.
If the Bible says that the world will end then why does the doxology say something completely opposite?
I have asked this before and never got and answer and it was ignored. Don't you all know why they say the opposite of eah other?
"The kingdom of heaven in in you" Jesus Christ.
God is in you, you are creating everything including yourself out of your thoughts.
The Shamans says we co create.
Hindu philosophy- understand you are the producer,the audience and the actors- ONE.
The moment you think- you are.
Zaratushtra-"Good thoughts, good words, good deads"
Thoughts come first.
Be realistic, only by thinking "world will not end, let's play and enjoy" does not imply that world will never end.
It also says, during it's expansion it will reach a point where it becomes explode just like you keep filling up a balloon and at a particular time it bursts.
The world won't end in 2012, no one know when the the world will end, but the bible gives us signs to look for. The current generation has more reason then any other generation before us to believe that the the end will occur in our life time.
Just to name a few,
1) Many will come in the name of Christ and deceive many (Matt.24,5; Mark 13,6; Luke 21,8)
Jim Jones and Heaven's Gate many cult leaders claim to be God or Jesus in order to decieve the weak minded, and have lead thousands to their death.
2) There will be wars and rumours of wars between nations and kingdoms (Matt.24, 6-7; Mark 13,7-8; Luke,21,9-10). WW1 WW2 War on Terror, Gulf War and the everlasting rumor of a future Holy War brought on by the Anti Chirst.
3) The first sorrows will be in the form of calamities: 'famines, pestilences and earthquakes in divers places', fearful sights and great signs from heaven (Matt.24,7-8; Mark, 13,8; Luke 21,11). Hurricane Katrina, Biggest Earthquake ever in China, Tsunami, Swine Flu, AIDS.
4) Orthodox Christians will be delivered up, killed and hated by all nations (Matt. 24,9; Mark 13, 9-11; Luke 21,12-15). Miss California is a more recent example, but a lot of non believers on this very site will contribute to this hatred and mockery of Christians
5) Everywhere men will hate and betray each other (Matt.24,10; Mark 13,12-13; Luke 21,16-17). rise in crime in these hard times, mothers killing their on Children, senseless murder. Rise in Murder/Suicide, Spree killings
6) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. " Matthew 24:14 The great protestant reformation was helped by the development of the printing press, finally people could have a copy of the holy scriptures and read the Bible for themselves in their own language. Today, in our time, the everlasting Gospel is being preached around the world via Radio, Television, Internet, DVD's, CD's, Missionaries, and more. In other words everyone on Earth will get a chance to Know God and choose whatever or not to follow his word.
7)The growth of knowledge would accelerate at the end of time "Knowledge for many years was growing very slowly, but now is growing exponentially. For thousands of years until as recent as 150 years ago, the fastest mode of transportation was on the back of a horse or about 25 mph maximum. Now mankind has traveled over 25,000 mph on the way to the moon. What a difference! According to Norman Edmund, Founder of the Edmund Scientific Company, with computers and the Internet, the accessibility of information and knowledge is doubling probably every year and will double every 73 days by the year 2020"
"In the last days ... men shall be lovers of their own selves, ... Without natural affection, ... incontinent, ... despisers of those that are good, ... Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof." 2 Timothy 3:1-5.
America is in the midst of a tremendous crisis. An epidemic of pornography, crime, illegal drugs, and moral degeneracy is threatening to overwhelm us. Suicide is becoming a popular solution to human problems. Divorce rates are climbing wildly, with nearly one marriage in two ending in the divorce court."
"The current immoral generation--with its obsession with sex and filth, with its increasing church membership but decreasing true spirituality--is a plain and positive fulfillment of God's Word. For a real shock, see how many of the last-day sins listed in 2 Timothy 3:1-5 you can find depicted in any issue of your Sunday newspaper. Nothing short of the coming of the Lord will stem the tide of evil that is now engulfing the world.
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation." 2 Peter 3:3-4" In other words this very forum topic is meant to queastion God and mock those who believe.
Well number 2 is not right---there have been many wars---The Inquisition, Revolutionary, WW1 and WW2--if I remember correctlt the World Wars were to end all wars and there were romors of and nations against nation. ALL wars are!
When the scholars translated some words the mistranslated them---for one it was WORLD and in fact it was correct to translate those as AGE, not world in the Bible concerning the end times.....not the end of the WORLD, but the end of an AGE.
Number 5---Is there really more of these or just more news coverage of such?
If the internet is so bad, then why are you using it to spread mis translations on fear? Jeuss said to live in the moment--not wory about what is to come..so why do you not do as Christ says and not your church doctrine? Do you know how many mistranslations are in that book and how mny times it has been translated? Do you know Hebrew or what was written when and when things wer taken out of tht book for the sake of controlling the populous? Did Jesus really do and say everthing that OTHERS have said he did? Heresay is not permissible in courts and it is not taken highly in any thing--all the Bible is is heresay.
I never stated the internet was bad. It's a great way to spread the gospel. I've never mentioned my church I'm not a member of any church, but I do go to church regularly. I don't worry, God is in control. You keep mentioning fear. Are you afraid? Put your faith in God and he will give rest. If you ever want to talk LG, not only about God, but anything else I'm here.
Yeah that is the problem. Too many spreading the gospel instead of living it. Get a bad reaction to your preaching the gospel? Oh dear - maybe if you lived a sin free life instead of getting the gospel afterwards?... Who knows? Per marital sex, child out of wedlock, preaching to those who have no need and turning them away from the word of god instead of living it.
