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Is witnessing to unbelievers difficult for you? Or Not?

  1. yolanda yvette profile image59
    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago

    How are you at witnessing of Christ to your family, friends, neighbors and co-wokers who don't believe?

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol, ever try to witness to a "believer".  I assure you that it is much more difficult. big_smile

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why don't you delete this thread as you did with the other one minutes ago ? big_smile

    3. carolegalassi profile image78
      carolegalassiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What a great question! As a new believer and on fire, I was better then. Now I'm sorry to say, I'm not as exuberant and wait for opportunities the Lord opens up. If I am prompted, I do put a word in but see how the conversation is going before I do.

      1. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        This is wisdom speaking.

    4. carolegalassi profile image78
      carolegalassiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes it is. You have to wait for the right time and proceed a little at a time, of course if the questions keep coming, it can be a great discussion.

    5. Precious Pearl profile image80
      Precious Pearlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, it is difficult especially when I am in my flesh.  It is challenging but not as difficult when I stay prayerful and rely upon Him to order my steps and give me the words.  Witnessing takes more than one form and we need to know when to speak and when to remain silent allowing God to do the work through us.

      1. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you, Precious Pearl.

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Rom 8:9  But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

        I agree that we need to know when to speak and when to remain silent. This comes fromn wisdom which comes from knowledge of God.

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So I see a lot of christians don't have any knowledge of God, as they speak, and very loud, when they should remain silent. We see this in everyday life all the time. From people preaching the word in public places to the door to door preaching asnd selling of the Bible. And what of mormons and JW ?!

    6. ionerice profile image60
      ionericeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There are 300 million people in the United States and around 266 million declare themselves to be Christians.  The other 34 million are Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist, Atheists and Agnostics.  There are also very small religious groups that number in the few thousands.  The members of the mainstream well-known religious groups will never become a Christian because of engrained culture.  Most Atheists and Agnostics in this country were all once members of the fold and because of enlightenment and revelation that Christianity is a big fat lie will never return to the fold. 

      Many of the non-believers in America are ex-ministers, Sunday school teachers and Evangelists.  They have written many articles and published many books against Christianity.  So it does not matter how one lives or what’s said, the only reason for an individual to become a Christian is that they aren’t familiar with it’s doctrine and dogma. However, it’s quite possible to minister to a person that has strayed away from the fold that isn’t students of enlightenment. 

      P.S.  the world population of 6 billion and only 2 billion are Christians.

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        When people declare themselves something, it doesn't make it so. It is easy to say I am this or I am that. Lies are too easily told.



        There will always be those who go against the grain just as there will be those who go against truth. Many are rebellious and they use a multitude of excuses to justify their rebellion.



        They will not become believers in Christ because of the hardness of their hearts. It has nothing to do with how they were raised.



        Prove that it is a lie. You cannot do it. You think it might be a lie, so you say it is a lie. I recall reading about followerrs of Islam converting to be followers of Christ. Try and explain that away of you can.   



        Many books have been written trying to "kill" Jesus. Many lies have been formulated against Him, but He still lives no matter what they say or do.



        The word dogma is thrown around a lot in these forums. It is used to try and make believers look bad. It in fact means to adhere to strict principles. I am dogmatic in how I view the Bible as being the Word of God, whether you believe it or not. I could say that you are dogmatic about you view the same Word of God. You are against it.

    7. ionerice profile image60
      ionericeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      According to the words of Yeshua no one can come to him unless they are brought by his father, God.  Therefore it matters not how you minister to others, if it’s not Gods will for them to come to Yeshua, they won’t come and you are just wasting your time.

  2. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    here we go again... sad

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sigh.... yes !! sad

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey thats the best looking pic of you Ive seen !

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    Hopefully my deeds speak of who influences my heart.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      and that is all- Important to you and no one else. If some 'believers' would understand that,it wouuld be easier to understand them.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well said as usual!

    2. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's where it counts the most.

  4. yolanda yvette profile image59
    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago

    I agree, sneakorocksolid.

  5. Jerami profile image79
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    an unbeliever that does not want to believe does not hear.
    Ya gotta show him/her something he wants to have.   and if he/her caint see anything that they wants ta have; whos fault is that.
    And if they are listening to their heart???   Who is to say who is closest to what counts???  But I Dont know nothing except what I see.

    1. Marisa Wright profile image93
      Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Very true.  You will never convert an unbeliever by telling them what they should believe.  You have to show them the benefits of living a Christian life, and they can only do that by watching your behaviour.  That's why "witnessing" on these forums is a complete waste of time.

      1. Margie01 profile image60
        Margie01posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Do you think that sharing life experiences can help others?

        1. Jerami profile image79
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            sure do.  but when they start rolling their eyes we might shorten the story. I do that all the time when I'm telling the wife how My day went.

          1. Margie01 profile image60
            Margie01posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            LOL; good one..

          2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol I do that do when hubby hits the repeat version..hehe

        2. Marisa Wright profile image93
          Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No not really, because when a Christian shares life experiences, the listener doesn't know whether they're being truthful, or whether they're being impartial, or whether their beliefs are influencing their interpretation of the facts.

        3. yolanda yvette profile image59
          yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          They sure can.

      2. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Marisa Wright, I agree with that.

        1. yolanda yvette profile image59
          yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That is, I agree with the first part of your comment where you say 'you will never convert an unbeliever by telling them what they should believe.'

          But the very last line of your statement, I disagree with.  I believe that some have come to the saving grace of God through these knids of forums, therefore it is not a waste to witness here.

      3. LondonGirl profile image92
        LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Too true. They will probably go home and moan to the wife / parents / flatmates that some bible-basher was in their face all day.

      4. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Witnessing is never a waste of time.  It's a matter of how you go about it.

  6. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I find that un believers often have an extensive knowledge of religion, I do not see the same open mindedness in many religionists. Quoting scripture to deny science they have never read in many cases. smile

    1. Margie01 profile image60
      Margie01posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I believe science and religion are all intertwined.

      1. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Science and religion are intertwined, whether people believe it or not.

    2. sooner than later profile image60
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not sure that is the case at all. I know many "religionists" who don't have extensive religious knowledge. They are the most dangerous to the "cause" because they are ignorant. Now, un believers as you put it- usually have enough knowledge to argue against the most "absurd" books(Genesis, Exidus and so on). but then, un believers dismiss scientific and archeoligical discoveries that support the biblical "fairy tales". Thats why a believer should be scripturally literate.

    3. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is presumptous to say that unbelievers often have an extensive knowledge of religion.  Believers do not necessarily have an extensive knowledge of religion.  Some do.  Perhaps, many.  And the reason they probably do is because they are SEEKING for TRUTH.  But in all their seeking, they are not finding.  It is in Jesus alone that we find Truth.

