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   hellerposted 14 years ago

   If God is all seeing and all knowing how come he has produced such crappy subjects and specimens.
   
   Appendix operation, diabetes,cancer to name just some.
   
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   Isn't he a bit of an absentee landlord - since no one has actually spoken to him apart from some be-knighted people for a few thousand years.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Maybe his blind, and deaf?  or maybe he's a sort of ameba. Who knows what happens in the twilight zone !!

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      quietnessandtrustposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds like blame to me.
      
      God cannot be blamed as He committed no offense and is not accountable to humans.
      
      Humans make choices all the time that cause their life to be crappy.
      
      Disobeying God is like a cancer (sin) and the cancer has eaten away at us from the first act of disobedience.
      Once it was in the bloodstream, it only got worse.
      
      Evil seeks to dominate us, we must master it.
      
      He still speaks to people, they just do not listen well.

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Does a kernel of corn blame God when it falls to the ground, ferments and produces a stalk of corn with two ears and thousand kernels of corn?

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         yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Mother Theresa (a modern saint) suffered many health problems in her later years (mainly revolving around heart problems and pneumonia). Did she disobey God and earn a cancer? I think not.
         
         God doesn't punish people with disease and health problems for their disobedience. People suffer because there are various microorganisms that have plagued mankind since its inception and they are fighting to survive as well ... sometimes killing us in the process.
         
         That's not to say we don't often bring about our own maladies - smokers get lung cancer, drinkers get liver problems - but to say this is punishment from God is reaching beyond the obvious truth ... we do sometimes suffer for the bad choices that we make.
         
         Also, to say our creator is perfect and should have made us the same is an improper judgment to make. After all, if I were a creator I wouldn't want my creations to be perfect, as then they could never strive to make more of themselves.
         
         Indeed, I would make them deeply flawed and would then sit back and relish as I watched on to see which ones worked past their flaws to become better than I had made them.
         
         As for us ruining the world ... another misnomer ... but only when you look at things from a proper perspective.
         
         The Earth was barren and lifeless before life came to be, and it lived quite a few years without us. Since we have set forth upon the planet we have done a lot to damage the ecosystem, but nothing to destroy the Earth itself. It's not the Earth that is threatened by our existence, but rather, the other living things on this world that seek to exist beside us.
         
         If we were to launch every nuclear missile tomorrow, we could possibly destroy all of humanity and 80%-90% of all life on this world (though I believe that figure to be quite high). Also, we could send the Earth on a runaway greenhouse effect, baking the Earth and destroying much of the life as we know it. But still ... life would go on as extremophiles would continue on.
         
         Also, the Earth would continue to revolve around the sun ... but without us.
         
         As a species, we like to think we control the Earth's destiny ... when in fact, we truly control our own ... and we better act quickly, or a day could come when we finally hit the extinction list.

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      AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      So it appears that this mess is being blamed on God? Did we forget that Satan was a fallen angel of God? If someone truly believes in God then we do not blame him, and it is not God who creates these diseases it is man who has sinned and to make a long conversation short, how about blaming it on Satan?
      I believe in God you should read my hub "A Wing and a Prayer", I know there is a God and I am a Nurse, so instead of being mad at God which Satan wants all of us to do blame Satan he is the root of all evil.

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         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

           Everybody is free to believe what they want. I'm happy for you if this is what makes you happy. it doesn't work for me though

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            AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I can respect your thoughts I felt the same once myself.

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      anjalichughposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I heard someone tell me once...."Its 'Evil' that creates all the pain in the world; God is the one who heals." This in fact motivated me to write a hub on this subject <no links please>
      Please don't take it as a promotional post as I didn't want to repeat all that I mentioned in the hub.

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      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      We are in hell and its a game we are playing with ourselves.The kingdom of god is within" Jesus - so you are god playing with yourself.

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   NiceBloggerposted 14 years ago

   I think that we did that,we created diseases to make profit.If some people are that ignorant and don't see that this world is being destroyed by us is that's not God fault.
   Just think for a second what a human can do for money,just think and you'll have your answer.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        the answer is that God created man as his own image, so It's all said.  I don't believe in that kind of God, because i can't imagine any divine  being, being so lousy. And the world is being destroyed because of us? then is your God's doings ! If you believe in him

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         atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         God created man in His own image being 3 and one in the same:
         Body, Mind and spirit
         Father, Son and Holy Spirit
         God also created man with free will as He has free will.
         
