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Is Shaul Stein Really A Believer?

  1. AEvans profile image66
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    I have spent a little time on a thread where Shaul has turned the other cheek on believers , mocked non-believers instead of embracing them.


    No need to answer you as you have said I have a demon.

    Just like they told Messiah....so I am in good company.

    Jesus ignored people quite often.....like I will now do with you.

    His statement is above when I clearly pointed out on his thread what the word of God was,now he believes he is the next best thing to the Messiah and nobody but himself is a believer with the exception of one. I am not her to push my beliefs whatsoever I am trying to understand as a Christian why another believer is not embracing the Book if they believe and why they are judging others, the Book I believe teaches me to love, forgive, not judge, not backslide, not blasphemy it does not teach us to place other people's names on the forum and call them mockers! My book is the Holy Bible! So my question after the great debate ," Is Shaul Stein really a believer? Or is he trying to gain knowledge? Another believer would not ignore another person and a teacher of God would give others knowledge what he is saying certainly is not Godly so without argument can this question be answered?

    1. chukra G profile image58
      chukra Gposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      non-believer doesnt exist. believe me.

      1. AEvans profile image66
        AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I do.smile

        1. chukra G profile image58
          chukra Gposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          thank you smile

    2. atomswifey profile image59
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I will answer this way:
      I do not believe the ones Shaul stated are mockers because you he stated they were.
      some of the ones that I have encountered on here are mockers because if you read what they have written they do mock and blaspheme God, His word and His Son.

      So I ask you, is it right for us as believers to do and back and forth argument about to God to someone who calls Him a psychopath? A small, tiny, invisible nothing as he does not exist?
      Should we fight over these words?
      No.
      All shaul was pointing out was that we are not to argue with them. Those that are not seeking, those that choose to come into debate with us for the sole purpose of arguing, mocking and blaspheming God.

      How do we know that is their sole intention?
      Read their posts.
      Are they asking questions?
      sticking to the topic?
      Not so, they go way off topic to mock and blaspheme.

      Not all and not all the time but most and most of the time.

      In those cases when that happens, I as a believer have chosen to not engage with them. Wipe the dust from my feet and move on.

      I find it a bit ironic for anyone to jump into an attack on Shaul as being a fellow believer and seeing this the way he does and yet, nobody has the inclination to defend or otherwise engage the nonbelievers when they mock and blaspheme God and His believers.

      When they call God a psychopath and His believers, ignorant, dumb, crazy, lunatics, irrational, etc etc etc. Where are all of you then? Do you jump in say, "wait a minute here, that is wrong!..." No I don't think so, since rarely has this happened to me while I was being attacked for my beliefs.

      There are some who agree with me and state their beliefs next to mine. But to accuse the nonbelievers of any wrong doing in their mockery, blaspheme etc. I have yet to see.

      I can only judge on this as I have defended not only my own beliefs but others as well. And too I have witnessed though rarely, other believers, like myself being defended.

      But yet, in here we see where one makes a thread and is jumped on immediately for it form both sides. AND WHO IS THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN I WOULD ASK ALL OF YOU!

      Jesus said, we know them by their fruits. We can in that regard "judge" people. We can judge based on what we see. And what I have seen through reading their own admissions of not just doubt, but arrogant and blatent disbelief. Arrogant and blatent disregard for anyone introducing truth to them about God or His word, or the salvation message through His son, Jesus. That is the truth!

    3. Daniel Carter profile image89
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I just find it excessively odd that Jesus hung out with the reprobates, outcasts and sinners, and shunned the portion of society that claimed they were the righteous ones (Pharisees and Saducees), and yet, somehow the general Christian believer fights that to the extreme. They can't be tainted by such, I guess. Must condemn. "We" won't listen, so they condemn? (Seems that way, at least.)

      How did this behavior become Christian behavior?

      If this is who God really is, why do I want to know him? I forget. Sounds like he's more like a devil to me.

      The more that some of our community here hiss and scream and wring their hands and tell me I'm going to hell, the more people like me are provoked to disagree, and then there is the argument, because they have to be right at all costs, which means arguing and bad feelings, etc. Where is the love in all that? I can't see it. LOVE??? Among believers??

      Strange psychodrama, this religion stuff. So not rational. It's justification for any person to act like foolish, childish, and very, very badly.

      That's what I think, which really, in the end isn't important. I just need to act consistently with my own values and principles. That's what it finally comes to in the end, I believe.

      1. Daniel Carter profile image89
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        BTW, I'm actually not a nonbeliever. I just don't buy in to the crap of most believers, nor do I think that the universe runs the way most believers say it does. I just don't know. There isn't enough evidence for me make a conclusion, and so it's just a journey, and there are lots of interesting people along the way.

        1. smokenchic profile image57
          smokenchicposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I like your answer. smile

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          Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          the univers goes towards the left...or was it the right? lol just kidding. Good answer Daniel I like you! smile you are cool in my books!

          1. Daniel Carter profile image89
            Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks, my friend. You are Ever Groovy in my book as well. Love what you have to say. Keep it up! Waving with the cheerleading squad for you.