You are going to burn in hell for all eternity, girl. I pity you.
Hello again Mark, "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", but "For God so loved the world he gave is only son that whosoever believes in him will not perish, but have everlasting life"
"Jesus paid it all,
All to Him I owe;
Sin had left a crimson stain,
He washed me white as snow"
I love that song
HE didn't leave anyone out! Imagine that--everyone is cleansed. Preach no more-everyone is saved!!!
It is just a song. You cannot behave the way you behave and then all of sudden that does not matter any more. The best you can hope for is millions of years in purgatory for this. Simple fact is - your sins came after jesus tole you about them, yet you chose to do them anyway. Free will = burn in hell forever. Sorry. I pity you - let's move on.
You don't get out of it that easy. No more excuse - you must pay for what you have done.
John 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
What I can do tell other my story and pray that they learn from my mistakes and seek God first and be forgiven. It simple, but not easy.
What version do you have? Good grief you speak as a christian and yet you belong to no church then you bring some more other translations into here....you will pay for lying you do know that!
Going to church doesn't make me a Christian, No more than putting my feet in dirt make me a tree, I read a lot of versions of the bible those were quoted from the New American Standard Bible.
No? You better think again! You MUST go with their doctrines to be a bonafied true believing Christian...........so says a few Christians on here who know there is one ONLY way and you aren't doing it. If you aren't with them you are against them so they say!
No sweetheart. You have been sold a bill of goods. It doesn't work that way. You cannot do as you please and then go around preaching that others should not do what you did. You have to pay for your own sins. Sorry. Read the bible.
Your story is of no interest to me. The way you have lived - that is.
And it is not as simple as you think. You think that the wages of sin is not death? Oh no. You are burning for sure. You are not saved by mouthing words. Sorry. I pity you.
You're right you can't just say forgive me you must forsake sin, and sin no more, live the word of God and be baptized. Thx for pointing that out.
John 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
It is rather offensive that you keep doing this. You must pay for your sins, sorry that is the way it is. Getting wet doesn't do it any more. No sirree. You are burning. FSM told me this into my head in a dream. Sorry. He who sins then say I believe is a hypocrite and will burn. For sure. It is no good reading this new newfangled american bible. The real one is clear. Read the original Aramaic and you will see you are burning. Sorry. I pity you.
Hey - Why pick on us? - What about the Catholics and the Proddies?
Seriously - there have been cults, false prophets, natural disasters, wars, pestilences, hatred, betrayal and general nastiness for thousands of years. Pick any year over the past two millenia and I am pretty sure that you could say much the same things. The Black Death must have been a bit of a bummer - and we complain about swine flu.
LG - I love that song!
It was in the movie HAIR LOL al ong time ago eh? LOL
Here is a youtube of it.....
Thanks for the biblical quotes about end times spiderpam but doesn't the book also say that there will be a thousand years of peace then the devil will be let loose to do what he liked with the world for a period of 1000 years? Ok if this were true no-one can deny that last millenium belonged to him. Compared to the 1st and 2nd world war and all the little ones in between the wars of the past while were trivial, the civil war is quoted as being the bloodiest in history. 25 million lives were lost in the 2nd world war alone. As far as diseases- aids, ebola, resin, hepatitis and the MANY sexual diseases, sars, and the many many viruses that were or are still out there killing people, the millions who have and still are dying of starvation, I could go on and as far as wars the "book" teaches that the 3rd world war will be the war to end ALL wars because it will be his. We all don't have to be scholars to know that as long as there's 2 or more people on this earth there will be wars. If the last millenium wasn't his I'd be terribly worried at what else he could throw at us. And what happened to the thousand years of peace before all these horrible things are to happen or do I have it backwards? Even if I had it backwards given the last millenium shouldn't 2000 to 3000 be the 1000 years of peace? And yet with more technology things get worse for us. There has NEVER in the history of man been even 100 years of peace nevermind a 1000 and as I said once before the whole "book" is either true or it's fiction, you can't pick things you think are true so from the year1000 to 2000 that period most definately belonged to the Devil it's something to think about
This rumour about 2012 was started when someone sent out a chain email. There was a case back in 1999 when someone sent a mail that bananas from Costa Rica are infected with flesh-eating bateria. It described the mechanism how the bacteria eats up approx. 2 cm human flesh per hour. This mail then spread all over and Costa Rican banana sales fell sharply.
First of all, don't assume everyone believes the world is going to end in 2012. It could end tomorrow for all that you know. Believing in that crap is like having a personal desire to see misery and died. Lady, I like you and all- but this post sounded like something from the 16th century. Surely mankind has evolved more intellectually than that.
If this world ends I wouldn't mind as long as they find another planet for us to populate by ourselves or co-habitate with a benevolent species. It's not just religion that's propagating these doom and gloom scenerios, it's science and politics as well. After all, global warming and nuclear war are a clear and present danger to our survival on this planet.
The Mayan, Hopi and other prophecies that say the world will end in 2012 are not Biblical truth.
Matthew 24:36 - "But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone."
I'm not saying that we are not close though. The anti-christ has to sit in the temple as if he were God first (2 Thessalonians 2), then it will be 42 months after that (Revelations 13:5).
So if we see the anti-christ sitting in the temple by next month there's still a chance for 2012, but I doubt it.