      And anyone can be closed-minded.  Religious or not. But when a Christian is truly convinced that God's Word is the highest authority over everything, and when he/she refuses to be swayed in any other direction, that does not mean they are closed-minded.  They have simply accepted THE TRUTH.

      1. UpHisAss profile image61
        UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile

        Very well said. I like this. Good job. They are not closed-minded - they are RIGHT.

        Well done. This should persuade a few over to MY church. Thank you.

        1. atomswifey profile image68
          atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Mark why incognito?

        2. yolanda yvette profile image59
          yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No one is right except God.  The God of Heaven, I mean, not your god.

          1. atomswifey profile image68
            atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            These are the ones who come in here with no other reason than to be rude
            They are not looking for any answers or discussion just to argue like little kids

            1. yolanda yvette profile image59
              yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Amen.

          2. UpHisAss profile image61
            UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            big_smile

      2. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No it means they have been indoctrinated.
        No one is going to believe based on the contents of that book from reading it alone! It is a total nonsense to take the bible literally in any way! smile

        1. atomswifey profile image68
          atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          is that you answering the question of the topic earnest? You really interested in Christian witnessing?

        2. yolanda yvette profile image59
          yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No, it is total nonsense to not take the Bible literal.  Man in his own wisdom is actually foolish when He denies The True God exists.  Get it?

          1. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No I do not "get it" The biblical nonsense is easy to see once you are no longer a part of it. smile

        3. Robin Layne profile image80
          Robin Layneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I did. That was how I became a Christian, by reading the Bible on my own, between the ages of 8 and 12. I knew I was a believer before I ever stepped into a church. The church helped support me by letting me be the me that God had made me. And I even had parents who told me not to take the Bible literally. The Bible drew me with a power I felt was like magic. It still does. I know it doesn't affect everyone this way, but I get so much out of it I gladly read it almost every day.

          1. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Without a chrisian family? Without any influences? I doubt it. No child of that age should be indoctrinated, and I just know you were. Where did the bible come from that you read for example? smile

            1. Robin Layne profile image80
              Robin Layneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You can doubt if you want, but I know my own life. My family were not Christians, they were followers of Edgar Cayce the psychic. There were a couple Bibles in the house. One day when I was having a "temper tantrum," my mother picked one of them up in desperation and said, "Here. Read it. Just read it. Open it up to any page." Shocked out of my fit, I opened it. It was somebody's geneology. But after that, I began reading it whenever I was upset, and found that it comforted me in a way my family could not do. I gradually fell in love with God. It led me not toward the beliefs of the mother who had suggested I read it that one time, but away from them. I came to trust the Bible based on what I read in it, against the outside influences of my family. No Christian witnessed to me (it occurs to me that may be one reason I have such trouble witnessing to others; I never experienced being a "witnessee").
              When I finally did begin attending a church on my own, it was my trust in the Bible that led me to accept the idea that Jesus is the only way to God, a belief very different from my family's to this day, but very clear in the Word of God. One night at church, the organist showed me scripture after scripture that made that clear. If it hadn't been in the scriptures, I would not have believed it. That was when I decided to be baptized, separating myself from my family's religion entirely. I had heard that it was at the point of baptism that people in non-Christian countries begin to be persecuted. The line was drawn in the sand. I went into the water to confirm whose side I was on. And yes, my family did persecute me, mostly my brother. It wasn't easy, especially in those old days. But it was always worth it. It was pure joy following Christ in the beginning. I've been through very hard times on and off since then (I'm 49 now), and even one falling away from the faith, but God has never let go of me. He was patient with me and brought me back when I didn't know how to trust or what to believe anymore.
              When God uses people to influence them toward Christ, ideally it's not indoctrination (anthough there's nothing wrong with doctrine; it's just a set of beliefs, but unfortunately people argue over it 'till the cows come home) but compassion and support. That was one thing God used to get me out of that pit. And it was a sad, horrible pit to be in. I partly know why it happened, and I feel more secure knowing He will not abandon me even if I abandon Him.

  7. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Thanks Kiwi smile

    1. LondonGirl profile image92
      LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Agree, very nice! All twinkly round the eyes.

      1. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Amanda smile

  8. Jerami profile image79
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I gotta see a boat before I'm  goina jumb off the dock at it with suitcase in hand. When I squint my eyes and tilt my head just right I can see it through the fog of religiousity. I'm goina go for it, might as well I hear angry indians coming.

    1. Margie01 profile image60
      Margie01posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So i'm confused.  We all live our days with Faith; we believe we are going to breath the air that sustains our lives...we can't see the air but we know it's there...

      1. Jerami profile image79
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I was talking about making that jump of faith when we are not quite sure. THEN maybe we should squint our eyes and turn our neck in whatever direction that might help.  And if ya hear the angry indians might as well go for it.  If you see the boat ya don't have to squint.

      2. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well said.

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The 11th hour is a gamble smile

      1. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So is every day lived without Christ.

  9. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Depends how you mean witnessing?

    But in answer to your OP ,No I dont find it hard.

    And Ive had many humorous situations too.

    Most recent one, was when we first arrived in the states we stayed for a few days at this Economy Lodge ,huge place , 6 floors , many rooms. Anyway it was the night of the Superbowl, and I ran next door to get some food from Macdonalds, this pretty girl looked cold n hungry and we got talking.
    She was from Chicago so I gabbled asking her about all kinds of things ,from isnt that where Pres. Obama is  from ?,what made you come South and hey ya wanna come get a burger with me?.
    She said I sounded cute (accent thing) and something about me being a trip, dunno think that meant I was ok ,anyway we ate walkin back and then I said , My hubbies hometeam the Pittsburgh Steelers are playing, so I better get back inside.
    Come on in, management wont know you aint staying here.

    She said man , you know Im a hooker right ? No lol
    I just saw you cold n hungry ...

    Thats it for me really, ok I was naive but Charlene was lovely and it cost me $2, and a weird look from the man on the door ,but if Charlene ever thinks of me , I think she would just remember a stranger that was kind to her..and if that gives her comfort that to me is 'witness' smile

    1. A_to_J profile image59
      A_to_Jposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      can I ask you something eagle?
      Can an unbeliever do a good deed?
      earnest doesn't believe from what I can tell and yet he said he has been lucky in life to have done such a thing.

      How is that a witness for God then?
      Showing our kindness, being thoughtful, loving, having compassion are not traits that only believers have. So what then set you apart from anyone else or your beliefs apart from that of lets say earnest? Where did God or his son come into that good deed?

