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Why would God use divine intervention?

  1. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    -I asked this question in a previous forum post and didn't get any responses. I shall try again. lol


    -Why would God use divine intervention to write/influence the bible and not use divine intervention to save innocents from dying?

    1. AEvans profile image70
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this



      mmmmmm...... I am pretty good with the Bible and I am not going to push my beliefs but seemingly since AtomsWifey appears to believe she has knowledge I will let her answer that one. smile

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I look forward to her response. lol

        1. AEvans profile image70
          AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            AEvans, thanks for posting that. Very sad. Many unanswered questions in life. If something was truly divine, I think it should explain everything instead of some things. I don't think the divine would cover the minor things and leave out the important questions in life.

      2. paulhvv profile image60
        paulhvvposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Should we be perfect and listen to the divine intervention we would not have this suffering.
        But no, we will be stubborn and live our lives the way we chose. God gave us free will and he won’t take it back. When we ask God to come into our lives; at the point where we realise we cannot attain holiness by ourselves, then and only then is there a life changing moment. Should the whole world do it? We would have a world of people that are loving, kind, caring, and unselfish. We would all be trying to make the world a better place, but with Jesus directing us.
        God cannot interfere, when people use their freewill to make the world the place the way it is.

    2. richypee profile image61
      richypeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      God has given as choice for He is a loving God, He don't want to impose any sect of religion on us, we have to choose from good and evil, is a choice .And God has already saved us from the dungeons of the enemy if only we could receive him(Jesus) into our heart.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol This is hardly an answer to my question.


        Does accepting Jesus keep innocents from dying? No. Why is there divine intervention to accept Jesus, but not keep innocents from dying?

        I expect another beat around the bush. Thanks for trying.

    3. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This universe is in perfection its is arrogant to think we know some other souls purpose on this planet.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It's arrogant for your to think the universe is perfect. It's also assuming not to ask questions.

        1. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I never said dont ask questions.Once you gain enlightenmnet or make contact with god you will understand the prefection till then your ego will not allow it.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            There is no perfection in innocents dying. No matter how enlightened you think you are. Your perfection and enlightenment obviously doesn't give you the unanswered questions to the universe.

    4. Nashville profile image72
      Nashvilleposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think God would use divine intervention in writing the bible, but not in saving the innocent because the bible itself is meant to be a divine collection of text. It is written to help us make decisions but doesn't directly affect the natural order of things.

      Saving the innocent, I think would affect the natural order of things.

      Besides I believe a death of someone truely innocent and of someone who has a true faith in God should be celebrated. This world that we live in can be a hard and unforgiving world. When you go home to the lord and step into his eternal light this world becomes nothing.

      I think that we let the loss of an innocent person affect us for very selfish reasons. Don't get me wrong I don't believe we do it on purpose. It's just something we do naturally. I think we do this because when someone dies thy take a part of us with them.

      We interact with all individuals differently and therefore that part of us has died when someone has passed on.

      When someone innocent passes I think it is a blessing and not something meant to hurt us, for there is nothing to be missed when leaving this world only to be gained in the next.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You said a lot of things that made sense after you said "It is written to help us make decisions but doesn't directly affect the natural order of things."


        Very huge error. There have been countless wars and innocent deaths for disagreements over the bible, faith, God.

        1. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Nashville you have a nice understanding and there is no error in what you said. smile

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              There are lot of errors !!! what's wrong with you today mohitmisra? yikes  It's because it's Saturday ? big_smile

            1. mohitmisra profile image59
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              He said it perfectly if one understands death which is something most do not then one will celebrate someones death and not mourn it.
              lol will start with some beers soon wink Saturday night is just starting smile

              1. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Beers !! So you're human after all! Maybe you're mistaken in your believes, jus as many human beings that are big_smile

                1. mohitmisra profile image59
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  lol I am human , who said I am not lol  lol 
                  But I also know another part within and outside of me, my very essence the Light , Love , love , love -GOD. smile

              2. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                It is only relieving to those that die. It's not very relieving to those left behind. It ruins many lives when they can't understand why an innocent loved one died for no given reason. Did your enlightenment not see that?

                1. tantrum profile image61
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    At that point the light was off big_smile

                  1. mohitmisra profile image59
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol   there is no such thing as death, one cannot die  smile

                2. mohitmisra profile image59
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You dont know the meaning of enlightenment which answers many questions and does not make one primitive like you.
                  You also have no idea what death is .

                  1. tantrum profile image61
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                      Why don't you show us ? By the way, I like being primitive. I'm  a beast !

                  2. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol you are very ignorant in your assumptions of me. I know I don't know death, I haven't died yet unlike you enlightened one.



