I believe in God, the father of Jesus but I do not worship the Church. The Church is a good place to be introduced to the Lord,a good place for true Christians meet and study together, but do not worship the Church!!
Daniel 9:1 In the first year of Darius ...538 BC
Daniel 9:26 Gabriel told Daniel that it shall be 62 weeks and they will kill the messiah
Debated year of crucifixion 26, 28, 30, and 33 AD
From 538 BC til 33 AD = 568 years
from 538 BC til 26 AD = 564 years
Gabriel's 62 weeks = 568 years ?.. 1 week = 9.2 years
Gabriel's 62 weeks = 564 years ?.. 1 week = 9.1 years
let's just say that 1 prophetic week = 9.13 earth years
42 months = 180 weeks X 9.13 years = 1643.4 years
2012 - 1643.4 = 369 AD
The Roman Catholic Church had 10 POPES.
One of the heads received a deadly wound when one of the Popes was deposed by the Emperor in 365 AD. In 369 AD Pope Liberius was recalled by the Emperor to reclaim his seat as Pope in Rome. The head recovered from a deadly wound and God gave 42 months for the Roman Catholic Church to Blaspheme the Lord.
The Roman Catholic Church is the mother of all Christian religions.
The Lord sent his two witnesses (Candle Sticks) to dwell on the earth. One among the Christian church and one among the False prophet's churches. Good and evil dwelling together among the religions of the earth. This comes to an end after 1260 days (same as 42 months)
That 42 months will be fulfilled in the year 2012.
MIGHT BE TRUE ? Is it possible
If this MIGHT be tru, then we MIGHT need to rethink thousands of Interpretations ???
2012? I don't think so.
We will be busy hosting the Olympic games in London though, in 2012.
Will the intricacies of the 42 months as mentioned in Revelations be fulfilled within 3 years...in your opinion?
God and his messenger Angel(Gabriel)can be trusted to tell the truth.
IF we as Christians can believe the word of God, should we INTERPRET this message given in Daniel chapter 9 to mean something else?
What if our interpretation of something that one of the disciples said, 590 years later, seems to contradict God's message?
What do we do when our interpretations of things that the disciples said seem to contradict the word of Jesus Christ
I guess that if we do not like what Jesus and his father are saying, or where this message would logically lead, there is nothing to do but interpret it away.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs; insomuch that, if it were possible, THEY SHALL DECEIVE THE VERY ELECT.
What if this has already been accomplished?
Almost 2000 years ago Jesus said that if possible they will deceive the very elect.
Think about it. If this false Christianity were to begin tomorrow, how much more unChrist like could it be than what is described in history. History of THE CHURCH from 370 - 1600
IF this is actually the message from God, given to Daniel, (I week = 9.13 years) and we rejected it without giving it a second thought, What Would Jesus Do? ...
I did not post this thread as an ambush.
I made a simple statement
I would appreciate to hear a simple answer.
I believe that this is a plausible possibility
What is your opinion?
I do want to hear it.
You have the floor.
Pretend I'm not here.
I be will back tomorrow afternoon
the 62 weeks began in 538 BC and ended between 26 and 33AD
it shall be 7 weeks after the 62 is finished unto
MESSIAH THE PRINCE
THAT Hebrew Nation has one more week to quit sinning and anoint the Most Holy
That seventy weeks would have to have been finished before THAT Hebrew Nation ceased to exist.
It ceased to exist around 138 AD
The seventy weeks of Daniel most assuredly have been fulfilled.
In 138 AD the woman described in Rev. 12 was carried away into the wilderness and ....
12:15 and the Dragon cast out of his mouth water as a flood (Lies ind false interpretations) after the woman and the earth swallowed them up (believed it all).
The dragon must have been the one to say ..
" yaul go ahead, you can interpret scripture any way
you want! to" I sure that God or Jesus did not say that !
You rely too heavily on Gabriel.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
Reproof - 1) a proof, that by which a thing is proved or tested
Why are you so persistent in trying to make us believe that Jesus Christ has already come?
You hit the nail on the head. That is my problem.
I do rely too much upon the word of God. What God said.
Gabriel was Gods TEX- Messager so to speak. What Gabriel said was according to what GOD told him to say. I do not interpret the word of God. Foundation of my belief system !!
Jesus .."The word of God" I do not interpret what he says either.
The disciples. They sometimes says stuff that has to be interpreted in order for that to conform to what GOD said.
The powers of interpretation have been working for almost 2000 years.
I am wanting to begin at the beginning with a basic TRUTH and wait and see where it may lead.
One step at a time and then we will discuss other issues.
Within this ample volume lies
The mystery of mysteries.
Happiest they of human race
To whom their God has given grace
To read, to fear, to hope, to pray,
To lift the latch, to force the way;
But better had they ne’er been born
That read to doubt or read to scorn
Sir Walter Scott
That read to doubt or scorn.
I am not doubting or scorning scripture.
I am scorning interpretation of scripture when it is TOooo
simple to understand when we read it starting with the word of GOD and then including what everyone else says ..IF.. it fits in with the word of God
My intentions when I posted this was not to debate the issue. I would like for all of you to prove anything that I have said in this thread as being WRONG.
Well we have already been through that in a couple of other threads Jerami. You were shown with Biblical proof that your preterist view is false but you didn't believe it.
