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Same Sex Marriage

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    mdawson17posted 7 years ago

    In my own personal belief I do not think that the marriage of the same sex was ever blessed by God. I am curious what my fellow hubbers response would be if they were asked if same sex marriage was ok in the eyes of God?

    1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
      Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This viewpoint doesn't really fit with the Christian idea of God.  God's supposed to lack human weakness and sin -- one of which is prejudice.

      I could reference any number of "judge not" verses from the Bible, but I have a feeling they'd be falling on deaf ears.  Too often these days religion just seems to be a convenient excuse to justify personal opinions.  Man creates God in his own image.  Ironic, no?

      1. lxxy profile image60
        lxxyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The Coffin has been Laid into the Ground...thanks Maddie. smile

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          mdawson17posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          1xxy you are so right many times people try to mold God to fit their desires in life! Often times we do not take God's warnings serious and soon regret that we had missed out on a blessing because we had not been following in the obedience of the Lord!

    2. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Same sex marriage is totally forbidden by God-ALLAH. The people of Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) were the first in the history of the world involved in this sin and they were perished.

      Qur'an, Ch 7-The Heights, V 80-84

      80. We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?

      81. "For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."

      82. And his people gave no answer but this: they said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!"

      83. But we saved him and his family, except his wife: she was of those who legged behind.

      84. And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Just what the world needs a homophobic god who kills anyone who disagrees.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          She was of those who legged behind? What the hell does that mean? and why does Lut talk like shakespeare?

      2. Rochelle Frank profile image89
        Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So then why are they still here?


        Stand back if you see any of them--  and watch out for the brimstone .

    3. Lady_E profile image82
      Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It isn't ok. Marriage is the union between a man and a woman.

      1. LondonGirl profile image91
        LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Say some religions, true. But some churches allow gay marriages, and a lot of people don't have a religious wedding anyway.

      2. Maddie Ruud profile image82
        Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Check out this video, and see if it doesn't make you think twice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTFNlYp3n20

    4. Davinagirl3 profile image59
      Davinagirl3posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Very few things are "okay" in the eyes of a fundamentalist's God.

    5. HealthCare Basics profile image82
      HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Really, has this not gone far enough for you who believe, no, interpret the bible in your terms. Two thousand years have passed and I am most sure homosexual relationships have existed throughout time forward. Just because we have gotten to a point to declare equality of rights, the religious persons are ofeended and pressing the biblical words in our face. I love it when you come knocking at my home to spread your word; I answer the door naked and introduce my partner as my wife..... That seems to get you to scatter off faster than ice on a hot day....

    6. Daniel Carter profile image89
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think anything good comes from God. Period. That's it. So love is defined as good, and what is good comes from God. So if it's between two same sex people, does that make it evil and from the Devil? And if that's that case, why would God allow Satan to turn love to a perversion.

      That's what I think.

      1. HealthCare Basics profile image82
        HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I like your thinking but cannot agree with the belief of a superior being in this time and age. We are born and we die. I have not yet met or heard from any relative who has died telling me how to continue with my life. Sexual attraction on the other hand, is what makes me happy. Who I have in my relationship, and minding all parts of respect for the general society, I should not be condenmed by those who would rather believe in a book with questionable authenticity and church manipulation as the absolute truth of a "word from God".

    7. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Same sex marriage is not allowed by God.

    8. twill4jc profile image86
      twill4jcposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Same sex marriage is WRONG PERIOD!!! How can you be fruitful and multiply with someone who has the same parts has you???!!! Besides God destroyed a whole city because of that sin!!! That alone should tell you that it is wrong!!!! But those who are gay believe what they want to believe and i will believe what the bible says and i will leave it at that.

      God bless everyone!

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The point of life is not to be "fruitful and multiply". But believe what you want smile

      2. Maddie Ruud profile image82
        Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Infertile people shouldn't get married or have sex either, then, eh?

        1. Colebabie profile image60
          Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Or even want to exist huh Maddie?

      3. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        As is the case with many bible verses quoted by people who justify their hatred of others by claiming it to be "God's word", the English translation of this Aramaic phrase is inaccurate.  The original phrase: Insertius phallum bon noogie tork, translates most accurately as: Pollination of fruit requires multiple bees.  It can be taken literally as agricultural advice or allegorically as God's favor cast upon bisexual promiscuity.

        May the blessings of FSM rain upon all.....even the haters.

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          CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Good old Ron, his Bible ever open !

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            As is his robe.

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              CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              So close the robe over you fool, do you realise how stupid you come across Ron. Are you the Ron out of Happy Days ??

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                There was no Ron on Happy Days.  Fonzie, Pottsy, Richie, Joannie, Chachi.........no Ron.

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                  CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I know Ron, it was a test to see just how boring you are, you passed !

                  1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Stupid AND boring?  What is the source of your venom?

    9. kmackey32 profile image82
      kmackey32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Who are you to say what God believes in? If 2 people are in love and want to get married its there buisness and they are not hurting me in any way. Let them do as they wish and leave them alone, its there choice...

      1. usmanali81 profile image60
        usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        We are nothing to attribute any sentence or even a word to God. God Himself is against same sex marriage or homosexuality. And we can not let them jump into hell fire. It's our duty to educate them and show them the real pictures of these Pagan practices.

    10. kmackey32 profile image82
      kmackey32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What is it to you who marries who and who are you to say god doesnt bless same sex marriages. Its really none of your buisness and how is it hurting you Id like to know?

    11. Paper Moon profile image82
      Paper Moonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      in the eyes of my god it is ok. 
      "Let he who has not sinned through the first stone."- Your God.

      1. Paper Moon profile image82
        Paper Moonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh wait, not your god.  My bad.  Well by all means, throw stones then.

    12. fishmox profile image59
      fishmoxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't mind homos marrying each other as long as they get married by a government bureaucrat or somebody authorized by law to marry, or if they want to they can marry in a "church" that is so twistedly liberal it thinks "God understands" and all that crap.

      They can't get married in our church, that's for sure, but they're welcome to sit down and listen to the Word of God if they fancy themselves Christians too.  Hell, that word's been so overused anyway they can have it as well.
      And they'll have to squirm in their seats or leave if the subject of the preacher should happen to be their lifestyle, which the preacher will probably not preach on with them around out of respect for their sensibilities.

      Why do I not mind them getting married ?

      Because (1) government wants to dip its fangs and claws into something which is God-ordained by usurping the authority to declare which marriage is valid and which is not based on those stupid pieces of paper that is supposed to be a binding contract and which is more often than not used as "hankies" and toilet paper once the sexual attraction flies out the window and the divorce attorney is called in, which brings us to number (2) those pieces of paper are what these homos are after anyway.  Something which guarantees rights to the offending party's moolah and jaguars or the like.  Only a very small percentage of these people want to marry for God's blessings (which I do not believe can be found even in so-called "straight" marriages) which they absolutely do not have and which I can say with absolute certainty they will not have, or God is not God at all.