It doesn't seem like it will be in our future that the Anti-Christ sitting in the Temple when they are still fighting on who should build in in Israel! I watched the news the other night and Israel is buinding housing there next to the Palestinian Board and the leader is blaming the US for allowing it. It's their country--they should control it! Next thing you'll hear is that Palestne is going to bomb all the new buidlings that Israel is building--or wait until they are completed.
No, the world is not ending anytime soon.
The 2012 Mayan prdictions may not be Biblical, but the second set of links I gave are Biblical!
Biblical truth is not a lie, because God never lies. The Bible does not say there will be end of the world at least not now. God promised to Israel that earth is to be poses forever. But tribulation will come. It is not going to be pretty. Billions people will die. The believers are going to be spared. Are you the believer?
One time God is going to recycle the heaven and the earth. We will have new heaven and new earth.
You tell me that when you read all the stuff that I have posted...then you can tell me whatever you want.
Jesus never said to treat others differently!!! Whomever played with the original words and whoever played with what was to go into that Bible and what didn't they tell you these things----For what purpose? These things I do not lie about!
Of course he does. It was him sent the snake in the first place,
I don't think any of the biblical information is a lie...but that it is the interpretation by any specific individual that makes the difference.
The world is ending, in a sense. It is gradually changing to another level of vibratory consciousness. It is raising to a level of greater love...it just looks bad because some souls are fighting the change, or not interpreting change in the most loving ways possible, so it feels 'not good or right' and they react in not good ways, because their ego believes it should be different, and its up to them to make it so.
The possibilities of how people are viewing the current situation and the future we could create, are as unique as each individual.
The more most people work in a positive movement toward a more loving change will keep 'all hell from breaking loose' and destroying everything in the physical at once.
And the most important bit of information is that when we change our sense of the spiritual components of life and not just the mental, emotional and physical/environmental, I mean that if every soul purposefully began to seek a more loving sense of spirituality in their life, desired to become more in alignment with the Order of the Universe of Love and Peace (God's Will), than things would go much more easily into the new level.
As it is now, there are too many factions that believe only their way is the way, and want to control for the sake of their ego sense of power and greed, or because they believe they know better than others.
The world will definitely end. If its written in the Bible, its settled but no one knows when. Its imminent though because we are now going through the signs of the end times which was written in the Bible.
Uh...the world is not going to end. The Bible points to the return of christ, but not the end of the world...End of life as we know it but not the end of the world.
Literally in hebrew the world for "heaven" is Olam HaBaa...which means the coming world...or world to come. According to Jewish theology, this is an extension of this world
When God took Adam and Eve into the garden, it was to train them to be able to make good from evil choices. That is why there were two trees they were meant to eat from both...but only after they were ready. Ready to have the knowledge and say no...and then they would eat from the tree of life and have eternal life.
Throughout the histroy of the bible, everything was repeated and each time it was perfected in a more perfect manner (this is harder to explain...it would need five hubs to do it). So the Olam HaBaa is the coming of the new world, or reverting back to the Garden of Eden and what life on earth was meant to be...knowledge and choosing between good and evil and then having eternal life.
So no, I don't think the world will end, but the opposite. There was never a beginning to the world so there will never be an end. There was a beginning to life as we know it with creation and there will be a different end to life as we know it now.
Alright, even though they claim salvation, organized religion and the God they claim to serve have nothing to do with one another. The 2012 A.D. theory is a Mayan belief, and I gotta tell ya, taking into consideration the science behind this theory. I'll just say that it makes for some pretty interesting reading, if you're into that sort of thing Finally nowhere in the Bible does it speak of the world ending. "Armagedon" leads us into a new age, and we'll still be standing on the same rock. Oh yeah Armagedon (valley of Megido) is the name of a place, not the name of an event that takes place.
In all I would encourage you to read the Bible and do a little research on this mayan theory before writing up another half ass post like this.
Ya gonna stand around till 2012 A.D. what are you waiting for A-CER-TAIN-SHADE-OF-GREEN............
I suggest you read the thread a bit further and see the other things that was offered. Don't jump to conclusions so fast or you will be guilty of the ASS--U--ME thing too!
I'd suggest you read back through this thread yourself LG. What Crawling Surface just posted is what a lot of us have been trying to tell you all along but you don't listen. Especially this line "Finally nowhere in the Bible does it speak of the world ending."
As one who is deeply religious, this is the first I have heard of the world ending in 2012!!!!!!!!!
No doubt you have been reading the biblical "interpretations" of some crackpot - either that or you've had a few beers this afternoon!
May I suggest you read a few more Religious Forum Posts and some Religious HUBS before you make a comment like that.
Why? They are irrelevant and have absolutely no bearing whatsoever upon this standalone post you made. You chose to start a new thread. You did not "refer" to previous postings on any other. People who read new threads cannot be expected to "research" the motivation of the person who starts them!
What if someone who has never even been on Hub Pages before reads your post? They are not going to take the time to browse the entire site prior to responding to your frankly offensive post!
Which particular religion do you follow?
There are more than one you know. Some of them little more than cults I accept, but still......
Myself? - I am an advocate of FSM - some would say prophet (pbum) - come to sweep away the political religionists - muslimism and christianism.
Eagerly awaiting your answer - because at least 17 religions to my knowledge call for the end of time 2012.
I bow to your clearly superior knowledge of different faiths and their ascribed beliefs. I can comment only on one - my own. I am a Presbyterian.