         God did not create man imperfect. Man brought on that imperfection once he sinned.

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   quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago

   We are NOT in our original image any longer.
   Because of not following instructions, we started to die.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        thanks God !

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   NiceBloggerposted 14 years ago

   I believe in God and you got all that wrong.Any human has freedom to do what he wants,but we as a specie we ruined this world.
   Murders,rapes,destroying animals environments,people get rich and others dying because of poverty who fault is that? God? I don't think so,we are a horrible specie and we do becoming more evil each day.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        You are free to believe what you want. If believing that makes you happy, I'm not going to stop you !

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      annvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "Murders,rapes,destroying animals environments,people get rich and others dying because of poverty who fault is that? God? I don't think so"
      
      I agree with this part.

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   Rochelle Frankposted 14 years ago

   I guess God could have(If He had chosen to) created us us to be perfect and mandated us to be forever perfect without any choice in the matter.
   None of us would have been bad or sick. There would have been no  poverty, depression, terrible accidents and no reality TV.

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      rosariomontenegroposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Rochelle, I think this is exactly what several people are trying to say, starting a million posts ago: that if a God existed that were a good God he should've created us perfect as supposedly he himself is perfect.
      The hint about "without any choice" doesn't have meaning in this context. God didn't have any choice neither in being perfect, so what's wrong with that? Everybody would be happy and truly in his image, without any other choice than bliss. Just like him.

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   quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago

   Seems like blamers like to say
   
   "I want my freewill !!!"
   
   but then when they ruin their life and others......
   
   "it's the fault of God!!!"
   
   If God makes you perfect / robot....
   
   "no, I want my freewill !!!"

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm perfect and not robot. I don't believe in God, so I don't blame him. I'm my own creator and I'm happy with what I achieved

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         Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Any mortal human who thinks he or she is perfect... isn't.
         
         Narcissism or out and out hubris aren't redeeming qualities in anyone.

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            tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Ican'tcare less what you think. I'm a happy person and happy with myself. And I'm very narcissistic. and happy with it too.

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Truth is we are all narcissistic.

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   Shaul Steinposted 14 years ago

   How strange!
   I posted this a few days ago and nobody really wanted to talk about it because it took away the ability to blame.
   
   What a shame.
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/20512

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   Shaul Steinposted 14 years ago

   THIS TAKES ALL THE BLAME AWAY TOO !
   
   If we had the choice right now, this very day!
   To chose between what is set before us.
   
   And we have to make this choice again tomorrow and everyday after.
   
   1) *Life and living?
   2) **Knowledge of evil and good?
   3) Would you want to know more or have life and live?
   4) Would you be happy to live or curious to know what you did not know?
   
   *Knowing that you can live forever without the extra knowledge and that you could multiply and fill the earth and rule over it all like a king and queen.
   
   **Knowing that you will know more, but not live as long.
   
   Pick one.    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/20502

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   Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years ago

   Funny all of this, "Let's not blame God!"  which is the right idea, but for the wrong reasons.  God has no hand in evil?
   
   Isaiah 45:7 - "I form the light and create darkness.  I make peace and create evil.  I the LORD do all of these things.
   
   Romans 8:19-21 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
   
   20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
   
   21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
   
   God created Satan to be a perfect angel?
   
   Job 26:13  13By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
   
   Isaiah 54:16 16Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
   
   Genesis 3:1  1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
   
   
   People love to say that God rules as good, Satan rules all evil.  By saying this, they are effectively raising Satan up to the same level as God. 
   
   Cliched, "read the Bible" but you'll find several areas where God uses Satan, and an assortment of evil spirits to accomplish His will.   
   
   Indicates to me that God is ALL seeing and ALL Knowing.

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      tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      you say
      
      Cliched, "read the Bible" but you'll find several areas where God uses Satan, and an assortment of evil spirits to accomplish His will.   
      
      What a terrible God !!!! Now I see why the world is what it is !!!!

