We as Christians are ruining the true doctrine of Christianity! We have began this war with non believers using political ways to hurl insults of others beliefs to try to get the non believers to turn from their false doctrine!
Who are we to judge their doctrine? God says we have no right to cast Judgment??
Has God changed the words of his bible for this present day?
To be Christ like is to love! Does God allow us to compromise this love for Atheism or homosexuality etc...?
The bible even says if we cast judgment then we too have indulged in the same sin! No sin is greater than the other a sin is a sin!
The rules for this thread is no insulting each other for the opinions and thoughts of religious views!
You have already managed to insult me by your assumptive statement. Read it again and see if you can spot it.
Yes. Sigh. But shouldn't the spirit of somebody's words be taken into consideration, too?
LOL earnest....I caught it right away too! "We as Christians..."? That's blasphemy in my book!
I saw it, immediately. How can a person be judgemental in a thread about not being judgemental?
Well I agree with this "Do Not Judge Less You Be Judged"
Agreed. Along with "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Jesus, like the Buddha, teaches compassion for others above all else. If you can't love someone who is a different faith than you, yet does all they can to help you and be kind to you, then what is the problem? Is it because he doesn't hold your exact views? That's very callous.
A pretty good point, overall.
I could never understand how supposedly "good" followers of Christ could be so hateful, vengeful, gossipy, and still claim to be Christians.
We are ready to point fingers at others, shouting their faults, perhaps only because we are so insecure with our own standing with God that we try to take attention from our own shame on the subject. We make others look bad for the sake of falsely ellavating ourselves, pretending God somehow approves?
According to all Christian doctrine, none of us is worthy to judge another. Yet we do it so well...
It is easier to preach... more difficult to practice.
You all are so wrong.
Within your own church you are allowed to judge the sin of fellow members and try to restore him to practical holiness before he gets chastised.
Within your own household you are also to rule in accordance to God's word.
What you are NOT to judge is the eternal standing of a fellow believer, because you did not die on the cross for him, Christ did, if so be that he does belong to Christ.
Also, because you yourself ought to make your calling and election sure, so don't be a busybody pointing a finger at somebody IN THE CONGREGATION and saying, "I don't think he/she is saved", which by the way is the favorite pasttime in some churches I've joined, having had a hard time conquering tobacco during the early years of my conversion.
Now, what the televangelists and the "popular" preachers are doing is they are expecting those OUTSIDE of their church to live according to their moral standards.
Now, there is nothing in the Bible that says a Christian should be doing that.
This is a fallen world, and whether anybody here or there agrees or disagrees, I believe what the Bible says: ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD !
So, those outside who have no conversion to speak of cannot be expected to toe the moral line of those who have a claim on salvation.
Leave them be.
We need to first understand the difference between Judging hypocritically, or judging righteously.
It is one thing to say "I believe Homosexuallity to be a sin and against God?" or, "I believe those who commit adultery are deceitful and deserving of the consequences of their choice and that this is sinful against their family, themselves and against God."
This kind of judgement is afforded to the Christian believer to stand on that which is right, just and true. This brings no condemnation.
Many do not understand, and misinterpret. Typically those who misunderstand the statement of Christ where he said that we are not to be judged lest we are judged by the same judgment misunderstand the very context that he is talking about.
Now, what we do not have the right to do is judge hypocritical.
If we are living in sin with our girlfriend/boyfriend and say to someone else that what they are doing is wrong and sinful because they are living in sin just as much as we are, then we are in danger of the same condemnation and judgment. It is the hypocritical judgement that we are not to participate in. It is the hypocrisy of our own lifestyle, behavior, attitude etc that brings about our own judgment.
Yes, Christ taught that we are to love our neighbor as ourself, but he did not say to approve of their particular behaviors, attitudes and lifestyles.
Think about it. A parent loves their child no matter what. Yet, just because a parent loves their child, that does not mean that they turn their back on that child and allow that child to live their life without a knowledge of discipline, a knowledge of what is right and wrong. If a child steals a candy bar from the store, the parent loves the child.
Personally, people just misuse this concept with no regard as to the true understanding of what it is and means.
Even on a non-religious note. If you cheat on your partner yet condemn someone else who is doing the same thing, it is hypocritical. Now, if one is not walking in such a behavior and makes the observation and says that the other is not being honest with themselves and their partner and condemns the behavior, that is not hypocritical on the fact that the one judging is not committing the same act as the person being judged.