It is worth noting perhaps, however, that I did not say that the world will or will not end in 2012. I simply stated that the Bible does not make any literal such predictions and that the belief is certainly not part of my religion.
The point here is regarding Lady Guinevere's misguided posting without reference, least of all substantiation.
Well I guess you don't have to follow a particular religion to be branded as religious. An ardent follower of ethics also could be identified as "religious." That way YOU too are religious. (No offense meant.)
Gosh, I can't resist this thread.
Gordon, I take the 2012 date with a grain of salt just like the Bible. I think the world will end if we want it to, and not if we don't. Christians are just some of the first of recent times to use the end times as a way to build a following. Americans are very end times oriented compared to other countries.
Does humankind value life enough to help it continue? I think that's the real question the world will face together in the next 100 years or so.
When the world will end; Only the Creator Allah/God knows.. We personally can assume but assumptions / imaginations are totally different than relaties
Anyone that doesn't know about the religious meaning of 2012 must be sharing a cave with Bin Laden. I for one really fear that the world will end in 2012 because signs point to it, laugh all you want but trust me don't go buying a 2013 Diary !
Nope - simply that they don't spend ten hours a day in the Hub Pages forums.
So you also in your spare time dictate what people do with their time ?
Oh really I kinda think the above quotes you in your interest in their time on hubs. Secondly this is the religious forum so if you didn't come in how are you here, life is indeed a mystery, doncha think ?
Simply read what I wrote. When one simply accesses forums, (in general,) all forums are listed. It is not a case of accessing the Religious forum, the Food forum...or the anything else forum!
Please note that I am tired of this pointless issue (it has now been more than milked dry!) and although I was looking forward to what I expect would at least have been a constructive response from Mark Knowles, I will no longer be accessing the thread.
Popping off instead to watch some paint dry!
I am not sharing a cave with Bin Laden and I just learned of the 2012 at the end of last week from a post in the forum. This surprised me because I thought I was really up on this stuff. I must be losing my touch. LOL!
With all due respect,people have been predicting the "end of the world" since time began and, IMO, they will go on predicting it long after New Year's Day 2013.
LG is not misguided and is a Lady who does not post without having something worthy to say. I really find it hard to believe you have come into the relious forum knowing not a thing about 2012, methinks it is you that is misguided my friend.
Firstly, I did not, "Come in to the religious forum." I accessed this post from the main index.
Secondly, the fact that your friend is indeed misguided is not open to debate. She made what amounts to an extremely offensive post in its standalone context regarding other threads which readers should not necessarily be expected to be aware of. She should either have referred very specifically to same or confined herself to responding to them. I have already covered the scenario of new Hubbers, etc. New threads are viewed in their own right - fact!
Thirdly, your spare time is entirely outwith my field of interest. The comment was simply in relation to the developing nature of the thread - nothing more.
Firstly, I did not, "Come in to the religious forum." I accessed this post from the main index.
Was that by the way of the Forums Title at the top of the page on the main Hubpage page? If so on the side whre the messages are listed it states which forum it is posted in--so you would have to know which forum you were getting into.
Now no where did I say that I believed these things, but some do and have said so. For me to take it up with a specific person, I would not make a forum post to allow others to tell us what they believe or have heard. This is what the forums are for--are they not?
Pardon me if you think that I am misguided---I would tell the same to others, even new hubbers, that they should go research what they believe and what is being said too. This seems to go along with some resligiouns who don't want you to search on your own for answers. You accused me of taking this hub in a certain direction. It was not being taken anywhere until you first posted your dislike for the things that I have said.
Mark is busy at the moment and he will get back to you. When he says he will, you can be sure that he will. He is on a different time zone than you. Give him that courtesy and respect.
Well I guess I'm mis-guided also. I never heard about this 2012 end-date until I read this post.
I don't care. I will live life as positively as I can and if the world ends 12 Midnight, Jan 1, 2012, so be it.
If not, so be it.
The only things I know for sure about 2012 is...
It follows 2011.
It's a leap year.
It's a year of the Dragon (my Chinese Zodiac sign).
Far as I'm concerned, that's good enough. I can't control if the world ends or not, not gonna get all uptight over it whether it ends or doesn't or keeping up when the next predicted date is.
So, where's this cave Bin Laden's in because I need to find my way back home, evidently.
Whether or not the world ends... well, I just have to say, Our world will end eventually, no one will live forever. Live your life the best you can, do right by yourself and others... do what you love... spending ten hours a day in hub forums or whatever, just don't disappoint yourself and the people you love and who depend on you to be a good person.
According to my Religious upbringing, no one know the time or date but God himself. I have read the book about the world ending in 2012 and even the book for dummies on that subject. Alot of formulations come from that book bases on science. It is a very popular belief. Either way there is nothing we can do about it. I must add that I do hoard or save constantly Medical supplies, antibiotic ointment and herbs not because i think the world will "end" in 2012 but simply because we never know, no one knows. Spend your days being positive, do unto others, and in general be a good person. That's all we can do.
Not argue over who is right or wrong. You never know when you will need someone who never thought possible. Maybe I just watched Jericho too much before it was taken off the air.!
My mother always told me to keep Religion and Politics opinions to myself, now I know why. You guys need a referee? Got on my outfit.
Means world is going to end I cant predict..
But if so then people will become more hazardous for world..
If the world don't end, then good & well for all of us! We'll still be here and live our lives.
