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atomswifey is also owed an apology from the "free thinkers"

  1. nicomp profile image59
    nicompposted 7 years ago

    If this is indeed a forum for the free exchange of Religion and Beliefs, then atomswifey deserves a sincere apology from each "free thinker" and atheist who attacked her and her opinions.

    Every godless individual who took offense and spoke out against her for expressing her beliefs needs to demonstrate humble contrition and tolerance in the name of our free exchange of ideas.

    This stuff works both ways. Atheism has no moral code; the abuse that atomswifey has suffered is not justified by any level of free thinking or scientific inquiry.

    To all the atheists out there:
    I didn't say you had no morals. I said atheism has no morals. Atheism is simply an assertion that there is no supernatural power. It doesn't come with moral guidelines.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sure atomswifey is not searching for apologies.
      If atheism doesn't have moral codes then Christianity either. Why don't you stop with this foolish threads. It's so dramatic, in a humourous way ! lol

    2. rmcrayne profile image94
      rmcrayneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No moral code?!  COSETTE!!!  Animated graphic please! 

      And Atomswifey and I are cool.

      1. atomswifey profile image69
        atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        yes we are rmcrayne smile love ya girl!

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        omgsh!

        i was looking for my headbanging bunny but couldn't find it, so i posted the pigeoon fight

        how funny smile

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
          Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Would this do?

          http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u79/Sukeep/facepalm_macro.jpg

          1. Luciendasky profile image77
            Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            that will do quite nicely big_smile

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      oh boy

      this is getting out of control.........

      http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/8/6/27/f_avatar10377m_74ca864.gif

    4. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      AW and I are good. We discussed this briefly. However, AW, if I have offended you in any way, I sincerely apologize.

    5. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So it's not in your original post ?? yikes

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "godless" sounds so harsh.

      how about "delusion-free"?

  2. Luciendasky profile image77
    Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago

    1. I grew up protestant.

    2. I became a "free thinker" as you put it to find out what I truly believe

    3. AW gives ALL Christians a bad name to us "free thinkers" and atheists and totally makes me want to discredit Christianity, despite me knowing "good" Christians.

    4. I have never insulted her or her opinions... only the way she represents them

    5. Why are we starting ANOTHER apology thread, when the last one was discredited?

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I don't know about you but I have morals. You don't need the Bible to tell you what is right or wrong. You don't have to be a Christian to believe in treating everyone the way you would like to be treated yourself.

    1. Luciendasky profile image77
      Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      the two most "moral" people (according to the Bible) I know are non-christians. One is Taoist and the other a "free thinker" like myself

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      ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I actually agree with 7 of the 10 commandments. I respect my mother and father (when they are worthy of respect), I do not kill (in fact, not even insects), I have not committed adultery yet (and generally disagree with it), I do not steal (unless a few sweets as a small kid counts), I havent given false evidence against anybody, and I try not to be jealous..... although being "envious of his house nor his wife" is a tricky one sometimes lol And I do not idolise or worship anybody.

      The only ones that I refuse to comply with are:-

      1. You shall have no other Gods but me. 
      3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
      4. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.


      In fact, I do not comply with commandment 1 because of my compliance with commandment 2. I do not worship anybody, including god. I would happily misuse the name of 'the lord'. But only because I do not believe in his existance. For me saying "Uninvited Writer is slanderous!" (a false accusation!, and a breach of the commandments!) is much worse than saying "God is a tosser". One of them is real, just my personal belief of course. As for number 4, I dont even know when the Sabbath day is...... Is that Sunday? Because it is Sunday today right? Why is Atomswifey on here then? What does Atomswifey do today that is any different from yesterday or tomorrow?

      1. Luciendasky profile image77
        Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Technically, in the OT times it was Saturday... but NT christians changed it to sunday cause that is when "Jesus came back to life", you make a valid point though, Ryan... I am not an atheist, but you make sense.

