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WHAT IS TRUTH? TRUTH SEEKERS WELCOME

  1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    ANSWERS?

    1. mohitmisra profile image61
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "Behold but one in all things, It is the second that leads you astray." Kabir

    2. andromida profile image75
      andromidaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      truth is a circle whose circumference is full of  real facts.It up to you to fill up your circumferences with different real facts.

    3. anjalichugh profile image88
      anjalichughposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Who knows what is 'Truth'. All of us have our individual connotations and we like to hold on to them while attempting to prove others wrong. Who knows what is right and what is wrong! Its all a human perception which again is nothing but an illusion.

      1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
        quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        THE TRUTH is not human, has no illusion, sees all things, knows all things, reveals all things.

        THE REAL TRUTH has NOTHING to do with "YOUR" individual connotations because HE dwells far above them and does not receive consulting from any creature. HE IS ALL WISE and ALL POWERFUL.

        Human perception is an illusion, THE TRUTH does NOT perceive as they do, HE discerns all things and cannot be fooled. smile

        "who knows what the TRUTH is?"  THE WORDS OF GOD ARE THE TRUTH. The MIND of Messiah speak HIS WORDS and HE gives that mind to HIS people to speak HIS TRUTH.


        The Word was first,
        The Word was before time began
        The Word present to God
        God was present to the Word.
        The Word was God,
        in readiness for God from day one.

        Everything was created through him;
        nothing—not one thing!—
        came into being without him.
        What came into existence was Life,
        and the Life was Light to live by.
        The Life-Light shines the darkness;
        the darkness cannot put it out.

  2. Paraglider profile image90
    Paragliderposted 7 years ago

    Did you start this thread because to want to consider others' views or because you want to tell us the answer?

    1. RooBee profile image82
      RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Now you know the answer to that, don't you - the TRUTH, if you will. smile

    2. quietnessandtrust profile image60
      quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Your point of view is welcome big_smile

      What is truth?

      1. Paraglider profile image90
        Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        OK. Within tautological fields (like arithmetic) truth by definition is that which can be proven true by the fundamental axioms.

        In metaphysical fields there is no proof of truth. People make statements (e.g. SirDent's statement above) that are expressions of faith. As such, they may or may not be true. No-one can tell.

        In scientific areas, we don't deal with truth. We proceed by falsification. That which cannot (yet) be falsified might be true, but there is no need to believe it. Just use it if it's useful until it is replaced by a better approximation.

        1. Marisa Wright profile image94
          Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly

        2. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          As I keep saying over and over again, 1+1 does not always equal 2. Therefore those are not absolute truths either. smile

          1. aka-dj profile image79
            aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What universe is that in?
            Try convincing the banks or the tax office! big_smile

          2. Paraglider profile image90
            Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry Misha - 'within a tautological field' there is absolute truth by definition, but the operative word is 'within'. No-one is pretending that Cartesian Geometry holds for all space.

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              OK, you are right. Too much wine already I guess smile

              1. Paraglider profile image90
                Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hey, this is the religion forum - no-one ever says that!  lol

                1. marinealways24 profile image60
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Very true, except those of us that are humble enough to learn.

                2. quietnessandtrust profile image60
                  quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this


                  John 2
                  1ON THE third day there was a wedding at Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.

                      2Jesus also was invited with His disciples to the wedding.

                      3And when the wine was all gone, the mother of Jesus said to Him, They have no more wine!

                      4Jesus said to her, [[a]Dear] woman, what is that to you and to Me? [What do we have in common? Leave it to Me.] My time (hour to act) has not yet come.(A)

                      5His mother said to the servants, Whatever He says to you, do it.

                      6Now there were six waterpots of stone standing there, as the Jewish custom of purification (ceremonial washing) demanded, holding twenty to thirty gallons apiece.

                      7Jesus said to them, Fill the waterpots with water. So they filled them up to the brim.

                      8Then He said to them, Draw some out now and take it to the manager of the feast [to the one presiding, the superintendent of the banquet]. So they took him some.

                      9And when the manager tasted the water just now turned into wine, not knowing where it came from--though the servants who had drawn the water knew--he called the bridegroom

                      10And said to him, Everyone else serves his best wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then he serves that which is not so good; but you have kept back the good wine until now!

