I was just thinking about the Holy Trinity.Three persons in
God.The Father,Son and Holy Spirit.
The third person,the Holy Spirit may be a women.
First I would like to encourage you to continue to think about the Holy Trinity to arrive at the TRUTH. The idea of the Trinity comes from the Bible, it is a Christian doctrine therefore it is crucial to refer to the Bible to find an answer. I would suggest reading John 16:5-15 in the New Testament to answer your question. You will see that it is gender specific. God is always refered to as "He"
To me, with all due respect, that's like asking what ethnicity the Holy Spirit is. I don't think it matters. By tradition through scripture, the implication is that he is male. However, traditions can be truth or legend.
This is an intriguing question to be sure. The answer, I believe is not really available for us to know.
Just my thoughts.
Thats a good questions. In my opinion the Holy Spirit is neither man nor women its the spirit of God, power.
Thats a good questions. In my opinion the Holy Spirit is neither man nor women its the spirit of God, power.
I think you are refering to the softer side of God. For the meaning of man is as Allan wrote. One needs only to look at a dictionary to find this meaning. There is a section that describes man as man and wife or for that matter the human race. So yes you are right.
Father is the source of the Light called Shiva in Hinduism.
Son is us humans.
Holy Spirit is the light coming from the source which permeates everything- Shakti.
It is a trinity but not three persons in one.
The trinity is an interesting idea which, in my view describes time. Father = Past (Origins) Present = Son Holy Spirit = Future
The gnostic text Pistus Sophia if I remember it correctly describes the descent of wisdom from god to earth and wisdom is described as feminine.
Greek texts also describe muses as feminine. The trinity idea of holy spirit is similar to the idea of a muse inspiring someone to great creativity - and thus linking them to the creative principal which is described as god.
I didn't give an answer to your original question so here goes.
To receive spirit one has to be in a receptive mode and capable of being insired. So spirit itself has no gender but the person receiving its wisdom must be in an open feminine mode.
The principle is the same as meditation, visualisation and hypnosis only in this case the influence is from a potentially higher level of consciousness.
I like to think that the Holy Spirit is neither man, woman or child. Because if we define it sex we as humans will limit its abilities. The Holy Spirit is a teacher, and a make it happen spirit and because of it abilities it can relate to us all - Men, Women and Children and teach us all on the level we are currently at in our time and lives.
Think hard and see what is before us: You where a baby/child at one time right. Then you became an adult who worked hard. Then you grow old and see everything better. This is three persons in one body, right?
I agree. The Holy Spirit is not human (or animal) so we cannot put it into a category of either male or female.
Wrong!... The Holy Trinity certainly exsist. Maybe it would be better said, that "You don't know The Holy Spirit." Also any sentence that answers a question like this - starting out with the word "Trick" makes me know just how much you do not know about what you are confirming you say does not exsist. Does it not exsist to you because you "can't" see it? or justify it logically in your mind or What?
The Holy Trinity does exist! I don't see the Holy Spirt but He is very much felt within me. To say that the Holy Spirit does not exist is ereasing the Father and the Son as well. You have to belief in all three not just part of the Trinity. The 'Trick" reminds me of an atheistic view and not the Truth of God.
Thats why you wrote about your Christian beliefs and Hitler. You're a phoney! You're just here to cause trouble and see how many people you can piss-off!
I don't mean to be flip, but the name Cynicist would indicate to me that this person intends to stick pins in other people's balloons just for the fun of it. I suggest you either ignore them, or play along. Eventually, they will get tired or get serious. Who knows, along the way they may find something useful to say.
The Holy Spirit is referred to with feminine as well as masculine imagery why? Because we, being comparatively small mortal humans, have trouble relating personally to a being we have not anthropomorphized.
Good question ScarletRyan1970.
As God, the Holy Spirit has no polarised gender. The ‘he’ is used in the general sense to attribute personality, because we consider it rude to refer to any person as ‘it’, except for for some infants.
God’s title of Father refers to his being the Originator and Instigator of all creation, but God himself has both masculine and feminine traits which he imbued in man, as recorded in Genesis 1:26-28.
'Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
'So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth."'
The Hebrew for Man is ‘Adam’ which can refer to mankind generally rather than the gender-specific male epithet ‘ish’ (woman is 'ishshah'). And Adam in turn, closely relates to Adamah (earth), Edom (red) and Dam (blood).
So Adam was originally created with the traits of both male and female, from whom God drew the female side out. This is biologically insightful, reflecting the genetic reality that you cannot create a man from a woman, because she has two X chromosomes but no Y chromosome, whereas a woman may be fashioned from a man who has both X and a Y.
So, if man was made in ‘God’s image, after his likeness’, woman must reflect a vital aspect of God's being. However, in the heavenly realm where there is no necessity for physical procreation, spirits have no sex per se, as Jesus pointed out to the sceptical sect of the Sadducees in Matthew 22:23-30.
'The same day Sadducees came to him, who say that there is no resurrection, and they asked him a question, saying, "Teacher, Moses said, 'If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up children for his brother.' Now there were seven brothers among us. The first married and died, and having no children left his wife to his brother. So too the second and third, down to the seventh. After them all, the woman died. In the resurrection, therefore, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had her." But Jesus answered them, "You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.'
Jesus again reveals God’s feminine side in Matthew 23:37, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!”
And in Judaism the tangible presence of God which is sometimes called ‘the Shekinah glory’ is often considered to represent God’s feminine side. So, the Holy Spirit is not a woman, but neither is he a man. As God he transcends both, combines both and completes both.
You assume that the Holy Spirit is a person rather than an entity. When someone uses a word in general conversation to refer to something that doesn't automatically imply rude intentions. It's the spirit in which it is used that defines intention.
No, I don't assume the Holy Spirit is a person, it was Jesus who decribed him as 'another Comforter' - 'allon parakleton' in John 14:16, where other 'allos' means 'another of the same kind', as opposed to 'heteros' 'one of another kind', as in 'heterosexual'.
The Bible also ascribes other personal attributes to the Holy Spirit, such as his ability to be grieved or blasphemed. Indeed, in Greek law a parakletos was no mere entity but a lawyer or attorney, which is where we get the idea of his being our Counsellor.
What we would consider rude where we live, in Scotland, is that while, we would use general epithets like 'one' when referring to yourself or 'you' when referring to oneself, we would never use 'it' of anyone.
Great reply`s to all of the above :0)
I was driving one day many moons ago and tallking to the Holy spirit and as I rounded a corner..he spoke very cleary to me...He Said " Michael I,m not an it, I,m a person " That statement blew me away ...I had always refered to the holyspirit as it as a result of my Religious upbringing
To me and no disrepect to all of the above :0) the gender does not really mater...Jesus wanted to realate to us so he came as a man and when he left he sent back our councilor, teacher / close companion the holy spirit who leads us into all truth..and the fact that my dad sent me a cool buddy to guide me down here is pretty darn wonderful and that he led me out of religion is a blessing beyond words....
To the oringal question ? male or female...never stop questioning until you get a personal revelation from the holy spirit after all thats why the spirit came to guide us into all truth...
ok I,m going on LOL...Have a great week :0)
Just read my reply and noticed I refered to The spirit as a He , old habits die hard LOL !!!!
The Holy Spirit is an It; and the whole doctrine of the Trinity is unbiblical. It wasn't conceived until around 200-300 AD.
And if anyone (Speaking to Trinity believers here) believes that saying the Trinity is unbiblical is blasphemy, consider this;
Several of the seven churches in Revelation didn't believe in the Trinity, and two of them received very little criticism.
None of the churches were criticized for not believing in the trinity.
Although, Proverbs does show that there may have been a co-creator called Wisdom, that created next to God.
I'm in agreement with mikeq107 and Rick Marlow on this.
True, the word ‘trinity’ is nowhere mentioned in the Bible, but extrapolating from this that the doctrine is unbiblical is disingenuous. Nor was it invented by Athanasius (AD 293-373) then slipped into the Nicene Creed in AD 375, as seems to be suggested. Such obfuscations beg the question whether to begin ones rebuttal with the red herring or the straw man.
