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IF NOAH SMOKED WEED?

  1. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    If Noah would have gotten stoned instead of getting drunk, would weed be legal and alcohol be illegal?

    1. Davinagirl3 profile image61
      Davinagirl3posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I think we would be smoking weed and enjoying hemp products if it wasn't for Hearst and Anslinger.  It is all about money, not morality.  Only the minions believe weed is worse for you than tequila.  Prisons boost the economy in rural areas.  Just think of how many people would be without a job if little Johnny couldn't get busted for his herb.

      1. Jewels profile image82
        Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Aren't there varieties of hemp that are not hallucinogenic which can be used to make paper and fabric for clothes.  I love hemp clothes, they're so expensive though.  Should be cheap if we grew hemp as a commodity like cotton.

        1. Davinagirl3 profile image61
          Davinagirl3posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          There are types of hemp that are not used for drugs.  Hemp cannot be grown in America because W.R. Hearst owned paper companies that used wood pulp.  He also owned most of the newspapers in the free world.  He and Anslinger started a smear campaign on marijuana to outlaw ALL hemp.  Hemp paper costed him money... hence, weed is illegal.  It didn't even start as a drug issue.  Marijuana, becoming illegal, was collateral damage.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

            lol thanks for sharing, I am not up on my hemp history I see.

            1. Colebabie profile image61
              Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Hemp was used to make ropes for boats. There is a hemp store next to my school. They make frames, books, coasters, etc.

      2. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know about you or anyone else, but I find it pretty amazing and odd that no one has spoken up to say weed should be illegal? Why is this? Someone had a word in keeping it illegal.

        1. Davinagirl3 profile image61
          Davinagirl3posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I don't see the logic in keeping it illegal when alcohol is legal.  There is a documentary called, High, (I think) with a lot of good insight. 
          It is called, "High: The True Tale of American Marijuana".

        2. Jewels profile image82
          Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Personally I think it should remain illegal.  However, I want some politicians with balls to stop the monopoly of the cotton and paper industries.

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      sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      neither, he would be dead. lol

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        lol why would he be dead?

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          sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          he got stoned to death..pretty common then. big_smile

    3. getpaidtopost profile image61
      getpaidtopostposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Come on, God? Noah's ark? think your the one on drugs if you ever believed this story. wink

    4. chukra G profile image57
      chukra Gposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      who is this NOAH?

      1. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        A character from the bible who supposedly built a boat and put all the animals on earth onboard when the world was flooded, thus saving them all.

        1. chukra G profile image57
          chukra Gposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          supposedly, so he failed in his mission?

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            I guess he did chukra, I do not believe the story is true, but many do.

            1. chukra G profile image57
              chukra Gposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              smile

  2. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    If he would have fell asleep stoned instead of drunk, would he still have fallen asleep naked?

    How did a drunk build an arc to hold every animal in the world? Does God favor naked drunks? If he would have been a stoner, would God still have picked him?

  3. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    I don't know how the law would be, but we may have missed out on a lot of infighting amongst the isms.

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    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    I'm sorry.  I know this is very serious...but lololololololololololololololo

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol your fault

  5. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    If the bible is made from hemp paper .......

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      makes sense, someone was very stoned!

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        "Falls outta chair" lol

  6. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 8 years ago

    Wow. That is a really interesting topic. I hope you get a good discussion going on this!

    And what if, at the wedding at Caana Jesus hadn't turned water into wine, but had turned salad into mary jane.

    And what if, instead of gold, frankincense and myrrh, the 3 wise men had brought the Baby Jesus a load of purple bud instead. Hmmmm.

    Well, it seems to me that the modern implications of Biblical weed are that to the extent that our laws are made by people who use the Bible as their reference guide in making such laws, then weed would be legal. Alcohol might also, tho, because it is mentioned quite often in the Bible in various contexts.

    There is certainly Biblical precedent for a variety of laws governing us today. "Thou shalt not kill" "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods" are two that come to mind...