      Jesus himself said "it is better to cut your hand off if it causes you to sin, or pluck out your eye as it is better for a man to enter heaven with one eye or hand as to enter hell with both." Was he not being a loving or caring witness for himself when he said that?

      I do not get where your actual witness came into that example you gave is all. Who is it that you were witnessing for? I guess is my real question. Even though I think you answered it at the end by saying "I think she would just remember a stranger that was kind to her.."

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes an unbeleiver can do good ,and they do ,everyday

        I look at it this way
        A believer by his (new) nature cannot help be a witness.
        My act of kindness is a witness to the one who enables me to be kind.
        I give him credit, not myself ,so the glory is His.
        If on the other hand I did not give God cedit, my actions would still be one of kindness and one of the attributes of Christ, whether I beleived it was or not.

        One person sows, another gathers smile but every act is relevant.
        And every circumstance is different.

        For example my 18 yr old son is very direct ( as 18 yr olds tend to be) and challenges me often on Christianity , Socialism, Capitilsm and more recently Communisim.

        I dont have all the answers ,but part of being a good witness is allowing people to think for themselves, and form their own choices in life.

        One day my witness to him will be remembered, and the next person to walk into his life will have some other quality to pass onto him.

        Look at it from the other perspective , if from day one you had over-controlling parents , maybe strict and closed-minded and insisted that everything  you listened too, viewed , taught at school would be heavily controlled , then throw into that family dysfunction , the witness has been pretty well screwed , right? 2,5,10, yrs down the track , the first person you hear tell you , God is Love , well I know what Id say ,and it wouldnt be oh wow thankyou!....

        1. A_to_J profile image59
          A_to_Jposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I understand about choices and please do not misunderstand me, I was not criticizing you or anything.
          You told the story and illustrated what went on in conversation.

          So I guess, I must have missed something.
          In that you said, she asked you if you knew she was a hooker. You said, she just looked hungry and cold.
          Did I miss where you explained to her about God and it was because He is in your life that you did what you did?
          In other words, I didn't see where you talked to her about God at all, maybe you did, I just didn't get that from what you said, you never mentioned him when recanting your story.

          so again, forgive my confusion about it. But I will say, giving God the glory about you being kind and loving through an action or good deed afterwards in prayer or thought to God is not the same thing as giving God the glory to them when they ask why you are doing the good deed. If you get my point there.

          Again, maybe I am missing something or more to your story about all of that and if I am I apologize. I just am a curious person who thinks things through and observes details like that.

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No you didnt miss anything and the best thing is neither did God wink
            Witnessing to me is not just words, and on that occassion no I did not verbally say Im doing this because God enabled me too.
            But thats what I meant when I explained the parable of the sower. In that instance Charlene needed food ( and maybe just a friend with genuine benefits) lol, Gods word became 'action',but like I said every situation is different.
            I dont consciously plan out how to actively evangelise ,wouldnt feel natural for me at all.

            I am glad you are a thinker ,nice to meet you smile

            1. A_to_J profile image59
              A_to_Jposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              nice to meet you too smile

              yes I get your point, I guess I just tend to question that, what if that was the last conversation Charlene had with anyone?
              Her last chance or opportunity to hear about Christ.
              Thats why I think it is important to share the message. God provided the opportunity, he laid it on your heart to buy her the hamburger. He put the two of you in the right place and under the right circumstances to have that conversation.
              You felt comfortable enough to have a "worldly conversation" with her, but not one about Christ or salvation. Thats what I mean.

              And again, this is not meant to hurt your feelings about it or convict you of anything. It is just meant to point out what I believe in witnessing, and why I feel it is important to share the message. You can share it any number of ways without making someone feel bad or worse about themselves. It can be shared through sharing your personal experience etc.
              But it is important to share the message don't you think?

              If you feel peace in your spirit about it all, fine. And again, I am not condemning your actions or your beliefs on it. Just sharing with you and others what I believe. smile

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    I don't preach but the offers on the table to help someone if I can. I will take off the gloves and go after someone I think is being abusive to a believer thats trying to make an effort but doesn't know the audience. Some believers are so sure, in a nice way, that they just might find the point that makes the difference.

  11. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    As a non believer, I applaud you. That is the sort of "witnessing" I enjoy hearing about.
    I have done the same at every opportunity in my lucky life, I just like doing it, as I see it that is enough reason. smile

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks Earnest , and I do acknowlege that good people do good things no matter what their veiws are on God wink

      1. VioletSun profile image68
        VioletSunposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ditto to what Earnest said! Reading your post made my heart open. smile

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That is a loving thing to say! You know what I mean don't you?

          I am the fool who stops and helps everyone I see who needs it. Done it all my life. I have copped more flack than you would believe from some for being like I am, but I have never considered changing. My life is always good, why spoil it by becoming selfish. smile
          Those who stand by and do not help usually offer attitude instead. smile

          1. VioletSun profile image68
            VioletSunposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, I do understand exactly where you are coming from, so enjoy your posts.  My mate gets a lot of flack for not being into religion, or made up stories about spirituality, as he is very direct, lol, and yet he is a kind and spiritual man.

            1. earnestshub profile image89
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It is the spirit that counts I think. Your man sounds like someone who deserves you! smile

  12. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Jerami lol what a lovely analogy you gave.

    But God doesnt want you to make any decision out of fear, but with a sound mind.

    He is patient and loving , he will wait wink til you understand.

    1. Margie01 profile image60
      Margie01posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      God has given us today; we are not promised tomorrow and I think he is looking for us to make our decisions sooner than later.

      Waiting my be to late; besides what are people waiting for?  Are they afraid they can't have "fun" if they turn their lives over to him?

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No but my point was God is patient and understanding ( remembers that we are dust)
        To love out of fear is not love at all.

      2. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No, the reason is simple. Many see no evidence of a god, and do not believe in one. smile
        They do not need "enlightenment" from a god to live a happy and full life. smile

        1. yolanda yvette profile image59
          yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Without God as the head in one's life, there can be no true happiness and there will be no full life.  Life is in Him.  Man was created by Him, in His image.  He has a plan for every man's life.  He created man for relationship with Himself first and foremost.  And He has given to everyone a call upon the earth.  If you are living outside of fellowship with God, thus outside of His will for your life, how can you really know what it is to LIVE?

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              So you are saying that I can't find true happiness? And that i don't know what life is ? yikes I find your words really offensive. And I think you don't know nothing about life. If you did, you would know that there is LIFE out there, and It's not necessary to believe in God to be a happy person. You are very short minded, and that's a pitty! It's imppossible to debate with you when your mind is closed to knowledge sad

            1. UpHisAss profile image61
              UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              This one does not have a closed mind. Merely the TRUTH. And you are not really ALIVE unless you believe what we believe. She is another one working for me and does not know it.

