It is pretty hard to say much on the religious forum that has real meaning.
It is the same loaded topics produced by a handful of people who already have a fixed point of view. That closes the possibility of any exchange of information taking place.
Not sure what exchange of information you seek to find? If there are two individuals standing on opposite ends of the "faith spectrum" (IE one believes in God, and one who absolutely rejects the same), their frame of reference separates them. What exchange is possible?
It's up to the reader to "read into" the post as they please. How can a general statement of fact (accepted by one, rejected by another) be a personal attack? If I say all men are sinners. You don't believe that statement, but I do? Now what?
Is that an attack on you? No. Not in my mind.
If I said Jesus died for all mankind, (and I believe He did), is that an attack on someone who does not accept that (fact)? Again, I don't believe it is.
Dj - according to you, your "job" is to put the word of god out there. At the same time you say you "respect" other people's beliefs.
Yet you do not see the contradiction in this. If you genuinely respected my beliefs, you would not be constantly trying to introduce me to the word of your god. So my position becomes one of not being able to respect your beliefs when you insist on doing your "job.".
When I first started discussing religion here, there were some interesting and respectful discussions. Slowly the amount of people with god's word to share has grown to the point where the forum is unmanageable and unusable.
And if you think about it - this is exactly the same way "god's word," is spread on the outside world. Force, aggression and a determination that you have the word of god and it is your mission to spread it.
You are right - it is not possible to have a discussion with some one who has fixed ideas and no respect for another's beliefs. Quite honestly, I do not care what you believe - and you do believe some odd things - but your need to "put the word of god out there," is dis-respectful of others. And you are by no means the most aggressive one doing this.
It started slow and then there were so many I couldn't even keep track of the other threads I was watching, they would disappear buried under religious thread after another.
Golly, and in the last week or two, it's been even crazier. Usman got banned though I never found out what happened, then all the forums were spammed and then new people keep popping up just to post crap.
They aren't here to write, they aren't hear to learn, they aren't hear to make friends even, they are just hear to bitch the word out.
Its sort of like they are trying to take over the forum.
yea and who knows what other technical crazy crap they attempt to do ,by the way is anyones 'see all fans' button working again yet?
I agree. A forum is a place for debate. Both believers and non-believers have a legitimate interest in debating religious topics.
If people are not prepared to debate - i.e. to listen to other points of view and discuss their thoughts/beliefs intelligently, they have no business starting a thread.
I do think those who stir the pot by "having some fun at their expense" make matters a lot worse than they need to be, though.
I agree, I don't come to HubPages to be preached to.
I completely agree, earnesthub. I am trying desperately to "get over it", but I haven't been here as long as you.
I know there's no real resolution, no one will "win", but some topics get me overemotional. I must try to ignore certain threads, the futile ones.
cannot understand why some one who does not believe in god should care at all what goes on in the religious topics, I know will get a loud out roar now for that comment...... but if some one does not agree with say cars..... why if there was a car forum would they care less what was said in there......
live and let live is the answer I SUPPOSE....
Live and let live is good. I object when someone assumes their god on me.Religion is not about threatening people with the wrath of a god.
Unfortunately that is what most people in Christendom think religion is all about.
To scare people into "getting saved" and "accepting Jesus".
Now, I know you don't believe in God and what I'm going to say will probably sound as alien to you as if I speak to you in Martianese (which I don't speak) so I am REALLY really gonna wonder what the dickens you're doing in a religion forum if you reply to my next statements.
Jesus preached more on hell than He did on other subjects, except maybe, heaven and the kingdom of God.
But what religionists and the hellfire and brimstone guys miss is that He never preached on the subject to scare His listeners to have Him save them.
He preached on hell to illustrate to those who were listening, many of whom He was sent by His Father to redeem, WHAT He was redeeming them from and consequentially for them to glorify the Father for His mercy towards them and His grace and great love towards them that He sent His Son for their sakes, the innocent for the guilty.
I hear what you're saying, Brenda. But, to answer your question, it's because of the multitude of posts like these: (written just as they were posted)
"Atheism is just wrong concept nothing else" or
"Do Atheists Prove there is a God by saying they don't believe in One?" OR
"Why Atheist does not believe in God?" OR
"Atheism is irrational"
If you check the description of the religion forum, it includes epistemology (theory of knowledge), something I am interested in. And if you look at my posts here, for the most part you'll see that is my position - advancement of knowledge by better means than faith and shouting
Thats cool para, ive read many of your posts ,different opinion to mull over ,but unlike you many of these new posters are not mentally right if ya get my drift, its not just a matter of having a different opinion its the pscho's or too much crack with their cornflakes that ruin any forum.
well really and truly no one can speak for god, so just ignore what they say..... If you make very outspoken comments like god is a psychopath you will upset people sorry but you will..........