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      They might as well have put "thou should not get baked" because it's the same as leaving it out. I think the prophets are hypocrites! How can you talk to God if you aren't stoned?


      More to add to my "theory". Religion is a conspiracy to have people not think! Why would they want to mention a "thinkers drug" which is not a drug at all.

      1. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Very, very stoned!

  7. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 8 years ago

    What about tripping? I think Moses probably dropped some shrooms up there on the mount. Normal people don't have visions of burning bushes or hear voices.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol

    2. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      ROFL. That's such a visual. lol

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      dennisemattposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      are you saying Im not normal????

      1. Jewels profile image82
        Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        You're as rare and precious as the shrooms on the mount. smile

    4. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Shrooms on the Mount - I think that could be a great hub from MM. Can't wait for that one.

  8. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Seriously, what else would they do? Sit and pray all day? You know they smoked bud.

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      And got off on the "Gold tops" and "blue meanies" mushrooms are an old life form.

  9. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    Many religious people will not try drugs. The idea that there is more to learn from them never gets tested. I would like to see them all well bent.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I do not classify weed as a drug because it does little to no damage. I think it's facts for doing good far outweigh the bad.

    2. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I do not understand why "some" religious will be alcoholics and will judge those who smoke bud?


      I thought religion teaches not to judge?

      1. fortunerep profile image60
        fortunerepposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Because Alcohol is "Socially Acceptable"  where  as weed is not so they just smoke it at home on the down low

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I'm glad you said this. I would like to make the point that alhocol "prevents thought" while weed "increases thought".

  10. fortunerep profile image60
    fortunerepposted 8 years ago

    If only Goldentoad was here for this one!

    Now weed has been around since well forever.  It was used as rituals in Indian Ceremonies.  I am sure it was one of those gifts to baby Jesus for the parents, frankinsense, myrrr um.......

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      So why does religion and the bible hide weed? To prevent free thought?

      1. Bob Cedar profile image48
        Bob Cedarposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        It's like Bob Marley said "They don't want you smoking the herb, because it makes you too solid"

  11. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 8 years ago

    Eastern spiritual leaders are totally into drugs. Remember the transformation of the Beatles after their magical mystery tour?

    But booze def seems to be the vice of choice for most religious leaders. Communion wine. Yum.

  12. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    Gimme 6 of them gold tops mushrooms, 2 white buds, and I will build you an arc and load it with animals including quite a few brand new ones that I just invent.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not floating in any arc you are building! lol I don't like swimming!

    2. fortunerep profile image60
      fortunerepposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      what's a white bud?

      1. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        One particular strain of MJ turns white on the outside when it is peaked properly and ready to pick.
        I have only had it once in Australia at a place called Womens Mountain, it was very psychedelic and only took about three tokes to be away in fairy land.

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          A true professor! I want to hop with the kangaroo's!

  13. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    I think were onto something!

  14. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Why does the government not want weed legalized? Are they scared of thinkers?

  15. fortunerep profile image60
    fortunerepposted 8 years ago

    Heck yeah marine I am with you...

    slow it down now Ernest, It is getting scary

    The government want legalize weed because of the  money they make.  If a person is caught with a large amount of marijuana they have to pay the taxes of it's street value.  If the farmer can pay fines and taxes he get off pretty easy.  Money always talks. Marijuana always walks.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Isn't weed California's number 1 cash crop? How is this possible when weed is illegal? I think some politicians are dealing bud.

  16. fortunerep profile image60
    fortunerepposted 8 years ago

    duh, ya think.  they are not what they seem

  17. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    How much taxpayer money do we pay for law enforcement, criminals getting arrested for weed? Pretty ridiculous amount.

  18. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Why would God expect someone to get through life without smoking some bud?

    Did God not naturally put weed on the earth?