                      11This, the first of His signs (miracles, wonderworks), Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory [by it He displayed His greatness and His power openly], and His disciples believed in Him [adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Him].(B)


                  HIS first miracle was to make approximately 180 gallons of wine.

            2. quietnessandtrust profile image60
              quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              ? Question ?

              When one man and one woman are joined together in marriage and become one flesh, are the 2 still 2 or 1 ??? smile

              In Hebrew this is known as Echad (the "ch" is pronounced like a German would)

              1. Paraglider profile image90
                Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                In English it's known as semantics.

        3. quietnessandtrust profile image60
          quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So, do you know anything to be the truth about>>>>> anything ???...at all ???

          1. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The truth is that...For every action (or decision) there are multipal posabilities of outcomes  (future realities) And for every action ther is a equal but opposit reaction.  Thus a potential of multipal truths

            1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
              quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              There is one action that does NOT have "multiple responsibilities" big_smile

              So your truth has an error in it professor.smile

            2. quietnessandtrust profile image60
              quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              4 mis-spelled words in one paragraph?

              Spell check broken? smile

              After all, if you do not spell words correctly, a whole world of multiple possibilities could be drawn. smile

          2. Paraglider profile image90
            Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'm sorry you did not understand my reply. And as I've previously intimated, your use of odd colours and typographical effects merely emphasises your lack of substance.

        4. hubby7 profile image79
          hubby7posted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. underhiswings profile image59
            underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Scientists will never know all of the truth, they are only men, made from dust, frail and weak.

            The Truth transcends any man.

    3. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think you pretty much own the thread after this statement. He has no will to learn, only teach.

      1. Paraglider profile image90
        Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That is certainly my impression to date. But I've answered his question, so let's see if he agrees with me or not smile

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You have excellent individual ideas to share. If he has any intelligence, he will not answer your questions. He refuses anothers intelligence in something he does not know in his arrogance of only what he "assumes" to know.

    4. candice5 profile image60
      candice5posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The latter:)

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    SirDentposted 7 years ago

    God and Him alone is truth.

  4. BrianFanslau profile image60
    BrianFanslauposted 7 years ago

    anything that is an absolute smile

    1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
      quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is an   absolute   lie..."truth?"

      Other than to say
      "he told the truth when he admitted he lied"


      Did he not "still tell a lie?"

      Can one "lie" about "the truth?"

      Does "anything absolute"...mean it is "truth?"

      Or can we say "we have ABSOLUTE TRUTH and ABSOLUTE LIES?"

      I mean, if we are talking in absolute terms big_smile

  5. aka-dj profile image79
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    A crime is committed. A suspect is interviewed, who denies the accusation. No evidence is strong enough for prosecution. No proof will ever surface.
    What is the truth? Did the suspect do it?
    Somebody did it! Will the truth ever be found. Does the truth exist?
    Is there "justice"?
    If there is NO ultimate/absolute truth, it should not matter either if there is a truth, or whether or not justice is achieved (or not).

    1. Paraglider profile image90
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      aka-dj - justice is based on proof "beyond reasonable doubt". That is pragmatism. But justice sometimes miscarries. That is unfortunate wink

      1. aka-dj profile image79
        aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ye Ye! BUT, what's the truth? We may not know it, nor be able to prove it, but that does NOT deny it's existence.

        1. Paraglider profile image90
          Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          In the case of a crime, we can know that something definitely happened though we may not know exactly what. I see where you're heading, but a statement like "God spoke to Moses from a burning bush" doesn't prove the existence of God. (Or were you taking it somewhere else?

          1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
            quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Let's say that GOD "is real"...just for a second so the question can be asked of you OK? smile

            If GOD appeared to you and told you that HE IS THE TRUTH...would you believe HIM???...or ask for "proof?"

            1. Paraglider profile image90
              Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              If he was convincing, I'd believe him. Why not? But I'm not holding my breath. It hasn't happened this last 56 years.

              1. underhiswings profile image59
                underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                That's heavy. As they use to say back in the day.

                I wonder what "convincing" you would need?
                What would He have to do to "convince" you?
                How many questions would you ask of said God?
                Can you state any of your questions here?
                I mean, if this was to really happen between you and said God, would you NOT want to be ready to be convinced?
                NOT have all of your questions lined up so you did NOT look silly and ill prepared?

                If you had some really great questions, He might even make the other people wait if He was really stumped by them.