        I once asked an atheist friend of mine why he bothered being moral. He responded by telling me that he still wanted to do "right by people" he respected his mom and did not want to hurt anyone by lying, cheating, stealing etc... I think this is more respectable than not wanting to "commit sin" because someone is afraid of going to hell.

      2. nicomp profile image59
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You make my point. Your morals come from within, not without. Your morals do not come from being an atheist. You made them up from your personal experiences and (probably) the way you were raised.

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          ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I was never a self-proclaimed athiest until I was labelled an athiest by so many 'believers'. It is people like you that have classified me as an athiest, if presented with a list of religions for a survey or census.... I tend to leave it blank. I have no controlling moral code, I agree with that. But that does not in itself mean that I have no morals. Maybe what I consider to be morals differ from yours, but I certainly have not disagreed with your point. I would lean a lot more towards personal experiences than the way that I was raised, as that is in itself a series of personal experiences.

          1. nicomp profile image59
            nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No one said you have no morals, save other atheists who (incorrectly) think that was my original point.

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              ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I didn't take that as your original point, I agree with much of what your saying.....

          2. Luciendasky profile image77
            Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            makes perfect and logical sense... and I was never a "free thinker" until this forum

          3. Uninvited Writer profile image84
            Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That is exactly how I am/was.

            1. torimari profile image80
              torimariposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hahah, this quote sums me up pretty well too...honestly, I don't know why I categorize myself as anything. I didn't tell I just got used to being called one....if anything I don't like most atheists I know anyhoo. xD I'm ironic.

    3. paulhunter profile image60
      paulhunterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      well thats just to simple, unfortunitly.Where everyone has the right to live, once they have being gaven life. Then, everyone has a way of understanding the rules, O" what rules? i hear you ask? Well, the ones "we live by" and who are we? they might ask?!!! Weather anyone understands anyones else's ideas of what morals really are.One can not, gave an opinion without some sort of reply, otherwise, we would just nod our heads with that puzzled look, but dont alow ourselfs a thought.
      Its ok, to think good thoughts! but there your thoughts. Try thinking good of people, and not expect anything in return.Kind regards Newman

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    ryankettposted 7 years ago

    She gets what she gives. I would rather spread my own shit on toast, like marmite, and eat it than apologise to her. I hope that clarifies. (Report this).

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Should I press the button? yikes I don't think so ! lol Enough drama big_smile

    2. nicomp profile image59
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's grade school logic. Hopefully you don't conduct your daily affairs in the same manner.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        This is grade school 'discussion.'  How much more soap opera is there going to be here on Hubpages?

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        ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        My daily affairs? What like brushing my teeth, taking a bath, and posting on the hubpages forum? I dont spread shit on my toothbrush, and I dont shit in the bath, so probably not?

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          PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Lol I see a red card coming our way again !

      3. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So ryan as you have tasted marmite itself, the extra protein should go down easy enough! lol

        1. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey, I've always (well since learning about the magic M) dreamed of doing a movie called "Marmalite Monster." It will be one of those A bomb test goes awry type deals. Figure to have a big blob of the stuff put humans on a sandwich and eat them.

          Waddayathink?

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yeh! Now having seen the attack of the killer tomatoes, I reckon I'd watch it! lol

    3. atomswifey profile image69
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I do not give into hate ryan. I am sorry that you seem to. I have never told anybody they are dying and going to hell or bashed them because of what their avvie looks like or treated anyone here with disrespect. I state my beliefs and try to engage in discussion.

      You posted on the other thread that your wish is to have the religion forum taken off altogether and if that happens it happens.
      I think to throw yourself into hate against me, and I think I have the right to say that after you told me to die and go to hell, then  that is what it is.

      I do not care if you apologize to me or not that is at your discretion and conscious to decide. I have not attacked you or anyone for that matter.
      Do I deserve what you have said to me, no.
      You do not know me to say such vile things against me. You very well may be a nice person and see me as a threat on here or have put me up as the christian poster child and thats fine. I like that poster. But your real problem is with the religion forum altogether and you have used me as a symbol of what you do not like about it. Again, thats fine.