  19. flread45 profile image81
    flread45posted 8 years ago

    If Noah smoked weed,he may have wrecked the Ark and we wouldn't have any creatures to look at!!smile smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Sir, If Noah would have gotten stoned, he wouldn't have attempted to build an impossible arc in the first place. lol

  20. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Where is the religious to tell me I am going to hell for smoking some bud while your preacher gets drunk?

  21. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Do they have jakelope's in australia?

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      No Jackalopes, plenty of kangaroos and wallabies though.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I like all of those as well, still nothing like a rabbit with horns.

        1. earnestshub profile image86
          earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I'll say! How big is a Jakelope?

  22. Phlash profile image56
    Phlashposted 8 years ago

    Isn't the only reason weed is illegal is because there was such a threat to the paper industary from hemp, that congress was forced to illegalise it?

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I have no clue but you have to be stoned!!! lol I'm jk

    2. Amanda Severn profile image91
      Amanda Severnposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      You can make good quality fabric from hemp too. Perhaps the paper lobby and the cotton lobby got together on this one.....

      1. Jewels profile image82
        Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        It was, I've no doubt.  God damn it!  Maybe Obama is powerful enough to change this?  We can hope, yes?

        1. Amanda Severn profile image91
          Amanda Severnposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Makes a lot of sense doesn't it? Hemp grows well on inhospitable ground, and it's a great crop on so many levels.

          1. Jewels profile image82
            Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            It's a travesty.  I can't understand it, other than to think the monopoly on cotton is the issue.  But this is making this thread serious.  Everyone wants to be stoned and have munchies.

  23. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Maybe it is illegal because they will not be able to regulate the growth and regulate the taxes.

    Or maybe it's illegal because it is a "thinkers drug" and the government does not want people to think of how jacked up things are?

  24. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 8 years ago

    LOL. The government comes up with some pretty lame reasons to to make things legal or illegal. Somehow, I doubt it's because they don't want its citizenry stoned and thinking deep thoughts.

    They make weed illegal because they are on a crusade to get rid of obesity and they don't want people muching out on fast food. LOL.

  25. fortunerep profile image60
    fortunerepposted 8 years ago

    yea it's a conspiracy, I think too much without it I can't debate with you, you agree and I agree so that is not debatable.  Why the government want legalize it is.  But, I think Obama Rama will before it is over with.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Eh this is interesting. Does Obama really want people thinking right now?

  26. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    They make weed illegal because they are on a crusade to get rid of obesity and they don't want people muching out on fast food. LOL.

    LOL Outstanding, is this the theory?

    If this is correct, then the government will probably start promoting coke and crack to make people lose weight! lol

  27. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Will someone still get into heaven if they arrive at the gates stoned?

    1. fortunerep profile image60
      fortunerepposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      If I suddenly die and end up at the gates of heaven I will surely have lost my buzz by then, know this.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know, I don't wanna mess with trying to find my way through any clouded tunnels stoned. I might be delayed.

        1. fortunerep profile image60
          fortunerepposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          How do you know there are tunnels?

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

            I watched people come back from the dead when I was stoned watching discovery channel! lol

            If there are tunnels, I would need a GPS to find my way if I was baked.

    2. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      What if it wears off before you get there?  Apparently it's a journey and not automatic.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Ahhh, but what if it is a stoned "journey" lol

  28. fortunerep profile image60
    fortunerepposted 8 years ago

    He will approve of anything that takes peoples negative focus off of him and onto something else. When I was doing mu hub yesterday on the Swine Flu update, I noticed that out of all the the states in America Washington DC only has 33 cases compared to my small state with 255. He hides alot of shit.  Probably got the vaccine for all potiticians and lobbyists.  I have been there, it is as congested as NY. People from everywhere.  But NY has close to 3000.  Lets have a debate on the Swine Flu some don't think it's a threat.  ARe you kiddin me.  Yeah I am thinking too much
    dori

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I don't really fear the swine flue however I will say that you are obviously a thinker! I don't think government likes thinkers, I know the military doesn't from experience.

