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Is Messiah really the visible image of the invisible GOD?

  1. underhiswings profile image60
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    Yes or no or I am not sure.....or ???

    2nd question:
    Is Messiah the Image of GOD we are to worship?

    1. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We are all his image, god is in everything .

      2nd- No worship the spirit or god in him which is also the spirit in you.

  2. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Don't know if the Messiah is image of God. The sound that comes out of the Lords mouth is the word and  is also called Jesus Christ. I'm not sure if God has a single image. "I am that I am" implies that he/she/it is everything. I think that Jesus was God in the image of a Man??? I also think that if God wants to communicate with a frog, the frog would see him/her/it as appearing like a frog. This to help the frog to feel more comfortable???

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you read the New Testament?

  3. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    The question ...visible image implies physical similarity. I do not think that anyone has seen God to make that determination.

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Have you seen the New Testament?

  4. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I've read several versions and many, many interpretations

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before God made anything at all and is supreme over all creation.

  5. underhiswings profile image60
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    If the Good News we preach is veiled from anyone, it is a sign that they are perishing.
    Satan, the god of this evil world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe, so they are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News that is shining upon them. They don't understand the message we preach about the glory of Christ, who is the exact image of God.

  6. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    @  Underhiswings
       mine and your basic believe differences are based in my understanding of end time prophesies. I do believe that when God gives the interpretation of the thing; we should understand that literally as written. I believe that if this can not be taken literally, nothing can be taken literally.
        I believe that this is the root of ALL and conflictconfusion.

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you know where the statements came from?

  7. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    which statements are you refering to

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      the ones I posted smile

  8. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I do not believe that the God of heaven looks like The son of man (Jesus)looked like while he was here on the earth.
      You might refresh my memory as to which other statements.

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Here are some from The New Testament

      For he has rescued us from the one who rules in the kingdom of darkness, and he has brought us into the Kingdom of his dear Son.
      God has purchased our freedom with his blood and has forgiven all our sins.
      Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before God made anything at all and is supreme over all creation.
      Christ is the one through whom God created everything in heaven and earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can't see-kings, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities. Everything has been created through him and for him.
      He existed before everything else began, and he holds all creation together.

      If the Good News we preach is veiled from anyone, it is a sign that they are perishing.
      Satan, the god of this evil world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe, so they are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News that is shining upon them. They don't understand the message we preach about the glory of Christ, who is the exact image of God.

      He who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

  9. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I do not remember where it is written but it is written that  no one can look upon the face (Glory) of God and live.

  10. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    If you believe that we should take that verse concerning Jesus being the exact image of God literally, then you should take the 9th chapter  of Daniel literally also

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So it is all figurative to you?
      God has no image?
      Paul was just saying nonsense?
      No man can see the glory of Him and live, true.
      What is that glory then?
      The answer is in the text I posted.

  11. underhiswings profile image60
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    If Jesus is not the image of God, then who's image is He?

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I believe that Jesus in god in the image of man.

      1. underhiswings profile image60
        underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well what about all the things i posted that Paul stated?
        Paul did not say He is the image of man.
        He said the exact image of God.

  12. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    If I have ever spoken a single word of truth on these forums it would be that when GOD tells Gabriel to tell Daniel the interpretation of the matter, this should be taken literally. 
        If any christian can not see the truth in that,,, they are blind indeed.
         I do not see how they can say that they believe anything that is written in scripture. What would that be based upon?

  13. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    It is written that jesus is the only begotten son of God.
        Psalms 2:7the Lord hath sain unto meThou art my son this day I hath begotten the. (David said this)
        There is too much truth lost in translation for us to loose any more by interpretating the word of God

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nothing to interpret here Jerami

      Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.

      the glory of Christ, who is the exact image of God.

      He who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person.

      Direct statements from Col. Cor. and Heb.

      If He is the only begotten of God....then that makes Him....His image.

      1. underhiswings profile image60
        underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You seem to not want to address the above. smile

    2. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Who said that?

      The Lord is talking there not David.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        does that not cause a problem with there being only one begotten son

  14. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    how do we explane Psalmes 2:7  that God said thou art my son  this day I have begotten thee

  15. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    My point all along is that when there is a clear contradiction of facts, who are we to form the basis of our beliefs upon.  God or Paul ?

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, so you think Paul and whoever wrote Hebrews contradicts God?
      Perhaps you seem to think there is a contradiction?

      Please point it out to us. smile

      Take what Paul said and find a contrary scripture because that is a serious charge you just issued against the apostle Paul who saw the risen Messiah in His image and likeness.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        the contradiction or misinterpretation that I am speaking of at this time is Psalmes 2:7  and jesus being the only begotten son of God.  This is either a clear contradiction or a misinterpretation.  You tell me wich

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          Scott.Lifeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Alot of scholars think Luke may have authored Hebrews along with Acts, as it shares a similar writing style.