Their interpretations regarding this matter are their understanding and explanation. And so it may or may not happen depending on the correctness of their understanding.
And if it doesn't end (as it won't) will that finally put an end to the nonsense? I bet it doesn't
I concur Paraglider, this has been going on for a very long time and keeps recurring.
There is a lot of nonsense in this world. Some of the things that have sense to one may be nonsense to another. Some things will prove its sense in its own time, and some things will just be nonsense forever.
You win the bet! Lunatics are born as often as suckers are!
Another example of the word 'misinterpreted'
The Q was "what if the world does not end" - not "what do you think about the world ending in ... "
Has anyone answered your Q yet Lady?
I'm going to have a look
If they think we are all going to die I wonder just how many made an appointement and aggangemenst for their burials?
When they interpreted the Mayan Prophesy of the end, and the same goes for the Biblical, the word world was used intead of AGE ending. A big difference doncha think?
Then if you sing or say the Christian Doxology it says at the end---"World WITHOUT End, Amen". How many people miss this and still cling to the world ending. It is becasue they would rather think that the world ending will take care of all their mistakes and all those people they HATE (yes Hate) will be taken care of. It is a cop-out. When the world does not end--who are they going to worship then and just how many know how to really forgive and become self-responsible for their own actions and not blame someone else?
Whatever starts - ends. Unless it's eternal. This world has a beginning, and WILL end. Some "believe" soon, some "believe" in millions of years. Our rationalist friends remind us of scientific theories and knowledge all the time. Astronomy teaches that stars have a "life cycle", too. So, if the sun ends, so will our world.
In another sense, the world has already ended (several hundred times). By that, I am refering to the world as a "society" or culture, not the physical matter we are made of/in. The world of the people even 50 years ago is gone.
I agree with you on that. Nothing can go back--only forward and as such every moment is new and each moment that passes is no more--ended. There really is no ending--only beginning.
If this earth is destroyed we and it will only be someplace and doing something else. We never die or cease to exist, we only change..............and that is wehre these people whom fear everything are coming from.......the hate change--any kind. Only they don't realize it but you cannot, ever stop changing.
If the world ends, who will God govern and what will he do and who will he punish? Do any of you think for one second that God would just get rid of his "chess board" and have absolutely nothing to do with his time? Do you really think we are his only substenance? Are we the only reason that he lives?
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revalation
And the mind's true liberation
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
The age of Aquarius
Another article to read: http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/29/022.html
Have we also forgotten about the end times they predicted with the Y2K Computer thing with the Dates not allowing for the 2000 year and beyond?!!
They were sure the world was going to end!!
I think my response to this question is along the lines yours is here.
If the world doesn't end in 2012 (which I somehow doubt it will, based on the number of other "end-of-the-world" dates I've lived through; everyone will just come up with a new date when the world will be "supposed to" end.
I was just doing some research into this whole 2012 thing, and had just finished reading about the Rapture and Satan etc. Then went to check my Adsense and my earnings were $6.66.
Could this be an omen predicting the end of days?
I once ordered some food at a little hole in the wall; the charge for the order came up to $6.66. The cashier became very concerned and asked if I would like to alter my order. After declining and scoffing at his superstitious concern, he discounted my order by .05 to avoid the dangers of a $6.66 transaction.
In Ireland, I used to motorcycle along the R666 road every day. As far as I am aware, I did not die horribly
I'm so glad you seem to be reasonably sure about that.
Still undecided - I keep getting an urge to eat people's brains, so I am wondering if I am actually a zombie. It would explain a few things
Such serendipity - Wayne has just released a hub with a picture of me - I am the fourth one down, with a missing hand
http://hubpages.com/hub/drawing-a-zombi … nt=1117692
Oh -- you look a little ragged there, Sufi. . .
That might just have something to do with the raki
lol, brilliant, I'll try to use that in future, maybe if I can make all my daily grocery purchases add up to 666 I can save a few notes here and there.
As above, so below.........is the above going to be wiped out too along with the earth??? According to this heaven will be no more either and neither hell--nor earth..............hmmmm
Just called Dan Brown. He said the world actually WILL end in 2012, so there is nothing to talk about.
You don't think that you are gpoing to heaven then. You must put that out of your mind----As Above-So Below
You do realize that the "bible" is listed as a fictional body of collective works. So just because the bible says so- isn't a good enough argument. Now off you go with this piece of advice; make sure you get started on your "Santa list" early this year.
The Bible also says adulterers should be put to death and that the victims of a polygamist should be "burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you" (Leviticus 20:14). Children learn in freshmen college courses that it is not advisable to take any admonition in the Bible literally; nor is quoting the Bible sound evidence of research or proof of a truth.
World Record for Doomsday Predictions
Probably the group with the largest number of incorrect Doomsday predictions is the ‘Jehovah's Witnesses’ who have throughout their time predicted that the world will end in: 1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975 and most recently in 1984.
http://hubpages.com/hub/2012-The-End-of … Prediction
Apologies for the shameless grabbing of a back-link.
If they keep it up on a regular basis, then sooner or later they'll get it right......
Here's is another version for you that was before the version you are using,
11`Verily, verily, I say to thee -- What we have known we speak, and what we have seen we testify, and our testimony ye do not receive;
12if the earthly things I said to you, and ye do not believe, how, if I shall say to you the heavenly things, will ye believe?
13and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down -- the Son of Man who is in the heaven.