      1. fortunerep profile image60
        fortunerepposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        the government hates me, I knew it.

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Quite the opposite. The government loves you and me because we pay their ridiculous salaries.

      2. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I would like to add something. I do find it curious as do you how Obama will continue to place blame taking any attention from him or his party as you said. This has also been widely mentioned on talk radio. What you didn't think I listened to talk radio every now and then because I smoke bud?

  29. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    If someone would have gotten stoned and debated a prophet, would the stoner have gotten stoned with rocks?

    1. fortunerep profile image60
      fortunerepposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      according to the bud, it may feel like cotton balls and hilarious too.

  30. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Where did earnest go?

  31. viryabo profile image86
    viryaboposted 8 years ago

    Im laughing so hard, my ribs are cracking. Great and funny posts.
    HP forums are the best.
    My opinion? MJ i think makes you think and can give you great creativity and inspiration.

  32. David Bowman profile image60
    David Bowmanposted 8 years ago

    There's no telling how many animals we wouldn't have today if Noah had toked up on some reefer. Can anyone say "munchies"?

  33. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 8 years ago

    I could go either way with the debate. There are reasons why weed should be illegal. But in my own family, and in most others, I see alcohol as more of a problem. Weed has been the source of arguments between my brother and my parents, but it hasn't caused any serious harm, yet.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not trying to jump on you or anything, I would like to know what areas you think it should be illegal. I think it should only be illegal until a person is 18.

      1. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Well my sister is 18, and she tried weed for the first time, had an anxiety attack, called 911, rode in an ambulance, and was in the emergency room for a night. Not a pleasant experience. I was called out of work and told my sister was in an accident and to go to the hospital. She'll never try pot again. If it was legal, it would have to be regulated? Which means big companies? I dunno.

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          With all due respect, I haven't heard many cases like this one however I appreciate you bringing it up. Do you think a case like the one with your sister should have weed illegal when it has many good purposes?

          I think the government is scared that they will not be able to regulate and tax growth or either they do not want the public to use a thinkers drug.

          1. Colebabie profile image61
            Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            I work in health promotions at a university. My sister's case is not uncommon. Does marijuana have many good purposes? Of course. Should it be denied to those who need it? Of course not. However, I'm not sure what providing it to the general public would do.

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

              I'm not educated enough on the medicinal advantages of weed. Hopefully someone with more knowledge on that will comment. I will say from the mental standpoint that it works beyond wonders for stress and anxiety.

              1. Colebabie profile image61
                Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, for you. While some others may become extremely anxious and stressed. I know this isn't in most cases, however, just like certain medications, there will always be different effects.

          2. Colebabie profile image61
            Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Yes it will be difficult to regulate. While brewing companies have been in America for decades and are regulated, as well as tobacco companies (although both are iffy)... would there be weed manufacturers? Would this decrease the amount of home growers and sellers? It is not "thinkers drug" that they "fear" but rather the effects of legalizing something that can be grown an modified in one's home, and the actual effects of the drug itself.

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

              I agree with your comments. I truly have a "high" suspicion that it being a "thinkers drug" has some role to play. Why do they drink in religion but not smoke weed? Maybe the religious would question or debate the religion if they were stoned.

              1. Colebabie profile image61
                Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Not sure what you mean specifically about "thinkers" drug? Could you explain? Maybe religious figures did smoke? Who knows? As far as comparing it to alcohol use, possibly it was easier to drink because it was more available. I don't know the complete history of the plant, but it tends to grow better in certain areas. Like where I just came from vacation smile

                1. marinealways24 profile image60
                  marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  I "guarantee" religious leaders smoked bud while the followers likely did not. How else would a prophet see God in a flame of bushes?

                  On the thinker drug comment, I do not know the physics behind it's working. I can tell you that deep thoughts and ideas for most some people run very "analytical" when baked. With some it may slow the mind down, with others it may increase depth or debate in thought. Again, I don't know the medical terms or how this happens.