      God forgives you and so do I. smile
      With or without that apology.

      But if your real problem is that you feel the titles of the threads intimidate people then that is your cause not blaming someone you do not even know for all of it.

      And this is all I have to say to you about it.

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        oOo, facepalm! perfect!







        no one is threatened by you. you pick and poke but you do it just enough to avoid breaking Hubpage's rules and the person ends up being banned. honestly if i upset this many people i would hate myself.

        1. Luciendasky profile image77
          Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well said, Cosette.

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        ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I dont even read your replies anymore Atomswifey, I tend to talk about you rather than to you. So its all good that you have nothing further to say to me.... it would only get ignored. I would hate to take up your time, I know that you have dozens of pointless forum threads to start.

  5. torimari profile image80
    torimariposted 7 years ago

    You can be a moral atheist, agnostic...whatever.

    No, I don't apologize and any Catholic, Atheist, Protestant, etc., who disagreed with her or criticized something she said shouldn't to either. It would be boring if everyone agreed anyway.

    Exactly, it is a forum of free exchange of Religion and Beliefs, so expect disagreement, ridicule and at times, low blows with no apologies.

    No one, including atomswify, owes an apology for disagreeing or having differing perspectives.

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    lynnechandlerposted 7 years ago

    I'll offer up the another it is a glorious day and while life really kinda sucks for me right now, blessed be to you all.

    Go out, get out in the natural elements and step away from this continuous round robin of pointing fingers. Breath some fresh air and clear your heads.

    Come back and here is the tough part, don't come here to the forum go to your account and write. Create and earn some money and be blessed in all that comes your way.

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I like your posts smile

    2. Paradise7 profile image86
      Paradise7posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, good for you, lynnechandler!!!! cool

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I second that ( and I did , well started) smile

  7. nicomp profile image59
    nicompposted 7 years ago

    To all the atheists:

    I didn't say you had no morals. I said atheism has no morals. Atheism is simply an assertion that there is no supernatural power. It doesn't come with moral guidelines.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is this a joke ??!! yikes if you say atheism has no morals, your saying atheists either. Give me a bresak !!! lol

      1. nicomp profile image59
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Please cite an atheist moral code. I'd be happy to read it.

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        i concur!

        1. nicomp profile image59
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Please provide the Atheist Moral Code.

          1. Daniel Carter profile image91
            Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            With all due respect, I think you've made some rather erroneous assumptions. Have you ever gotten in the "skin" of an atheist to really understand it? If not, you make assumptions rather than speak a truth. That being said, I think it's understandable to make such assumptions and even forgive them, if they are not continuously repeated.

            Having said that, I think you've done a good thing by starting this thread. As to how people may respond could be an entirely different issue.

      3. Luciendasky profile image77
        Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        this is true!

      4. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        'Atheism is simply an assertion that there is no supernatural power.'
        so that  is a lack of morals ?? Come on !

  8. Luciendasky profile image77
    Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago

    big_smile Cosette, you are so cool.

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      haha

      YOU are!

  9. torimari profile image80
    torimariposted 7 years ago

    Plenty of Atheist Bibles, not that I follow one having my own personal set of morals. Go to Barnes and Noble and check it out.tongue

    1. nicomp profile image59
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If there's an atheist bible, it's subjective.

      Again, I didn't say that any atheist is immoral. I said the atheist philosophy of no supernatural power is, by definition, amoral because it does not go beyond the simple assertion that there's no god. It's not a moral framework of any kind.


      If you have morals, and I don't doubt that all of you do, they don't come from your belief that there's no god. They some from somewhere else.

      1. torimari profile image80
        torimariposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I understand, but at the same time a lot of people's beliefs and interpretations of the bible can be called subjective.

        I'm just you and other Christians (or whatever you maybe smile ) have see somewhat different interpretations of different stories in the Bible.

