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Follow the Bible

  1. glendoncaba profile image80
    glendoncabaposted 7 years ago

    Anyone here doing this huge international project being promoted this year by the Adventist world church?  You would know what I mean immediately?  Today is Bible Day and I'm rushing back to church to participate.

    1. chukra G profile image59
      chukra Gposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      so to how many life did you made better changes???

      1. Pearldiver profile image86
        Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes..Yes..Yes... The Bumble Town 7DA Church is really busy atm. So much to do before December 2012. smile

        1. glendoncaba profile image80
          glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          smile

          So this forum is dominated by antiChristianists. 

          I'll just post link again to the international initiative.

          http://www.followthebiblesda.com/about- … bible.html

          Read for yourself and see what I was talking about.

      2. glendoncaba profile image80
        glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        My first church is my family, and i usually begin by blessing and trying to make the world a better place for my family. I don't usually count my good deeds but today (the day of the original post) I helped and encouraged many persons directly and indirectly, I even attended a funeral.

        Not the answer you want? 

        The bible is a book with a message that has changed people for the better, so the international promotion of it is an effort to encourage godly living.

        See this link for the initiative:
        http://www.followthebiblesda.com/about- … bible.html

        1. chukra G profile image59
          chukra Gposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          you are wrong your first family must be the earth/universe, you started your answer with confusionssssssssssssss. and you decreased your family  size to a size of a church smile

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Very nice Chukra smile

            1. chukra G profile image59
              chukra Gposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              thank you Dear Mohitmisra

              1. glendoncaba profile image80
                glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Chukra is confused because he appears to have a small problem with the English language.
                All his comments on this thread so far would suggest that he doesn't understand:

                1.  The value of knowledge to the spiritual life.  The promotion of bible is not confusion.  bible a source of knowledge.
                2.  The importance of loving those around you before making big claims about loving or helping world.
                3.  Seek to understand before you argue and judge.


                To answer your question very directly:

                I just try to love people and do what is right.  I don't count my good works.  Then I leave judgement to God.

                I will still insist that doing good begins with those around you.

                I share the following poem, Abou Ben Adhem by James Henry Leigh Hunt, to help you understand my point:


                Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!)
                Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,
                And saw, within the moonlight in his room,
                Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,
                An angel writing in a book of gold:—
                Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,
                And to the Presence in the room he said
                "What writest thou?"—The vision raised its head,
                And with a look made of all sweet accord,
                Answered "The names of those who love the Lord."
                "And is mine one?" said Abou. "Nay, not so,"
                Replied the angel. Abou spoke more low,
                But cheerly still, and said "I pray thee, then,
                Write me as one that loves his fellow men."

                The angel wrote, and vanished. The next night
                It came again with a great wakening light,
                And showed the names whom love of God had blessed,
                And lo! Ben Adhem's name led all the rest.

            2. glendoncaba profile image80
              glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              English is not your first language perhaps so I will not mock your lack of understanding of my statement.  You ask for how I helped the universe. 

              answer, a flower must bloom where it is planted.  Yes I'm a child of universe but my immediate environment is my family. So I diverted you from church organisation to first spiritual responsibility as priest of my household.   

              with the absentee fathers so prevalent in western culture, any self-respecting philosopher or spiritual person would commend a man who begins with his first contact, his family. 

              but again a typical attitude of religious forum, jump to judgement before you understand the depth of the answer.

              Chukra, first love our neighbour before we can claim to love the world.  and first neighbourly contact is family.

              Keep it real man.  How change world, one person at a time.  How love the world?  Begin with those beside you.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Do you appreciate all spiritual books and not only the Holy Bible?

                1. glendoncaba profile image80
                  glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I will answer your question if you respond to my corrections of Chukra's assumptions.  We can't keep jumping all over the place.

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    with the absentee fathers so prevalent in western culture, any self-respecting philosopher or spiritual person would commend a man who begins with his first contact, his family.

                    Where did you learn this philosophy?
                    You are restricting yourself , all is you , all of humanity is you and not just your immediate family, that become ego and attachment.
                    Read about the Buddha or Guru Nanak. smile

              2. chukra G profile image59
                chukra Gposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Chukra, first love our neighbour before we can claim to love the world.  and first neighbourly contact is family.------- so can i love the god within me first and the rest later starts with my neighbour as u said. you are a good person indeed. i understand all of you but not all of you understand me smile

                1. glendoncaba profile image80
                  glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Cool. smile

                  You know though that we should now begin a long discussion on what you mean by love the god within.  I know what u mean but we Christians believe that man is creature, and God is Creator.