Tertullian (AD 160-225), to whom we are indebted for his ingenuity in devising the term ‘trinity’ to succinctly express the more convoluted concept of ‘triunetheism’ (belief in one God as three distinct personalities) was long dead before Athanasius was born.
Nor does the Trinity contradict the Shema: “Hear O Israel! The Lord our God, the Lord He is One.”
It is fallacy that Jesus never believed himself divine. So amply did Jesus assert it, his very crucifixion was engineered by Jerusalem’s religious authorities on the precise grounds of his alleged blasphemy in saying so.
And the personality of the Holy Spirit is supported both grammatically and contextually and he is personified as ‘the Comforter’, ‘does not speak on his own authority’, can be ‘grieved’ and so on.
The Holy Trinity is even reflected in Genesis 1:26, where Elohim says, “Let us make Man in our own image, after our likeness…” a statement not only pointing to God’s unified plurality but that of Man made in God's image, whom the Bible elsewhere reveals is triune in kind: composed of spirit, soul and body. So, which is it? Am I a spirit, or a soul, or a body? The astonishingly counterintuitive answer is, ‘Yes!’
Likewise: Is God the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit? – Yes.
But perhaps the most moving depiction of the true nature of the Trinity is found in Luke 15; often regarded as three separate parables: the Lost Sheep, the Lost Coin and the Prodigal Son. In fact, as Jesus recounts them, their theme can be better rendered the Parables of the Finder – God himself – who a closer examination reveals as a Trinity.
The shepherd of a hundred sheep, who goes out in search of the lost one, represents Jesus himself. The woman with ten silver coins, who searches for the lost one, represents the Church in whom the Holy Spirit dwells. The loving father of two sons, rejected by one who later returns repentant, represents God the Father.
Each one; Shepherd, Woman and Father, relates slightly differently to the lost individual, but all are united in their loving concern and desire to seek and welcome them home.
That, to me, speaks far more eloquently of the true nature of our God than a thousand spurious theological arguments.
In many instances in the Bible the Spirit of God, The Spirit, The Holy Spirit, The Holy Ghost is referred to in the masculine.
Some say that the Spirit is not a person but a power or force.
But all scripture indicates to me that He is a person, He is masculine.There are many personal acts attributed to the Spirit.
The Spirit said::Acts 13:2
The Spirit speaks expressly::1 Timothy 4:1
He saith to the churches:: Revelation 2:7
He searches all things::1 Corinthians 2:10
He makes intercession::Romans 8:27
The mind of the Spirit:: Romans 8:27
The Spirit knows the things of God::1 Corinthians 2:11
He dwells in you 1 Corinthians:: 3:16
He is sent by the Father John:: 14:26
He guides, He speaks, He hears::John 16:13
The Spirit said to Peter::Acts10:19
The Holy Ghost said:: Acts 13:2
The Father,Son and Holy Spirit work together numerous times,where They are joined together to accomplish something.
Peter asked Ananias in Acts 5:3&4 about lying to the Holy Ghost and in verse 4 says (Thou Hast Not Lied Unto Men But Unto God)speaking of the Spirit.
It appears very clear to me ,the Person of the Spirit
I'm not a christian so a lot of you might not like this much, but I see life's trinity as two Gods and the child made in their form, or rather a combined form. Father, Mother, Child. I believe in a lot of things beyond that and it gets complicated, but I see a trinity as a cycle and believing in evolution I see life as a circle.
I think Jesus was too smart for his time, St. Paul didn't even know Jesus and he wrote a whole book on him, so maybe I'm wrong but then who's to say he didn't purposely change things. Remember the wedding where he turned water to wine? It's a common jewish tradition that the groom bring the wine.
Maybe the trinity is how you see it, but maybe there are many trinities in life and ourselves. If I'm right though, the next reincarnation of God is a girl.
The holy trinity as defined by christians however, I see more like a representation of ourselves, our soul is the holy spirit, the part of us attached to the true God, the circle in my beliefs, our minds our own God's making our choices and ultimately making our world how we see it, and the son our body, our emotional and physical selves, the result of this mother and fathers child.