              Keep going jolanda - eventually you will get it across that you are not closed-minded - you are just RIGHT.

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol So I'm dead ? well good for me ! I don't have to worry about it then. And I'm eternal ,as I've just entered eternity. thank you for opening my eyes ! big_smile

      3. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        People want to keep living life their own way.  They know they will have to give up things.  We all know what things are in our lives, at least for the most part, that are not right.  It is easier to say 'I don't believe in God', rather than have to face the possibilty of not being able to do whatever we want.

        The Bible makes it clear that every person, through God's creation, knows that He exists.  But they do not want to relinquish sin.

        1. blue dog profile image80
          blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          would the three women in the "men's club only" thread be considered sin or love?

      4. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No tomorrow is promised to no one.  We have to choose today who we will serve.  Tomorrow may come, but maybe not for you.

  13. Jerami profile image79
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    when I spank my grand kids to get them to give me a kiss, It just don't feel the same

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why ya gotta spank them?

      1. Jerami profile image79
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Just kidding
        I don't    never needed to    they are good kids

    2. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      In business they say just build it and they will come.

      With children .. If ya just love them they will sit next to ya if they want to

  14. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I have not seen many "non believers" who are concerned with the biblical historical archeology one way or the other.

    1. sooner than later profile image60
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you mean they are non biased or they do not concern themselves with extraordinary evidence?

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Extraordinary evidence ? yikes  Where ?

        1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
          quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You are suppose to be talking about your witnessing tantrum.

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            what whitnessing ? I've never been on trial ! lol

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
              Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Oh thats an awesome idea -Mock court in the Forums lol

        2. sooner than later profile image60
          sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I like you Tantrum, you bait a little, you jab here and there... but you did look up my Jesuit Oath(scary btw). So, I am going to trust that you will look these two up.

          1. A Mr. Wyatt found and filmed egyptian chariot wheels in the red sea.
          2. Walter Veith(professor) photographed hieroglyphs 7 fat and 7 skinny cows in egypt.

          I have more, but that is very interesting.

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            O.K. I will look that up .just give 20 min. I'm in the middle of something just now. I'll come back later smile

            1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
              quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              He is witnessing to the JW's at his door. lol lol big_smile

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No JW at my door. Only HF lol lol

            2. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              1- charriot wheels- So ? egyptcians had an army and they use charriots. Doesn't mean there was an exodus. It means there was a war, maybe.
              2- Professor Walter Veith. R U joking ?? He's an adventist. I don't believe in fanatics. I couldn't find anything about the cows. Anyway I wouldn't believe it.

                Bible < Symbols, legends, analogies. First written in aramee, then in greek, then in latin, then in other languages as english, german spanish, etc.
              In different ages, translated to fit the Church, or the Pope. If you read The torah and the Bible you'll see a lot of differences between them.  So I don't believe. Anyway I think Revelations is a masterpiece. I like it very much!

              1. sooner than later profile image60
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I like revelations very much as well.
                I know the egyptians had chariots- they weren't having a water fight? Now the same wheels are all the way over on the other side of the sea. As discovered by Saudi's after mr wyatts discovery. this is incredible evidence of exidus, and so are many egyptian accounts that you won't find posted in National Geographic.

                At least you looked it up.

          2. Make  Money profile image71
            Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Someone mentioned that it is harder to witness to believers than to non-believers, which I am starting to understand.  You might want to read this sooner than later.
            http://www.geocities.com/okc_catholic/a … _oath.html

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I read that already. I'm fed up with this kind of crap.

              1. Make  Money profile image71
                Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah so am I tantrum.  I see stuff like this just about on a daily basis.

              2. quietnessandtrust profile image60
                quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I hate font size 1.3579....sheeeeesh mad

  15. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    When someone tells you they see GOD in you...you have been a witness.

    Being one in word and deed is a true test. smile

  16. yolanda yvette profile image59
    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago

    Good answer.

  17. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    To what???

  18. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    @sooner than later

    Crossing the Red Sea there were other tribes that had charriots as well. That's not evidence.
    And what about the 'Professor'?? nothing to say?
    You don't have any evidence. Only that Egyptians existed in the area as well as other semitic tribes.

    1. sooner than later profile image60
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know if you are suggesting the chariots are an example of ship wrecks or what? They are in the sea, and they are egyptian.

      the professor and I are good friends. I have alot of things to say about him.

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You can begin then.

        About the charriots being in the sea. Lots of things are in all the seas.Things move, sometimes due to earthquakes for example. Time also move things.

  19. Make  Money profile image71
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    It's not about the font size, at least not with me.

  20. A_to_J profile image59
    A_to_Jposted 7 years ago

    I think there are many ways we witness and share Gods love. But there is a big difference in showing how we love others and showing how God loves others.

    The important one I think above our own, though through it, is to show how God loves. smile

    1. 0
      Scott.Lifeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wow I actually almost agree with you on something. Actually I agree with you alot on the end goal that is, maybe not the methods though. When are you going to gather all this up in a hub for people to read?

      1. A_to_J profile image59
        A_to_Jposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I will and have been so completely tied up with work, and these forums! LOL

        I am addicted smile

        But I have been working on one should be ready soon. and thank you scott for this. Love ya man ((tear))
        lol

        1. 0
          Scott.Lifeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The Forums are addictive...and hurting my writing, think I'll need to detox for a few days.

          1. A_to_J profile image59
            A_to_Jposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            LOL I second that

            ** hello, my name is ________ and I am a forum addict...And the crowd says hello ________ and welcome**
            LOL

  21. Sanctus Vesania profile image60
    Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago

    Define witnessing.  Evangelism is, from what I've learned, not my strongest spiritual gift (it's somewhere in the middle.)  Usually when I talk to my friends about it, I make sure that 1.  They want to hear about, and 2.  I talk about the Godhead's impact on my life.

    I never witness to people by telling them how if they accept Christ, they'll be happy; flowers will grow, bunnies will hop, and everyone will join hands and sing Kumbaya.

    1. A_to_J profile image59
      A_to_Jposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Amen to this!
      God never said we would live a problem free life. Look at what the disciples went through!
      All of them were killed because of their witness and testimony about Jesus. Most had nothing to live on except faith. MOst were ridiculed and mocked forced out of towns. God provided for them, but most lived very modestly, some went without eating for lack of food etc. I would call those problems.

      I think in witnessing for God we need to share the most important message there is, that Christ, God loved them so very much he died for their sins, he made a way for all of us to live with him for all of eternity.
      Wrapped up in perfect blanket of love for all of eternity. How great is that?!! And how much of a greater witness is that to share with anyone?