                He only has so much time you know, 6 billion people and all.

                1. Paraglider profile image90
                  Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Evidence, as distinct from scripture, would be a start.

                  1. Bibowen profile image91
                    Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    If you need a start, how about it is more likely that the universe was created than that it always existed or simply came into being, uncaused, out of nothing. That, of course, does not prove Jesus is Lord, but it does point to an originator of the universe at some point in the finite past.

                  2. underhiswings profile image59
                    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    And what would be that evidence?
                    Do you have any questions for said God if He were to appear to you?
                    You would not want to be caught off guard.
                    By the way, if said God were to show up, that WOULD be evidence that He in fact does exist correct?
                    Hard proof NO?

      2. quietnessandtrust profile image60
        quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I am glad that all such "miscarries" will have proper justice done eventually. smile

        Men cannot, juries cannot, sometimes will not, look at or see truth in court.

        Wherever men fail, justice will be carried out by THE TRUTH because THE TRUTH is JUSTICE big_smile

        1. Paraglider profile image90
          Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          All you are doing is making assertions, in colour. You are way out of your depth here among people who have learned how to think. Goodnight wink

          1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
            quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            NOTHING is deeper than THE MIND OF MESSIAH, nothing.
            HE will see to it that justice is done.


            The unspiritual self, just as it is by nature, can't receive the gifts of God's Spirit. There's no capacity for them. They seem like so much silliness. Spirit can be known only by spirit—God's Spirit and our spirits in open communion. Spiritually alive, we have access to everything God's Spirit is doing, and can't be judged by unspiritual critics. Isaiah's question, "Is there anyone around who knows God's Spirit, anyone who knows what he is doing?" has been answered: Christ knows, and we have Christ's Mind and His Spirit, if we believe in Him.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              <snipped personal attack> I am thinking you have it mixed up somewhere. I mean - wearing a dead dog's head as a necklace? I am pretty sure jesus would not have done that.

              Just ask yourself - WWJSUAC?

              1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
                quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You are the 2nd atheist to ASS-ume that the dog is not real and is in fact dead, so I will answer the atheist like I did the other ASS-umer.

                Oh look mommy, a live dogie relaxing in the mans jacket, how cute.
                He must love that little dog mommy big_smile



                http://www.viewbug.com/media/mediafiles/2009/06/06/132449_me_and_girley_0201081022_680x680_.jpg


                <snipped>
                Hummm...a choice of words coming from you that are not recommended for HUB PAGES eh? smile

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  The Truth hurts huh?

                  So - this dead dog - what made you kill it? And what are those you stuffed in it's eyeballs? Are they glass? Very realistic. Still not getting it though - where does it say in the bible to wear a dead dog around your neck? Did I miss that bit?

                  Asked anyone to click on your google ads lately? Is that OK with jesus?

                  WWJSUAC?

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Cue blue ink....................

                  2. quietnessandtrust profile image60
                    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    ANYONE can see that the dog is alive and hanging on NOTHING smile

              2. underhiswings profile image59
                underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Oh my, resorting to such name calling, it's a wonder you can still post here, mercy me. Wow!
                After looking at what the guy said above your comment, I have no idea why you would say such a thing like this.
                "So why do you come across as such a ----?"
                I saw the original and you should be more than ashamed of your self sir.

                Please refrain from this kind of talk Mark.

  6. Eric Graudins profile image60
    Eric Graudinsposted 7 years ago

    Congratulations quietnessandrust.

    You win the prize for the spammiest looking thread title EVER on Hubpages.

    And do other Truth seekers also have to wear the head of a little dog on a rope around their necks ? lol

    1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
      quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well? See the little dogie? Is the dogie real enough for ya? big_smile

  7. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    I think the only absolute truths that we know is that we are to learn, teach, grow, evolve.

    1. world of the wise profile image22
      world of the wiseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i dont think you are likely to turn into an animal, no evolution, so take heart my friend

  8. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Oops, sorry, you are right again. I will behave next time, I promise lol

  9. quicksand profile image85
    quicksandposted 7 years ago

    The "truth" once more is whether GOD exists or not. Again the question arises as to whether proof can be shown of GOD's existence or non-existence. If he does exist (I believe he does, which is a different matter) what harm?