                    You are a wannabe prophet. Basis? Your preaching of enlightenment, then sending e-mails trying to sell your book. You need to read more before you write your ignorant assumptions. I know nothing as you know all. Your enlightenment fails you again. Choose your battles more wisely.

                3. atomswifey profile image70
                  atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  But the time apart is only for a season. I know it seems much longer but it really isn't.
                  I know that pain.
                  I know that hurt.
                  But I also know the joy I feel when I think about the reunion. I know the peace I feel when I think about the pain being gone, the tears being gone. The joy and laughter they are experiencing with God.
                  How amazing that all must be. How can one even put it into words?
                  Being in the arms of our creator. Wow. The human mind cannot even fathom it.
                  And yet our innocent ones are experiencing it. That is really amazing when you think about it.
                  How special is that? How rewarding as a parent to know your child will never have to face fear. Will never again have to deal with pain or illness. That child is living and breathing an everlasting life of peace and comfort, of joy and laughter, no not just joy, extreme joy and extreme laughter from extreme happiness!
                  Is there any comfort in that? I think there can be.
                  smile

                  I hope my words here helped somewhat.

                  1. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I didn't say there wasn't comfort in faith of a better afterlife. Very much comfort. I'm saying that no one knows the afterlife. Only assumptions.

                  2. Paraglider profile image89
                    Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No. Rewarding, as a parent, is seeing your child face fear and conquer it, and make his/her way as an adult in this world. There is nothing rewarding in the death of your first-born.
                    So you say. But you don't know. And the chances are that you are mistaken.

                  3. wyanjen profile image89
                    wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    How rewarding as a parent to know your child will never have to face fear.


                    How rewarding that your child will never have to face fear? Facing fear builds strength. Facing a fear is a life experience that completes a person's character.
                    How rewarding is it when you put your child in the ground? There is no reward for that.  You've got something wrong with you if you are celebrating the death of a child.

    5. atomswifey profile image70
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I believe He does just not always in the way we would think.
      Sometimes God intervenes by taking someone home to be with Him.

      It is so very difficult when losing a child, and that is an understatement.
      But there is hope and and peace in knowing that they are in the most capable hands any of us could ever imagine.

      Suffering comes from life in this world of sin. Sin, not those that sin, but sin itself is an infectious plague. Its symptoms vary and can be found on anyone. These symptoms are suffering, illness, death. Not that any of us deserve this, but it is that sin knows no bounds here on this earth and thus its symptoms spread to yes even the innocents of the world.
      God removes the suffering, relieves the pain by taking them home to be with Him.

      Now we come to why it is that sometimes we see children suffering with diseases like cancer and others and why God does not stop that from happening.

      This is a more difficult question to answer. But I will try. For one I think it is because that as a result of sin bringing with it suffering and illness, disease is another one of those that was brought.
      It infested our planet as satan uses it to attack the body of Christ as well as the body of unbelievers.
      Lying to people about it. Deceiving people into believing that God is unloving because He allows it.

      But I think God reasons, if He destroys all that is evil, that would include all of mankind. Someday, I believe this is exactly what is in Gods plan.
      To end all the suffering and sin God will destroy it.
      Not that He intends to destroy all of us like we never existed. But to draw man into judgement and reward.

      In showing man the horrors of what sin has done to this world through the eyes of His most innocent in it, God beckons the world to turn away from it. The world has refused.
      So God allows it to run its natural course.

      Not that God should want for any innocent to die so horribly. But we can see where God is very understanding and sympathetic to the parents of these children. As He was a parent of an innocent who was brutally murdered in this world of sin.
      And just as God had a plan and purpose for this evil to be turned around for good, so too is it that the evil these innocents have be shown and endured will be in Gods ultimate plan for the good that is to come.

      Thats what I believe anyway. smile

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sorry, I didn't see an answer to my question.


        God lets children die of diseases to teach us lessons of sins? He would save the children if we all believed the bible? lol

        1. atomswifey profile image70
          atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No that is not what I said.

          God does allow it for that reason along with many others. His plan and purpose is to end it all.
          And He will.
          God allows it because to destroy all suffering, all sin, He will have to destroy all of us. One day and that day is coming He will do that very thing.

          Each day we are given here is a blessing of His control thus far with sin. It is because of His own sons suffering and death that we have these days.

          Look at Gods judgement for sin in the Old Testament.
          God has not changed.
          He hates sin.
          And why? Because of what sin has caused.
          what evilness it brought with it and brings with it.