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      Shaul Steinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      And did we have a choice to obey the instructions given
      "do not touch the tree" ???
      
      "Eat from all the rest but not that one"

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         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

           So why the Tree was created.??? such a masochist God !!

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            Shaul Steinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            As a test. What, you never took a test?

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               tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               masochist tests like that ? No,never.

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                  Shaul Steinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  People takes tests all the time that can kill them.

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                     tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     maybe they're stupid

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            If you were to build a creature and have the intention for it to have free will how would you know if the experiment were succsufull unless it expressed its free will by disobeying you?

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            tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

              That's a good one !! jerami. but he should have stopped right after the test

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               Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I don't know!  Maybe it was kinda like  the first Pandoras Box?? And he didn't want to flood the world yet? I know nothing

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                  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                    Don't think too hard jerami, it's not worth it. Just be happy with what you believe. Don't pay attention to others,

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                     Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     
                     I'm better now.   Also
                     I do not believe in either or   
                     There is an ounce of truth in most things

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                        tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                          Ofcourse it is !!! just stick to your beliefs. that's the best you can do , jerami !

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               Shaul Steinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Oh no that would go against your freewill and individualism

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                  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  no that would go against your idea of damnation ,which you are so proud to believe

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                  rosariomontenegroposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  God didn't have freewill. God didn't have any choice in being perfect, so what's wrong with that? Everybody would be happy and truly in his image, without any other choice than bliss. Just like him.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    If I were omniscient I would have many other choices, and would certainly have built a better DNA for starters.

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       Shaul Steinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       DNA was changed when disobeying happened.

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          tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

           

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    yoshi97posted 14 years ago

    I just had a horrid thought ...
    
    God planted the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden and told Adam and Eve not to eat from it
    
    Now, as God is all-knowing, he knew Adam and Eve would disobey him. So, was it a test?
    
    If so, God already (being all-knowing) knew we would fail the test. As such, we were set up to fail, as the tree never would have existed had he not created it.
    
    So, did God want us to have knowledge?
    
    Well ... he did drive Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden, but he didn't kill them and start over - which he could have, after all he is God
    
    So, God *does* want us to have knowledge and is more interested in that than he is our own perfection (otherwise, he would never have tempted us with the tree)
    
    An interesting argument, no?

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       Shaul Steinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       If we were set up to fail that would eliminate the choice to obey.
       A set up is a trap.
       
       He knows we can chose a 100 different things and He knows the outcome to them all, we decide which one.
       
       Then He says....good choice or bad choice.
       Then offers other choices based on ours.
       Including a change of direction.

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          rosariomontenegroposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          God didn't have freewill. God didn't have any choice in being perfect, so what's wrong with that? Everybody would be happy and truly in his image, without any other choice than bliss. Just like him.

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             Shaul Steinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Oh but He does have freewill, He even says as much.
             Man was created good and in paradise....all great!!!
             You can be perfect and have freewill...not a problem.
             They made a choice to do their own thing.
             
             What?...God is not free to do as He wants?

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                rosariomontenegroposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                God didn't have any choice in being perfect, any test to prove his free will.
                Everybody should've been created like him, without the choice, like that they would've been happy and truly in his image, without any other possibility than perfection and bliss.
                Just like him.

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                   Shaul Steinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Messiah is, was and always will be perfect and He was tested and tempted when He came to earth.
                   
                   My scriptures say to count it all joy when you encounter various trails, so I do not think your understanding is of wisdom.
                   
                   Man (Adam) was created and tested. He was also called the son of God and he failed, Messiah is called the 2nd Adam and He did not fail EVER.
                   
                   One disobeyed, One did not.

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                      rosariomontenegroposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Are you on purpose distorting the meaning of what I say? I hope not. In that case, it means you didn't understand my words, even though they follow the thread of the impossibility of a creator God simultaneously all good, all knowing and all powerful.
                      
                      We are talking about the God previous to Creation. Not of an incarnated God that came to solve the problems of his own creation. I hope we are clear about this? So, previous to Creation: God didn't have any choice in being perfect, any test to prove his free will.
                      Thus he should've created everybody like him, without the choice, like that all beings would've been happy and truly in his image, without any other possibility than perfection and bliss.
                      Just like him.
                      