      My two shits' worth.

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        wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The word "homo" is politically incorrect, they'd prefer to be called "gay" or "homosexual".

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You got it right in the end... god is not god at all

          1. fishmox profile image59
            fishmoxposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The word "gay" is a beautiful, descriptive English word and I refuse to refer to their sexual preference with that word.
            Homosexual, yes, I can live with that.
            Homo was used not to spite them, so I apologize to any homosexual I may have offended.




            Yes, I did, but not for the same reason you say the same thing.
            Cheers.

  2. Inspirepub profile image88
    Inspirepubposted 7 years ago

    I think that love and commitment are always OK in the eyes of God.

    I think people should read what God said about love in "Conversations With God" before making any guesses or pronouncements about His point of view.

    Jenny

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Love and commitment are always OK but not in the deception of art, love and humanity, same sex could be allowed.

    2. gurgel1 profile image61
      gurgel1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, but it is kind of weird.

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image85
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    If you do a search you will find that this topic has been discussed ad nauseum...

  4. Pete Maida profile image59
    Pete Maidaposted 7 years ago

    I don't know why I'm going to answer this.  Clearly the person doesn't want an answer, but I will anyway.  If you believe in what the Bible tells you then it is clear that God doesn't need anyone's help.  How many times does it have to be written before devout believers can figure that out?
    If God doesn't like same sex marriage he or she will deal with the perpetrators on judgement day.  That is what judgement day is for isn't it?  People shouldn't be trying to play God on Earth; God probably likes that less than same sex marriage.

    1. Justin McMarshall profile image61
      Justin McMarshallposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you Pete for making such a point i cant believe the ignorance of the Religious community on this subject and i hope one day we can come to resolution. But a this time in our societies birth i believe that we are not intelligent enough as a whole to accept any other marriage than one between two heterosexual couples.

      1. HealthCare Basics profile image82
        HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Does that statment mean you are into group sex?

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't think a marriage between two heterosexual couples really works for the religious folks. yikes

        1. Justin McMarshall profile image61
          Justin McMarshallposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          LOL, I just realized what I wrote. LOL I don't think two couple marrying would be widely accepted at all by religious and/or social groups in general.

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      hardrubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i think they need to see first what GOD can actually do to them because of what they are doing... maybe they are just waiting for the Judgement day. All i can say is, they should be afraid on what they may recieve from God in return.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What god? Don't threaten people with your invisible tooth fairy.

      2. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Says the guy who's name is "hardrub"?

  5. aniketgore profile image68
    aniketgoreposted 7 years ago

    I rem someone named mohhmad was asking questions like this back 2 months ago

    1. apeksha profile image61
      apekshaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ya n he hang on to that subject unless and untill he posts 1000s of comments in forums..like he did in subject Islam or Religion..

  6. lxxy profile image60
    lxxyposted 7 years ago

    To be completely honest, marriage needs to be shelved.

    You don't know what it's for anymore.

    And it's mostly to lock up a man into a relationship so if he ever cheats, the woman gets more.

    In California, anyway.

    It's a legally binding contract.

    It's also a thing between a couple and a church.

    But, more importantly, it's a legally binding contract.

    That...again, is mostly for the woman.

    Ahh, marriage. ;D Why can't you just live together, have kids or not, and not worry about having to lock yourselves into something? You worry that you'll want out of it later? I mean, divorce and all..but I digress.

    Hey, all I'm really trying to say is...marriage is funny. Weddings are great, though. But marriage...meh..seems like a lot of work for something people apparently don't believe in, since they have to have someone validate their union.

    But thats just my .04 cents, and you're free to fire back. I'm not here to change anyones minds.

  7. Capable Woman profile image79
    Capable Womanposted 7 years ago

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  8. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Mdawson,
          You need to get off your parade here. What, you have a church somewhere in Boofunk, whatever.... You may not understand how two people can be attracted to each other. Surely, you found someone who submissive to you, but that is what the religious peeps declare as "the mans right".....

    Grow up, open your mind, if you are bothered by Gay people then do not marry us........... Stay in the dark, rub wood, and preach your "God said this" stories..........

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I concur. It is nobody else's business and it is nobody's god's business either!

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I second that! big_smile

      2. tksensei profile image60
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Those in favor of gay marriage do themselves no favors by attacking religion in general, IMO.

        A lot of people who have no problem with gay marriage are religious people in whatever form they practice. A small minority is not going to advance its cause by alienating a large majority, many of whom might otherwise be quite amenable to their views.

        1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
          Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          There are some people who attack religion in general, to be sure, but I think a lot of people are only objecting to intolerant religion.

          And, to be fair, the question was posed in the context of religion, at least on this thread.

          1. tksensei profile image60
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sure, but we see in many threads here that the reaction to anything religious is (by some) "Oh, silly religion! You people don't think for yourselves!" or "Your superstitious nonsense is the root of oppresion!" or some such thing. That is not going to expand the field of those who might support the cause in question.

            People who do nothing but shout "religion is stupid! religion is stupid!" are as bad as the people who do nothing but shout "god hates you! god hates you!"

            Gotta take a practical approach.

            1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
              Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, there certainly are some of those.  wink

        2. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It is still nobody else's business or their god's business either!

          1. tksensei profile image60
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That really addresses what I said not at all. I think everyone gets it by now that you call yourself an atheist.

  9. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    When you get flat homophobic statements like the one above, complete with "proof" from the Quoran I have usually got something to say, and that ain't gonna stop soon.

    1. tksensei profile image60
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't stop, but maybe consider addressing the individual bigot and not denouncing entire faiths.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Any faith that preaches fear and hate leaves itself open to be examined by all.Even those who have the same faith can deny any of these statements if they are not in the book that has been quoted from.

        1. tksensei profile image60
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Examining is one thing, denouncing an entire faith is another. Not saying you were necessarily doing that, just making a general point.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I would rather focus on the outrageous claims made against same sex marriages.

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          mdawson17posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You speak much truth earnestshub when you say that words of hatred are seeking the wrath of their God! Many times we get caught up judging one another for the sake of our own personal gain! All individuals have the right to live as they desire and we as fellow people should allow them that right!

  10. JonTutor profile image59
    JonTutorposted 7 years ago

    My vote of support goes to Earnestshub for speaking out against the nonsense written by that dude Usman. There are places in Islamic countries where such attitude incites folks out there to resort to hate crimes against homosexuals....Religion is a personal choice but if it ends up making folks like him nut cases then earnestshub is justified in speaking out. Just in case that guy barges...I am a straight guy.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for the kind words Jon, the guy just seethes with hatred. I'm straight but I am not going to see this fear driven tripe without saying my piece.