          Sin is running its natural course. Soon God will put a stop to it. Just as He did in the days of old.
          The flood was just that. Sodom and Gomorrah was just that. And soon we will see Gods Wrath once again unfold as it has to in order to destroy sin. And then we will have our new beginning.
          Those that we love who have been taken up with Him will be reunited with family and friends.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Why would a divine being need to destroy all for a new beginning? Why wouldn't the divine being only wipe out the bad ones? Then the divine being wouldn't have to start from scratch. Don't you think a divine being would realize this when a divine beings creation realizes this?

            1. atomswifey profile image70
              atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              This divine being created everything perfect.
              Man had a choice in two trees
              One for life eternally with all that is perfect forever. orrrrr,
              the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
              Man lusted after that knowledge and accepted the consequence of not living forever in all that perfection.

              Sin took its course.

              God divinely intervened and took upon Himself the sins of the world.
              Thus making a way for man to once again have that choice.
              Man sometimes chooses life, sometimes chooses death. Sin still runs its natural course.

              This in no way pleases God.

              God will destroy it all.
              God will start a new
              With all those who have chosen life.

              do you destroy a garden over grown with weeds?

              Would you plant a new garden with fresh seed?

              God will refresh His garden with fresh seed after he plucks out all the weeds.

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol you contradicted yourself. You said God will destroy all and start new. Then you said he will only pluck the weeds. Why would a God need to destroy all when he has the ability to pluck the weeds?  Work smarter not harder.

                1. atomswifey profile image70
                  atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I did not contradict myself, you misunderstood me. I said God would destroy all of sin, all the weeds, all the evil and start over with the ones who have chosen life (the fresh seed).

                  new cultivated ground which is sinless.

                  1. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Alright, Why didn't God just create everyone without sin to start with? If he knew people would sin before they sin, why create them? Entertainment?

    6. yolanda yvette profile image60
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Bible gives many accounts of God's divine intervention on behalf of people, and He is still intervening in the affairs of mortals.  As long as the earth, as we know it, exists, He will do so.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Um alright, this contradicts free will. Next interpretation?

        1. yolanda yvette profile image60
          yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No, this does not contradict free will.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            How does intervention not contradict free will?

            1. yolanda yvette profile image60
              yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              How does intervention contradict free will?

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Why answer a question with a question? How does it not contradict free will?

                1. yolanda yvette profile image60
                  yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Why answer a question with a question?  How does it contradict free will?

    7. andromida profile image74
      andromidaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      First of all there is no evidence of divine intervention.There is no way one can prove anything about divine intervention unless if one simply accept the fact that there was a divine intervention.Secondly, if I accept the fact about divine intervention about the writing of bible then perhaps sending the message of god to us was the one and only purpose.I think time has come to think more about that if there were really any divine intervention.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The only question of divine intervention is why we humans have conscioous/subconscious thought with ability to teach/pass it to future generations while no other known animal life has this ability. Why do we need and want to know why to live when other animals are simply content with life.

        1. andromida profile image74
          andromidaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's our consciousness and the power of logical reasoning what bug us the most about some questions which has no answer and i can confidently say that  no one will ever find any answer about divine intervention.No other animals have the power of self respect and more over we have a suspicious mind that's why we always try to find evidence to support our point of views.Actually no one want to see that his believe system is getting shattered no matter if you are a believer or non-believer.

    8. SunSeven profile image64
      SunSevenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL

    9. ediggity profile image60
      ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      First, I would ask what is your definition of an innocent?  There are examples in the BIBLE; which I won't quote unless you really want me to, where GOD said he would curse generations.

      Second, how do you know he doesn't use divine intervention all the time?  There are plenty of people who say they have been saved as a direct result of GOD's intervention.

      Maybe your human definition of innocents, aren't GOD's definition of innocents.

      Lastly, the word of GOD can't even be compared to "innocents."  He used divine intervention in the BIBLE, because that is how he wanted the word of GOD portrayed.  The BIBLE gives many examples of human disobedience, even by those of the strongest faith (The cock will crow 3 times before sunrise, Judas etc..)The fact is GOD sent his only son Jesus to die for our sins.  Jesus went around and told everybody what he was here to do, and to have faith that everything would be ok.  He also let them know the rules that they were to abide by, and that all Christians would suffer in human form, but would be rewarded in his father's kingdom if they kept their faith.

      So, the short answer is depending on your faith divine intervention does or does not happen.

    10. ionerice profile image60
      ionericeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There is no such thing as Divine Intervention.  This is a concept that was made-up by the Catholic Church fathers in order to get the blind sheep to believe everything in the bible and eliminate all doubt.  If a Gawd intervened in the writing of the bible he’s pretty dumb.  There wouldn’t be in scientific errors and other mistake. 