That does not worry me at all Brenda, I feel it is OK to give it or take it, and I post any readable replies. Thanks for your comment, always appreciated, you will always be heard with your kind and moderate ways... I will have to live in the world I create and take whatever that brings.For me, that's OK. See you in the forums!
I really dont get involved usually in religious comments.... don't know why I am today even..... but it is all so silly every one has their own views dont they?????? I think some people actually just throw comments around to get people angry, then slope of and enjoy watching the battle....
i don't know it is sad isn't it....... some lovely hubs out there though so I am going to read them instead of getting roped into debates that are kinda meaningless.....
Religion is not a great topic to discuss on here for me really... I just know I believe in god, and everyone else can believe whatever they like..... what is the weather like where you are it is nice today here no rain as yet.... love Brenda x
Brenda it is winter early evening and quite cold outside. I enjoy discussing religion having studied it for many years. I have no objection to your god, I do not know what you consider god to be... but to take the god of the old testament especially is some sort of model is preposterous to me. I see, as I have stated a mentally ill, psychopathic entity, and feel sure you would be past that in your godliness.
I also think that ignorance is not bliss, and yet do not see religious people reading broadly as mostly their religions forbids it.
I do not hold grudges or offer anything but love to those who do likewise.I do not hate anyone, and hope people can separate belief from the personal... even if I hate what someone does, I do not hate the person, not a part of my belief system. Have fun, Love Ern.
o.k. I understand..... just when I saw it up on the forum as a heading I was very surprised it was you that had written it... it was a bit of a shock..... but as I have said everyone has their own beliefs, and everyone is welcome to them of course...
I believe God was female and that goldfish exist solely for the sexual gratification of elephants!!!
Do I need to endorse those beliefs everyday to non believers? NO! So I Don't.
What I object to is the pompous I am more holy than thou BS that goes with these sort of forums.
The ability to collectively find common ground is removed before it has a chance to be developed.
That is my point of view... should I jam it down everyone's throat or do the thing I'm here for?
Brenda, that hub was a sincere attempt to show the way I view religion, and I intended it to shock.
I have written quite a few outspoken hubs, that is who I am I guess, and as I said... happy to deal with it.
This is how tired I am of them...
LOL I stopped taking both sides seriously a while ago, and usually just trying to have some fun at their expense
I've been over religion now for a very long time. I may call my God, God. But, it is not at all about rules, and torture. My belief is everyone has the right to choice what they believe. They have the right to be happy. They have the right to equal rights. and so on, getting tired. midnight time for bed.
It depends what they are loaded with, my son.
Loaded with parmesan and redolent with basil and garlic, now, that's quite acceptable in My sight ...
What annoys me the most is that the religionists don't keep their views in the religion forum (which I mostly avoid now or just look at to have a laugh) but spread their religious nonsense all over the place.
There could be a forum thread on "what i had for breakfast" and someone will jump in with how God is involved in that and how we should do this or do that. That's what gets my goat! I'm a great respector of others beliefs but I don't want to have to wade through their Bible vomit to get to something interesting.
bible vomit - that's the best description i've heard in years! the jury's still out on whether it's sad or outright amusing in watching organized religion turn itself into the infectious disease it currently is.
i once was acquainted with an elderly couple who changed congregations three times over the course of 18 months. they said it was because they didn't like some of the members of the church.
One is trying 2 infec Spaghetti Monster's thread .
Susana, thats funny ,coz I find it just as irritating the other way around.
But Religions online is a just another topic to some crackpots ,has been for sometime.
I also agree with Mark earlier ,that Religious forum ,used to have halfway decent discussions now its just a circus..of some dysfunctional clowns
There must be other ways to have fun.
Was thinking even if HP got rid of the Religious Forum ( they wouldnt anyway) looney tunes would still find a way to spew out crap.....both sides have wacko's no-ones excempt
I doubt they have even been in a church to be honest ,let alone know the first things about socialising. And then you have the followers who basically latch onto whoever looks like theyre winning...
We could make our own fun...just need to figure out how! Its to early for me to think about fun just yet. But not too much fun, or I'll be in the forums more than writing
Fun ( brains tickin..) ooops stopped ,lol
definately with ya there
Well going with the politcial revival on ...'change' ..not
I'd love to see the whole Forum revamped.
We could have our own government here (probably already do in some minds) lol...
So all we need is people to get elected ,run a campaign, and vola..Change a few things...cash for clunkers could become
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