        3. Daniel Carter profile image89
          Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hmmmmm, I'm feeling a few regrets about spilling all this stuff, only because it feels rather personal. Nonetheless, I may be hard hitting at times, but it isn't an attack on a person, it's the hard hitting skepticism about irrational beliefs that will never add up in an eternity. What if railroad really does run a different direction? Wouldn't you ultimately want to find out? I think that's what believers and nonbelievers are saying to each other. Why is that so threatening?

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    He isn't a believer, just someone who wants his opinion heard and not care about others opinion's

    1. AEvans profile image66
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I figured as much and his words are not necessary now he is defining the word mock he certainly is not 48.big_smile

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    Is that what he said his age is? 48? Couldn't be lol

    1. AEvans profile image66
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I was going over the thread and he said he was 48 young I find that hard to believe especially by his maturity on the forum. lolololo smile

      1. mobilephone guide profile image58
        mobilephone guideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        divide by three, that would be 16.

        1. AEvans profile image66
          AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You are quite smart indeed I never thought about that. big_smile
          So he is not supposed to legally be on here until he is 18. smile

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    I think Mobile might have something there lol

  5. mayhmong profile image62
    mayhmongposted 7 years ago

    Thanks for clearing that up!

  6. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    We have a show in Australia asking "Do you know more than a fifth grader", and they usually know more about the world than the adults. In the case of Shaul they would need to reduce that to 3rd grade for science. He knows nothing about it, and would be better to just say so, than arguing with those on here who do have a real science education. smile
    As far as religious beliefs even as a non believer it is easy to see how most people fall outside his narrow confines. smile

    1. AEvans profile image66
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So true he is a nimwit.smile

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    Yep if no one sides with him then they are to be shunned. Looks like msot of the people on hubpages are on that list. woohoo party and he ain't invited

  8. Sanctus Vesania profile image61
    Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago

    Is it ironic that as I type this I'm listening to Voltaire's "God Thinks"?  How appropriate that the song fits so very well.

    'God thinks all people like you are hateful
    God thinks all people like you are an embarrassment to creation
    Self righteous, judgmental, first to throw the stone
    And you're using His name for your own agenda.'


    If he was a believer he wouldn't be posting messages as the ones he did, and then spend most of his time tossing out judgments which amount to nothing more than, "You don't believe as I do, go study Bible, you are ignorant."

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      Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      AMEN Sanctus!

    2. AEvans profile image66
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with you and I would love to hear that song.smile

      1. Sanctus Vesania profile image61
        Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know how to embed videos, and this is really just the song.

        Enjoy!

        God Thinks

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    I notcied that Shaul has gone quiet...ooooo lol

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      wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ran outta red ink!  lol

    2. mobilephone guide profile image58
      mobilephone guideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      no, he just doesn't have anyone to reply to. he blacklisted almost everyone.

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        Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        this is true...so sad he has no friends here anymore

        1. mobilephone guide profile image58
          mobilephone guideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          he'll be back, on another account.

  10. AEvans profile image66
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    That should teach a 16 year old a lesson! lololo black listing people child's play, and Sanctius thank you for the link to the song! smile

    1. Sanctus Vesania profile image61
      Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Welcome!

      1. AEvans profile image66
        AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Now that was very good!!! I certainly did enjoy it. smile

        1. Sanctus Vesania profile image61
          Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Glad you liked it.  smile

          1. AEvans profile image66
            AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I really did and when I visit WLY tomorrow I am going to upload it. smile

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    He posted his stupid message to link to his other post about the list in another religious forum. oh how sad

    1. AEvans profile image66
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I didn't realize that it certainly is sad.

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    ugh don't ruin it for me mobile lmao yea I know he will...and we'll be ready lmao

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    okay off to bed. night guys and don't behave lol

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      goodnight smile

  14. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    AE, thought you were going to sleep? smile

  15. Montana Farm Girl profile image60
    Montana Farm Girlposted 7 years ago

    I did have to comment on his post... very disturbing!!

    1. AEvans profile image66
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree and he hasn't stopped as of this morning and to think when he first started I became a fan he is a strange one along with atomswifey.smile

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        Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Maybe they are one in the same?

  16. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    shaul stein is a believer of his own flaws. He's a believer in Error and Mislead. So a new branch of Christianity has been created in this forum !! hallelujah !!

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    Coool! one I don't want to be in nor respect. lol

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    *gasp* the other one got closed so we can't comment anymore sad lol

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes! Because I'm a SLMan lol

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        Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        LMAO okay fine I'll blame you for getting it closed lol

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      rednckwmnposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      NO WAY!! Religion threads get closed?

    3. Daniel Carter profile image89
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, sh**, ya'all! That just completely nullifies the compliment to gain such notoriety with Shaul in the other thread. Dang howdy.

      But my, my, my that was a good rant. I'm glad I found it before they shut it down.

      We could be devils and copy and paste *certain* portions in subsequent new threads, eh?

      (Devil that I am...)

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol Why not ??