      The Five oldest bibles on the planet are totally different than the ones used today.  A side-by-side comparison has shown that there are many interpolations and also removed texts.  A good example is Mark the 16th chapter.  The oldest copies of Mark end at the 8th verse and the modern day bibles end at the 20th verse which is an indication that 12 verses were added at a later date.

    11. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I believe that God uses divine intervention to redirect mankind toward HIS purpose for  mankind.
          He does not interveign only for the selfish wants and or needs of the individual. Can if he wants to but his main goal is to reach the end as he has designed. Which is for the better good of the majority.

    12. quietnessandtrust profile image59
      quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why do you want to know?
      What is your motive?

      1. atomswifey profile image70
        atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        that is what I asked her
        Why she asked the question the way she did and then argued the point.

        1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
          quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          He is a man.

          1. atomswifey profile image70
            atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            really? ok sorry then
            smile
            that what I asked him

      2. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Is the question not straight forward?

        1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
          quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sure I can read the question, and still ask...
          Your motive to know is?
          Is someone suppose to believe that if you got an answer you "found acceptable" that you would suddenly believe in GOD? lol

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Just like a religious mind, fumble around a question you don't have answers for until you think of an "interpretations" in your entrapped mind.


            I'm looking for an answer with logic. There is obviously no logic in any of the answers I have received. I believe the logical, not the irrational.

    13. LEFT HAND OF GOD profile image60
      LEFT HAND OF GODposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      HE has a free will to do whatever HE pleases and who can question anothers free will?
      Does anyone run around questioning yours?
      You would just laugh.

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Many question my free will. Why do you think we have government and laws? Free will is regulated to what is legal. I do laugh at the government very often.

        1. LEFT HAND OF GOD profile image60
          LEFT HAND OF GODposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          OK then, many question HIS freewill and HE just laughs back.
          HE does not answer to anyone as nobody rules over HIM and HE does not explain to mankind what HE is doing.

    14. Bibowen profile image90
      Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The question doesn't make much sense from either the theist or atheist standpoint. Why would the atheist ask such a question since he does not believe in God (unless it's another cheap attempt to entrap believers in one of those "where did Cain get his wife" questions)?

      And why would a theist ask such a question? For the theist, the answer is "God has a sufficient reason for the use of divine intervention in some cases, but not others." The biblical analogy of such a question is the clay arguing with the potter, saying "why have you made me this way"?

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol you put more work in analyzing the question than you did answering.

        1. Bibowen profile image90
          Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well, the answer is in that "analysis," but if it's too much reading for you, I can shorten it.

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The answer is really tOOooo simple to comprehend.

                If your lifestyle is under the umbrella of Gods
            protection, then he interveins very often.
                If your life style is out side the umbrella of his protection then he does not intervein as often

               He also knows when his intervertion will change nothing.

          2. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The clay argueing with the potter is not an answer to my question. Just a bible quote your religious mind is limited to.

    15. profile image0
      gurubaranpyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      God is managing us in different ways and as far as our understanding goes it looks like He aims at making us more concious. We cannot fully understand the ways of God because of the differences in the magnitude of the minds between us and God. But as far as we understand we cannot expect God to act as per our wish or our version of rights and wrongs. He is the king and He decides the rules. All we can see is the general trend of action of the superior mind over us and it appears to be in our favor. Therefore it would be reasonable to continue our quest to understand Him more and choose to be in alignment of His thoughts like a son towards his father.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        We are creating miracles that an imagined god apparently could not. He apparently got DNA messed up. We are fixing DNA for example.

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe God created us to do the hard work lol big_smile

        2. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          We or man just discovered DNA in 1953 while man has been around for millions of years. smile
          There is order in what seems like chaos but we don't have the comprehension or the ability to see things properly .
          Quantum science is showing things in such a different way and correct way something we never understood before.

    16. Margie01 profile image60
      Margie01posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I assume when you use the term "innocents" you are referring to minors?  He is not the cause/reason for death (ever) sin is the cause and that is something we bring on ourselves.  He is there with those children and maybe the question should be; why can't we as a people live our lives the way he instructed to prevent the problems we have created ourselves?

      1. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol you believe that if we all followed the bible, no innocent children would ever die again?


        Ridiculous. Does this sound right to you?

        1. Margie01 profile image60
          Margie01posted 7 years ago in reply to this
  2. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago
    1. Lady_E profile image80
      Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol.

    2. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How do you do that one? lol

  3. torimari profile image81
    torimariposted 7 years ago

    Just because. Heck, I would if I could. That may be dangerous though. :s

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol you would? That is pretty evil. I don't like the idea of being a science experiment.