    What can be done with the truth? Why do we, at this point need this so called absolute truth? If the "truth" is finally out, what gains can we expect? Who will change his lifestyle and to what extent?

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why would someone have to change their lifestyle in a land of individualism and free will?

      1. quicksand profile image85
        quicksandposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ha! ha! ha! Why should they? lol lol lol

        What I really meant was, what changes can we expect and from whom? smile

  10. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Any changes you can really expect come from within. smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well Said! I fully agree. This is individualism.


      I think the "individual" is where the seperation comes between human and animal.

    2. goodfriendiam profile image60
      goodfriendiamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Bravo!!! Misha, for your truth, and every ones own truth lies within. This is absolute. way to go. this is the proof, for only each of us holds the proof, no one can teach truth, only you can decide for yourself, if truth exist, and what that truth is.

      1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
        quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        "no one can teach truth"

        How about THE TRUTH?

        Does THE TRUTH teach?

    3. quicksand profile image85
      quicksandposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I really meant to ask why we need the truth! We're all doing pretty well without it! lol lol lol

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Can you make up your mind?

        ***~~~WHAT IS TRUTH ???~~~***TRUTH SEEKERS WELCOME~~~***

        What I really meant was, what changes can we expect and from whom?

        I really meant to ask why we need the truth! We're all doing pretty well without it!

        Sounds pretty confusing what exactly answer you need...

        1. quicksand profile image85
          quicksandposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The "truth" here obviously refers to the existence or non-existence of GOD. As for other truths, the truth about motion of matter has already been revealed by Sir Isaac Newton. The truth (most of it) about the qualities of light has been discovered by Al Einstein.

          When it comes to the truth in a court of law, available evidence influences human judgment, and this decision has to be accepted as the truth.

          The "truth" that is highlighted here is something that we have been living without, and we are managing pretty well. smile

          1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
            quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            In a nutshell, what truth is being "highlighted" here? big_smile

            And exactly who is managing pretty well?

            1. quicksand profile image85
              quicksandposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Who isn't? smile

              1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
                quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                In a nutshell, what truth is being "highlighted" here?

                Answer is?...or did you "mis" the Q?

    4. quietnessandtrust profile image60
      quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Those "changes" come after we learn and yield to THE TRUTH about the matter at hand. smile

  11. frogdropping profile image86
    frogdroppingposted 7 years ago

    The 'Truth' is simply the absence of lies.

    Quite simple really.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think truth is what is determined as truth in the individual mind.

      1. frogdropping profile image86
        frogdroppingposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That is correct. But 'truth' is still the absence of lies.

        I'll never be convinced that a person doesn't realise that they're being untruthful. Unless they're ignorant of the thruth.

        But that's something different altogether.

        That's ignorance smile

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Nicely said. In ignorance, someone can believe anothers truth as their own sacrificing individual truth making them a follower.

          1. frogdropping profile image86
            frogdroppingposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Exactly smile

  12. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Oh thank you, bit I can't really take any credit for this, it's not my idea at all smile

    1. goodfriendiam profile image60
      goodfriendiamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      very true, well said.. smile

  13. Susana S profile image92
    Susana Sposted 7 years ago

    There are many truths but here's one - everything changes smile

    1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
      quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      THE TRUTH never changes.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this
        1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
          quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          THE TRUTH does not wear any.
          HE IS NOT A MAN that HE should need them smile

  14. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    I opened this forum to SEE what others believed and thought the truth is and to read the opinions of others.

    I am NOT THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH is THE TRUTH.

    THE TRUTH posses ALL TRUTH and contains NO lies.

    And as one has stated "wears the head of a little dog around his neck on a rope"

    Here is the truth on that ass-umption.


    http://www.viewbug.com/media/mediafiles/2009/06/06/132449_me_and_girley_0201081022_680x680_.jpg

    Look Ma, no rope.

  15. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    ? Can ?

    Can 2 "different"..."truths"...co-exist?

    Or...is 1 a lie??? smile

  16. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Jesus said "I am the Way ,the TRUTH ,and the Life.

    As for me I am like a speck of sand

  17. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    The non-spiritual self, just as it is by nature, can't receive the gifts of God's Spirit. There's no capacity for them. They seem like so much silliness. Spirit can be known only by spirit—God's Spirit and our spirits in open communion. Spiritually alive, we have access to everything God's Spirit is doing, and can't be judged by non-spiritual critics. Isaiah's question, "Is there anyone around who knows God's Spirit, anyone who knows what he is doing?" has been answered: Christ knows, and we have Christ's Mind and Spirit.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Quietness you dont appear to be a well man?