        1. Daniel Carter profile image89
          Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Um, because I'd MUCH rather lay blame on someone else....LOL
          Are you up for it, Tantrum???
          (just kiddin')

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        Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lmao go for it

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    Yep apprently they do rednckwmn...guess someone got their feelings hurt and it got closed.

  20. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Gypsies..... Pack up and move to a more Holier thread.... Our host here is a sweetie instead the host of that other thread; whom I believe is the angry mistake of a Rabbi's cut of the wrong appendage! lol

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      Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oooo Pearl there is visual I didn't need about the rabbi and snip snip.. lol

    2. Daniel Carter profile image89
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      [GASP!!!]

      [Feigns shock and disgust]

      I think that I shall never see
      A twig de-leafed so shamelessly.

  21. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Well exactly.... Yet some still wish to waggle their BS and fall apart when it is returned. How sad... hmm

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    Yes Pearl it is sad...it is...but hey it is always good for a good laugh right? big_smile

  23. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Kidding too lol I'm not going to get banned for someone as atomswifey ! big_smile

    1. Daniel Carter profile image89
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ahhhh, c'mon. Purdy puhleeeeeeze?

      LOL

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Me ? yikes......yikes big_smile lol cool

        1. Daniel Carter profile image89
          Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Tantrum, you know I'm just pullin' your chain! I'm always looking for someone to blame it on!! LOL You rock, my man. I wouldn't ever want you to go away. I'm just teasin'. (But you knew that.)

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              cool

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    lol don't worry guys we have had our fun and I'm sure others will post something like that again.

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    lol tantrum you don't have to don't worry. We don't want you to get banned either. we would miss you. Oh did yuo see? Atomswifey is now going after me..how cute is that? She made a stupid comment I commented back and now she put my comment in her new thread about the sky being blue. How cute! LMAO NOT

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      she's an undercover troublemaker ! lol

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        Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yea wouldn't be surprised. lol oh well I'm done with her..she bores me now

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah! She's getting really boring. Same thing all the time!

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    yep...that is what happens with stale bible thumpers and those who think they are right all the time. lmao

  27. Valerie F profile image60
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    You know, is it really nice to devote a thread to judging a certain poster's character and relationship with God? That strikes me as the sort of behavior that would only prove to Shaul he's right to establish and add to his blacklist.

    I mean, who wants to be bothered with a bunch of gossips who talk smack about people behind their backs?

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      Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We weren't talking behind his back...he just wouldn't actually listen or read the posts

    2. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Shaul stein  and atomswifey  know perfectly well what I think of them. So why are you acting so ignorant and offensive and rude ?? I never talk behind backs.  You should apologize ! sad

    3. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You make me laugh !! lol lol .lol:

  28. Valerie F profile image60
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    I wasn't specifically accusing you, Tantrum.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Really ?? yikes Well I was talking with another hubber , just when you wrote your post. So....

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    LMAO Hey Daniel aren't you supposed to be working? that was the last thing you said to me on the other thread that got closed. lol

    1. Daniel Carter profile image89
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I PRETEND to work and the PRETEND to pay me.
      wink

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        Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        OOOOOOH I want a job like that LMAO

        1. Daniel Carter profile image89
          Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          smile
          Me too...except, I want one where I pretend to work and they pay me big bucks. That hasn't happened yet. Amway didn't seem like a good alternative for it either...

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            Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yea the big bucks sounds better to me

  30. atomswifey profile image59
    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago

    I find it rather interesting that the thread naming some unbelievers gets taken off reply and yet this one targeting a member in a very personal way remains open. hmmm? funny.

    1. AEvans profile image66
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting isn't it and I have requested that this one be closed myself no longer a debate. smile

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        Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you did AEvans? aaaa we are just talking now. sad

        1. AEvans profile image66
          AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I did but we will be able to meet in another thread we do not need anymore conflict regarding the topic see you in a little bit. smile

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            Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Okay AEvans as long as we get to flap our jaws together lmao

            1. AEvans profile image66
              AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              We will !!! big_smile

      2. Daniel Carter profile image89
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Perhaps there aren't enough complainers here?

        BWAH HA HA HA HA....

        (Gotta laugh a little. Not worth being mad....)

        1. AEvans profile image66
          AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm certainly not upset but the whining is beginning and I do not have enough cheese to give. lolololo ((( Big Hugs)) smile

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      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I just noticed that. "Closed to reply"???
      I haven't had a chance to post on that thread, so I will "vent" here.
      I am glad that Shaul named those he named. The list had a few new namesI wasn't familiar with. The thing is thet he is spot on. They ARE mockers, and I had been contemplating exactly what he suggested us to do. Not respond to their (often stupid and nasty) comments to believers.
      If you, or anyone else thinks they are seeking knowledge, you are mistaken. Their posts show what manner of intent they posses.
      But, that's just my opinion. I am entitled to it, aren't I? big_smile

      1. Daniel Carter profile image89
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yup.

        1. atomswifey profile image59
          atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Isn't freedom of expression a great thing?! smile

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    So Daniel...what is your job anyways? back to more important things then people blabbing about nothing...

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