  4. profile image0
    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    My answer, simple. If he would, it would be for his own pleasure.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hello Sir, I don't like this idea. Brings me back to the science experiment idea. lol

      1. profile image0
        ralwusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It's the only thing that makes sense to me. LOL

  5. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Nashville said
    'Saving the innocent, I think would affect the natural order of things. '
    yikes  yikes yikes
    Do you have a mind ? yikes

    1. Nashville profile image72
      Nashvilleposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I also said that this world is nothing and leaving it is a blessing and not meant to be something to hurt us with.

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And I gave my opinion above.

  6. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Nashville wrote
    'Besides I believe a death of someone truely innocent and of someone who has a true faith in God should be celebrated. This world that we live in can be a hard and unforgiving world. When you go home to the lord and step into his eternal light this world becomes nothing.'
    Why live it, then ? yikes

    1. Nashville profile image72
      Nashvilleposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I can't answer that. That ones up to God. I really couldn't begin to guess.

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I don't believe in God, so for me I'm having a Hell of a time in this world. Full of joy and happiness! big_smile

  7. atomswifey profile image70
    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago

    why did you ask this question?
    Are you really seeking an answer or are you only seeking to mock and debate?

    I wonder not because you might disagree with me or anyone else for that matter, I ask this because of your lol's.

    There are people who have lost loved ones, and children like myself who would not appreciate a serious discussion like this over thrown by tee hee's and ha ha's over a an analogy misquote!

    I being one of them!!!

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I appologize for your loss.


      The lol's aren't personal, I just find it entertaining when someone believes they have all the answers to life from reading the bible.

      1. atomswifey profile image70
        atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I accept your apology
        but I think its distasteful to entertain yourself at the expense of someone who has gone through something like that.

        My only suggestion is that if you want to debate the issue of someone believing the Word of God and thinking the answers to life are in it, then pose the question that way.
        I think that would be reasonable and wouldn't be out of line if you are really wanting to know why that is anyway. smile

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I was just using examples, you are the one that added your personal account. You are putting words to my name. I didn't say anything negative about your loss.

    2. profile image0
      wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      AW, did you lose a child?  OH, no...  I am SO sorry.  Words cannot express my sentiments right now.  I am literally sick for you.

      1. atomswifey profile image70
        atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Its ok sweetie really.
        Like I told her, I know where he is and who hes with. smile

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm sorry too ! ! sad

          1. atomswifey profile image70
            atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you Tantrum smile

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          wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          smile smile smile  This is what I meant when I said earlier that we all come here with histories no one can possibly be aware of.  This is the perfect example of that, huh?

          1. atomswifey profile image70
            atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I forgot to say hiya to you!!!
            HIYA! smile smile smile
            much love to ya girl much love

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              wordscribe41posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Right back atcha!  smile

  8. loveofnight profile image79
    loveofnightposted 7 years ago

    i honestly don't think that god has anything to do with the planet at all.what happens, happens.....i am not trying to be mean but this is a question that will never have a definite answer.
    but of course this is just my opinion

  9. atomswifey profile image70
    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago

    I share a lot of myself with people but there are some things too personal.
    God opened this up for a reason. I thought the one who had started this had suffered that kind of loss as well.

    My goal was to comfort her with the truth as I see it. But Gods I think was to open hearts with the truth of it all.

  10. atomswifey profile image70
    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago

    Hi yolanda! smile

    1. yolanda yvette profile image60
      yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hello, friend.  Missed you on Hubs last night.

      1. atomswifey profile image70
        atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        missed you too
        I had my 16 year old at the ER with an upper respiratory infection and bronchitis. Yuck! lol
        Hes ok smile

        I almost lost him too at just a few days old. See, I know not everyone will believe this, but it is so true!
        I have heard, like not just in my head, but in my ears, God's voice!
        And I mean to tell you, He is very real!

        The first time I heard this was when my 16 year old, at the time he was a few days old had to be air lifted to another hospital because his platelette count was dangerously low.
        Just by touching him he could have started to bleed to death!

        I was in hysterics! I told God flat out, you take him, take me too or I'm coming anyway.

        On the way while the flight crew had him, me and my friend and her husband drove.
        They wouldn't let me on the flight, too many people as was. They even had the doctor fly in with them to get him!