                  1. chukra G profile image59
                    chukra Gposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    we should know ourselves first, try to answer this question. Who are the real me? what is making me living,oxygen? which source is brought LIFE to me? i am giving you some clue the source is ONE, the soul within you is mine smile and it is the true, and the soul within jesus is mine too.

    2. video lost profile image61
      video lostposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      From several multi flavoured Bibles which one is the right to follow ???

      1. glendoncaba profile image80
        glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Click the link to the site and find out for yourself.

  2. profile image0
    shinujohn2010posted 7 years ago

    Bibles give great advices to keep people away from doing sins

    1. glendoncaba profile image80
      glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      With a picture like that how do you keep the hubbers form sinning. smile

      1. earnestshub profile image85
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And instructions to kill people to make others believe is a part of your "book of love" but some disobeyed.

          They did not destroy the peoples as the LORD had commanded them, but mingled with the nations and imitated their ways.   (Psalms 106:34-35 NAB)

        1. glendoncaba profile image80
          glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Earnest what r your views on death sentence?

          1. earnestshub profile image85
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I am dead set against it. So many have died who were innocent of any crime. Killing others to appease our own self hate is no solution.

            The answer is always the same. Incarcerate then educate.

            Most child molesters were molested themselves, most people who are violent have been bought up with it as a part of their poverty and lack of support from those who do not care and would rather blame.
            A belief in a god does not make people better, just more arrogant with a belief that they can kill, because that is what the bible recommends. smile

            1. glendoncaba profile image80
              glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              1.  surprised you ignored my tongue in cheek comment about sexy pic to shinujohn2010.  smile

              2.  seriously now, the whole OT theology of israel called to exterminate nations can only be understood in terms of people being given chance again and again until a death sentence is passed.  The bible teaches that death itself is result of sin.
              As I have said elsewhere, at a personal level i recoil at bloodshed, I am reluctant to squish a roach.  Yet love must permit both mercy and judgement.  One view is that sin is self-destructive. 

              3.  I agree with you that religious people can be very bloodthirsty.  Communism was atheistic and engaged in wars as well.  Even invaded Afghanistan too.

              4.  there is some troublesome research coming out of atheistic camp that secular societies are more civil, more balanced.  That is something to take seriously.  I would want to look at research design etc.

  3. Misha profile image76
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Would you stop bumping your thread please?

    1. glendoncaba profile image80
      glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry Misha, I don't understand your statement.  Please explain.  I have been responding to others.  What do you mean by bumping?

      1. Misha profile image76
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you spaced your responses so thread would stay on the top page all the time. smile

        1. glendoncaba profile image80
          glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You don't mean that, right.

          Man, you dont know me.

          You just taught me something.  If I had figured out computer stuff like this I would probably be a rich man. 

          Why such an interesting assumption?  Read my profile, I'm new to online geekdom.  On learning curve when it comes to SEO.  As soon as I learn something i write a hub about it eg google keyword tool, backlinking on SheToldMe.com, etc. 

          You just taught me something.  But it sounds difficult and manipulative.  One would need a software to do that in a systematic way.  You mean that people can plan to promote their internet profile by posting to forums at regular intervals in such a way that their thread is always at top of list?

          When do they sleep? 

          I do not need to lie.  What you observed is purely coincidental.
          Put it this way, I'm too simple to lie about something like that.  Simple as in both childish and childlike.  smile

  4. earnestshub profile image85
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I would doubt that this is substantive. atheist or not, people are still what they are, and although I may like to believe that, I have strong doubts.

    I have no doubts however that many have been put to death that are innocent, but innocent or not, no death penalty for me.
    We have removed it in Australia. smile

    Even if someone were to kill a member of my family, you would not find me screaming for blood. smile

    1. glendoncaba profile image80
      glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Even a pacifist like me will concede that sin and sinners are doomed to death unless a way is found.  That way, accordiing to the bible, is the free grace offered by jesus.