"Living in sin".....Were you a virgin till you got married?... If the answer is yes, at what age did you get married?.....Can you show me where exactly in Bible premarital sex is prohibited?....And how many Christians do you know personally who live up to that standard....Denying sexuality may lead to morbid obsession....IMO not healthy.
I agree with you. I think some people are just too defensive to justify themselves that's why the word to judge is mistakenly applied though it doesn't really mean judging them. We better shed off those onion skin. I think judging someone is like accusing someone for any crime with out any proven evidence.
The way I see it, I may not like a person's behavior, but I do not have to dislike the person.
When my second wife abandoned her son I had to explain this to him many times. "Don't hate your mom. just her behavior" was my catch cry.
I told my daughter, (when the same thing happened), not to hate her mom also. I told her that her mom still loves her, and did the best thing for her at the time, by giving me custody...which was the truth.
I had to fight for custody, as he is not my biological son. It took 7 years of court battles, as she had all the aces being the bio mother and all. I won custody, but in reality I was the only one going to his school, following his sport, feeding him etc. Despite that it cost me my business my home and about $700,000 in all. A bargain! He is a beautiful young man of twenty now, secure talented and happy!
That's great Earnest! Obviously it was the best thing for him! My daughter is 23 now, and despite her "late maturity", and horrible choices in men in the past, she is now getting her proverbial shit together and is turning into to quite the young lady...
Ummmm....I hope you mean that in a good way....
Absolutely! Fully sick comes from my 12 year old grand daughter... evidently a compliment of the highest order!!
LOL! Well then thanks man! And congrats on your persistence in getting your step-son! By the way...did he have a say in it?
He had all the say in it. I just did what he needed to stop the physical and emotional abuse.
Good for you man! I'm surprised it took as long as it did, if it was what he wanted anyway...
I had got his mom a great job for the CEO of a mining company, they had free legals for all employees. Her powerful lawyers stopped him being heard in court.
Wow...that's messed up. In the US a judge most certainly would have demanded to hear from the child before deciding...provided he/she was old enough...
That was part of the problem. He came to me when he was only 7. The family court would not hear his submission till he was 14 years old! He was so frustrated by then, he really gave them a serve. We saw a lot of shamed faces..
Well at least it all turned out for the better in the end. It's just too bad that it cost you both so much in getting there though...
So, just out of curiosity, do he and his mother get along nowadays?
They don't get on well, she will not change her outlook at all, she reckons she was right to abuse him, she saw no wrong in what she did. My son sees her about once a year usually at my insistance, but after a few minutes, away she goes again and he has to make excuses and leave her house. She lives with a guy who is abusive too.
Ah geez... well at least he's old enough to recognized what is what. Maybe it's better he just not have anything to do with her at all. I know that's a hard thing to say/do, but heck...
Fantastic that you came into his life when you did earnestshub....cheers
Thank you both for that compliment. Like everyone else I am deeply flawed, but could see no merit in not supporting a child when I was able to, as so many here would.
I am very selfish and greedy too, I want the love of my family very much, and this wonderful young man contributes so much to my well being and happiness.
Wow! Ernest you sound like a pretty sick dad/grandpa yourself.
I couldn't even imagine ever giving up my kid. Ugh, just the thought of it makes me want to go give her a giant hug. Yeah, I am gonna go do that right now.
Ok for example my bff the other day drove over to my house at 12pm, she brought her kid with her,who was in the back of the car. As she was talking to me another friend was walking by and stopped to talk to us with his little boy. My friend whispered to me, he should get his kid home to bed. hmmm... She always does this kind of stuff. Drives me nuts. Its ok for her to do something but not anyone else...
We judge every time we make a decision. And we are being judged every time some one makes a decision about us. If we did not we could not move forward. I make judgements every time I come to this site. Who not to read, who to read. Where and what to post and where not to post. We need to judge, in a balanced manner, dispassionately, with as many facts as possible.
by haj33965 years ago
only that if you are judging weather a person is going to heaven are hell, then that's something you can not judge.
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by schoolgirlforreal7 years ago
Well,I hear alot of these forums end up in insults etcMy question to you iswhy not move to a communist country? there is no worship allowed there like China- they don't allow the Bible without extreme punishment- at...
by SandCastles3 years ago
From what I've read in the bible, we are to identify wrong behaviours and speak up but we are not to play judge because that makes us prideful and reluctant to take the beam out of our own eye. Many Christians insist...
by greeneyesH19827 years ago
since people like to fight so much and slander every chance they get heres a forum just for THAT have at it guys!!
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