        Ok, so here we are in the car and I am sobbing, I mean sobbing like I had never sobbed before. I was in the backseat all alone. Ok so I am sobbing and praying and praying and sobbing.
        All of sudden I heard this male voice and I mean LOUD
        and it said,.
        my daughter, your faith will heal your son!
        three times He said this to me. And I mean, he said it! Not oh you think you heard something, or you had this thought... NO! I heard it!

        ok, so after the first time, I got kinda quiet, I was a little frightened at first really. lol I mean its not everyday you hear something like that right?
        Ok so then when I heard it again, I had already stopped sobbing and knew who it was that had said it.

        Now these friends I was with, were not believers at all! (Bear) that was the nickname of my friends husband was real heavy into cocaine and other drugs. My friend, was real heavy into other things of the world as was I. I had a background in faith, but the two of them.
        lol
        OK my friends mom is a lesbian and atheist. My friends dad was in prison for dealing crack and he too did not believe.
        Bear had no upbringing in faith either. I am telling you this so you don't get the idea that they had somehow done this.

        Ok so here I am in the backseat and I look up front and Bear is looking at my friend and talking about I don't know what and then all of a sudden I hear him say, look back there, she stopped crying, is she alright?!
        My friend did and saw just sitting there, not a tear with a smile on my face.

        She looked at me really weird like and said, uhm, are you uh, ok? For a minute I didn't say anything and then I just said softly, yep and nodded my head.

        They asked me in the elevator on the way up what happened?
        I told them only that I prayed.
        It wasn't until days later that I confided in my friend about all that happened.

        Oh!! And btw, my son is 16 now and plays football for his highschool!

        Sorry this was so long just wanted to share it

        1. yolanda yvette profile image60
          yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Praise be to God for taking care of your son.  And you.  So glad he is ok. 

          You're right, not everyone will believe this.  Personally, I have never heard God's audible voice.  I have heard Him clearly in my spirit, though.  A few times. 

          And I know He speaks audibly as well.

          Awesome testimony!!

        2. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          With all due respect, why do you think God would favor 1 of your children to save them and not save the other?

          1. atomswifey profile image70
            atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            And you asked that in total what????

            He favored them both!
            He favored one in taking him home to be with Him!
            He favored the other in granting me time with him here!
            He saved them both!
            My 16 year old is a living breathing testimony of Gods Awesome power!
            He walks and talks the faith my dear! He's saved!
            My other was not at the age of accountability. He is saved too!
            He is with God, in the Lords hands!
            So I count both as saved and bought with the blood of Jesus and favored as such!
            Thank you!

            1. yolanda yvette profile image60
              yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              AMEN!!!

          2. yolanda yvette profile image60
            yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You showed No respect whatsoever.  Your question was downright tacky and unnecessary.  But I know you could care less, so long as you can try to get your point across.  Which is no point at all really....

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Your ignorant assumption is tacky. It's not my fault that it doesn't make sense for a divine being to intervene 1 life to live here and not intervene the other. A proven that divine intervention does not exist accept to those who wish to live a blind faith.

        3. SunSeven profile image64
          SunSevenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          wOW!

  11. atomswifey profile image70
    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago

    Facing a fear is a life experience that completes a person's character

    boy is this how far we come?

    nobody should know fear

    one day we will a life absent of such things

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol are you serious?


      Your god created fear along with other emotions. You believe in your god from fear of going to hell. Everyone should recognize and understand fear. The only ones that are controlled are the ones that submit to fear.

  12. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    I keep being asked what is the hidden agenda in the question. lol

    Is the question that complicated to find an "interpretation"? lol


    This is all we have are theories and interpretations. The bible believer fails to understand this. You along with me know nothing of why. There are only guesses and interpretations. No absolutes.


    I see it very arrogant when a believer writes something as an absolute based on their individual belief. Even your individual belief is not an absolute, so how can the interpretations be an absolute? lol

  13. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Divine intervention would be a real god feeding the starving children and protecting the vulnerable. smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Now this is logical. Thank You

  14. profile image0
    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense in any religion threads.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I can agree with that one. lol

  15. lbtrader profile image61
    lbtraderposted 7 years ago

    Divine intervention...

    Science is a strange concept. Atheists love it because it gives logical reason to being and matter. Theists like it but are more open minded to parascience or to paranormal phenomena which seems to always push the limits of logical sciences.

    Divine intervention raises a lot of questions such has -

    Are we humans all freaks of nature trying hard to be normal according to known laws of science or are we all avoiding the true nature of being which can only be explained in accordance to the pseudoscience fields which try to explain things that happen when matter meets anti matter or when the sixth sense kicks in.

    Dark matter is the quintessential element and it is the stuff of the ethereal which even Plato and others concerned themselves with. Why did they keep it so secretive ?

    Why would God use divine intervention ?