Lmao, nobody is going to understand a word of that haha. K just wanted to put my opinion in, ignore me hahaha.
Please stop trying to bible bash me.I only asked a light hearted Question. I will not be replying to Bible bashers.
We don't do that here.I am a very delicate little human being.
The Holy Spirit is a Mystery.
Thankyou all the same for your input.Oh! by the way which Bible are you all quoteing from? Now i bet i have started another row.Hope not.I think i will head into the comedy club or the Humour room.
Holy spirit is a spirit, it is not a human , animal or physical being, it is gender neutral.
Just a thought.The Holy Spirit must have being in Human form
on this planet before he/she became Spirit Form.Back in time that is.Then again maybe The Holy Spirit has yet to come in Human form.Just curious.
It's imagination brought to life, it's whatever you want it to be.
I do like the concept that you do have the Holy Ghost as a separate entity, and not tied up in the 3 in one and 1 is three concept many religions teach.
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The trinity was a concept that i always got confused on. But then that's normal for me.
I say that the Holy Spirit may not necessarily have a gender. Then again, does it really matter?
I would say that any higher consciousness is genderless
No! The bible is all about the celebration of "men" and their penises used to rape women.
God hated women.
Job 25:4-6 “How can one born of a woman be pure?”
Starting with Genesis 1:2 to Revelation 22:17. The Holy Spirit is our Spritual Mother, Ruach HaKodesh. Jesus the Massiah said yes: John 3:3-8. Most Messianic Jews Say yes. OT the Holy Spirit is Female, try Vine's Dictionary of Hebrew and Greek words. Even the Greek translation of the OT gives Wisdom Knowledge, and Understandind a female name Sophia - Isaiah 11:2; Proverbs 1:18-23. A Mother Eagle - Dueteronomy 32:11. The One who teaches us new Christians after She borns us: John 14:16-17,26; 15:26; 16:7,-8,13. A good book to get hold of is: "Holy Spirit Mother:Because God is Family," Discover concealed Bible truths for healing family, marraige and gender relations, by Walesia Robinson Cates. M.D.. You can find one on Amazon.com.
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her physical,gendre,colour etc is the aura of the pure energy that you meant . it can be male or female, not a big problem.
Perhaps the best explanation is that it might have feminine qualities, but that does not make it a woman per se. For example: I, as a man could have feminine qualities. Would that make me a woman?
The best explanation of the Trinity I can think of is that the Trinity is the three ways God expresses His love for us. He does so as the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. All are the same person expressing love in a distinct way. (Creator, Redeemer, and Guide). Does this make sense or am I being a heretic? hahaha
That makes a lot of sense to me thetfin.
A prayer that I say each morning describes the Holy Trinity like this, "the Power of the Father, the Wisdom of the Son and the merciful Tenderness of the Holy Spirit."
Another question to ponder along these lines is why did Satan temp Eve instead of going after Adam?
Wisdom and women go hand in hand, so my answer would be yes and no on is the Holy Spirit a female entity. I would have to say both man and women make up the Holy Spirit.
I have to agree with the Spirit being a genderless entity.
We believe that the Father and Son exist as two separate individuals along with the Holy Ghost. However, the Father and Son exist with bodies of flesh and bone, perfected. The mission of the Holy Ghost is to bear witness within each and every one of us of the Father and Son and of all truth whether scholastic or otherwise. In order to accomplish this mission the Holy Ghost does not yet have a tangible body of flesh and bone but is truly a spirit that can, if invited, dwell and exist within each and every one of us.
Our genders were born with us even when we dwelt with the Father as spirits prior to our sojourn on Earth. It is a very part of the core of who we are. The Godhead constitutes authority and power of the priesthood. This priesthood exists and is endowed upon the male gender. As a part of the Godhead and a holder of this authority and power the Holy Ghost is male.
As a sidenote let's not confuse the priesthood with modern sexism. The males hold this authority, yes, but the females uphold it and aid to sanctify and justify that authority through their own works. This authority must be endowed by the Father and must be a "similitude" of the Father and the Son.