      1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
        quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why are you asking yourself a question? big_smile

        1. candice5 profile image60
          candice5posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          {color=red She is not a question mark is a gift to you.

          1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
            quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You really DO need to use the "preview" option BEFORE you "submit"

            Did you want to try English?

  18. Eric Graudins profile image60
    Eric Graudinsposted 7 years ago

    There is no truth.

    Apart from physical laws and physical events, all we have is perception.

    Perception is everything.

    One person may interpret a given piece of information and pronounce it "true"
    Another person sees the same information, and says it is "false".

    Whether something is true or false depends on the belief of the person expressing the opinion.
    True and false are just labels we apply that give other people an indication of how we think.

    (And why the hell this thread is in the religious forums is beyond me. Truth has nothing to do with Religion. And religion has very little to do with truth. )

    1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
      quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So, before I reply sir.

      You made an assumption about me and my dog.
      Any truth to it, now that you have seen the picture perhaps?
      Care to correct your statement of mockery???

      1. Eric Graudins profile image60
        Eric Graudinsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No. I'm not interested in correcting it.
        Everyone can see the truth for themselves.
        However, the small image you use as an avatar still looks to me like it is a dogs head attached to a scarf or a bit of rope.

        And the fact that you have even brought this up proves to me that you are just mucking around, and aren't interested in discussing this topic seriously.

        I have mentally filed your name under "W", and shall not bother responding to you again.

    2. Bibowen profile image91
      Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Are these statements that you are making true or are they just perceptions?

  19. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    In a nutshell, what truth is being "highlighted" here?

    Answer??? smile

  20. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    Well it does NOT take much for you to cut and run.
    Cowards are like you know, that's why in battle, if you cut and run during a fire fight, your own fellow soldiers shoot you as you run.

    So run now, run, run quickly.roll

  21. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    roll ANOTHER characteristic of a coward is that they cannot say "I was wrong in my ass-umption"...no matter what the assumption might have been. Having no courage to admit when they have been caught in any ass-uming, no matter how small or large, they just want to move on to the next opinion they have inside the cowardly wooden head that sits atop the skeleton they rattle around in !!!

    And that  "W"  stands for
    WARRIOR !!! cool

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No, it could mean Waste of oxygen though!
      Don't feed the monkley folks, and he will just disappear up his own orifice.

      1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
        quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Interesting how you said that the thread should be shut down and yet you keep coming back. smile

        I hear a contradiction....move along now big_smile

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Like I said, stop feeding the monkey folks!

          1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
            quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Please bring some peanuts if you insist on coming back smile

            Hey, I bet when your mommy told you to stay away from the lions, you did not do as you were told.big_smile


            http://www.viewbug.com/media/mediafiles/2009/06/02/192925_the_monkey0526061648_680x680_.jpg

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No but she did warn me about piss ants!

              1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
                quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hummm....now in the last few minutes you have come to "feed the monkey" like 4 times now.

                Seems like you cannot follow your own instructions boy. smile


                You said about 9 times in the forums now.
                "Like I said, stop feeding the monkey folks!"

                You will be back smile Your a Curious George. cool

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              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Is that how your god told you to act?  Be rude to everyone who disagrees with you?

    2. Spaghetti Monster profile image60
      Spaghetti Monsterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nay, quietnessandtrust.

      After reading through your responses in this thread, My judgement would be that the W stands for Wanker.

      My thoughts are that it is thou, my friend, who is a coward.
      You hide behind your fake name like a child behind the skirt of its mommy, while most of the people you attack have the courage to use their names.

      You are indeed a miserable creature, but I am sure that you can be saved through the ministries of the Flying spaghetti Monster.

      You are always welcome under the shelter of the Holy Spaghetti Bowl.

      RAmen.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh Great Noodly one. Answer my question please.

        Would you truly accept such a Worthless one under your Bowl? I mean - can you imagine his behavior when time came to divide the bill (Check in American). Yea verily I would expect such a one to deny the extra bottle of Chianti and four shots of Grappa. Not once, but three times as is foretold in the runes. Is he the one foretold? Because I would not trust such as he to be honest when the time came to pay.