      **Getting down off that soap box again**
      says to the crowd,.. "but its true!" lol
      smile love ya!

      1. UpHisAss profile image61
        UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes . Hypocritical though it may be, the honest believer in Satan will win out over the false witnessing to those who are not interested in your self aggrandizing and false witnessing. They can tell and feel the difference.

        Thank you so much.

        Love ya????????????

  22. Uninvited Writer profile image85
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    My oldest sister is a Jehovah's Witness. She does live in Scotland so I very rarely see her. Thankfully, she never discusses religion with any of us...

    1. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My brother inlaw is a JW, he never shuts up about it! smile

      1. LondonGirl profile image92
        LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        How very tedious!

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It is very tedious. He knows my beliefs, (which I never mention,) yet he continues to do his "witnessing" to me on the phone even!
          He has divided a once very close sibling away from the family. No one wants to visit my sister any more.

          1. LondonGirl profile image92
            LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Is she a JW, too?

            1. earnestshub profile image89
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Not noticeably, she keeps her thoughts on religion to herself, but she is not happy with his constant references to it.
              They have been pretty happily married for 40 years, the last few with this religious belief causing separation from some of the family.
              My sister is the type who will not divorce, she is trying to build a life of her own. .... again! smile

  23. yolanda yvette profile image59
    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago

    satan has people blinded to THE TRUTH.  Bottom line.

  24. Jerami profile image79
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    and the dragon cast out of his mouth a flood of water (LIES) and the earth swallowed it up

  25. yolanda yvette profile image59
    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago

    Right on, Jerami.

  26. Lisa HW profile image83
    Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

    I don't "witness" anything to anyone, and I'm not having anyone else "witnessing" anything to me.  lol  (and my remark does not necessarily mean that I'm a non-believer).

    1. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This forum question pertains to that of the Christian witnessing to non-Christians.  That is what I meant by the question I posted.  I'm not referring to JW's or any kind of religious group or anything pertaining to any other religion.

      And witnessing to someone is not always done by knocking on doors or even talking about God, i.e., Jesus (for those who need specifics).  We witness to the world through our liefstyles, which won't be perfect, but will reflect Christ if we really belong to Him.

      1. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        By the way, Lisa HW, if Jesus is not your Saviour, you are a non-believer.  Just thought I'd clarify that for you.

  27. starme77 profile image86
    starme77posted 7 years ago

    I'm not a "Christian" I call myself a non demonational person - but I have God and he is all I need - that is how I witness to people

    1. starme77 profile image86
      starme77posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Not difficult for me at all - I enjoy telling people to talk to God

      1. LondonGirl profile image92
        LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Do people enjoy being told?

      2. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Which God are you telling people to talk to?

    2. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If you are not a Christian, you do not have God.  At least, not The God who is Father to Jesus.  And He is the only God I was referring to when I posted the question, "Is witnessing to unbelievers difficult for you?  Or not?"

  28. Michael Willis profile image77
    Michael Willisposted 7 years ago

    I try my best to allow unbelievers and even believers see who I am by my daily living. Allow them to see my actions.
    Allow them to be able to believe what I may say/share in words or by my life that they can believe in God and His word. If I am truly showing God in all aspects of my life, then a witness is already there. I do not have to "tell" someone...God is "allowed" to use me for His purpose.
    To witness for God is made harder by not being true to the one you are witnessing about. Remember...it is about Him, not you.

    1. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Good points.

  29. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    If it is lawful in a society to have many wives, the man had better treat them as wives and love them and cherish them and support them all the same or he is no man at all.

    1. blue dog profile image80
      blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i asked whether they would be considered sin or love, not whether it was lawful.  or not.

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It should be considered a 'swing'

      2. quietnessandtrust profile image60
        quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Women are not "for the taking"...you must marry them or it is wrong.

  30. atomswifey profile image68
    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago

    Marisa wrote : Very true.  You will never convert an unbeliever by telling them what they should believe.  You have to show them the benefits of living a Christian life, and they can only do that by watching your behaviour.  That's why "witnessing" on these forums is a complete waste of time.


    You do not convert an unbeliever by allowing them to see how "perfect" your imperfect life is.

    What are the "benefits" of living a christian life?
    Are we happy all the time?
    Do we never have problems?

    There are two problems I see with witnessing only through them "seeing" the example of our lives.
    1) is you are not demonstrating the true importance of believing in Christ. You are not sharing WHY they need Christ. They do not need Christ so that all their problems go away. They need Christ for the redemption of their sin.
    Why did Jesus do what He did? Why did He suffer so much pain and agony? So that we could reap the benefits of living a great Christian life here on earth? no right? He did all that so that we could be saved. Because he loved us so much He wanted for us to live with Him forever!
       Did the disciples live a care free life here on earth? No, they would sometimes go days without eating, giving away their earthly possessions and witnessing they lived rather modestly to say the least. And were under constant persecution. How did they die? They were martyred. Not such great "benefits" there right?

    How many witnesses (missionaries) are martyred and persecuted even today for their witness? Not at all the great benefits at least in terms of earthly benefits for them either. How many of us are persecuted and mocked? Again not such a great way to live all the time.

    Jesus said, "I come not into this world to bring peace but a sword." Why did He say that? Because He knew as people witnessed for him, gave their lives to Him they would be persecuted. Thus bringing division and the need for the sword (the word of God).

    and

    2). Not all we witness to are going to "see" our lives and how we live them.
    We are to spread the gospel to everyone.
    If this makes someone feel uncomfortable I would ask that someone then to search their heart and seek God as to why it does.
    We should not be ashamed of our faith. Not be ashamed of the gospel.

    Now this doesn't mean we go out and tell people they are dying and going to hell. We let the Word of God do its job and let the spirit of God move to illustrate the importance of salvation. We can as well tell of our own personal salvation story.

    And thats what I believe anyway. smile But if anyone has a question on HOW we are to witness I would direct them to the Word. Look at how Jesus taught, look at how the disciples witnessed after Jesus. Some good "examples" I think there and much better ones than our own lives.

  31. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I can think of hundreds of reasons for you to be ashamed of your beliefs. smile

  32. yolanda yvette profile image59
    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago

    Ashamed?

    1. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes ashamed. Ashamed of the narrow minded exclusive belief she has espoused here. It has alienated all but the fundamentalist. smile

      1. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        SHE didn't make the rules.  The God that you deny made the rules.

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          OK then she should be ashamed to state rules from a discredited source that no two religionists can agree on anyway.

          From one book you take hundreds of religions, yet you are all right, and prepared to fight each other over it.
          You don't need any help to make the whole thing look as dumb as it is. smile

          1. yolanda yvette profile image59
            yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          2. yolanda yvette profile image59
            yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            All I know is this, the fool has said in his heart that God does not exist.  How can you prove that God(Jesue) does not exist?  You cannot.  You will not.  I don't care how much you babble.