  11. soni2006 profile image46
    soni2006posted 7 years ago

    Same sex marriage has started in India also....

  12. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    I will apologize for the harseness of my previous statement. Maybe I had a wee bit more caffiene than usual. Gay Pride in San Diego consisted of a huge parade lasting several hours from start to finish. It was amazing to see represented  approximately a dozen churches around the area in support of gay people, gay families, and gay right to marriage. So, I do not blame all religious persons or their beliefs. Just think there are some who undermine by their own proxy to continue a negative crusade against gay people.

  13. spiderpam profile image57
    spiderpamposted 7 years ago

    I wrote on this subject a little while ago. I find it sad that gays often preach tolerance, but if you disagree with their lifestyle you're called homophobic or bigot so much for tolerance. I believe it's wrong, and a lot of people agree with me, but won't stand up for their beliefs due to the fear of being labeled. So much for freedom of Speech, but to add insult to injury, gays go as far as to call it a civil rights issue, comparing race to bahavior. "The idea that the fight for gay marriage bears any logical resemblance to the history of Black enslavement, to the legacy of Brown vs. Board of Education, or to the Civil Rights Movement is not only wrong - it is disrespectful. Black Americans have suffered no less than 300 years of racial hatred in this country. To this day, the legacy of slavery is a palpable factor in every vein of American life. Our ancestors fought, bled and died for the progress we have thus far attained. We dishonor their sacrifices by allowing gay marriage advocates to advance gay-black analogies." But if anything has King spinning in his grave, it is the indecency of exploiting his name for a cause he never supported. The civil rights movement for which he lived and died was grounded in a fundamental truth: All God's children are created equal. The same-sex marriage movement, by contrast, is grounded in the denial of a fundamental truth: The Creator who made us equal made us male and female. That duality has always and everywhere been the starting point for marriage. To claim that marriage can ignore that duality is akin to the claim, back when lunch counters were segregated, that America was a land of liberty and justice for all. I don't care find entire world made gay marriage legal, it still doesn't make it right and it still won't give gays the peace they yearn for. 
    http://hubpages.com/hub/Prop-8-win-The-Final-Warning
    PS please stop confusing faith, conviction and morals with religion. They are polar opposites.

    http://media.www.hlrecord.org/media/sto … 2124.shtml

    http://www.kansas.com/opinion/castillo/ … 94744.html

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh dear - another cut and paste christianist. You copied the bulk of that statement from here:

      http://www.bigeye.com/jj030704.htm

      Don't you know lying is a sin? As is judging and condemning. Read your book darling.

      And "All God's children are created equal" means everyone has the same rights. Including gays to marry. wink

      1. spiderpam profile image57
        spiderpamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hello again how are you today? I hope well. smile I was waiting on you to stop my right to free speech. Right on time:) thx for proving my point Mark Knowless

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, I am well, thank you.

          You are free to say whatever you wish, and I cannot and do not want to stop you. But - you did not say that - you stole it from some one else to back up your ongoing rant against gay marriage.

          And if you do not see the irony in saying "All gods children are equal, but gay ones should not be allowed to marry because they are not as equal"...................  big_smile

          1. spiderpam profile image57
            spiderpamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I thought I put quotes, but I must've miss it, I agree with their statement and could not have put it in better word myself that why I used their words. Thx for point it out to me. Equal meaning the right to exist and not be persucuted,(we differ on the definion among many other things). Many states allow domestic partnership and civil unions which gives them the same right a straight couples, but the push for the title of marriage seems absurd to me and to most Americans. I don't agree with the lifestyle and believe marriage should be between a man and a woman.

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Lying when you are caught plagiarizing is acceptable to you?

              1. spiderpam profile image57
                spiderpamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Again was not intentional.

        2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Pleae update me on your version of Christianity.  Is plagiarism an acceptable tactic in your battle to control the lives of everyone around you?  How about the deliberate misspelling of Mark's name?  Are you really unable to make a point on your own without resorting to such sophomoric means?

          1. spiderpam profile image57
            spiderpamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I thought I put quotes, but I must've miss it, I agree with their statement and could not have put it in better word myself that why I used their words. Thx for point it out to me. Here are my sources http://media.www.hlrecord.org/media/sto … 2124.shtml

            http://www.kansas.com/opinion/castillo/ … 94744.html

  14. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    I read your article Spiderpam. It is stuffed with scripture language to fit your personal beliefs along with hatred, predjudice, and warnings of impending doom. You obviously do not understand what the real significance is for gay marriage. Instead, you chose, as others of the flock, to drag out the holy word to preach a stance supporting discrimination. Oh, I like the ending about the "lake of fire". I assume you meant hell.

    1. spiderpam profile image57
      spiderpamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      See again you confuse faith, morals and conviction with religion. I don't hate you, don't believe the hype, I simply believe your lifestyle choice is wrong. I love my brother, but he is phyiscally abusive to women I think that's wrong too, but I still love him. You chosen to define your entire being, by your sexual preference. Why? Isn't there more to you? "I find it sad that gays often preach tolerance, non discrimination but if you disagree with their lifestyle you're called homophobic or bigot, so much for tolerance." If you read my article you would have gotten that.
      http://hubpages.com/hub/Love-the-sinner--Hate-the-sin
      maybe this article will make my point clear.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sadly, your point is very clear.  Re-stating your disdain for gay people and then claiming not to be homophobic makes it seem that YOU are unclear as to your feelings.  You do not present your side of the case well, (if it's even possible to logically defend such an absurd stance) How can you claim to love people yet campaign to deny them the basic rights you enjoy?  How can you claim to love them but denounce as sin their deepest expressions of love?

  15. noonatyuma profile image60
    noonatyumaposted 7 years ago

    I read every post and I think I've figured it out Earnesthub,HealthCare Basics,Ron Montgomery,Mark Knowles are all gay that's why they are picking on the few people here that disagree with them. It all makes sense. If they are offended by me calling them gay the are homophobic. Gays why do you want the label of mariage anyway if it's really love(which I doubt) civil unions or domestic partnership should be fine. there must be some underline hole you're trying to fill(no pun intended). The world is ending grab a beer and let it burn.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm really glad you're on the other side of this issue.  If an ignorant rant such as yours was posted supporting my position it might be enough to drive me into the embrace of a gay-bashing priest.

      1. noonatyuma profile image60
        noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm on your side lover:) I love when you talk dirty. I'll support your position all night long

      2. noonatyuma profile image60
        noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ron Montgomery wrote:


        What now?

        1. Capable Woman profile image79
          Capable Womanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r30/thegreatestmidget/milkvr7.jpg

          1. noonatyuma profile image60
            noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            After you Farmer Brown drink it all down.