    2. glendoncaba profile image80
      glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      From another article by the well researched Ian Boyne.  These are points we believers have to examine with great concern.  Here is link for full article:

      http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/ … ocus3.html

      Below is just a portion:

      "The growth of Islamic fanaticism and terrorism; the danger of militant Islam to democracy and peace and the 9/11 experience have served to reinforce the view that religion is bad for society. In addition, the New Atheists are buttressed by scientific evidence which seems to prove that religion is harmful to sociological and psychological health.

      The facts

      An international survey of 23,000 persons in 17 democracies shows that "in general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with high rates of homicide, juvenile and early mortality STD-infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies". (See Gregory Paul's article in Vol. 7, 2005 issue of The Journal of Religion and Health).

      Secular Europe scores higher on a number of indices of social health than the more religious United States. Japan, which is a highly secularised society, is far more peaceful and sociologically healthy than religious America.

      Says Gregory in his Journal of Religion and Society essay: "The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the democracies, sometimes spectacularly so. No democracy is known to have combined strong religiosity and popular denial of evolution with high rates of societal health. The US is the least efficient Western nation in terms of converting wealth into cultural and physical health". And a religion is a major factor say the militant atheists."

  5. earnestshub profile image85
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Well I think that is just plain wrong.

    No god, no sin, just mankind living out the human condition. smile

    Who decides who dies? The law? the bible? It matters not. We as humans must look at what started the crime.

    Most times it is abuse they have suffered that makes people behave badly. how can you condemn someone who has no way to behave otherwise?

    If we want to stop crime, we need to stop the crime of abusing members of society and then blaming them for the outcome first.

    If a kid is watching his family go without food, he will sell drugs to feed them, and so would I. That is good morality in my view.

    Society takes the line of least resistance, not the process that would bring about real change, and the blaming that goes on in religion disgusts me deeply.

    My great great grandfather was sent to the Colonies for stealing a rabbit trap to feed his starving kids.

    My father taught me to be honest, but I never felt my great grandfather was anything but a real man. He fed his kids. smile

  6. earnestshub profile image85
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Here it is!

      If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.   (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

    Nice!

    1. glendoncaba profile image80
      glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      context dear boy is everything.

      I was going to say that the grace of God will make final decision.

      this passage you are quoting has a messianic and eschatological cleansing of land from impurity context.

      1. earnestshub profile image85
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this



        I doubt you can explain away the hundreds if not thousands of similar hate passages, by claiming that they were in reference to the destiny of mankind or to do with the promise of deliverance, smile and even if you did what difference does that make?
        Why would any entity with real knowledge have to explain with hate and fear as the motivator? Makes no sense at all. smile

        Only ignorance is motivated by fear.

        1. glendoncaba profile image80
          glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The Bible is its best defence.  Read it from beginning to end to get the whole story.  dont let the tough passages of the wrath of God against sinners discourage you.  Even earthly judges must pass tough sentences.

  7. earnestshub profile image85
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I have read it and the Quoran extensively. smile
    You can't be serious!
    How can you say that. The bible condemns itself as does the Quoran, and it takes "special" reading to try and make it say other than it does, not the other way around! smile

  8. glendoncaba profile image80
    glendoncabaposted 7 years ago

    Earnest if you dont believe thee is such a thing as sin then you live in a perfect universe. 

    I will move to Australia then.

    Human existence is a struggle between good and evil, and the Bible tells a story of hope.  The story ends with overcomers.

    1. earnestshub profile image85
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No I do not live in a perfect universe, I just have no use for "sin"
      Sin implies a belief in a god. I have no such belief.

      Good and bad, right and wrong are concepts I have no difficulty with.
      Threats made by any entity are taken with a grain of salt.

      I am not in need of threats, nor do they frighten me in to believing. smile. smile

      1. glendoncaba profile image80
        glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Since there is a possibility of there being a God you may just want to take another look at bible, the full story, which has a happy ending BTW.

  9. earnestshub profile image85
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    You know, there may be a way for you to believe in a god, but having studied the religious tomes, no tiny little neurotic god for me. smile

    I suggest that no sane person would ever believe in a god that is full of hate for his own creation, and blames mankind for fucking up the DNA unless they were indoctrinates at an early age. I was, but it did not stick.
    Logic and common sense prevailed! smile

    1. glendoncaba profile image80
      glendoncabaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      OUCH!  Must we swear.

      1. earnestshub profile image85
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry, the word has never bothered me. smile

 
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