            1. earnestshub profile image89
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No need to babble, I'll leave that to you. There is now and has been for some time sufficient evidence to place religion where it belongs. Mythology. smile

              1. yolanda yvette profile image59
                yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this
            2. quietnessandtrust profile image60
              quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Why continue to reply to him then? Show some wisdom and ignore him.

              1. yolanda yvette profile image59
                yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Why are you replying to me?  Show some wisdom.

                1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
                  quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Proverbs 23:9
                  Don't waste your breath on fools, for they will despise the wisest advice.

                  I took the advise from that verse.

                  1. yolanda yvette profile image59
                    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I understand.  Sorry for my comment.  It's just that I got tired of keeping quiet.  So I started expressing my thoughts.

              2. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Where isthe wisdom ? yikes I don't see any  from those replies big_smile

  33. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Swinging missionaries. Now there's a novel concept big_smile.
    Might have better luck with some of the more recalcitrant sinners, eh?

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hell of swinging parties among them, I'm sure ! big_smile

      1. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh God, look who entered the room.  I thought you were tired of this subject?

  34. sannyasinman profile image83
    sannyasinmanposted 7 years ago

    One of the most serious difficulties that human beings have to deal with is righteousness. Wanting to be "right" has been the cause of more death and bloodshed over the centuries than almost anything else. By wanting to "witness" and "save" others you are ipso facto taking a righteous stance.
    Can't you just leave everyone else alone? You believe whatever you want, and leave others to do the same.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Impossible when a christian is an addict to copy and pasting Bible quotes

      1. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well, how about you.  You seem to be addicted to getting in on forums designed for Christians so you can put 'em down.

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If I can put someone down it's because he/ she lets me.  Don't pay attention to me. Just go your way.

          1. yolanda yvette profile image59
            yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I don't even know why you are here.  I posted this question to people who are Christians (who have accepted Christ as their Saviour).  Those are the people I asked about witnessing to unbelievers (those who are not Christians).  Not people who want to sit here and debate about this religion or that.  Who cares.  If the question does not pertain to you, why contribute with comments no one asked you for.

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              because this is a free forum and I do as I like. and I like to comment wether you like it or not.

            2. blue dog profile image80
              blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              then put a lock on the front gate.

    2. atomswifey profile image68
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is Christs love for you that we are in this world as witnesses. If you personally wish to be left alone about it, that's cool. It is your choice.

      But there is more than just you on this forum reading. smile

    3. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Because a Christian wants to witness of the saving grace of Christ doesn't mean that that person is wanting to be "right", nor trying to be right, nor that they are thinking they are more righteous than the next person. 

      But when you know the truth for yourself, you can't help but share it.  Even at the expense of being misunderstood, ridiculed and rejected. Or worse. 

      And I, personally, do not attempt to sway any one to believe on Jesus, as I do.  When and if the opportunity presents itself for me to share Gospel, I do so.  And I will continue to do so.  And what the next person does with the information is totally up to them.

      And if you wanted to be left alone, you should've never made your way into this forum.

      1. LondonGirl profile image92
        LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Those sentences appear mutually contradictory, to me.

        1. yolanda yvette profile image59
          yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sounds like a personal problem to me.

          1. LondonGirl profile image92
            LondonGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It quite possibly is a personal problem for you. BUt the two sentences don't make sense together, there appears to be a logic error.

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              they're quite contradictory big_smile

              1. yolanda yvette profile image59
                yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You make me laugh.

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Glad to make you laugh big_smile

                  But don't you think this is contradictory ?

                  'And I, personally, do not attempt to sway any one to believe on Jesus, as I do.  When and if the opportunity presents itself for me to share Gospel, I do so'
                  yikes  Pleaseeee!!! lol

                  1. yolanda yvette profile image59
                    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    What is contradictory about it?

      2. sannyasinman profile image83
        sannyasinmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The problem is that you don’t stop at simply professing your faith. I have been approached in restaurants, in the street, and many times at my door by Jehovah's Witnesses whose sole interest is in "saving" me by converting me.

        I don't need saving or converting. I am quite capable of finding my own path and having my own relationship with God.

        This is what I meant by "leaving me alone". I have tried (and I continue to do so, thus my participation here) to make witnessers understand this. I don't need you or anyone else to "save" me. Nor do I feel the need to stop people in the street and try to persuade them that my way is the only way, as you do.

        My point is that each and every individual is quite capable of having their own, personal relationship with God. We no longer need religion (or its protocols) or religious figureheads and gurus. The path that each person chooses to follow, to lead them to God in immaterial. All that matters is that the person finds GOD.

        Times have changed and more and more people are beginning to understand this. As you well know, if you open your heart to God HE will not refuse you.

        In closing, you might ask if I am a believer. No, I am not a believer. I am a knower.

  35. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Um, this is the Region Forum -- nowhere does it state that it is explicitly for Christians. But if the Christians among us want to have their own Forum so they can witness to each other, suggest it to HP Admin. They'll probably accommodate you.
    Meanwhile, this thread -- like all of our Forum threads -- is open for dissent.

    1. atomswifey profile image68
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol look above
      religion & beliefs/christianity
      Like yolanda said the question itself is directed at Christians, those that witness. How can anyone who does not witness, is not a christian, have an opinion on witnessing and or how difficult it is? LOL

      1. yolanda yvette profile image59
        yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this
        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly a free forum. It can be a christian topic , but anyone can post here or in any other thread. And as I said, if you don't like my posts, ignore them !!!!

          1. yolanda yvette profile image59
            yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You're right.  I just don't understand the hostility towards those who follow Christ and His teachings and why it is necessary to belittle those who believe.  I am not opposing any one's religion or non-religion.  I simply wanted to see where believers stood on the topic of witnessing to others. It has turned into anything but that, but that's just the way it is.

            But seriously, I believe that deep down inside You want to know Jesus as Your Saviour.  I don't think you visit these kinds of forums just to poke fun.

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Look . I'm not arguing with you. and I don't want to know Jesus. O K ? A lot of christians are my fans. and you know why? Because they're intelligent enough as to understand that my jokes are only jokes . and they know I'm a spiritual person in my own way, cause they've read my hubs.

              1. yolanda yvette profile image59
                yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Fine.  No hard feelings.  I guess I haven't been around here long enough to understand that you're joking.  We can move on from that now.  (I have a headache)

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Very convenient !
                  That sounds like women when they don't want to have sex big_smile
                  (the headache I mean lol )

                  1. yolanda yvette profile image59
                    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You are still joking, right?  (Smiling)

            2. blue dog profile image80
              blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              please explain how simply wanting to see where believers stood on the topic of witnessing to others translates into believing that deep down inside someone such as myself would want to know jesus as a savior.