        2. underhiswings profile image60
          underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You are the one who said a contradiction exists Jerami...I see none, perhaps you are confused to say Paul who said Messiah is the exact image of GOD is wrong?
          You leveled the charge, you get to prove it. smile

  16. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I often have trouble believing mans interpretations of scripture. When we take this verse as literal fact and when do we consider the verse as needing interpretation.
       I tend to take those verses said to be quotes from the father the son or Gabriel as in need to be taken literally. If interpretation is needed lets do that with the disciple version

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      In the beginning was THE WORD and THE WORD was GOD...

      So GOD is the WORD and who is that WORD?

  17. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Again you are interpretating my words to seem that I am saying something else as you seem to do with scripture.
    Why are you twisting my words?

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You said that there is a contradiction Jerami.

  18. underhiswings profile image60
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    God has an Only begotten who was begotten in His image...no problem.

    If God has an image, who it that image Jerami?

  19. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    King David is Gods begotten son 
    Psalms 2:7   " I declare the decree the Lord hath said unto me  "Thou art my son this day I have begotten thee"
      Jesus of Nazareth is gods only begotten son
      this seems to be a contradiction or misinterpretation.
      As to what God and Jesus looks like I do not know!
      I do not think that Paul had seen God either therefore I in all honesty can not say.
       And off the top of my head I do not remember reading the verse you are referring to

  20. Tackle This profile image61
    Tackle Thisposted 7 years ago

    What a great question.  But, yes, I believe that Jesus portrays the Godhead bodily -- yes.

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cf … mp;t=KJV#4

      http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cf … p;t=KJV#15

      http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cf … mp;t=KJV#3


      If you click those links you will see it.
      He also proved He was the image when He transfigured Himself on the mount.

  21. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I noticed moments ago, on another thread you referred to PSlms 2:7  king David being the begotten son of God.  And yet you say that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. You also say that there is no contradiction or mistranslation.  ????????????????

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are the one that thinks it's David
      You think it is David not me...no way.

      Here in the same Psalm it proves He is not talking about David
      http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cf … JV#comm/12

  22. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I have answered your question several times why will you not answer mine?

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I have....you think a contradiction exists...I do not.

  23. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    The Lord did say it to King David (in the present tense), about 1000 BC.  I believe that when prophesy was written concerning Jesus I believe it said that not one bone "WILL"  be broken. I believe prophesy was all written in the future tense, But I could be wrong.

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      OK OK OK ....

      So what about what Paul said?

      When Messiah transfigured into glory....what image was that?
      The image of whom?

      If you just want to say Messiah is not the image of God, then say it.
      You will be contradicting Him though.

      He said "all the glory of the Father is in ME !!!"

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        By your statement I will assume that you agree that King David is the son of God and this day he was begotten. This is a contradiction or misinterpretation. 
        as for what Paul said, tell me the chapter and verse and I will look it up in my KJ version  computer isn't acting right.

        1. underhiswings profile image60
          underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          2Cr 4:4
          Col 1:15
          Hbr 1:3

          All of Psalm 2 is about Messiah and some of what David did resembled Messiah. Look at v.10 though and you cannot tell me it is talking of David

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The only thing That I might speculate upon when reading these verses is that when these verses were written,(around 60 AD) Jesus was with the father and in his glory. These verses are also written in the present tence. It   DOES NOT    say that while Jesus walked the earth he WAS the image of the Father.father.
               "Be wise therefore , O ye kings ye judges of the earth."
                the kings must be instructed (learn) for they are judges of the earth   I do not understand your point?

            1. underhiswings profile image60
              underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              If you have seen ME than you have seen the FATHER....HE said this while on the earth.

              HE was transfigured into the glory of GOD in front of Peter James and John.

              HE said all that the Father has of glory I AM it !!!

              HE was resurrected and now is the glorious image of GOD just like HE always has been.

  24. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I have studying end time prophesy for almost ten years,
    anticipation of every question imaginable in an attempt to disprove my belief concerning the time comparison between prophetic and earthly time. this concept affects every area of scripture. I  attempted to disprove this belief without success. The more analytical examination I spent further proved this concept at least in my mind with more certainty. I doubt that you can think of a question that I have not already considered.

    1. underhiswings profile image60
      underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The topic here is THE IMAGE OF GOD.

  25. underhiswings profile image60
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    So do you believe HE was GOD in human form?
    GOD in the flesh?
    THE WORD made manifest?

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I have never denied that . It is a fact. But I believe that when he was in the flesh he left all of his "Gods Glory" at Home

      1. underhiswings profile image60
        underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So is HE now the image of GOD?

  26. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I am convinced that he is now the spittin image of God.  When the messiah ascended up into heaven he was the brutally slain lamb of God when he began opening the first six seals. He then became Messiah the Prince as written in the book of Daniel.

  27. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I must say that this has been a plesant discussion with you tonight.  But is getting late and I have to do more hard manuel labor tomorrow. gotta take a few asprins and get some sleep. get up early and take more asprins   
       sweet dreams

 
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