        RAmen.

        1. Spaghetti Monster profile image60
          Spaghetti Monsterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Nobody is truly worthless. I trust you shall learn this as you progress further through the levels of the FSM en-noodlement.
          And besides, I need a muckraker in the stables, and I think that this one will be ideal, given his performance here.

          However, I agree with your assessment, and assure you that he would not be accompanying any of the normal members to any sort of eating establishment where the liquids of lubrication are served. And I would certainly keep the holy money belt firmly fastened whenever he was around.

          RAmen.

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    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago

    Christians monkey nose grows like Pinocchio.
    http://www.borneo-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/proboscis-monkey.jpg

    1. Bibowen profile image91
      Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think he's a distant relative of Jimmy Durante or Richard Nixon.

  23. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago



    With a creation like that it's wonder you can say that GOD does NOT exist. big_smile

    1. 0
      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Listen carefully, I said YOUR god does not exist. big_smile

      1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
        quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Listen even more carefully. HIS ANSWER IS...

        ONLY A FOOL SAYS IN HIS / HER HEART "THERE IS NO GOD" !!!


        Seems like you keep coming back to this simple point and conclusion. smile

  24. Bibowen profile image91
    Bibowenposted 7 years ago

    Look people, the Shrub has given you an order; stop feeding the monkey. Start aping him instead and depart.

  25. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    No need to move to another point unless this one is changed in YOUR mind smile

  26. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    Good-night big_smile

  27. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Why hasnt that loony been evicted yet??

    1. Jane@CM profile image60
      Jane@CMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Haha, maybe they see some value in the loony posting bin LOL

      And another forum to add "The Loony Bin"

  28. Mark Knowles profile image60
    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago

    Thank you oh Noodly one. I see the wisdom and truth of it. You are truly The One.

    I forgot - even in heaven there needs to be some one to pick up the used Kleenexes on the stripper factory floor or muck out the stables. Wisdom indeed.

    RAmen

  29. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago


    @ paraglider

    Oh and by the way para glider.

    They're are some actions that when done, DO NOT have any chance of a multiple choice of out comes.

    Can you name any?

  30. Jane@CM profile image60
    Jane@CMposted 7 years ago

    Mark, are ya bored?

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Just going to bed actually. smile

      1. Jane@CM profile image60
        Jane@CMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sleep well smile

  31. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago

    Nope, the dog is definitely dead, but he is hanging on NOTHING!

    1. Bibowen profile image91
      Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's appropriate that you placed the word "nothing" in caps (weren't you yelling at others for doing this earlier?) because it also signifies this post's contribution to the topic.

      Jesus' statement that He is the truth signifies that the truth is not just an abstraction, but that it is also personal. There is no eternal truth without Him.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nope. wrong again. I yelled at no one just as I did not resort to name calling as you erroneously stated in another comment.  You remember that thread don't you?  You called Earnest "Boss Shrub" shortly after falsely accusing me of "name calling."  A Christian hypocrite no less.

        And your last sentence- just your opinion.  Where's your crony Loonie Toons today?

        1. Bibowen profile image91
          Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If you did not do as I accused you, I apologize and take it back. There were several that seemed to be put out by the change in lettering, the CAPS, etc., which I have maintained is irrelevant to the claims being made.  I assumed you were one of them. My mistake.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you, apology accepted.

  32. Bibowen profile image91
    Bibowenposted 7 years ago

    Jesus is the truth. He said that he was the way the truth and the life. He vindicated his claims by his resurrection from the dead.

  33. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago

    Good, perhaps he'll do the same for the dog.LOL

  34. underhiswings profile image59
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    What is truth?

    Here are a handful of them, for one word does not define the truth.

    The one and only true and living God rules and reigns.

    He rules everything in heaven and on earth and under the earth.

    He has no equal and loves His creation and longs to know them and that they know Him and worship Him in Spirit and in the truth.

    He gave His life for the world and laid it down willingly, no man took it from Him.

    He is everlasting, eternal, long on patients, slow to anger, merciful in judgment.

    In Him we live, move and have our being.

    He is the source of life and has all power, all love and all grace.

    He gives and takes away and none can stay His hand. Blessed be His name.

    Those are just a few of the truth's about The King of kings.