    Because we can't....or maybe we can through prayer and meditation but yet we don't.

    My question really is whether or science is magick.

    We know that through controlled chemistry and the application of formulas that we can produce certain things. It has built all the man made stuff that we have. So in a sense science is magick. But is there magick in parascience.

    I've played with a Ouija board once and I know there is magick in the paranormal. I'll never go there again.

    If the question "Why would God use divine intervention?" was meant to draw a different type of answer such as -

    To cure the ill - to bring me luck - to save my dog - etc...

    Then I guess I missed the boat again...

    Heck by this point I've missed the boat so often it doesn't even stop at this port anymore.

    Sort of the same story with God.

    I've missed the point of the magic so often he's gone on to better fishing grounds.

  16. getitrite profile image81
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    I believe in devine intervention. For example, last week, when the Patriots were losing the game up until the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter, Then Tom Brady steppped up to the line and drove his team to within one score of winning, but they needed a miracle to get the ball back, with only 2 minutes remaining.  So God intervened, and caused the punt returner to drop the ball. The Patriots went on to win by 1 point.

  17. profile image0
    \Brenda Scullyposted 7 years ago

    If we are a believer.... of course if you are not no point reading this...


    We believe he intervened lots of times in the past....
      Flood being one of the most well known times.  In the bible it tells us god made a rainbow to promise he would never flood the earth again,

    Every time i see a rainbow, i think of the flood, and know god is watching over us, he will intervene, i believe it, he will

  18. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    That may be a hard sale in the Philippines at the moment Brenda. smile

  19. profile image0
    \Brenda Scullyposted 7 years ago

    I know what you are saying,,,,,,, i just have this little world that i live in...... I know there are so many things going wrong everywhere, so much suffering, but we are not robots.  Innocent people, religious and non religious people suffer everywhere.  I do believe god is watching, and he does have a purpose, and a lot of things are brought upon us at mans hands not god's...... i know you do not believe earnesthub, but i have to.....

  20. lbtrader profile image61
    lbtraderposted 7 years ago

    The Genome Wager is an interesting subject that you guys should look up. It's a bet b/w contemporary science types that will be settled in 2029. The scientists are borderline freaks if you consider that they study the parapsychology of DNa. Cutting edge science.

    Can the DNa of an egg predict the development of an embryo ?

    I guess the human wantabee gods are in no more of a hurry than the one from the ethereal.

    2029...I won't be around physically to see the results unless some genius flukes out a method of extending life.

    Maybe I oughta change my understanding of what the overlord is and put my faith in men.....

    lmfao....

  21. quietnessandtrust profile image59
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    What does the term prophet mean to you?

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Bullshit, Phoney, Favored, Arrogant, Ignorant.


      That was the short version.

      1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
        quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Pretty naive, man you have a lot to learn.

        1. Pr0metheus profile image60
          Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          He's frickin god - he can do whatever he wants for whatever reason he wants... maybe he throws a bit of innocent deaths in just to stir crap up, it's less boring. 

          In all seriousness, if he is the god according to the bible, and there is a heaven in hell - maybe the 'innocent' were on their way to doing a terrible sin, so he saved them from hell by taking their lives?

        2. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          marinealways24 hasn't even started on the path to knowledge .

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I choose the path of sanity and logic. A path you haven't discovered through your enlightened prophecies.

            1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
              quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Strange that you are ignorant that the very word logic is taken from the Greek word "LOGOS" which is the term for WORD that is found in

              John 1:1
              In the beginning was the LOGIC (WORD) and the LOGIC (WORD) was with GOD and the LOGIC (WORD) was GOD.  big_smile

              THE LOGIC IS GOD and HIS LOGIC is infinite, so I will be interested in what HE has to say and HIS LOGIC long before I ever ask you.

              The mind of a man cannot comprehend all of the vast LOGIC of GOD and you find it foolishness because you do not understand THE LOGIC.

              1. marinealways24 profile image60
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You are an Idiot.


                You do not understand that everyone has a different logic. This is too complex for your simple religious mind. I notice you didn't quote "John" using the word "sanity". Maybe because he had none like yourself.

                1. Bibowen profile image90
                  Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You were the one that started this thread, weren't you? Is this the best we're going to get out of you or is this it?

                  1. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I notice you didn't quote the entire thing.


                    Just like a religious mind, pick and choose. lol

              2. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No. What man can't comprehend is the mindless hateful contradictory nonsensical crud you take as the truth.

                It takes very little logic to see that a hateful imagined  entity is not a god! lol

                1. marinealways24 profile image60
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  It really amazes me that people think religion and the bible are to define a divine creator.