              1. atomswifey profile image68
                atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I guess its because just as you are most of us were. Not all of us were born into a christian home or environment.
                Some of us were unbelievers who came to know Christ through someones witness. And much like you we were seeking through all sorts of avenues. Some of us not even realizing we were seeking at the time. smile

                1. blue dog profile image80
                  blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  it's a safe bet to say that when one reaches a certain age the seeking for a god ceases to occur.    you still don't see that this "you are" and "us were" comparison is the very hypocrisy that, in addition to leaving a foul taste in our mouths, is making the religious right out to be what they truly are. 

                  your god, as i've previously posted, is upstairs in a cold dark room.  and as the song continues, if he did create your world in seven days, then "ever since he's been a walking away."

                  i don't believe you ever responded to the link i posted regarding the deformed iraqi babies.  some god.

                  1. atomswifey profile image68
                    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I did and I am sorry you didn't get the chance to read it.
                    My God is loving and kind and did not place those deformities on those babies.
                    The sins of this dying world did.
                    Sin brought with it all sorts of evil, pain, sorrow.
                    Adam had the choice of two trees in that garden. One of knowledge the other life eternal without pain, suffering, sorrow evil, without sin.
                    Man chose knowledge. He chose to lust after it. To disobey God and rebel. Sin came to be in this world through that act, that choice.
                    God loved man so much that He gave His Son as a sacrifice so that once again, man could make a choice between life and death. between sin and being with Him eternally. Away from all the horrors of this life. Away from all the horrific scenes we witness as a result of sin in this world. That is love my friend. And yes, it is some God to love that way, to forgive that way.

                    I am not going to get into a long debate with you about this. I am not arguing with you in other words. I am sorry you feel about God the way you do. He is not what you have come to think He is.
                    Aside from this, I think its important for you to know that people have come to the Lord at all ages. My grandmother was in her late 60's when she accepted Christ.

              2. yolanda yvette profile image59
                yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                When I see people who say they don't believe in God constantly visiting Christian forums, what are they looking for?  Great Debate.

                There has to be some interest there.

                1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  One could just as easily say the reverse.  If you are so sure of your faith, why do you feel the need to visit Christian forums?  Deep down inside are you hoping to be converted to atheism?

                  1. atomswifey profile image68
                    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    How would a title like "Christian" invoke one that has atheists coming into it and trying to convert anyone to atheism?

                    I have been to many a chirstian forum and chat rooms where there are lots of people talking about the word of God etc. And have yet to be confronted with an atheist trying to convert me. lol

                    And I still do not get where some here get that its what we are trying to do here. It is true we do witness of our faith, our God when confronted with that sort of adversity, but generally like with this question aimed at Christians who witness, we are not trying to convert only discuss.

                    The Word of God is powerful thats for sure, it has the power to draw people into its truths and leave them wondering soemtimes, still questioning its awesomeness.

                    I still question those who profess Jesus Christ who is the word, And then say they choose to omit it, in other words Him, from their witness.
                    Blows my mind

                  2. yolanda yvette profile image59
                    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I feel no need to visit Christian forums.  But I do feel desire to visit them.  You know the difference, right? 

                    And it is because I am so sure of my faith that I participate in these forums.  My presence here may help someone like you see the light.

              3. yolanda yvette profile image59
                yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I wasn't even talking to you.

            3. Marisa Wright profile image93
              Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yolanda, hasn't it occurred to you that some non-believers find unsolicited preaching objectionable, and participate in these forums because they feel it's important to present the alternative argument?

              I'm not saying you indulge in unsolicited preaching (actually I thought your initial question was perfectly reasonable).

              1. atomswifey profile image68
                atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Marisa?
                Just what is the alternative argument to the question she asked?
                How can an unbeliever or atheist answer the question of how difficult it is to witness to people like themselves in an opposing view of it, if they do not witness themselves?
                If it is difficult, why?
                If it isn't, why?
                can an unbeliever answer these two questions?

                Why then would an atheist want to interrupt the discussion? And you answered that above but I would challenge you to look down the list provided by the hub staff. They have their own forums to vent their objections in, state their beliefs in etc. should be the better way to put it then that they only do so in here to intimidate, ridicule and or mock. Not that they are really contributing much else to the discussion if you read some of their posts. Not all are like this, but some are.

                1. blue dog profile image80
                  blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  if only it were a "discussion."  but it's not.  it's the never-ending sermonizing.  please clarify yourself and call it what it is.

                  1. atomswifey profile image68
                    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Ok, lets say it is a sermon, then just as there are those who opt out of going to church to hear one, can they not then opt out of seeing one delivered here?
                    Not that I want anyone to, because I don't.
                    I like ministering the gospel smile

                2. Marisa Wright profile image93
                  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  If you'd care to look back at the beginning of the thread, you'll see my answer.  I felt it was legitimate to give my view, as one of the people that might be a recipient of witnessing.

                  I thought Yolanda's question was perfectly reasonable and I don't condone the behaviour of any person on this thread - believer or non-believer - who chooses to turn a reasonable question into an excuse for a slanging match.   Or a preaching session. 

                  That includes some people whom I thoroughly respect in other venues!

              2. yolanda yvette profile image59
                yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Some people go out of their way to object to others beliefs.  And that's what I felt at the time.

                When I posted this question, I read every comment made and I only responded to those that were postive.  I did not respond to anything that was negative.  I ignored it.  And that's what I had planned to keep doing.  I lost my cool. 

                And I don't mind people objecting to unsolicited preaching.   My point was, if you don't like what I'm saying why are you here.  If I don't like a question or a post that someone else asked or posted, I just won't participate in it.  I am not in any other forum preaching Jesus.  I am in the forum that allows me to preach Jesus all I want and if someone doesn't like it, just pass on by.  That's all I was trying to say.

                And if you are going t participate, you don't have to be tacky with it.

                1. Marisa Wright profile image93
                  Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yolanda, that's where you and I differ in our interpretation.

                  If you want to preach, write a Hub. That's a great venue for it.  Forums are places to debate and discuss - which means opposing views are acceptable and even encouraged.  They are NOT for preach preaching.  Even religious forums.  And have you ever thought that if only devout Christians took part in the forum, you would be preaching to the converted?

                  I'm sorry if you thought my earlier response was tacky, it wasn't intended to be.  I was just trying to point out the flaw in your logic.

                  1. yolanda yvette profile image59
                    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I have no problem with debating. 

                    I have a problem with being put down because of what I believe.  Don't belittle me, because I wil not belittle you.  Don't call me names.  Don't insult my intelligence, and we can debate all day.  That is The Only point I bring. 

