When people imply that I am going to hell because of what I believe (or more specifically what I don't believe). I think "so what"? Number one is: why do you even care what happens to my so called soul and Number two is: Hell can't be any worse that some of the things I've seen on Earth, so what does it matter?
What do you think Hell is and how do you feel about going there?
"Another day, good morning hell,
What lessons for today I cannot tell."
I am with you - Hell can't be any worse that some of the things I've seen on Earth, so what does it matter?- we are in hell and I am not coming back.
for me we are surrounded by hell and heaven, you choose to live.
I believe that hell is what the Bible says it is: a place of eternal judgment, a place of fire. But to your question "why do you even care"? We care in part because we are commanded to. Second, because we can empathize, because I have been at that crossroad whether to choose God or to reject Him.
But on a more pragmatic note, I don't have to be right on this one. If I die believing that there is a hell and it doesn't exist, then I've lost nothing. We all have crazy ideas that we're going to die with. So, I was wrong on that one.
But for the person who rejects God, he'd better be right.
Can you tell us where the Scripture is that commands believers to care ?
It's the second part of the first, great commandment: "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" (Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 19:19; Mark 12:31). I would hope that someone would tell me of both God's love and judgment, even if I didn't want to hear it at first.
I could show you lots of places where it commands believers to kill!
There are two Greek words for the word "hell." One Greek word is Hades, and the other Greek word is Geenna. I will briefly discuss them both....
Hades: From a Hebrew perspective, this is the place of the dead. It is where ALL men go when they die. This is the grave yard here, and not a burning pit of fire.
Geenna: This is, in English, called the Valley Of Hinnom. This place actually existed outside of Jerusalem. It was a place where babies were sacrificed to molech, criminals were sent there as the death penalty, worms were always present, and the fire always burned.
Our focus here is the word Geenna. Although this place physically existed, its figurative when it refers to eternal death. The reality of eternal death is the simple destruction of man, the wicked rather. The valley of hinnom's main purpose was to destroy the trash and bodies that were being thrown in there. These things would burn up, and no longer exist.
THAT is the reality of eternal death. Whoever has not repented of their Torah-breakings, and trust in Yashah Messiah for their salvation, then they will suffer this horrible fate. Choose life Yehwah says(Deut 30).
Everybody goes to hell. Good and bad. The lake of fire, now thats entirely different.
Hell's real horrible. I mean, you don't wannna THINK OF GOING THERE, honey! And trust me, I do not want to cross paths with Satan!
I recommend getting a door signs that says, "I already heard the
'good news', now please go away".
Who can say your going to hell?
Only God can judge you when you get to the pearly white gates of heaven and you are either allowed in or a sneaky trap door opens under your feet sending you on an incredible slide journey to the depths of Satan lair!
It brings to mind two versus in the bible:
'Judge not, lest ye be judged'
'May he who has never sinned cast the first stone'
As human beings we are unfit to tell another human being they are going to hell, regardless of the observations we might make of another's actions. After all, isn't the creator that determines it? If so, who are we to determine what divinity will later decide?
As for what it is and how I feel about possibly going there ... therein lies the pinion of faith. If you believe Hell is an awful place, then indeed, your faith better be strong during your lifetime. Of course, just leading a good life is far better than worrying about your fate, as it should insure a good afterlife, provided one does exist.
And what if there is no afterlife ... and we just fail to exist when we die? Well, then you have contributed to the longevity of mankind by bringing them an inch closer to civility.
This reminds me of a neighbor years back who told me I was going to Hell because I stopped going to church (I attended faithfully as a child, then determined later in life to go my won road for reasons I won't go into here).
I turned to her and said, 'We go to church to learn, and at this point in life I think I have passed enough tests to have finally graduated - as I am now able to apply the skills I worked so hard to master.'
The neighbor had no idea what to say ...
My 2 cents? Don't focus on the negative side of life ... focus on the positive side. Ask yourself ... in one lifetime, how many lives can I touch and add meaning to. Then, seek to outdo your goal, and do it because it adds meaning to your life - not because some creator asks you to do so. After all, when we become adults we stop trying to please our parents and focus deeper on working toward common goals with our peers ... that's how life should be.
Good comeback to the neighbor. Church serves are basically just Christinity 101 over and over again. Some people need the fellowship or just go to church so they can feel like they are better than the ones who dont' go.
You sell yourself short...your advice is worth waaaay more than 2 cents. I don't focus on the negative at all...matter of fact, I just ignore it all together which is why I shrug off people who "tell" me where I am going. I like the idea of doing good things for people just to make them happy...so much better than doing good things for people so I can get into heaven.
LOL know last I heard it was Coca Cola and it was another marketing ploy to sell more cans as its a little hot in hell and Coca Cola will quench your thirst!
Hell is a place inside of your head. The idea exists in christianity as a way to explain duality, heaven and hell are allegedly opposing forces of good and evil. Human psychology can be both positive and negative attitude.
