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Inside is an honest question for honest people.

  1. Shaul Stein profile image60
    Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago

    Honest question here ! big_smile

    Do any of you believe you have a spirit ?

    If so, how do you prove it really exists ?

    Or what about your soul ?

    How do you prove it exists ?

    1. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Cannot prove it ,its too personal an experience. smile

    2. Rochelle Frank profile image89
      Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes.

      I don't need to prove it.

      Yes.

      Why do you need my proof?

      1. mohitmisra profile image59
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol   lol   lol  awesome. smile

        1. Rochelle Frank profile image89
          Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I am awed to make you smile... so self- evident.

          Everyone who has a spirit or soul-- please enjoy the awesome gift  with reverent wonder --without questioning it to death.

          1. Shaul Stein profile image60
            Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I do not personally need proof and did not ask the question for my own sake. I am sorry you assumed I did not believe. I DO!

            I asked it because people who do not believe in God always want physical proof.  So I am asking them to prove they have a spirit and soul.

            God is spirit and has a soul.

            But if  they expect us to prove He exists, then I ask them to prove they have existance outside of just a body. smile

            Is that not fair to do? Ask them for proof?

            1. Rochelle Frank profile image89
              Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Shaul, I did not assume that you did not believe.

              Asking them to "prove" something drives them away from belief or faith which does not need physical proof.

              Everyone who questions honestly, finds spiritual proof.
              Even St. Thomas, who doubted honestly, was given proof.

              1. Shaul Stein profile image60
                Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Oh ok.
                I was doing them a service actually because if they cannot prove they have one or the other, then they have to ask themselves....

                "why do we ask for proof from people who believe in God who cannot be seen?"

                I am just using their logic is all smile

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  More importantly - why is it so important that you get other people to believe in your invisible super being that there cannot be any proof for because it does not exist?

                  And lets face it, dead dog guy - you are not exactly the most honest person are you?

                  1. Shaul Stein profile image60
                    Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I have no concern for trying to "get you to believe" Mark, you make up your own mind. I cannot "make" anyone do anything.

                    Did you have an answer to the topic question?

                2. Rochelle Frank profile image89
                  Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  It's a fair reasoning-- but why use the 'unfair' logic of people you  deem to be wrong?

                  A wise teacher might advise you to use a better tactics if you must argue.

                  1. Shaul Stein profile image60
                    Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Getting them to "look" at their own line of logic and reasoning is all that this is about.
                    No ill will here. smile

                    They question believers, so they can answer the same question I would think.

                    Messiah often reasoned with doubters by asking questions.

          2. Shaul Stein profile image60
            Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That is my point...you said it well.....

            "please enjoy the awesome gift  with reverent wonder --without questioning it to death"

            Myself and many others do enjoy the gift of God towards us and do not question it to death.

            It is evident to us who belive with out seeing "proof".....although I think what I see in creation is proof.

            So if they believe they have a spirit and soul that cannot be seen, why cannot they understand us instead of beating to death the whole "give me proof of God!!!"

    3. Jewels profile image81
      Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The soul is easy to see, it's the sheath you wear.  It is that which animates your body, the personality traits that you use.  The Spirit is the essence of you beyond the physical realms.  It's transpersonal and consequently not up for viewing.

  2. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I believe a a very strong case can be made for spirit and soul outside religious belief, which in my view is where they belong!

    To put it simply, both spirit and soul manifest though love! That is not the proof, but to some it is self evident smile

    1. Valerie F profile image60
      Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I would actually be very interested to see a non-religious case for the existence of the soul, mainly because it is rather refreshing to see where religious people and atheists can agree.

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        wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I suppose it depends upon your definition of "soul".  I'd like to hear Earnest's...

        1. Shaul Stein profile image60
          Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          May we hear yours?

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            wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry, I don't believe I have a soul.  I am a material being.  For me, spirit and soul are creations of man's brain.

            1. Shaul Stein profile image60
              Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Oh I see.
              Well what do you think happens when you die?
              What about your emotions, your mind, intuition, volition?
              All the things you cannot see?

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                wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Poof!  All gone.  The things you mention are merely functions of our brain, inherited and passed along from our ancestors.  Having these qualities (intuition, volition, and emotions) is  adaptationally advantageous.  Keeps us safe from predators, able to be creative food seekers, alarms us to danger, keeps us breeding.  smile

            2. earnestshub profile image89
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That does not have to mean they do not exist there in some way.

        2. Valerie F profile image60
          Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          As would I. I think most people's definition of "soul" is about the same or similar enough. Where even a lot of religions differ is not on the definition of the soul, but on the specifics of its nature, how and when it comes to reside within a body, et cetera.