    2. HealthCare Basics profile image82
      HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well Noona, you hit it on the head, so to speak. Marriage is not my exact term that I like, but it has to do with federal level recognition. Feds do not recognize civil union or Domestic Partnerships, so if my partner dies or I die, we are unable to continue to collect each others pensions like married folks. Domestic Partnerships does not help in that situation. You can also throw in Social Security benefits, inheritance benefits, and fed tax filing.

      Example: We just helped a friend who had been with his partner for 30 years. Car accidents are cruel. He has been forced to move from their home because his partner's pension does not recognize their marriage/domestic partnership. Without that monetary income he had to move into senior housing.

      1. noonatyuma profile image60
        noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So why are people who disagree with us called bigots? You are part of the problem. Let them have their say. This is America right? No one trying to stop us from living our lives? Come on man Peace and Love.

        1. countrywomen profile image61
          countrywomenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Noonatyuma- My friend it isn't so straightforward and for me at least your reasoning doesn't make sense(unless there was sarcasm in your earlier post). And FYI most of those folks whom you named earlier are straight folks. Just because like me they tend to have empathy for homosexuals doesn't make any of us "gay". Anyway that is besides the point. The point about being called strong words like "bigot" is not due to anybody's religious beliefs but due to the intolerance perpetrated by there strongly held religious beliefs. 

          HealthCare Basics- I have had this discussion with my colleague once who is a straight person why in our company the "gays" who live together officially after registering as domestic partners can have there partner registered under there health insurance plan but the same right isn't being offered to heterosexual couples who aren't married. Another colleague of mine offered this answer that since the homosexual couples don't have a right to marry officially they are being given this facility unlike heterosexual couples who voluntarily decide not to marry hence they can't claim similar benefit. Some may treat it as discrimination and others may treat it as equality. The debate is open. smile

          1. noonatyuma profile image60
            noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Who cares about religion. We can't call people bigots than call for tolerance, don't you get that.

          2. HealthCare Basics profile image82
            HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No, your colleague is a tad bit wrong. If you live in a State where Domestic Partnerships are legal and you work for a company that participates with Equal Opportunity Employment, chances are the health Insurance offered allows coverage to Domestic Partners. Years ago, that was not the case. Now to get the coverage, you have to present a Domestic Partnership certificate before coverage, and in most cases, both must share the same domicile. If I did not have a Domestic partnership, I could not extend my health insurance to my partner. Opposite sex couples can sign a domestic partnership if living under the same roof, and one or both are of retirement age. At least in California that is....

      2. mz_247_njinfo profile image61
        mz_247_njinfoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Honestly, I never actually looked at it in this light before. I think that if two people are committed to each other and is dependent upon each other for survival, they should be entitled to the same benefits as a "marrage". I feel the same way about Common law marriages, co-habitating situations etc.

        Couldn't this issue be solved by the two parties entering into a contract that honors the commitment and outlines the rights of the individuals. Since it is a contract, the court would have to uphold it. Marriage, afterall, is a legal binding contract.

        This way you do not have to use the word, marriage, civil union, domestic partnership and you do not have to worry about the gender. It is the same way that a will is used. For instance in the scenario written above, if there was a will written where the partner inherited the assets, the court would have to honor them. Wouldn't they?

  16. noonatyuma profile image60
    noonatyumaposted 7 years ago

    I'm gay, and I don't need same-sex marriage to be happy. Why are we trying fit into the round peg of the masses, I choice this life and love my life nuff said. If you don't agree with me fine peace and love 2 you, I don't think you're homophobic (can we stop using that word please.) You're not a bigot, we just disagree, move on people!

    1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
      Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, you may not want to get married, but maybe other people do.

      The point is equality.  If straight folks would like to give up the label of marriage and settle for domestic partnerships as well, that would be fabulous.

      In my own personal opinion, marriage shouldn't be a label given by the government.  Marriage is a religious institution.  Domestic partnerships or "civil unions" or whatever you want to call them are the only thing the gov't should be involved in--for tax purposes, benefits, legal issues, etc.

      1. noonatyuma profile image60
        noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        We should work on strenghten the civil unions law and leave marriage term to the breeders.smile

    2. LondonGirl profile image91
      LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sure, don't marry and be happy. I'm straight, not married, and perfectly happy with that, too.

      But don't you think gay people who do want to marry should be able to do so?

      1. noonatyuma profile image60
        noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No We need to strength the civil union law and leave the term marriage to the man and woman.

  17. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    I also agree not to call Gay Marriage a "Marriage" just because of the whole religious side. Marriage can stay in the church for all I care. I just would like the government to recognize civil unions and/or domestic partnerships and provide the same protective rights as the institution of marriage.

    I know this might upset those in the gay world because I have many friends who have had "marriage" vows within their church by ministers. It makes them happy and they feel it is the right thing to do. Personally, I'd rather stick with obtaining equal status of civil unions/DP's.

  18. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    I dont see why a same sex couple woud want to marry under God?
    (Church)
    Many homosexuals chose their own morals and way of life so , let them marry themselves ( my opinion) smile

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Are those kitties both of the same sex.  If so, their display of affection is an unforgivable sin according to the experts posting to this forum.

      1. noonatyuma profile image60
        noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't justify my lifestyle, by comparing myself to a animal. Grow up

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Please proofread before posting.

          1. noonatyuma profile image60
            noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Didn't you misspell "Please" earlier?

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Is earliler a word? Please use it in a sentence.

              1. noonatyuma profile image60
                noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Okay, you tell me farmer brown pease.

                1. Sufidreamer profile image82
                  Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Two different identities, same spelling mistakes.

                  How are you, Urias?

                  1. Capable Woman profile image79
                    Capable Womanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Good eye, Sufi. at first I thought it was the originator of the thread, mdawson. But I think you're right.

          2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The kittens are animals
        I am not, never was , never will be.
        (that should keep someone busy while I get some dinner, hubbing is hungry work !)  tongue

    2. Maddie Ruud profile image82
      Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe their God isn't homophobic.

      1. noonatyuma profile image60
        noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Please stop using that word. No one fears us. Some approve some disapprove. You are the problem, your are NOT helping the cause. you are making it worse with the name calling STOP!! That goes everyone else who uses that word or bigot to describe someone who disagree with same-sex marriage. They have a right to that opinion. This is America!!!

        1. LondonGirl profile image91
          LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No, this is the internet, not America. I'm in London!

          1. noonatyuma profile image60
            noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'm sorry you don't have free speech, but here every side should a voice

            1. LondonGirl profile image91
              LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              We do have freedom of speech, but you keep saying, "this is America!" when it's not, really.

            2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              We all have one, yours is just unusually shrill.