Buddhist psychology equates the human mind on levels to Hungry Ghosts,Human,Superhuman and Gods. I much prefer the buddhist version personally so the question of going to hell does not arise.
If I choose to put myself in hell by having a bad attitude, which produces abusive relationships, poor health and numerous other issues then that is my personal responsibility.
Hell is the result of thinking in a particular way.
Not quite I feel, what about being born in the wrong place?
The Buddhist believe we are in a dimension of hell and there are other dimensions.Being one with god is the dimension of heaven.
You have to quickly get out of your current situation and navigate better next time. I've heard the trajectory of incarnation is tricky.
The way I understand hell is that you spend eternity separated from God's love. It's compared to that horrible feeling like when you had your first real love and then it ended, only multiplied incredibly.
My religion's dogma is that almost no one goes to hell. In order to go to hell you would have to know, really know, that God exists and then reject him purposefully. Pretty much everything else can be burned off in purgatory.
According to Church doctrine, any person who goes through their life being as good a person as they can be, whether they believe in God or not, is saved by something called baptism of desire. The concept is that if they had had the opportunity to really believe, they would have.
Hell can be spoken of in two senses. One is the temporary abode in the spirit world of those who were disobediant in this mortal life. It is between death and the resurection, and those people will abide there untill the last resurection, in this sense the spiritual death or (second death) will have an end when they have paid the price of their sins and enter into a degree of glory after their resurection.
On the other hand, the Devil and his angels, including the sons of perdition, are assigned to a place known as a lake of fire-a figure of eternal anguish, but this kind of "Hell" is exclusively for the Devil and his angels, and is not the same of that consisting only of the periodbetween death and resurection.
The one group are redeemed from Hell and inherit some degree of glory. The other receive no glory. They continue in spiritual darkness. For them the conditions of Hell remain.
Disobedient? To your god no doubt. I have never understood the arrogance to tell others what to believe in, followed by threats. What a croc!
Yes, very thought provoking insight, tell me, if there is a heaven and a God then why should you "having lived your life without an iota of faith," be given a crown of rightousness, to be joint heirs with Christ, to have heaped upon you the eternal blessings of Heaven despite the fact that you miserably failed the test of faith? Ofcourse you might feel a little awkward, but after all it's what you deserve for some reason.
You have once again insulted every non believer. In this case everyone who does not believe what you do, and imply that I have failed some test of faith? Like I said, rude and arrogant.
You commented on my beliefs therefore I have begun to explain them to you. I believe that there is redemption for the dead and for those who were decieved in this life. Simply put; Heaven is divided from one glory to the next, and is composed with much diversity. There are bodies celestial and those which are terrestrial and they differin glory as the glory of the Sun differs from that of the Moon and the Stars.
Just as there is a division in the world of spirits among those in paradise and those in prison, each will be judged at the last day and given their eternal rest, from the highest to the lowest.
I did not comment on your beliefs, I commented on your exclusion of other's beliefs.
True Dat amigo, I do have my personal beliefs! but please take note that one of those beliefs is that there is a place set asside for everyone of God's creatures, even for the adulterous, murdrers, Idol worshipers, etc.. and if you were to see a vision of that place you might wish to kill yourself to get there. Then how great would be the afterlife marked with the full efulgence of the sun and the eternal blessings of God reminicant in your life forever be?
I totally agree with you earnest, bullying is what i call it.
In one sense hell can be thought of as a form of hypnosis by the church to keep people subservient during the period of the middle ages in Europe.
I always thought Hell was something the priests and nuns made up to keep us in line. "If you do xyz again, you're going to burn in hell for all eternity!"
Somewhere along the way in the Catholic Church's twisted logic, I personally chose to believe that God is forgiving and never gives up on his children. That sorta doesn't jive with her sending us to hell to live in eternal damnation and burn for all eternity.
and did you also "learn" about the "big, black marks" on your soul? Venial sins were said to be gray marks, and mortal sins were big, black marks. So then there were - like - seven-year-old kids who lied about forgetting their spelling book, and thought their souls were black-marked forever.
Psychologically, that can either happen or be perceived...
The idea of hell kind if odd if you think about it. The most cruel tyrant to ever breathed did not subject people to continuous torture forever. Yet that's what we claim the most good and merciful entity in the universe will do to you if you don't follow the rules. It is made clear the you will suffer agony for all eternity if you simply refuse to bow and worship. Is that what you would expect from an all good God?
Hell just IS! Treat it any way you want. It's your own destiny that you affect.
Believing "in it" does NOT make it so, neither does denying it make it NOT so.
The disagreements can (and probably will) go on as long as we breathe, and it won't change a thing.
With the fires twinkling, it might be nice at Christmastime. It can't be much hotter than Texas in August. If it is, a person would die, and since we're already dead... How bad could it be?
If going to hell will keep me safe from the mormons, jehovah's witnesses, and scientologists, I'm packing my sunscreen now.
If it means safety from any fundamentalists, I got the sunnies and beer ready to go!
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