  35. easyspeak profile image80
    easyspeakposted 7 years ago

    Jesus said I am the Truth.  Truth is embodied in a person.

    1. underhiswings profile image59
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That is very true.
      Good to know someone else puts it in that manner, few do.
      The Truth is a Person, not "some thing"
      Good observation sir.

  36. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago

    Autumn doth approach as nuts drop heavily from neath the heavens.

    1. underhiswings profile image59
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He is also Lord over all of the seasons that we so dearly love.
      And nuts are a wonderful food that fall from the trees He also created for us to enjoy and receive nourishment from.
      Praise The Good Lord God. He bountifully gives food to all of His creation, even if some of them hate Him. He still like a good Father, feeds mankind.
      Just like when you at times did not like your parents, they always fed you.

      He love us.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Whoosh!

  37. Susana S profile image92
    Susana Sposted 7 years ago

    I think something that this discussion is missing is that truth exists without the need for humans. It existed before us - it will exist after us. Also truth could well be different in different dimensions.

    As humans we may try to find the truths of existence, which is a worthwhile endevour, but that doesn't mean we will find them or interpret information correctly because our perceptual and intellectual equipment is fallible. Remember people used to think it was truth that the earth was the centre of the universe! I'm sure they were very convinced of this truth, unfortunately it wasn't truth at all. The truth that earth is not the centre of the universe already existed and was not dependent on us knowing it.

    Personally I favour science, direct experience, constant questioning and critical evaluation as ways to get to the various thruths.

  38. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Ditto........ Well said Susana.
    But I've always enjoyed watching as the 'Flat Earth' zealots, fall of the edge!! smile

  39. Susana S profile image92
    Susana Sposted 7 years ago

    Hmmm they do have a way of doing that - only thing is they don't notice! smile

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      One of those cattle prods might work lol

      1. Jane@CM profile image60
        Jane@CMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        A cattle prod might be tough to get through the computer screen, but I think its worth a try big_smile

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol the thought alone was therapeutic lol

  40. cindyvine profile image86
    cindyvineposted 7 years ago

    Truth is a matter of perception.  What is my truth might not be your truth.

    1. underhiswings profile image59
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Perception is little more than an illusion and The Truth is neither of these.

      There is One who is Truth and nothing escapes His notice.

      He knows all things. He is NOT a man that He should have any darkness.

      Your truth, someone else's truth, my own truth, none of them are equal to The Truth. They might contain some of real truth, but always contain a lie as well, this is the illusion of human perception.

      The Truth is 100% Truth and is pure Truth.

  41. underhiswings profile image59
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    Aimed @ Paraglider

    "(e.g. the description of Krisna manifesting himself to Arjuna)"

    Do you believe this really happened?

    1. Paraglider profile image90
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No of course not. But the quality of poetry in the Gita far exceeds anything in the Bible. It's a good read.

  42. underhiswings profile image59
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    Paraglider says: "then yes I'd be convinced. But as I said before, I'm not holding my breath. I don't accept scripture as evidence.

    This ones reply is:
    mohitmisra
    3185 posts
    Joined: 17 months ago
    Hubs: 10
    Fans: 106
    "It will happen to you Paraglider like it has happened with others"

    There now Paraglider, even he has hope for you sir. smile

  43. underhiswings profile image59
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    Men create things, they DO NOT "create" themselves.

    Neither did what we see "create itself"....NOTHING just "comes into being"
    It is created, just like the sperm and egg that came together started the creation of you.

    Men and women create art, music, cars, houses and families. This is done after it is "designed" first. Well thought out too, yes?

    They DO NOT just "happen"

    This is logic. big_smile

  44. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    Have underhiswings and quietnessandtrust ever appeared at the same time??  Hmmmmmmmmmm

  45. XTASIS profile image61
    XTASISposted 7 years ago

    I was going to post something, but it seems everybody is angry in this thread. I think religion is bad for the nerves. That's why I only believe in myself : to be happy . Ciao! big_smile

    1. underhiswings profile image59
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Discussions can often be heated and heat refines the mind, riding it of impurities.
      So this is a good thing.

      No anger coming from this nobody.
      I have a saying, an original of mine, that came out of nothing as some would say, because it could not have been created. It goes like this.