        2. Maddie Ruud profile image82
          Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I have a right to use that word if I please.  ("This is America!!!" to quote you.)  And really, I think people against gay marriage ARE afraid.  Listen to their propoganda--all fear-mongering: Watch out, they're going to teach your kids it's okay to be gay!  Watch out, they're going to take over our monopoly on the word "marriage"! 

          What is so terrible about other people having the same rights as you?  It doesn't diminish your own rights.  I just don't get it.

          1. noonatyuma profile image60
            noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            And people should have the right to be against gaymarriage without being called names. It's the new buzz word for people who don't have anything smart to say. You are not gay, you are trying to get on the train so you can feel cool. You are getting in the way of our progress. I don't fear people against gay marriage I fear you. You're right you don't get it.

            1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
              Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Firstly, you have no idea what my sexual orientation is.

              Secondly, I don't hear a lot of real content coming from you other than "This is America!!!"  You haven't responded to any of my points.

              Of course people have a right to their opinions.  But opinions should not be what law is based on.  People are free to believe gay marriage is immoral if they like.  What they should not be free to do is let that personal judgement inform discriminatory laws.

              1. noonatyuma profile image60
                noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Read all my post than get back to me. I think I've been very clear. Your points are based on HATE. HATE against anyone who disagrees with you. I don't care if your gay straight, whatever. Law are laws. If you are looking to the government to be happy maybe you're not really in love, because a piece of paper means NOTHING. Forget Prop 8, Let work to make the civil unions law Stronger.

                1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
                  Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I've read all your posts.  I've never said I hate anyone.  I don't.  On the contrary, you seem to hate anyone who supports gay marriage.

                  As I said, I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I just don't think it should inform law.  And I'm not looking to the government to make me happy.  But I believe government is there to protect people's rights.  If you don't believe that, why are you looking to them to "make civil unions law stronger?"




                  Who's calling people names, now, really?  This is ridiculous, and unconstructive.  I'm happy to talk differences of opinion, but only if you agree to be civil and try to stop contradicting yourself.  Otherwise, I've said my piece.

                  1. noonatyuma profile image60
                    noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I simply don't like the name calling it's childish, rude and helps nothing. Okay you didn't read my post let me repost "I'm gay, and I don't need same-sex marriage to be happy. Why are we trying fit into the round peg of the masses, I chose this life and love my life nuff said.", but you seem to need a cause work on civil unions.

                2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Have you ever attended school at any level?  Your lack of basic grammar skills serves to amplify the inherent weakness of your arguments.

                  1. noonatyuma profile image60
                    noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Well Farmer Brown. It's not mt fault you can't read. I told you I'm on your side.

              2. noonatyuma profile image60
                noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Without being called names what are you 6 years old.

          2. countrywomen profile image61
            countrywomenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Even I don't get it. A few decades back even a marriage between the so called "higher"and "lower" caste among Hindus in India wouldn't have got social approval but now all marriages are allowed. Even in US something similar I believe was happening where inter racial marriages where frowned upon. And for those who are opposing marriage for same sex(due to religious beliefs) then here is a excerpt from a book that says ‘marriage is a union of spirits and the spirit is not male or female.’ I guess as humanity we need to move forward rather than backward in our thinking. Aren't those who are homosexuals any less a citizen than others. I hope people learn to live and let live. smile

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    SubwayPigposted 7 years ago

    I personaly think gay marrige is ok! Atractions to a man and a woman is the same as man to man or woman to woman. Even though its agiangst some religions the goverment shouldnt be able to tell people who they should like and dislike or marry. Poeple with the religion that doesnt belive in it should be able to belive that or not to belive that . Think of the Declaration of Independance. Quote:"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness" Unquote. We should be able to pruse happiness with out someone telling us difrent.!

  20. Capable Woman profile image79
    Capable Womanposted 7 years ago

    any body ever notice how that Dawson character always starts these controversial forum topics and then bales on the conversation? He does it every time.

    I reiterate my original response-->http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u55/BJ_BOBBI_JO9/BED%20and%20sleepy%20smileys/yawn.gif

  21. Capable Woman profile image79
    Capable Womanposted 7 years ago

    hey Mr/Ms. "I've been here for 5 hours and have no hubs or fans" (noonatyuma)...if one group gets to do it (marriage) then every group should get to.

    I'm all for civil unions being made stronger but there are other benefits to "real" marriage that have nothing to do with love. If it was all about nothing but love, NO ONE would ever have to get married for any reasons (other than religious, perhaps)...but that is not the reality.

    Any intellectually honest person knows this...there is no LOGICAL basis for keeping gay marriages illegal/unrecognized in a society that recognizes hetero marriages. Absolutely none.

    1. noonatyuma profile image60
      noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ok cat lady, with 4 weeks on me. big whoop! meow

      1. Capable Woman profile image79
        Capable Womanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And some fans a few published hubs. It just means that I am part of this community and you are still establishing yourself...so far by ranting like a lunatic.

        Nice comeback, by the way...care to respond to what I actually said?

  22. Capable Woman profile image79
    Capable Womanposted 7 years ago

    Okay, deal. I am shutting the F up right now. Farmer Brown...?

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, I guess it's time to head back to the farm.  After all those damn sheep ain't gonna F*** thereselves is they?

      1. noonatyuma profile image60
        noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I knew it!!

  23. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    My eyes need a break from the screen. It's just about "pub time" here in San Diego.... smile

  24. Sufidreamer profile image82
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    Folks - if you want to waste your time with a sock-puppet, go ahead. smile

    1. noonatyuma profile image60
      noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Okay hippie, peace, love, and sock puppets:)

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Cheers to the first two! Third one, not so much, sock puppets are annoying.

      2. Capable Woman profile image79
        Capable Womanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/SomewhatAngry/wigger.bmp

        HA! I am physically walking away from the computer now..."Super" gay?

        http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/jenn_myers/laughing.gif

        1. noonatyuma profile image60
          noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          As soon as you show your real face cat lady.

          1. Colebabie profile image60
            Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Pardon me, but where is yours sir? (If you're really really pale then I apologize smile )

            1. noonatyuma profile image60
              noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              And who are you?

    2. Maddie Ruud profile image82
      Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I had a sock monkey I really liked when I was a kid.

      1. Sufidreamer profile image82
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I had a sock-dragon - sadly deceased. sad

        Cheers, Healthcare big_smile

        1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
          Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          How do you make one of those???  I smell a hub...

      2. Uninvited Writer profile image85
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sock monkeys are cool. A friend of mine made a Facebook page for her sock monkey, but someone told and it was deleted sad We took him on a road trip and have fun pictures of him in the hotel room, in the restaurant, in the car smile

        What is it with people who only post in the forum to start arguments?

  25. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Here, here... I'll drink to that..... smile Hey Sufidreamer!!!