14`And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up,
15that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during,
16for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
17For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;
18he who is believing in him is not judged, but he who is not believing hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Does this make it clearer to you how twisted the Bible can and is. This is only one other version ad there be many other version and even changed and thing taken away in the 6th, 8th and 15th Centuries. No one today has the original version or the entire books and "SOME" have had blinders put on about what is part of the Bible and what is not.
Why do Christians always have to quote scripture? They don't know how to have a constructive debate or conversation without it. Unbelievable and very predictable. BORING!
Well she ain't no Christian because she doesn't belong to a church. I only do it to clarify their translations. I know with another translation--but that is the point. They can only see scripture......so I point out that scripture only I use the whole paragraph and not just a sentence.
Well, Lady Guin: I just need to know what to do with all these party favors I left in, if the world doesn't end. . .
Hahaha, I wonder why we are all sweating the big stuff with our mutal funds, taxes----Oh How is it going to go with the Tax Collectors--what will they say if you tell them you don't need to pay them because the world is gonna end? Hahahaha!
Hey did anyone think of the animals or the insects or other life here on this planet---God just wants to wipe out the humans---what about the rest of the planet--they did nothing wrong! Are Christian's selfish and think only of themselves?
I may be mistaken -- but isn't the general Christian belief that animals don't have souls?
Yeah, only humans have souls....does that also mean ET's. I don't believe that myself. I think Animals have souls and ET's and just about everything we choose to create.
Animals do have a souls. But they do not have a spirit.
Tell us in your words what the difference is.
Have you ever seen an animal fight because of the fear it will die? Have you ever seen domestic animlas think or have emotions? What is Soul versus Sprit--and what do they have to do with mind, emotions, thinking and automatic responses? Here we go into another tanget!
Well, that's you assumption I guess. Or, lets have some facts to support that.
I don't usually jump in on such volatile topics, but I'm just in that kinda mood today. So here's my thought on your question about what will happen if the world doesn't end in 2012. Whether it ends in 2012, 2014, 4060, or tomorrow makes no difference whatsoever to me. I am confident of what will happen upon my death, whether it be by natural causes, murder, drowning, being run over by a pack of mules being chased by wild camels looking for an oasis, or the rapture occuring. It's not my timing. I'm just here until it's over. I can't change it, so why worry about it.
I'm here to watch the mules being chased by wild camels. I'll push you out of the way if they come near you LM!
Seriously, what would anyone do differently if they knew the exact day for sure? Waste time worrying, I suspect.
Religion or not, the world is getting to be a shaky place. But one could die any day. So plan for the future, but live for the day.
lady g is damn crazy..... who told you that the world is ending in 2012? probably a fortune teller or you're just making it up. the world is going to end but noone, not even the brainies atheistical scientist knows
Well you are not reading things on the internet. It is all over the Science sites and religious ones too. It is not my problem you are not up to date.
It seems a bit harsh and judgemental to publicly condemn someone as 'damn crazy' for their beliefs. You're entitled to yours, just like she is entitled to hers.
These are just on Hubpages:
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-End-of-The- … u-Be-Doing
http://hubpages.com/hub/Will-the-world- … nd-in-2012
http://hubpages.com/hub/End-Times-Predi … c-Collapse
http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Mayan-Calen … r-21--2012
http://hubpages.com/hub/2012endofdaysea … redictions
I could go on and on.........
And here are some En Time Prophest sites for Christians:
http://www.adishakti.org/mayan_end_time … 1-2012.htm
and I could go on and on about these too.........
Mankind always hangs by a thread. We will keep finding solutions if we can get rid of the neurosis that fills too may of our waking moments!
Since 2012 is my specialty i feel a need to add my two cents here.
Anyone who has taken the time to study the many predictions and prophecies that revolve around 2012 will have made the connection between cyclical based religions and linear based religions. The work of those who claim 2012 to be the end of the Mayan calendar baktun cycle does have some merit but it is a longshot.
What is 2012 anyway? The list is long...it's 3113BC to 2012 AD and a conversion of linear time to cyclical time represented the end of the baktun cycle. Therefore an end and a new beginning. It's one of five ages that adds up to the 26000 year cycle the precession of the equinox..the wobble of the earth. It's the second phase of the 2004 and 2012 venus transit. It's the possible coming wrath of solar cycle 24. It's the alignment of core of the milky way galaxy and another transit which involves the solar system, the constellation Ophiucus and the core of the rift. It's the possibility that certain energies will travel along that channel and "drug, hypnotize, alter the consciousness of humanity" into something paranormal. It's the possibility that Aliens will be able to use some sort of stargate that only opens up every 13000 or 26000 years and return to complete a war in heaven, which in my opinion is a war from the neighbors of Ophiucus; the serpentine twin constellation of Serpens Cauda and Serpent Caput.
In that case it's a return of overlords of the heavens and they will be around for as long as the stargate is open.
But 2012 is absolutely nothing until it happens.
I don't think it is the end of the world but it might be the apocalypse and the rise of the darkside, or the zeitgeist of Tezcatlipoca, the arch enemy of Quetzalcoatl. Therefore a war of spirit that culminates in the elimination of a vast number of humans.
The battle is a feast and if the spirit of Gabriel or Michael calls out the spirit of Lucifer then the latter will defend is overlord status.
And if 2012 is that then 2013 is the beginning of the golden age of the Satya Yuga or divine time of harmony of the Brahma.