                  1. Colebabie profile image61
                    Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    Again, not sure if pot was grown in the area. Other hallucinogen, maybe? As far as being a "thinkers" drug.... sure some people have expansive thought while under the influence of drugs or medications. Many of the world's "geniuses" were stoned off their asses. Kary Mullis who developed PCR for amplifying DNA was on LSD when he came up with the idea. However, I don't think the government fears this. Edgar Allan Poe used opium, but he also died at the age of 40.

                  2. Jewels profile image82
                    Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    OK, think you need to take a wide berth on the term "thinker drug."  Free thought?  There's no doubt that when a person is more relaxed the mouth opens more and a less inhibited person may feel free to say what's on his mind.  Major limits to the effects of weed on the mind.  Think of caffeine (not totally a good example), but initially it clears the mind, it's a stimulant.  Taken to the extreme you are wired and other chemical reactions occur.  Being wired doesn't make you intelligent.  Can make you anxious.  When caffeine wears off, it's like being dumped on.

                    With the case of marijuana, you can get stimulated (or not).  Have you ever noticed the amount of bullshit that comes out of a stoned persons mouth.  Major limits to the positive effects of marijuana on the mind.  Doesn't take long before you are incoherent and talking like a possessed alien.

                    Thinker drug?  I've never heard of this term before.

  34. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Here is the contradiction in our laws. A fresh recruit can enter the military straight from highschool. They can sign the paperwork while still in highschool. Our government will put a rifle in an 18yo's hand, expect them to kill and watch friends be killed, yet the soldier/marine and not allowed to smoke some bud? Maybe that would make the marine or soldier question the motives behind the orders and the wars they are fighting if they smoked. Scary thought. If anyone can explain logic in this, please do.

    1. Colebabie profile image61
      Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Or have a drink for that matter. It is just the way our culture has developed. Alcohol is not a part of a meal but rather a way to get drunk. MADD won't let the drinking age be lowered, rightfully so I suppose, since most Americans drink to get drunk. Weed, again, is not a part of our culture, but an illegal substance that is normally used at a certain point in someone's life. It's hard to change precedence.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I would like to make a comment on alcohol compared to weed. I do think alcohol should be illegal until at least 21. From my time in the Marines and Working in a bar, I have seen countless people destroyed from alcohol use. I have "never" seen weed do "anywhere" the damage of alcohol. I don't like to use alcohol as a comparison because non stoners will say I'm just using alcohol to justify weed. However, the results are in for those who want to be real, weed simply does not compare to the damage from alcohol usage.

        1. Colebabie profile image61
          Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I was using alcohol as a comparison when discussing culture and precedent. I wouldn't use alcohol as a comparison of negative effects.

  35. profile image0
    \Brenda Scullyposted 8 years ago

    This is an extremely disrespectful hub in my most humble opinion.......

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Do you drink? Noah drank? Is wine better? Good thing Noah didn't have a car, he would have gotten a DUI. How is this thread disrespectful? For using thought?


      In all due respect, I forgot that religion does not use logic.

    2. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Disrespectful to whom?

  36. profile image0
    \Brenda Scullyposted 8 years ago

    er ...... Noah, and people who believe in that account, what is it about anyway....

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      How can you be disrespectful to an imaginary dead guy and people who believe that account?  lol

  37. onthewriteside profile image61
    onthewritesideposted 8 years ago

    Some religions smoke weed.  Remember that church down in Florida?  LOL!  Anyway, of all the stoners I have ever had the pleasure of knowing, I can think of only one that had "bad effects" from smoking pot.

    As far as alcohol being more dangerous to society?  I would have to agree with that whole-heartedly.

    1. Colebabie profile image61
      Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah I live in Florida. As far as "bad effects" I know quite a few students who have had them. Alcohol being more of a danger, yes I think we can agree on that. But I'm not in the 9th grade anymore and I have stuff to do... so I choose not to smoke smile Dinner with friends after working all week, yes I'll have a glass of wine. And lung cancer runs in my family, for every year you smoke on a regular basis your chance increases 7%.