        Heck, there has been threads about interpretation...so that can be said to also be subjective.

        I know you have the 10 Commandments, but as an atheist, I find it subjective myself. smile

        The Bible can be subjective. Besides, objectivity can be so boring.

        1. nicomp profile image59
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I agree. The Bible is interpreted in many different ways by many different Christian organizations. And I can certainly understand why an atheist would view the Bible as subjective.

      2. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I would assume they come from how you were raised. Do you think it is such a foreign concept to treat others the way you would wish to be treated, to treat people with respect? Everyone loses their temper and says things they regret...even Christians.

        I learned the Golden Rule, it was not promoted as a religious tenet when I was a child. I don't belong to any organization that says god does not exist, I just don't believe he does. I don't need others to tell me that.

        1. nicomp profile image59
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          My only point was that the atheist philosophy has no concomitant moral code. I'm sure all the atheists have some moral framework to which they subscribe.

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    PirateGirlposted 7 years ago

    The lady has the balls to speak her mind,

    You may not like her views but I respect her, she's kind,

    I have read some replies on here and gave a little grin,

    Two faced hypocrites that don't realise they sin,

    Death is the great divider, like the Grim Reaper it will come,

    Then and only then shall we see how brave and bigmouthed are some.

    CG.

    1. Luciendasky profile image77
      Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      YAY CG is here!

  11. AEvans profile image71
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    Nicomp if you act respectfully you gain respect, if you lash out at others unfortunately you get a lashing in return. I am a Christian but I certainly do not discredit anyone who believes nor disbelieves I respect and admire everyone's opinions. I realize you are trying so hard to assist her with getting respect but respect is earned I admire you for trying but I can bet it isn't going to work. She has stirred her cauldron so only she can dig her way out. smile

    1. Luciendasky profile image77
      Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are very respectable AEvans.

      1. AEvans profile image71
        AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you so are you! smile

    2. atomswifey profile image69
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I do not practice my beliefs with such things as cauldrons nor do I believe that I have in any way stirred this up.

      I respect others.
      But I do NOT expect to have "earn" someones respect that I do not know.
      How could I?

      Have I lashed out and said to anyone they are dying and going to hell? NO Or that I wished them to die and go to hell? NO! Not ever would I ever ever say something like to anyone! And do you think that saying something like that is deserving to anyone on here or anywhere else for that matter to see something like that posted and directed at them just because that someone has said things about God or scripture? Wow. that is really messed up don't ya think?

      have I called anyone vicious names? NO I have not
      Yet this was done to me on several ocassions and not even when I was discussion with them!

      Like PirateGirl said, she actually read some of my posts and finds me to be a nice person and not vindictive as some in here seem to be. So I hardly think I have deserved this kind of disrespect. Yet I am just going to forgive and consider the source. smile

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        PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You have my full respect and very few on here have that !!

        1. atomswifey profile image69
          atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          thank you and I respect you as well smile

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        ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If you are not asking for peoples respect, then what makes you think that people are asking for your forgiveness?

        1. atomswifey profile image69
          atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I am not thinking that they are asking for it just giving it smile

      3. Luciendasky profile image77
        Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well that does it... I will just forgive you for all the nonsense you have written and consider the source so that I can not feel offended! AEvans is VERY respectable and you twisted her words out of context.

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        really?

        c'mon atomswifey... you really think people are mad for no reason, and you had no hand in it?

        you are really good at IMPLYING

        as in "i'm a good Christian and because of my faith i'm not only going to Heaven but i am better than you and morally superior to boot!"

        you also ignore hubbers who express valid thoughts and questions, and are completely unapologetic for anything you say or do to someone else, in addition to being completely devoid of personal responsibiltiy.

        that's my take on it anyway.

        1. atomswifey profile image69
          atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I did not say people were angry for no reason, I am sure they believe they have good reason to be angry with me.
          What I have said is that I have not lashed out to deserve a lashing etc.

          Why should I apologize for my beliefs? Why should I apologize for engaging and stating my beliefs?