  26. Sufidreamer profile image82
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    It was a long time ago, but my aunt sewed in a red, forked tongue and lots of green triangles down the back.

    Sadly, she refused to add fire-breathing capabilities. Might have to ask Frogdropping for advice on that one smile

    1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
      Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I had a pink dragon with turquoise spots and purple spikes.  I stuffed it myself at the Teddy Bear Factory.  It was the 80's.

      1. Sufidreamer profile image82
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Something like this one, although mine was purple.

        http://www.activityvillage.co.uk/sock_p … _craft.htm

        I had to make a stuffed cat, but it did not quite go to plan. Still, I managed to punt it to my cousin as a Christmas present.

        She pretended to like it big_smile

  27. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Not sure what that has to do with anything. But I'm Cole. Hi!

    1. noonatyuma profile image60
      noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Cole. I'm Yuma. I joined this site trying to get some POVs beyond my own.

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well it isn't very nice to request someone's picture without at least having one up yourself. smile

        As far as learning from different points of view, make sure you have an open mind first. It is better to say, "I just don't know" and learn than "This is what I know" and not. The best way to do that is to listen to what other people have to say and then ask questions. Not insist upon your point of view and preach, that is merely having your own opinion and denying other points of view. Some people are not sure how to separate the two. smile

        1. noonatyuma profile image60
          noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That what seems to happen here. If you disagree with the masses you are called homophobic or bigot, I'm gay and I just don't get that.

          1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
            Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Nobody called you homophobic, or a bigot, for the record.  And you coulda fooled everyone about the signing up to get POVs different than your own.  Seemed like you signed up to rant and rave against any POVs different than your own.

            1. noonatyuma profile image60
              noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You again? Be gone homophobic bigot. Doesn't sound to nice does it. I don't care if nobody called me that you shouldn't call anyone that. Why is that so hard to get across to you?

              1. Colebabie profile image60
                Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Umm that's the kind of attitude that is going to get you called names. Just be more respectful with your posts. You'll be able to express your opinions and get respect in return. Just a tip!

              2. Maddie Ruud profile image82
                Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yes.  I work here.



                I didn't call anyone a homophobic bigot.  I'm not sure why that's so hard to get across to you.

                1. noonatyuma profile image60
                  noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  "Maybe their God isn't homophobic."
                  So a Religous persons God is homophobic. Sorry that's much better.

                  1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
                    Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    That doesn't follow, sorry.  If you believe in God, you ARE religious.  So the gay people who want to be married in church, ARE religious, and NOT homophobic.  And there are many different religions with different versions of "God."  Just because one person's God isn't, doesn't mean everyone else's is.

                    Got logic?

  28. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Well it is all in how you say it. You want to say something so that your opinion is out there but you want to make clear you don't object to someone else's.

    So you SHOULD have said "While I am gay, and I feel I have made that choice, I personally do not feel the need to be 'married' however I know that not all homosexuals feel that way"

    Watch your grammer too, sometimes a lack of good grammer can infringe on getting your point across. We're typing here, its not like we can hear your tone of voice. A lot of times things are mistaken to mean something else.

    1. noonatyuma profile image60
      noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well I only have one free hand right now (hurt pinky)

      1. Capable Woman profile image79
        Capable Womanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's a convenient excuse for your ignorance...unfortunately it dosen't really fly. Bad grammar and the odd misspelled word are not the same things.

        I'm sure you DO only have one hand free, but I doubt it's for the reason you stated.

        You guys, we are arguing with a troll. Sufi pegged it hours ago...and I am just as guilty.

        Ron, I'm going back over to the other forum where I can hurl free form insults at you and your sheep!

        wink

        1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
          Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I learned to write without my thumb in highschool, when it got dislocated during a hockey game (Catholic school girls are dirty players!).  My handwriting was just as good, after a few days' practice.

  29. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Does anyone else get annoyed when people come in the forums and make no argument for their point of view and just bash others? Especially when the forum is for Hubbers, and technically they haven't "Hubbed."

    Yuma, nice meeting you. But seriously, put the wall down. If you came here to get other views, then listen and ask questions. There is no need for the way you act. No one is going to want to share their views with you. Which is the reason you came right?

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How'd the exam go?

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh goodness! It was sooo hard. Thanks for asking though. I'll let you guys know how I did. Then I had to sit through lecture afterwards... nervous system next! Now I'm at work studying for another test tomorrow... it never ends smile

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          At work....studying and posting to HP? Is your company hiring? big_smile

    2. noonatyuma profile image60
      noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well Cole, I just can't stand hypocritical gays, who demand tolerance and can't practice what they preach(Rudd and cat lady) they are the problem in the fight for gay rights.

      1. Capable Woman profile image79
        Capable Womanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Your ignorance is astounding..I mean really breathtaking. I sure hope Sufi is right because if you are for real...holy sh**.

        1. noonatyuma profile image60
          noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Really so explain to me how name calling help gay rights. Yeah cat lady's back!smile

          1. Colebabie profile image60
            Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well she's right.

            1. noonatyuma profile image60
              noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Because we disagree, I'm ignorant. Since you insist on name calling. You're a poopy head

              1. Colebabie profile image60
                Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Umm Yuma, I'm pretty sure the name calling has a part in it. Usually when someone calls someone else ignorant, it isn't because of their point of view, but rather the lack of back up, or thier back up (logic) doesn't make any sense.

                1. noonatyuma profile image60
                  noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm gay, and I don't need same-sex marriage to be happy. Why are we trying fit into the round peg of the masses, I chose this life and love my life nuff said. If you don't agree with me fine peace and love 2 you. I believe we should make civil unions stronger and leave marriage alone. I refuse to go around calling people who disagree with me homophobic,bigot of mock their religion. It hurts more than helps. It's a simple stance, maybe too simple for the brains in this forum.

                  1. Colebabie profile image60
                    Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    The first sentence says everything. YOU don't need same sex marriages to be happy. However, you are NOT speaking for everyone. Just as I would like to be married and feel it is necessary for me to be happy, someone who is gay has that right as well. You're right, I don't agree with your opinion. It is ok to not want to get married, it is not ok to want to deny that to someone else. Sorry.

                  2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Man, that is one killer insult.  You sir are the Don Rickles of HubPages forums.

      2. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Umm I don't think that was their opinions on the matter. But anyways.. if you are looking for opinions, then you sit back and relax. If you are looking to give your opinion, then do it respectfully, or you'll get nothin' outta everyone here.

        In my opinion, gay relationships are the same as hetero ones. There will be couples who want to get married and see marriage as extrememly important to their relationship. Then there are couples who don't want/need marriage and will settle for not being married or a common law or civil union. But someone's personal opinion shouldn't affect the opportunities for others.