  38. profile image0
    \Brenda Scullyposted 8 years ago

    so now you are being disrespectful to me, but if you and I ever agreed on anything I would really worry, but I do like you, don't know why, I am just a respectful kinda person I suppose x

    1. Colebabie profile image61
      Colebabieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I think Mark is just wondering what about the forum makes it disrespectful. I think it is perfectly fine to question the past.

    2. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Then you should respect my opinion that the account of Noah is complete garbage and never happened. wink

      I never said I did not like you either. Guess I am just a respectful person at heart.

  39. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    I'm waiting for someone to throw a waterboy line in, "weed is the devil!"

  40. onthewriteside profile image61
    onthewritesideposted 8 years ago

    hey marine....I left you a post to "smoke on" over at your atheist thread...

  41. enderw1ggins profile image60
    enderw1gginsposted 8 years ago

    OK, what if Noah picked the shrooms from all the animal feces? He would be the ancient psychedelic Timothy Leary..man. Have you ever read the bible? Have you ever read the Bible....on weed?
    Man...wheels within wheels, seas parting...proof of total stonerisms man. The bible is groovy and far out man!
    Wait what if instead of King David, he was actually Chong? That would change things man.
    I made some killer sandals out of hemp. It was sooo heavy man!

  42. Davinagirl3 profile image61
    Davinagirl3posted 8 years ago

    Weed is considered a "gateway" drug because it is illegal.  I was buying weed once, like when I was in college, and I thought "primo" meant "good weed", as in premium.  When I found out what it really was, I was shocked.  This would not happen if it was legal.  Dealers are criminals and would try to sell cocaine to a pothead who didn't know any better.  If it was legal, all this "gateway" nonsense would be squelched.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I love when some will bring the "gate way" drug up. How exactly do they know that the individual wouldn't have went to another drug "without" smoking bud? How do they know that the alcohol they got tanked on wasn't the gateway drug? Every idea to keep it illegal is irrational. This is why little to no people have written to say it should be illegal.

      1. Jewels profile image82
        Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I can see the dangers of marijuana, it's more the cellular damage of the brain.  Could also say alcohol should be banned also because of the destruction it can cause on the drinker, and the flow on effects this has on families and child abuse.  That's an experiential knowledge there.

        I advocate it's controlled us in medical situations.

        You know, at the end of the day you could say sugar should be banned also.  It's causing so much havoc on society as it also is mind altering, but not to the extend alcohol and marijuana is.

        If you need to learn to relax and chill out there are other ways of doing it that don't need drugs.  Full on meditators (I'm not talking the new agers who use it for positive thinking), have proven that marijuana and magic mushrooms - mind altering drugs used to go into blissful states are limiting.  The spaces of a non drug user compared to a drug user are much different.

        So I guess be really careful with the weed cause you may end up in some space you had no control over going to.  That's the main difference, you are out of control in your state of consciousness.

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          LOl I will respectfully and kindly disagree. The last statement was entirely false. You want to ban sugar also? Anything else? Ridiculous, how can you agree to ban everything you don't agree with? Do you think meditation would work for everyone because it works for you? Doesn't work this way. I would like to theorize with any of the people who claim that thought is limited when stoned. Please explain how I am out of my consciousness when stoned?

          1. Jewels profile image82
            Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            On the sugar subject - firstly it's also a drug, it's a stimulant and the majority of the world's population is addicted to it.  Besides a person's will power to abstain, the main causes of obesity are sugar, sodium and fats.  The vast majority of processed foods contain all of these ingredients.  The ability to get free of these substances is akin to giving up heroin.  And considering it's more difficult to get off cigarettes than heroin, imagine what it takes to get off sugar, sodium and fats (processed foods).  Coca Cola is full of caffeine - it's a drug, is also full of sugar.  Nicely addictive isn't it.