      #17 "Iron sharpens iron and as we get closer it will be painful and without a source of great irritation, the oyster forms no pearls. So now, my friend, do I irritate you?......Good.....form a pearl will you?" smile

  46. XTASIS profile image61
    XTASISposted 7 years ago

    It lookslike nobody's home. You're wasting your energy, nobody's listening. Go home, baby, go home ! lol

    1. underhiswings profile image59
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      In HIM I live, I move and I have my very being.

      I am ALWAYS at home. big_smile

      1. XTASIS profile image61
        XTASISposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Good for you., So don't shout in this forum. you're using too many caps. it's not kind of you

        1. underhiswings profile image59
          underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Pretty funny coming fro someone with a user name that is
          "XTASIS"....ummm, see any CAPS there? roll
          lol

          CAPS are used when I write a term referring to THE CREATOR and not shouting.
          If CAPS are used any other time, it is to point something out, not for shouting. smile Peace. Or should I say PEACE.?

          1. XTASIS profile image61
            XTASISposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Peace will do smile  Bye and good luck, hope you get  what you're looking for

            1. underhiswings profile image59
              underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Never said I was "looking" for anything.smile

    2. underhiswings profile image59
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh and by the way, you are nobody to tell me to go any place.

      1. XTASIS profile image61
        XTASISposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well then I hope you get into a Hell of an Argument ! big_smile

        1. underhiswings profile image59
          underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The gates of hell cannot prevail against God on the offense.

  47. underhiswings profile image59
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    #13. "Fighting against the Truth and embracing the Truth, both are painful, only one is also peaceful."

  48. underhiswings profile image59
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    11."Who is the bigger coward? The child who is afraid of the dark or the man who is afraid of the light?"

    1. XTASIS profile image61
      XTASISposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        None. Only people that talk when nobody is listening

  49. underhiswings profile image59
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    25."If I do not agree with your opinion at first or at all, it is because I ran it through The Refiners Fire and found it wanting. Please remove all the dross and then re-present it to me for further consideration."

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago

    Truth is relative -

    As an example:
    I may believe with my every sinew that bigfoot exists. That makes it a truth for me even if no one else believes it and thinks it is false. There are no absolutes in a world which is relative.

    The only truth is that your consciousness exists. Past that we only know what we think are truthes; namely your physical body exists or anyone else exists. For all I know no one on this site truely exists, yet to yourselves you are truthes.

    See what I mean?

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      L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      From a purely philosophical point of view, and not a religious one, what I say is correct. We cannot be certain of what we do not know exists. So when people say 'does God exist?' We can turn around and say 'does existance exist?'

      I believe in God but I disagree with using him/her/it as an answer with ethical questions. Truth is ethics and ethics is encoded into every human society on earth and every human being, everyone has their own ethical theory. Religion is strictly personal as to what one believes.

      Also, is God truth or truth God? It is one thing to say that a person encompasses truth - it is another to say they are. The Euthrytho dilemma has been around for thousands of years and you are a better person than I am if you can answer it.

    2. underhiswings profile image59
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, I see you are confused with what you mean.

      You said:
      "There are no absolutes in a world which is relative."
      And then you said:
      "The only truth is that your consciousness exists."

      Those 2 statements contradict themselves. First you said that 'there are no absolutes" and then you made an absolute statement "The only truth is that..."

      Are these absolutes??
      1-jump off 8 story building, hit street, look like dropped can of tomatoes, your dead.
      2-tie boat anchor around neck, jump into ocean off boat, sink to bottom, your dead.
      3-tell the judge in his courtroom to shut the f#ck up, judge simply utters "bailiff" and you find yourself in a new orange suit in a 6'x9' cell with Bubba.
      4-you try to rape another mans wife and he comes home and shows you the business end of some guys creation named Smith and Wesson, your dead.

      Hummmm ?????
      Your truth, someone else's truth, my own truth, none of them are equal to The Truth. They might contain some of real truth, but always contain a lie as well, this is the illusion of human perception.

      Perception is little more than an illusion and The Truth is neither of these. The Truth is 100% Truth and is pure Truth.

      There is One who is Truth and nothing escapes His notice.

      He knows all things. He is NOT a man that He should have any darkness.

      (by the way, truthes is spelled truths and truley is spelled truly and Euthrytho dilemma is spelled Erythro)

      And that is an absolute truth sir.

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