I respect your views and all else and I thank you for sharing your personal beliefs with us.
The answer to your question is "yes, the Holy Spirit is a man or a woman" - or anything else you choose. We humans beings with our limited mental capacity, cannot conceive of, or truly relate to anything which is beyond our personal experience and reality, thus the need for human representations.
So, yes, visualise it, label it, any way you like as long as you feel comfortable with the imagery and can get that out of the way to concentrate on the essence.
As I said, if that imagery makes you comfortable, that's fine. For you.
This may come as a shock to some and I'm pretty sure, you will take it for what it's worth.
I studied religion most of my life, from age 5 up to 35. I was born and baptised 'catholic'. I've made my communion and confirmation.
I am currently 41 with my past birthday and haven't had any form of religion in my life since age 35, because I stopped believing.
How ever, my studies lead me to understand that the 'Holy Spirit' and/or 'Holy Ghost', is a Man. Even, in my extra studies done in religion, after I stopped believing, has also lead me to understand that the 'Holy Spirit' / 'Holy Ghost' is a man.
I BELIEVE THE Holy spirit is a male persona, because He interprets what Christ thinks and the Father thinks. The female in heaven is the Virgin mary and she is definitely labeled female. The trinity is male. But I can say as a female, God certainly uderstands me and He gets me better than anyone else. I just think that sense the Trinity is One it stands to reason that they are all male.
Man busts a nut and bails.
Women host their offspring, nurture them, and are always there when they need them.
Definitely a man...
Or a figment of imagination... you choose.
IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS WE ARE GODS,( OR DIUSES) DEMOCRACY SAYS HALF ASS MEN ARE THE RULERS AND SLAVE DRIVERS OF THE WORLDL WHEN THE CREATOR SAID THE FEMALES OR WOMEN AS THE RECREATORS OF HIS CREATION IT IS AN INSULT TO OUR CREATOR AND TO ALL WOMEN TO BE LED OR DRIVEN BY THESE SELF SERVING CREATURES THAT CALL THEMSELVES MEN CAUSE MEN DO NOT DO THAT SO WERE ARE MADE BOTH IN MIND SHE IS FEMALE TO THE WOMEN TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND WHAT IS HERS AS SHOULD A MAN
THE HOLY SPIRIT OR THE HOLY GHOST IS THE ONE THAT WILL SEE HIMSELF IN IT THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT OR GHOST WHICH IS THE ONE CHRIST SENDS TO LET THE WORLD KNOW OF THE POWER OF DIUS
Yes pure energy! Yes, All three are Spirit and do not need sex to reproduce. However, their greatest achievement is to have a family. Yehovah the originator , Gen.1:1 takes the Father position. Ruach HaKodesh Genesis 1:2 - Takes the Position as mother and birther hovering over her empty nest as a mother eagle, the one who literally has the job of borning us and training us 24/7, John 3:3-8;John 16:13. Yeshua, Jesus the Christ is the Word and spokesman for God the Father in the Old Testament an as the God of Israel. Then born of God in the New Testament and becomes spokesman again and reintroduces both the Father and the Holy Spirit to humans, John 3:3-8,16-17.As God's
spiritual sperm or seed he is used to start the Church, God's "birthing center" where the Holy Spirit dwells, 1 Corinthians 3:16-17. All "symbolic" of course.
Does Good need sex ? Well, yes but he has given us humans this job or reproducing children in the flesh, who are to qualify and become new children for God, Romans 8:16.God loves us and shares this most important event with us instead of just doing it themselves which is not needed in the way they created angels, Isaiah 55:8-9. They remain as our Heavenly parents and Jesus Christ our Redeemer as their most beloved Son.
The sadist thing about all this at this time in history is most seem to understand the Father and the Son, but The Holy Spirit is a big mystery to most humans, especially those claiming to be Christians. Even the pagans have male and female gods like the Greeks, Babylonians, and Egyptians. But their gods are not God. But even Satan knows how important family is for control of civilization and is using it to destroy us with his evil ways, Genesis 3:1-16, Revelation 12:9.
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