You have said in other threads that if the writings of the apostles in the Bible contradict Jesus' words in the Bible (the ones in red in your Bible) they are to be avoided. But they don't contradict what Jesus says.
Jerami you don't seem to realize that what you are trying to do is fit the Bible into your own interpretation. The Bible is right. If you are finding contradictions between Jesus and His apostles then you are understanding the Bible wrong.
More of gods word.
The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)
Mad, psychotic little god!
I am so glad that God is not the God that people on both sides of the fence portray him to be.
A wise man and a fool can be arguing on the street corner.
People walking past can not tell who is the wise man.
They both sound alike.
Why does it offend so many when I say that we should believe first the word of God? and then the word of the disciples if what they say fits.
I am not sure about others being offended, they just offer a different view don't they?
Many Christians aren’t aware of the fact the neither Mark or Luke were disciples. Neither one of them ever met Yeshua, that is never talked to him, walked with him or was an eyewitness to any of the events that’s recorded in the Gospels named after them. As a matter of fact Mark was the very first Gospel written of the four and was done so around 45 years after the alleged crucifixion.
Thank you for your interesting comment. I was unaware of that. Many Christians are not aware of a lot of things.
Many people sometimes think that I must be an Anti Christ because of what I believe. Believe me I am not. I however, I am not a Religionist. I have been studying end time prophesy for almost a decade. I have found that preconceived ideas , Interpretation of those ideas, and a little bit of mis translation has lead many good "Christians" astray.
When we begin our travel based upon just one mis-conception we end up Confused and LOST.
I believe that if we believe the word of GOD why do we have to change the meaning of what He said by interpreting it?
I have not witnessed to anyone on these hubs as to the events in my life that led me to ..."KNOW" ..that there is a God.
I have not given a biography of my self because that is of no importance.
I hoped that the truth that I had to share would be able to stand alone without a handsome picture of my self or a sparkling biography.
I did not know how the forums worked. I doubt it; BUT Mark Knowles could be Adamswiffe. ??? doubt it but ???
I am saying that if a person says that they are standing upon what the bible says.... the bible should be analyzed.
What does it actually say after a ton of Interpretations have been cleared out of the way? Clearing 1600 years of interpretation is a hard row to hoe. Are there any brave souls willing to examine what they believe? What does YOUR Bible ACTUALLY SAY? I think that if everyone could Un-Interpret their belief system that there would not be any contradictions easily picked over by skeptics
I'm shutting down the computer and going to fall asleep;
do wish youl will talk about me and decide just how much we should rely upon the word of God and how much should be rely upon what the disciples said.
Good nite. will be back
Goodnight Jerami, enjoy your sleep. I hope you have nice dreams.
In chapter 20 Satan is bound, for a thousand years.
At that time those who had been killed, reign WITH Christ for a thousand years. This does not say that Jesus reigns with the living on earth.
At the end of the 1000 years Satan is loosed and he goes out and DECEIVES the Nations.
When he is released and DECEIVES the people will they know that they have been deceived? No they won't
If you have been deceived would you know it. No you wouldn't
I believe that the deception lies in OUR SELVES! Our insistence upon INTERPRETATION of prophesy.
If we could just read what scripture says .... To change the meaning of these prophesy as stated by the Lord is disrespect to the Lord. We can not change the rules !!
Top of the morning to you. Evening here.
I'm not commenting in this post, jerami. Too early in the morning. I can't think properly I'm only for joking right now
A little more food for thought.
In Rev. 5 John describes the four beasts. the 24 seats and 24 elders who sit in them. John does not describe seeing Jesus there, A strong angel proclaims WHO is worthy to open the book !! No one in heaven on the earth or under the earth was found to be worthy. John began weeping. Then the Angel tells John to quit crying... Look the Lamb as if it had (JUST) been slain in the midst of the throne.
As soon as Jesus arrived in heaven after the crucifixion IMMEDIATELY began opening the seal judgments.
Immediately after arriving in heaven Around 26 to 33 AD when Jesus arrived in heaven he began opening the seals. The first Five seals were opened around 30 AD
That is what it says !!!
And after the seventh seal is opened nothing happens.
Just silence for about the space of half of an hour.
The only thing that I can see for this to mean is that the seven seal judgments are finished, and then Afterwards the seven trumpets are handed out.
The seven seals, The trumpets and vials are NOT going to happen within a 3 1/2 year period prior to the battle of Armageddon. These three types of judgments all happen simultaneously,
Rev. 6:9 John saw the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God.
They had not yet been resurrected for they were UNDER the alter and not in front of it.
Rev 9:10 These souls cried out "When is God going to judge those on the earth?"
They were told to wait yet a little season
A season is 13 weeks.
A little season is a little less than 13 weeks.
13 X 9.13 = 119 years.
A little less that 119 years the punishment upon those on the earth will be complete (seal judgments)
A little less than 119 years after (approx) 30 AD would be a little before 149 AD
In 135 after the last Jewish revolt,AD Hadrian began evacuating ALL of the Hebrews through out the rest of the Roman Empire.
That Hebrew Nation that was given 70 weeks to quit sinning (Daniel 9:24) and anoint the most Holy; no longer existed.
Rev 16:2 And the first went and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a grievous and noising soar upon men which had the mark of the beast...
I think that this might have already occurred in the 14Th century when ........
The bubonic plague broke out in Europe and China, killing 2/3 to 3/4 of the population.
If this was not the 1st vial being poured, I just can't imagine anything worse.
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