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                      Just to speak more openly about this subject. I respect your beliefs, but you have to accept that you cannot spread them among us through the use of logic nor the mere repetition of words of authority. You cannot invoque for us the authority of a being we think it's an existencial impossibilty, let alone of the book authored by him and interpreted by yourself.
                      
                      Nevertheless I accept that in your beliefs as in any other religious beliefs there is an immense territory called mistery, the ineffable, the inexpressible that far surpasses anything that can be logically read or literally read in any holy book (including my own holy scriptures).
                      
                      In that area of your beliefs I accept that truth could be found. But then, I accept this to be true also in Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Animism, and other belief systems.
                      
                      To be clear. I accept that truth might be found in your belief system.
                      
                      I don't demand that you accept that truth could be found in mine, I just beg you in the future to remember what I'm telling you right now.

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    Shaul Steinposted 14 years ago

    Messiah endured everything because He had His eye set on the joy that was coming.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         He endured everything because he hadn't any choice. God didn't give him one, remember ??

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          yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          According to one's belief, some say Jesus actually *was* God in human form. If that's so, then the whole dying on the cross scene makes no sense, as Jesus says at that moment, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?"
          
          As such, if he was truly God in human form, did he really endure anything?
          
          This has always confused me, which is why I can accept Jesus as being God's son, but I can't accept him as being God himself - for if he was, the death for our sins loses all meaning.

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             atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Jesus was God is in the flesh.
             A big part of God but not exclusively ALL that God is.
             Being that, God is not flesh and bone as Jesus was.
             
             God did sacrifice His son, and also Himself through the crucifiction. God demonstrated His greatest love for us in that.
             In Jesus asking that question to God the father HE was demonstrating what we all feel at times. That in suffering we sometimes wonder why it is God has forsaken us. When in reality, God has not.
             He is never failing.
             Sometimes the answer to ending ones suffering comes at the end of life. Sometimes it comes at healing. Sometimes it comes at the knowledge that we are saved. And in that knowledge we know and believe that one day ALL suffering will end.
             
             God used Himself, in the body of Jesus to demonstrate to us all that we can live a sin free life. We can live a victorious life. Jesus led a victorious life. They took his body, but could not touch his soul.
             That is and was His victory over sin, death and the grave.
             
             Through that and in knowing and believing that, we too have the same power over all three.
             
             But the crucifiction in of itself was God intervening on our behalf. Knowing that we are prone to sin God reconcilled Himself to us through the ultimate sacrifice.
             No more need to sacrifice animals which were considered to be pure etc.
             God gave us the ultimate sacrifice of one being like oursleves in body yet apart from ourselves in purity.
             
             Jesus did suffer the most horrible and ghastly torments imaginable. It was mans evilness being poured out on Him in great quantity. God showed there too how far into sin man had come. That man thinking he was so just, so right would torture and kill someone so very innocent and pure for crimes he did not commit.
             
             Jesus took all of that sin, every sin upon Himself. He then offered Himself up as a LIVING sacrifice for all the world to see and hear about.
             
             The miracle of Him being raised from the dead shows us that we are not bound by the constraints of sin nor the constraints of death or even life in the sense that we know it to be here on earth. That death is not final. That life goes on, for all eternity either with God or apart from Him.

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    tantrumposted 14 years ago

    If you don't delete this post you're going to be reported. A lot of hubbers do, when they see someone doing what you did. So it would be better if you delete.

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    quietnessandtrustposted 14 years ago

    It's better to just tell the title and we can go find it ourselves.
    Posting your own hubs is a big no no no no no !!

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    Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years ago

    If you want to get technical, I didn't have the choice of eating or not eating of that tree.  Being non-existent and all that wonderful stuff.
    
    One man's sin brought down all of mankind, whether they willed it or no.

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    world of the wiseposted 14 years ago

    Who told you God created such deaseses.
    They are all caused by poor lifestle and some guys in labolatories.

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       Sanctus Vesaniaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       1 Col 1:16
       
       16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
       
       I know, a lot of people love to replace 'All' with 'some'

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Who created those people in the first place ? If you're a believer the answer is : God.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          and if the answer is god? Circular logic!

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