Cyclical calendars are closer to untime and the supernatural than linear civil calendars that work to arrest humanity to do the bidding of the pretentious overlords.
But that just my opinion.....
The only doomsday prediction that worries me is the Mayan one. Whether you believe them or not, fact is there are so many things that can cause a doomsday scenario and we can't predict much of that.
Shifting of the Earth's magnetic poles is one. But that apart, there might be numerous physical phenomena that happen in the Universe that we are not yet aware of. Black holes - we keep discovering them all over the place - some much closer to comfort. So, who knows??
While one can be dismissive of doomsday predictors - one can't get away from the fact that our existence on this Earth is fragile - we are hoping nothing bad happens. But, its just as likely that something bad could happen.
Hopefully, humans would have mastered space travel and would have discovered new habitable worlds before we are threatened with extinction. It would be sad to go with no record of us having existed on this Earth.
Animals have spirit....a spirit that draws them to their own kind. It's intuitive. They don't have freedom of choice as far as i know which sets them apart from humans in the grandeur spirit of oneness.
I think i understand "sin" today like i have never before. Someone mentioned tangent a few posts ago. Sin is good in a sense since it allows humans to experience life away from the perfect center of truth. Truth is undeniable and as Walt Whitman so well put it, "nature knows not words and nature never lies". We all fly off on tangents and it helps us learn, those with conscience quickly make amends and return to the center but never for long. Those who are without conscience take sin to the extreme of tangents and render nature to her most chaotic form. But nature never lies and even Lucifer who is the most far off on a tangent eventually loses the battle to the Archangels and the spirit of time regresses to harmony. The perfect harmonics of the cosmos is attained for a time but the cycle repeats itself....over and over and over and over again..
It's the same for the macro environment as it is for the micro environment.
After all in the grandest of pictures it is oneness.
Lucifer is a made up myth and was used to explain some of the atrocities of nature when men were the real perpetrators. Kind of like an excuse and then religions saw a use for it to control everyone.
Now I was a bit taken aback when I first read the beginning of you post, but then thought about the nature and how it never lies---it doesn't hold the trith to iself and make everyone veleive the same as someone else either and it doesn't hide anything and tell others that it is the ONLY way.
You wuld be wrong concerning animals don't go with others not ther kind--evelution teaches something different---and maybe that is why religiouns don't like evolution---because it evolves into other things in nature---but then you say nature doesn't lie. Humans don't goe with other species either, but they do go with differnt sects of their own kind, same as dogs and cats and some others.
Sin is the supression of knowing and it was only used by religions. It's like God (not his real name so you can't take that in vain) saying we aren't good enough.........then again that is wrong becasue God name everything good--EVERYTHING----no sin until man couldn't understand why things went wrong. They really didn't go wrong because without the wanting to know more---none of this would even be here to begin with. Therefore there can be no end because until everyone learns and seeks and finds and does all the What If's it will continue to go on and on and on.....
God won't end it becasue it was not in his contract to do so. It is MAN who thinks these things becaue they think that they can do all the harm to another and then God will step in and clean it all up by destroying it all---what a joke!! He didnt do it, we did and we have to clean it up.
So what are you going to do when he doesn't clean up your mess?
Once again this proves what I've been saying about religion, all you people r arguing about the world ending in 2012. Where do you get this information unless its science as the BIBLE I've read states that the lord will come "like a thief in the night" as to when NO_ONE knows according to the "book" not even He. MAN will be this worlds undoing NOT God that I can guarantee. And for the record the Bible says God will never destroy the earth again so I'm assuming when you refer to the world ending you mean the people
I don't feel like quoting the whole thing you said Lady Guinevere but i guess in the end it's all a personal choice we make....
The other day i had an major argument with a bill collector. Her reason for doing that particular job was that it made her feel like a part of society. "A contributor to society" as she put it. To me that type of work is a contribution to "the demise of society". But she believes she is doing right by one spirit and i believe i am doing right by telling her to stick her bill up her asp...snakes bug me!!!!
I figure the end game is that i'll never borrow money from a bank again since my name is mud....but to me that's a good thing since it makes me work harder at finding ways to earn money...not adsense money...enough money through ventures that do take subjective opinion out of the game.
At which point i can tell the government and the banks to stick there allowances up their asp....that's my way of fighting suppression, socialism, and fascism.....
To me it isn't about God or Jesus Christ as much as it is about the spirit of time or the zeitgeist.
I don't believe the world will ever end. Humans might end, but it will be because of ourselves, not some divine intervention unless it's Mother Earth herself trying to purge herself of the damages humans continue to cause.
Ofcourse it will end, it was baptized in water and will be baptized with fire to obtain a celestial glory.
...and what if it doesn't? Only a very few of the world thinks this will happen. Maybe it will be just those few.
If we sacrifice burnt offerings to God, the world will not end. But the offerings must not be retarded or dirty.
I know it's going to end...i predicted it a long time ago when i said " when i figure it out (the ways of the world that is) then the world will end ".
Very nice and the truth.When all get enlightened or understand the god in them ,the world will end .All souls go back home to God.
Does that include those who live on other planets and the planets after that and so forth and so on? The Universe is infinite and everything that is in it and it doesn't ever have and ending--it just goes on and on and on. The more we see, the more we want to explore and the more we explore the more we make up to explore...........
Mentioned the word world which here signifies our planet and not the rest of this universe. Depends what you mean by world, could be our planet or the entire cosmos ,was talking about our planet.