                    Debating is okay if it is done with respect and tact.

      2. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well for one thing there are a lot of ex christians. Secondly there are a lot of people who just do not like ignorant lies being told to vulnerable people and children, so we like to offer a more reasoned less bullying response. smile

        1. yolanda yvette profile image59
          yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          For starters, I question if these 'ex-Christians' you speak of were ever really Christians at all.  Lastly, what kind of 'ignorant lies' are you talking about?  The ones you tell.

          1. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I am definitely an ex Christian, although according to John I am saved ex Christian or not, so you go read that while I find a statement from the bible that disagrees with John OK? smile

            The lies are the stuff you guys dig up from the nonsense written in the bible to support your ridiculous beliefs!

            1. yolanda yvette profile image59
              yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Get off your soapbox, and go read Matthew 10:22

              1. earnestshub profile image89
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                get off yours and go see John. You should know where to look. smile
                Mattew 10.22
                See that's what I mean. More suffering, you poor little Christian you!

                1. yolanda yvette profile image59
                  yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Isn't that what Matt 10:22 says?  And why would you care if you're saved or not, seeing as though you don't believe in the One who saves?

                2. yolanda yvette profile image59
                  yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  By the way, I'm not a poor little Christian.  How can I be when 'greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world?  Hello!

    2. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes this thread is open for dissent, like all the others.  Who said it wasn't?  But is it wrong to want to be repected, as a human being?  Especially when you are respectful of those around you?

      We can agree to disagree without being asinine about it, right?

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think if one is pedaling hate it is reasonable for others to oppose it, especially of it comes from individual interpretations of a 2,000 year old book! smile

  36. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Or show even more wisdom and bugger off like you said you would and take nastyandrust with you! lol

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    SirDentposted 7 years ago

    It is easy to witness. Witnessing is done by actions and speech together. Jesus told the disciples that once they have been endued wioth power from on high, then they would be witness to all the world. They had walked with Jesus for 3.5 years and still could not witness for Him. It takes the Holy Ghost to make a witness for Christ.

    1. atomswifey profile image68
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Amen sister!!! smile

  38. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    Big difference between expressing ones thoughts and answering to another persons mockery.

  39. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Doh. My bad. I apologize. I don't spend a lot of time in the Relgion Forum. Didn't realize there were already these sub genres.

    Still, you can't prevent someone from posting if they want to. It's their right. Even if non-Christian or a non-witnessing Christian.

  40. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    2,000 years of this rubbish from one source. In all that time, not one provable event in support and a mass of evidence against.

    That is too much for any one to believe unless they got this rot hand fed to them! lol

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That speaks of the feeble human mind of some big_smile

  41. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    Mockers and scoffers enjoy it and even say as much, to acknowledge them is to partake in it with them. That is what wisdom teaches. Ignore them and laugh. They are not seeking what you have.

    1. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You're right.  I ignored it yesterday.  Post after post was negative and I just couldn't keep quiet any longer. But from now on I will better know how to conduct myself.  I can only contro my behavior and words, no one else's. 

      I appreciate you.

  42. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    I think the Religion Forum is very similar to the Politics Forum. You have two diammetrically opposed groups (plus a few oddballs thrown in). In Politics, either you're with the conservatives and against the liberals,or vice versa.
    Here, there are also two camps.
    1) Christians who believe it is their Christian duty to spread the gospel so that others may accept Jesus like they did.
    2)Those who disagree with the practice of witnessing. Now these people for the most part are atheists who object to the teachings of Christianity overall. But there are also Christians who maintain faith in Father, Son and Holy Ghost but do not witness.

    You are never, ever going to change anyone's mind "preaching" to them here. It's almost like the harder you try, the less ground you make. Just my observation.

  43. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Tantrum. A spiritual person in your own way -- that's a good way to put it. I will resist making a crack about Satanism:-). MM

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm satanic? yikes  Really ???? Point out my hub where I speak of Satan, please !

  44. Cranoo profile image60
    Cranooposted 7 years ago

    I have been a Catholic ALL my life and i've never seen a Catholic going from house to house etc.

    They know what is expected of them, we have provided thousands of churches in every area they live in, they have no excuses and when they want to come to us and God then we're waiting right here for them every Sunday.

  45. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    LOL. You're not really a devil worshipper (if you are, you hide it well). But my point is, that would still count as a form of "spirituality" wouldn't it?

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes. But it's not my way. even I respect serious satanists. but as I don't believe in God , is evident I don't believe in Satan

    2. atomswifey profile image68
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe in a "worldly view" of that term spirituality.

  46. Lisa HW profile image83
    Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

    I think some people may just check out the religious forum to see if there are any seemingly interesting discussions that they can put their own two cents in on.  Some people are just looking for any type of discussion to kill a little time or take a break.  They don't care what its about.

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 7 years ago

    In my opinion, and as a life long Jehovah's Witness, I know for a fact people absolutely hate being preached to, hate it..... If you have some knowledge to pass on to someone, they have to want it..... None of us can force our opinions on anyone, and have absolutely no right to do that either.

    My belief would be that everything is there, the answers are recorded to all our questions.  Some want them so do not, and what is the problem with that....

    People in  my opinion, and i know this is definately true of me, prefer to see a sermon than to hear one preached..... unless they go somewhere at a certain time to hear that sermon, i.e. church, or some other religious place

    1. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You can witness to someone without preaching.  Our actions witness for us louder than our words.

  48. Marisa Wright profile image93
    Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago

    Great post, Brenda.

  49. LEFT HAND OF GOD profile image60
    LEFT HAND OF GODposted 7 years ago

    Truth is a sword, live like IT and nobody can touch you without being cut.

    1. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Right on!!

      1. atomswifey profile image68
        atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Amen!!!

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    SirDentposted 7 years ago

    Believers should keep preaching and witnessing the gospel of Christ. We never know who may read something here that is not able to post a comment. They also may be afraid to post a comment because of what some  write here.

    If it offends others, so be it. The Word offends the flesh. A person may go through the fire by posting something about Jesus, but it may help one person to overcome one problem in their life.

    1. UpHisAss profile image61
      UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Absolutely. It matters not how many are offended. We should not care for those who are offended. If they are offended by the Word - they matter not. The only sin that is never forgiven is the sin of un-belief. The Word is righteous, no matter the offense and conflict caused. We must never waver from witnessing.

      Good work Sir Dent. Keep up the fight. We must win.

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Welcome back to the religion forum Mark.

    2. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for such an inspiring comment.

    3. yolanda yvette profile image59
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for such a truthful comment.

      1. atomswifey profile image68
        atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        right one point sirdent my friend and sis! smile

 
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