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            wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, better stated.  That's why I'm curious about Earnest's thoughts.

            1. Jewels profile image81
              Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              For what's is worth wordscribe, I've just started a series on astrology that incorporates a spiritual essence.  It is not your mainstream astrology, you already know I'm out of the box, but not an idiot!!LOL.  The Soul as I describe it, is the personality and character traits that we use to animate the body.  My standpoint on astrology is as a language to show this.  Bare in mind I'm not talking about horoscopes here.

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                wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks, Jewels.  I'll definitely check it out.  I always value your insights and pure intelligence.  Thanks for the information.

  3. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    I have a soul.

    My soul is better than your soul, in fact it could kick your soul's ass with one hand metaphorically tied behind it's spiritual back.  mad

  4. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I am amazed that even you would be naive enough to name this thread "an honest question," The true title is
    "A loaded question" smile You would not know truth if you fell over it! This is yet another of your lies, while you provide nothing but fluff.

    1. Shaul Stein profile image60
      Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      In what way was it dishonest?
      Please tell me / us.

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Any person who does not see the load is not looking or does not read the english language! Your intro loads the question if you want me to spell it out for you, and your comments load the question as well. lol

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          wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, Earnest.  lol  I know what you're thinking, but I find this all innocuous.  In fact, I appreciate the inquiry as he is looking for proof.  It's true, I'm always looking for proof as an atheist.

          1. Rochelle Frank profile image89
            Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Proof defies faith-- Faith defies proof.  The debate will not end. To some Faith is proof enough and they should stop trying to convince those who do not have it. Goodnight.

          2. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The factor is the OP's. Track record. smile

  5. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Not today though. smile I am working believe it or not, and have just hit another deadline! No time to find what bolted the soul and spirit to my self, or even a definition of self that is inclusive. The theories that went in to understanding the soul and spirit with self is complex indeed.

    I will say that there is a lot more to "self" than even words can deal with. In an explanation about the feeling function one suddenly finds words near useless!
    Without the German language it is even harder to understand or explain because English misses some feeling related words.

    The analogies of self are very difficult too and many great books have been written on the subject and that which supports it.

    1. Shaul Stein profile image60
      Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So why do you believe in something you cannot prove?
      Why should I belive you have one?

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You may like to read what I have to say again! smile ... and your belief in me is of no consequence.

  6. Becca's Blog profile image60
    Becca's Blogposted 7 years ago

    I believe art alone proves humans have a Spirit. Art, music, literature (fiction) serve no real practical purpose. It all comes from are need to create. Maybe humans have a creative s
    spirit that does not live on after death, but this "spirit" carries on and inspires the next generation. Well, it is obvious to me now that I believe in Muses..lol

    1. Shaul Stein profile image60
      Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well I know that when I hear music inside and then compose it and it touches peoples lives, I did not create it out of my mere physical body, it is to deep for that.
      When I am awoken at 3am with music going on in my soul that I have never heard before and must write it down even though I have to go to work at 6am, that is for sure happening in the realm of the spirit. smile

      1. Becca's Blog profile image60
        Becca's Blogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Your Muse needs to learn to tell time..lol

        1. Shaul Stein profile image60
          Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Composers have no control over when they hear music to write, that is for sure. big_smile

  7. Rochelle Frank profile image89
    Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago

    They Will . . . Or maybe they won't.
    It is not up to you or me.

    If they see something positive or helpful in your life or mine that leads them in one direction or another, so be it.

    If they are angered or discouraged or outraged by something we do, then we may be diminished by not showing a spirit-filled influence, or they may lose a chance to come closer to peace.

    So be it.

  8. Shaul Stein profile image60
    Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago

    "And am really curious as to why you are so desperate to get other people to believe. "

    I do not care if you believe at all Mark!

    I leave it up to you, no big deal to me, you keep bringing it up Mark.
    Trying to convince me I do this when I do NOT care at all what you do Mark.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Now you are lying again. More proof that your religion is worthless. Thanks.

      1. Shaul Stein profile image60
        Shaul Steinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Lying about what Mark?
        Are you somehow astonished that I can say I do not care if you believe what I do?

        Because I really do not!.........Go your way Mark, not mine!

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    wordscribe41posted 7 years ago

    The burden of proof is on you, Mark is right about that.  I've used this argument before, and I'll use it again... 

    If I tell you I have a VERY hungry pink unicorn that needs food and I ask you to please run to the store to get it food, the burden of proof in on ME to show you this pink unicorn exists.  Does it not?  If I were unable to prove this assertion about the unicorn, you as a reasonable person would reject its existence as one that's preposterous. The one making the claim for such a proposition is the one that must provide the proof.  Simple as that.

 
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