        My aunt chose not to get married, but she wouldn't ever consider denying that to another couple. Same with a gay person, marriage may not be for them, but that doesn't mean they speak for the whole gay community.

      3. Maddie Ruud profile image82
        Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't mind being called a hypocritical gay, but calling me "Rudd" is simply unforgiveable.  Ruud.  Say it with me.  Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud.  Rhymes with dude, food, pooed, cooed, and lewd.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ruudy, Ruudy, Ruudy

  30. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Haha, I get off work at 5. I just stay here to study smile

  31. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    This was your first post:
    Probably your very first post on HP:

    "I read every post and I think I've figured it out Earnesthub,HealthCare Basics,Ron Montgomery,Mark Knowles are all gay that's why they are picking on the few people here that disagree with them. It all makes sense. If they are offended by me calling them gay the are homophobic. Gays why do you want the label of mariage anyway if it's really love(which I doubt) civil unions or domestic partnership should be fine. there must be some underline hole you're trying to fill(no pun intended). The world is ending grab a beer and let it burn."

    You doubted that gays could truly be in love, and speculated as to the sexual orientation of HP members. Afterwards you repeatedly name called. Realize that if you are gay, you do not speak for the gay community. If you don't see anything wrong with your initial post, then I can't help you. You are obviously not here to hear the "POV" of others.

    Have a good night.
    Cole

    1. noonatyuma profile image60
      noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You can't tell a joke when you see it, go outside!

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I thought jokes were supposed to be funny. In my opinion (and probably of most), your post was not funny. I'm going now.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Funny?
          Funny how?

        2. noonatyuma profile image60
          noonatyumaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Outside I hope.smile

  32. noonatyuma profile image60
    noonatyumaposted 7 years ago

    Well it's been fun! I don't think Hubpages is for me. Too many agendas not enough time. Ron, you're funny. Cat Lady and Rudd I hearby take away your gay card, and you can't get it back until you write "I will practice what I preach." one thousand times. Cole don't be so serious, you seem nice enough though. Mark I didn't really get to talk to you, but you're either a Mormon or an Atheist I can't figure out. Peace out guys. I'm off to the nightlife. smilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmile

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You seriously are losing your touch...your brain must be turning to mush because of your lifestyle choices.  smile

  33. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    lol too funny, dont drink n drive ok

  34. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Funny thing that because I have found many guys ( not all ) think a discussion is an arguement ,so frustrating when they say 'Look I dont want to argue' grrrr...

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      grrrrrr

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

  35. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Back from the pub. Did I miss anything worth discussing??

  36. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Really, a marriage only between a man and a woman. Give me a break here!!!! Sexual attraction has no boundaries. If you find yourself checking out girls, that's fine. If you find yourself checking out guys, well, that is a problem with some segments of society. Same thing if a girl checks out another girl. What is the problem in this?

  37. Justin McMarshall profile image61
    Justin McMarshallposted 7 years ago

    lol, no. Well not anymore settling down and trying to start a life now.

  38. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Good. Wish you well. We are a good community here and support each other. I will check your hubs and be in contact. Don't worry, I am easy on judgement.

  39. Justin McMarshall profile image61
    Justin McMarshallposted 7 years ago

    Thank you very much I am still trying to get my feet wet. I love to write but right at this minute i am at a creative slump. Tons of things being thrown at me at once and I'm trying to handle them all with tact and responsibility. I appreciate the support.

  40. Capable Woman profile image79
    Capable Womanposted 7 years ago

    I think someone should start a REAL defense of marriage campaign. First, we need to outlaw divorce because right now it's at over 50%. That's gotta be on the agenda, right? I mean, if you're "defending marriage"...?

    Oh, no body thinks that's a good idea? Hmm...perhaps the heteros DON'T have this thing down pat after all!

    smile

    1. Justin McMarshall profile image61
      Justin McMarshallposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I dont believe anyone can have a "PERFECT" marriage. Two people coming together with different background and different upbringings always causes SOME kind of conflict. The difficulty is leaning how to love your spouse enough to not make those little differences separate them.

      1. Capable Woman profile image79
        Capable Womanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Couldn't agree with you more, Justin. My point is that those who use language like "defense of marriage" aren't serious and/or don't think things through very well.

        1. HealthCare Basics profile image82
          HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I dont believe anyone can "PERFECT" marriage. Two people coming together with different background and different upbringings always causes SOME kind of conflict. The difficulty is leaning how to love your spouse enough to not make those little differences separate them.

          The love relationship between two people is about chemistry. How you connect, physically, emotionally, and sexually. On the adult level, one should not care what others may think. Trust in your feelings, ignore others, and build a compassion between two persons, two souls, and two lovers.

  41. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Can we just get over noona "something". I have no idea what he is talking about....... smile

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The purpose of all that, I believe, is to make the people here, 'liberals,' realize they are not as tolerant as they think they are.  That they have a certain mindset that is just as bad as what most of us would label a 'bigot.'  To make them think.

      However, he's not doing a very good job (very seriously losing his touch, wink).  Shades was much more eloquent in addressing the issue in this post:

      http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/14513#post180279

      1. Sufidreamer profile image82
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree, Lita - I expected a better standard of argument.

        Trying to force black and white distinctions upon people does not a bigot make - most folks are somewhere in the middle smile

        Add to that the fact that these 'labels' have completely different meanings, internationally, and a forum has too much room for misunderstandings.

        HCB - Hope you enjoyed your evening!

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yep.  We'll make him think yet, wink  Though I'd probably guess it was sorta stress relief.

          Gotta get to bed - big meeting in the morning.  Yawn...Have a good morning (?) now in Greece.

  42. Justin McMarshall profile image61
    Justin McMarshallposted 7 years ago

    Thank you very much for the welcome and i hope that my opinion is not to shocking for some.

  43. HealthCare Basics profile image82
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    I agree....... :)Thank you...

  44. Sufidreamer profile image82
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    Lita

    Sleep well, and I hope that the meeting goes well smile

    It is nearly midday here, and pushing 40 degrees Centigrade big_smile

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wow it is 9c here and heading for 6 C overnight in Melbourne. I would love to feel some of that heat right now..

      1. Sufidreamer profile image82
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol - the joys of winter. It will be reversed in a few months!

        I have a couple of Aussie-Greek friends who spent most of their life in Melbourne - they both miss it dearly smile

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It is a beautiful city, I have been here for most of my life.

  45. illustros profile image61
    illustrosposted 7 years ago

    This issue on same-sex marriage is not being dealt appropriately by both its advocates and its oppositions. It just creates noise rather than enlightenment.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How would you deal with it?

      1. illustros profile image61
        illustrosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The appropriate way to handle this: Take the issue from one stand point at a time.