            Consciousness is massively limited when stoned.  You are not in control for starters.  I've had the privilege to have experienced both, so unless you have done substantial periods of meditation perhaps you need to do some before you can comment.

            With weed, you usually stay in a boundary.  You think wow, this is groovy, but there is a ceiling, definitely a ceiling.  Is so funny, when you come out of a meditation it's not unusual to say "who needs drugs."  It's so amazing.  Thing with meditation there is a very marked sense of physical and mental wellbeing.  With weed, there is a fog, a heaviness that hangs around.  Often the immediate withdrawal from marijuana can trigger emotion - not always, but basically you are back where you were before you inhaled.

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

              "Thought is massively limited when stoned.  You are not in control for starters"

              Wrong again. Thought is not limited when it has no barriers. How do you know if i'm in control of myself? This is an irrational statement. How can I pick out your irrational statement when you aren't limited right now?

              "With weed, you usually stay in a boundary.  You think wow, this is groovy, but there is a ceiling, definitely a ceiling."

              This was your experience. I am picking out your irrational statements rather than staring at the ceiling.

              I will honestly say that I cannot comment too much on meditation because I have not tried it. However, bud seems more entertaining.

              1. Jewels profile image82
                Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                OK that's fine if you want to have your hallucinogenic experiences.  To say I'm wrong is
                limited to your own experiences - that's cool.  Try it without the dope and then get back to me we can then compare notes.

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                  sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  I will compare notes with you.  Though I do object to the "groovy" statement. lol

                  Some Buddhist monks do use mild drugs such as marijuana before they meditate.  You would think a monk is a pretty good mediator with or without the use, so why would one chose it one day and not the next?

                  Have done both, I can say sometimes when stoned I cannot meditate because my mind is too busy to slow down.

                  On the other hand, sometimes my sober mind is to busy I need help slowing down.  I would get stoned.

                  I would say the use of marijuana is subjective when it comes to meditation. However I will say that after words, the results are the same. 

                  If I was stone, I feel sober when I am done.  If I was sober I feel quite stoned when I am done. lol

                  1. earnestshub profile image86
                    earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    Sandra you need better hooch, with more THC Delta9 smile

                  2. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    Excellent thought you added Sandra or maybe it looked excellent from my limited mind with barriers.

                  3. Jewels profile image82
                    Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    I can't quote writings, but am aware that Buddhists, Buddhist teachers in fact did use drugs to induce alternate states of consciousness.  They in fact wanted them to take them to where they were told they could reach through meditation.  Apparently it worked for awhile, but it's through their own experiences that they found out that it limits the mind - or limits consciousness and does not help in the long run.  Even Buddhist Monks have bad days!

                    Meditation is a discipline and in the beginning the mind is the enemy.  Interesting you can start out having experiences of a fairly quiet mind - say you did 10 days with a teacher, you may get fairly good results.  Then all of a sudden the mind starts to go crazy.  You'd think that after your initial 10 days you would have got somewhere.  It doesn't work that way.  Mastering the chitta - the ceaseless and stupid chatter - is something to overcome through discipline.  If you take marijuana you've created an addiction already to it being the way to quieten the mind.  I use the term addiction loosely there - I don't mean having a 12 step program addiction.  You've used an outside influence to assist with an internal state - it's a crux.

                    Sandra, respecting your experiences. Am wondering what it is you are wanting out of meditation.  If it's relaxation then go for it, if it's to learn to quieten the mind and discipline it and find your 'centre,' marijuana won't help in the long run.

                    Yikes, I think I'm making a light thread heavy. Sorry people.

                2. marinealways24 profile image60
                  marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  I am respectfully saying you are wrong to judge my mindset. You say my thought has barriers? I will debate thought if you wish and we will see who has barriers. This is an irrational statement. Only I know my mindset. As to the meditation, I didn't say I wouldn't ever try it, I just said bud is more appealing.

  43. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 8 years ago

    WE MUST HAVE STRONGER MAIJUANA LAWS!!!
    The Marijuana is not strong enough.