                  The bible and religions purpose is simply for control. They have nothing to do with a creator.

                  The believer refuses to see this. They will only believe what they want to believe.

                  There is no logic to be found in a closed belief.

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Ramen to that!

                    Having been bought up with a religious mother, I was a sitting duck for religion when in my early twenties.
                    I got over it. Without prior indoctrination I would never have got involved in the first place, but it did give me a strong interest in finding out about the human condition leading to an interest in what really does offer change, such as brain chemistry and psychology. Religious fundamentalists are unwell. smile

              3. mohitmisra profile image59
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Human nature very often does ridicule what it cannot comprehend. It takes effort to stop and try to understand, the easy way out is for some.

                1. marinealways24 profile image60
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  The easy way out is to believe a divine being is looking out for your every move.


                  Reality is knowing the truth of the bible and religion and learning to depend on yourself without relying on "faith" to make your life decisions.


                  Reality is much harder. I would much rather be ignorant and trapped in belief. Maybe I would be happier then.


                  Ignorance is bliss.

                  1. mohitmisra profile image59
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Too much foolish ego if you believe you have absolute control over your life and events.Do you control your heart beat as well?

                    "What ever you try do your best,
                    Unto god leave the rest."

                    "The fruits or rewards are not in your hands, you do what you have to" Holy Bhagwat Gita

            2. mohitmisra profile image59
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You dont understand any conversation on this forum , you shouldn't be here as you have no knowledge to share and no inclination to learn .

        3. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol yes, another prophet. Tell me the ways of the lord prophet. Everyone has lot to learn. The ones trapped in belief usually have more to learn.

          1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
            quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I will NOT tell you of HIS ways because you are NOT interested.
            You are NOT at all....so, "as you were"

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Do or say something "divine" and I will believe you are a prophet. This should be easy for a prophet blessed as yourself. No sweat.

              1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
                quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Not your puppet.

                1. marinealways24 profile image60
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  So you are refusing to reveal your prophet powers?


                  What would God say about that? He favors and chooses to speak to you and make you a prophet and you don't do or say anything divine.

                  Am I missing an interpretation? lol

  22. quietnessandtrust profile image59
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    The LOGIC of GOD is beyond your comprehension and ability to grasp, that is why you think it is foolishness.

    You are the one being laughed at and do not even know it.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think you understand prophet.

  23. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    No god, no sin, just the human condition.

    Unlike religion it is understandable and makes sense. smile

  24. quietnessandtrust profile image59
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    big_smile
    "God blesses you when you are mocked and persecuted and lied about because you are my followers. " Matt 5:11

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So you just need to be a complete tosser and P**s everyone you meet off, and your in? lol

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's why they all come to the religion forum. To get blessed. big_smile

  25. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    A true prophet don't need any logic to deliver Gods message.

    1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
      quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you even know what the word logic means in the way I am using it?
      LOGOS=WORD.....Messiah is The Spirit of Prophecy.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

           John Wain didn't have ta tell anyone that he was tough and a prophet doesn't have to proclaim himself.

        1. quietnessandtrust profile image59
          quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Nobody is proclaiming anything....just saying what the scripture says of me.

          "For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have Messiah's mind." 1 Cor. 2:16

          Did you mean John Wayne?    Marion Mitchell Morrison
          Wain = Wagon

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The only mind you have is one that is trapped in belief.

        2. quietnessandtrust profile image59
          quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I noticed you cannot refute the truth I said either....so back up.

          The scripture says only a fool gets involved with someone else's argument.

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Everyone should just be "quiet" and "trust" you right?


            There should be no debate right?


            We should all live like a robot believing what the prophet says right?

        3. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol Then what would be the point of a prophet in the first place if the prophet didn't tell people he was a prophet? Make any sense?

  26. quietnessandtrust profile image59
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    If quoting John 1:1 makes me an idiot.....then.....I am in good company.

  27. quietnessandtrust profile image59
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    It's ok, I saw on another thread that Jerami thinks Jesus told John he would live until HE returned. lol.....he even thought Jesus said it to Peter too. lol

    He's a little corn~fused over in the Appalachians.

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Prophet, why are you making fun of your religious brother?


      Did God instruct you to do this?


      You still believe you are a prophet? lol

  28. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    quietsand?????   You have been proclaiming every kind of thing that YOU say that god has led for you to believe that scripture>>>>  Have ya ever tried to read only what it says.
         And if you do ever do that I would sudgest that ya start building your belief system on the ground floor. Foundation of a CHRISTians belief system should be what Christ said.  then add to this what his students added to that. Does that make sence???

 
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