        Don't mix politicians, religious leaders, sociologists, high school students, fashion designers, etc. and have these people fight with each other with their own biases when it comes to the issue. This is a ridiculous scenario. Have a group of people from one academic discipline at a time to discuss the pros and cons of this phenomenon.

        What's happening is that people are just bombarding each other with their biased ideas. Biased because, naturally, a person speaks from his own limited academic or personal view. The result: conflict/misunderstanding because the discussion doesn't meet on the same ground. If you want to talk about it from a religious perspective, then get people in authority from this sector and let them discuss the problem on their own objective analysis. If you want to speak about it in a political perspective, then also get people in authority from this sector and let them do the same as i mentioned above, and so on... When I say people in authority, i mean those individuals with proper education and experience in relation to their respective professional field.

        In doing this, opinions that will come out in relation to this matter will be those that are precise and transparent.

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    sbeakrposted 7 years ago

    i find it rather tedious that the subject of love and/or marriage is EVER posted as a religious topic.  where does institutional religion get off believing it has a niche on such variegated propagation techniques, eh??

  47. gamergirl profile image60
    gamergirlposted 7 years ago

    No, usmanali81, you're wrong.

    Same sex marriage is not allowed by the ideals of the Christian faith as it is presented by infallible, sin-ridden humans.

    Until God Him/Her/Itself comes to each and every single human being and proclaims that He/She/It feels one way or the other, everything is purely interpretation based on widespread propaganda of one type or another, all of it man-made.

    Edit: Same sex couples choose to marry - or the poor excuse for a consolation prize, live together as monogamous couples, all the time, for the same reasons heterosexual couples do:  Love, loyalty, companionship, affection and yes, just like hetero couples, lust.

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you remember the true story of Hazrat Lut (peace be upon him). He was sent by God to those homosexuals. They were the first in the history of the world who started this rubbish and God just turned the city upside down after knocking them with his Prophet Lut (peace be upon him) and His scriptures of that time but they made a mockery out of it.

      http://hubpages.com/u/1393229_f520.jpg

      A satellite photograph of the region where the people of Lut (as) lived


      http://hubpages.com/u/1393197_f520.jpg

      The Lake of Lut, or Dead Sea as otherwise called

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    wordscribe41posted 7 years ago

    usmanalia, obviously you view the Bible as inerrant.  Obviously you aren't even willing to entertain the idea that it's merely a collection of writings by early jewish and christian writers with, well, an agenda.  How one can believe the genocide of an entire village is in accordance with the desire of God is beyond me.  These writings have been translated over and over again in accordance with the views and agendas of the translators and the times during which the translations took place. 

    There was absolutely no understanding of homosexuality when these scriptures were written.  The idea of sexual orientation was nonexistant.  Any biblical references condeming same sex behavior, including Hazrat Lut, is focused upon the condemnation of violence and promiscuity, not homosexual behavior itself.  Similar stories are written in relation to heterosexual acts involving such violence and promiscuity.

    So, true story, hey, I beg to differ.  It's like playing the old "tell it like it isn't" game where one person whispers something to the person on the right and waits for it to return to him or her as it's made its way around the circle.  Couple that with multiple interpretations over many years, cultures, societies, and translators inserting their moral beliefs.

    So, how on earth would this God of yours create a homosexual in the first place if such urges are sinful?  Is a gay person supposed to suppress this drive for same sex relations?  Of course not.  This love is no different from the love between any man and woman.

    1. usmanali81 profile image60
      usmanali81posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile

      Dear,

      First of all i admit that Bibles are not pure words of God as they have been passed with so many interpolations. But on the other hand, there is only one scripture in the world which is still in it's proper position, that's Qur'an. Qur'an, today, is the same as was 1400 years ago, it's in the same language as was 1400 years ago. Even hostile critics of Islam have grudgingly vouched for the purity of the Holy Qur’ân: "THERE IS PROBABLY IN THE WORLD NO OTHER BOOK WHICH HAS REMAINED TWELVE CENTURIES (now fourteen) WITH SO PURE A TEXT." — (Sir William Muir).

      The same story of Hazrat Lut (peace be upon him) is mentioned in Qur'an with great detail.

      We also (sent) Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you?
      For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."
      And his people gave no answer but this: they said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!"
      But we saved him and his family, except his wife: she was of those who legged behind.
      And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime! (Qur'an, Surat al-A‘raf: 80-84)

      And if you are an atheist then you can not deny the archeological discoveries related to Sodom and Gomorrah (people of Lut (peace be upon him)).

      National Geographic makes the following comment:

      The mount of Sodom, a barren wasteland, rises sharply above the dead sea. No one has ever found the destroyed cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, but scholars believe that they stood in the Vale of Siddim across from these cliffs. Possibly flood waters of the Dead Sea engulfed them following an earthquake. G. Ernest Wright, “Bringing Old Testament Times to Life”, National Geographic, Vol. 112, December 1957,

      Now, regarding God who created homosexuals, no, not at all. God created human beings who are decieved by Devils, Evils and their followers like Freemasons etc. To safeguard humans and in order to test them God sent 1,24,000 Messengers with scriptures or books. From which the last and final Messenger is Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the last and final Book for the whole of Mankind is Qur'an.

      Finally, if you want to have sex then God permits you to do so BUT in the domain of marriage (between man n woman). Adultry, whether it be straight or homo is not allowed at all. You have to follow the rules of God in His universe as you follow the rules of Hubpages or any other organization which you work in.

      1. mohitmisra profile image61
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I keep telling you  god made to write and I work for him as a messenger.Most believe there were more messengers after Muhammad like Guru Nanak, Sai Baba, Paramahnsa yogananda, Baha'ullah to name a few.
        I look at these masters as messengers of god.

  49. apeksha profile image61
    apekshaposted 7 years ago

    Differs from person to person. In  India it's very rare thing..
    I puke ...to here that..

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    wordscribe41posted 7 years ago

    There are still many possible interpretations of the Qur'an.  Do you mean to tell me all Muslims interpret the stories the same way?  BTW, I don't believe in brimstone showers.  And behold, there ARE STILL those who indulge in sin and crime! 

    The fact that it's 1400 years old and pure doesn't impress me in light of the topic of this thread.  Again, there was no understanding of homosexuality or sexual orientation when this was written. 

    I'm not surprised no one has found the destroyed cities.  LOL

    Devils, evils and their followers, he he he.  Testers.  How convenient.  It's just semantics and utilizing the insertion of these so-called "beings" (devils, etc) when faced with a rational argument.  It reminds me of blaming my childhood antics on my imaginary friend. 

    And finally, I'm glad we agree, people should be able to have sex within the confines of marriage (gay or straight).  So, gay marriage should be legalized. I said nothing about adultery, not sure where that came from.

 
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