  44. Jewels profile image82
    Jewelsposted 8 years ago

    Control seems a silly word to use when going into altered states. With marijuana you say you want to be out of control, like that's the whole reason?  Not sure what the individual's reason is for doing it.  Thing is with meditation you are consciousness of the spaces and you have some navigating choices with it.  Difficult to explain this one.  Lets say with drugs you lose center, with meditation you have a perspective of self.  Even though when you reach Self (Atman - an ultimate state of meditation) you can lose consciousness.  With weed you will never get to that state.  It may not be your aim, fair enough.  But it shows the ceiling, the limitation.

  45. JonTutor profile image55
    JonTutorposted 8 years ago

    @Jewels Thanks for the wonderful fan letter.... It's difficult to explain things when the other person hasn't had similar experiences or at least is open to the possibility.... I have had some past life experiences which very few can understand... for others it might be crazy talk.

    1. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I've heard lots of past life stories - you won't scare me there.  Though at the end of the day it's about how they relate to you in this life.

      I agree, a person can feel like an island at times.  We need to build more bridges and be open!

  46. my-success-guru profile image61
    my-success-guruposted 8 years ago

    I don't know if Noah smoked that stuff but I hear he had a really big boat LOL

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I would love to see how many cubits long and wide the boat would be to carry 2X all the species on the planet!

      1. my-success-guru profile image61
        my-success-guruposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        And how do you round up all those animals when America wasn't even discovered yet LOL

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          You use the divine animal whistle. lol

  47. cindyvine profile image88
    cindyvineposted 8 years ago

    Maybe he did smoke weed and that's why some animals look funny as he paired them wrongly and they mated and created strange new species

    1. earnestshub profile image86
      earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Ah, now that would explain a lot.

      1. Jewels profile image82
        Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I agree, something went mayonnaise with some of those beasts.

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        sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        that or the boat wasn't big enough to support the dinosaurs...thus extinction. lol

    2. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol good stuff

  48. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Jewels, please add your thoughts on what happens to thoughts during meditation?

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    dennisemattposted 8 years ago

    ANYWAY I missed the part where Noah got drunk and naked? I always thought weed was illegal cuz everyone smokes it, so they can take anything they want from you and say its "evidence." money, cars, dogs, houses...whatever...as long as you got some weed in there....I had no idea it was Noah's fualt.
    Oh, but I just thought of something, if Noah HAD to have had some on the boat, or we wouldnt have any now...also, Moses saw the burning bush...

  50. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    When getting out of the mind, do you mean losing emotion, hate for love, ego, interferrence, outside existence, ego?

    1. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      totally no emotion.  More feeling, but feeling is not the same as emotion in this instant.  Have to understand there is a difference.  Emotion is always responsive, generally it's reaction.  Feeling is more a state of being.  Bliss is being out of the mind, it's a feeling state. Glorious.

      Interesting, when you come out of the state, you wonder why you had no thoughts.  It's weird.  You think you tricked the mind in some way, but really you were not engaging it.

      Love has different meanings.  Love of pizza is not the same as love of a divine source (call that what ever you want).  High states of consciousness feel like a state of bliss which is really full on love.  Has no connotations of anything other than it just Being.  So it's beyond the love a mother has for a child even, but saying that - usually the love a mother has for her child is a good way of coming close to describing the feeling of being in bliss.

      And you don't feel your body.  That's a great indication that you are out of your normal state of consciousness.  You can be in cross legged position, straight back, meditation position, you're involuted so much you have left your physical body, or more your mind has turned away from the physical and into something more astral.

      Now it's after midnight. I must recuperate.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        When you say getting out of mind, I don't think I have ever been in my mind. Could you give me a short summary step by step of how you enter the state of meditation? If you haven't already, please let me know how meditation has changed your life. Are you happier, joyful, ?


        Can you give me an example of a specific idea or thought that meditation helped you on?

 
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