I know you were. The scriptures from the ONE book is mistranslated in that the scholars used World instead of AGE. In light of that there needs some clarification as to what the original was because "WORLD" they used could very well signify the "Universe" and everything in it. The word "AGE" is also as vast as anyone wants it to be. What's the saying about small minds.......?
Anyways was talking about our earth, its like a big school for souls.
That it is!!! I didn't know anyone else thought of it that way. Surprise, Surprise.
Add me to the list of the "earth school" theory. Though many times I really wonder what I was thinking when I choose my lessons I wanted to learn.
A couplet from "Ponder Awhile"
"Another day, good morning hell,
What lessons for today I cannot tell. "
Hi Mo and LG,
True - the Greek word Kosmos can mean World, Universe or Population/Crowd (as in "The entire world believes that....")
Such is the difficulty of translating Greek
Take a look around The Camelot Project and watch some of the vieo's and they also have transcripts tht you can read if you can watch videos. It has nothing to do with King Arthur!
If the world dont end I can sleep with my neighbor some more
For every human being, the world ends when he dies. He cant see the so-called end of the world. Other than our own end, all the fuss about "big-bang" and other things will turn out to be farcial. As far as the earth rotates around the sun with the same speed (one full self-rotation in 24 hours and 365 days around the sun) earth will exist. If and when the speed of the earth is disturbed or lowered, there will be some strange happenings, that may be the end! That is why scientists become nervous during solar and lunar eclipse. So, the world may end any time and human beings have no say in the destiny of earth. It will be natural only. It has no divine links.
One might say that the end of the Earth will come, but I say that it will be transfigured, and that day it will burn like an oven until all manner of wickedness is consumed.
"ONE" might say X, but "I" say Y
and "YOU" are to be believed over "ONE"
ONE figure, formed in space and time as this thread is called and precieved to be a river flowing in a single direction. Is it? or could it be that existance is a tempest tossed albatross.
Is this same ONE for all the other worlds or just this one we currently live on?
One; on or in Heaven and Earth, not as the sky or the inhabitants thereof but about our single sphere of existance disassociated from the face of the deep.
You are not far from the truth madmac, we are living in the 1000 years that you speak of right now. John Nelson Darby basically corrupted the idea of the 1000 year period around the 1830's with his idea of Dispensationalism. Most of the TV evangelists and some denominations are following one form or another of Darby's Dispensationalism, with either post-tribulation premillennialism, pre-tribulation premillennialism or postmillennialism. The traditional belief of the 1000 year period has always been a symbolic millennium covering the time from the first coming of Jesus Christ until His second coming, or in Dispensationalism terms some would referred to it now as Amillennialism. Jesus Christ's first coming was for mercy, the next will be for judgment. Jesus opened the gates of heaven and cast the devil into the bottomless pit with His sacrifice on the cross, otherwise we wouldn't stand a chance against the devil. Although the devil will be let loose for a short period of time before the second coming (Revelations 20:3).
Well, I for one will be very glad if it doesn't end and don't believe it will anyway! I do not understand why anyone wants an end to this beautiful world. To my mind it is insane and anti-life and creation!
All life is programmed to live and reproduce itself not to wish for an end! It is suicidal thinking wanting the world to end and worse than that it is wishing to take everyone and everything else with you!
It is obvious that the majority of people and all animals do not want the world to end or if they did they would be killing themselves now!
YES! Thank you for your comment!!
Those who see and end to everything do have something wrong with them and thosew who want everything to end and everyone with them also have something wrong with them........Can't see anything past their own noses! They are very petty and they take no responsibility for their own actions and when things start to go wrong with their lives (lack of self thoughts) they blame it on some exterior source and then when they can't seem to get it together with themselves they want everyone to feel the same way. Misery loves company....anyone! Not me!
I am sure this has been addressed, but in case it hasn't (as I had no intention of reading almost two hundred of these), the 2012 end of world stuff is definitely not biblical. (well, I shouldn't say definitely, I haven't made it all the way through genesis, ever). Its in reference to the Mayans (or possibly Aztecs? I think its Mayans) having produced and astonishingly accurate calendar up to the year 2012. Now what was accurate, I'm not sure, I think it has to do with astrology and lunar cycles). Their date keeping simply stops, without explanation. This suggests to some that they stop because there is no time after that. I personally don't believe this is true.
I suppose the religious response is that the world does indeed end as determined in Revolutions. Let me reiterate, the Christian religious response, as I believe other religions undoubtedly have different types of views on the subject. I am not religious, as mentioned I haven't read the bible, however, it depends greatly on what exactly you mean by the world ending. According to some it is "the world as we know it" and that it has already occurred. Some give specific occurrence, usually associated with WWII (though given the reasoning behind that, I would suggest that WWI more appropriate for that logic). I would say that the world has changed from the world we know it at least dozens, more likely hundreds of times since the canonization of the bible. Ultimately, either biblically or scientifically, the earthbound world will come to an end. It is inevitable. I'm not too worried about it being in so much as this millennium, scientifically speaking, and I have no opinion biblically.
Old Catholic prayers were used for teaching. Even those that couldn't read could understand. Here's one that fits this thread.
Glory be to the Father,
and to the Son,
and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning,
and ever shall be,
world without end.
This era shall end but the world will never end. This can be verified with Revelation 21:1, 2 Peter 3:13, Isaias 65:17, and Isaias 66:22.
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