          Personal responsibility for what?
          For debating people?
          For expressing what I believe even though it differs from someone else's? I do not get what you are saying here.

          People are in charge of their own reactions and responses cosette. Just as I am. If I can have countless debates with people who although they disagree with me are my friends, then why should it bother those who I do not debate with about things?

          And how can I accept responsibility for how someone becomes angry with something I have said? If what I have said was not done in a way to warrant that anger?
          How can I accept responsibility for a reaction to what I have said? When the reaction is based on what they believe and how it differs from my own? And not based on how I offended them?
          How can I accept responsibility for how someone feels about what I have said? When I have not insulted them with what I have said or stated?
          How someone takes it is a matter of perception.
          I will give you an example:
          I quoted one time scriptures as they related to the forum topic about God sending people to hell vs. people sending themselves there. I was not the only one quoting scripture and lengthy debate over this.
          (The one in fact I had the debate with and I get along fine by the way though we disagree in beliefs).
          But I digress,
          In this forum I said,
          "God does not send them, it is choice because belief is a choice". I said further, "I am a sinner. I am not worthy of heaven, but God loves all. And has provided a way for all to receive that reward."
          does that offend anyone in here? If it does please explain how I was being offensive.

          I have been told my God is a psychotic so and so who is evil and a murderer. Do I react with anger with them over it? no. I have more self control than that as well as I forgive and consider the source smile
          I have been told I am a ignorant, uneducated "sheepie" and sock puppet. because of what I believe.
          and uhm, my reaction... sorry you feel that way about me. I forgive and consider the source. smile

          So why then would you presume that I am to take responsibility for what they say cosette?
          because what I say sometimes differs from your own beliefs? or theirs?

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            cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            now see....that right there...you "forgive" me? i wasn't asking you for forgiveness. i wasn't asking you for anything. true forgiveness comes from time spent soul-searching and isn't something you just toss out on message forums to show how magnanimous you are.

            "consider the source", smileyface?

            again, a term used when you want to negate anything said by a person and assign no value to it by dismissing that person as someone of no account. you don't know me at all so you are completely incapable of "considering the source". all that i know about you are your forum posts, and that is what i am commenting on - your posts.

            YES - you are perfect, atomswifey. you are, like Jesus, alone in your faith amid a crowd of horrible evil unbelievers. forgive them for they know not what they do... roll

            1. atomswifey profile image69
              atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              i didnt toss out that I forgive in my posts lol
              I love how you twist my words
              And I didn't say I was forgiving YOU I was not talking about YOU! lol

              And there you twist my words again,
              I said I forgive, that is what I do if I feel offended.
              Then I consider the source
              knowing that we as believers do not battle flesh and blood.

      5. blue dog profile image81
        blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        this is a part of the problem.  why, in all your christian wisdom, can you not forgive without considering the source?  as cosette suggests, your words invite whatever is thrown at you.

      6. Paraglider profile image88
        Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You attacked me quite viciously for disagreeing with you. You said to me, no, sorry, you said about me:

        wow how rude
        how utterly and completely rude and obnoxious.
        How can anyone have respect for someone who would take what I just said up there and turn it into what he did
        just to disagree with me! wow.
        really nice man
        thank you

        I have to go now before I forget my faith on this guy!


        My response to that insult was courteous (though you ignored it) and I only bring it up again here because you are once again being self-righteous and sanctimonious. I'm thinking of pots and kettles, you know?

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thats not an insult!

          1. LiamBean profile image89
            LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Depends. What did he say that was so "insulting" to her?

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No clue, he didn;t include it,just included his version of an insult. I don't see an insult

        2. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So what did you say to get that response?

          1. Paraglider profile image88
            Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I observed that while she believes in a hereafter, I do not. And I suggested that probability theory is on my side.

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              If that is an exact quote that too is not an insult

              1. atomswifey profile image69
                atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I lost a baby

                Here is what was said between us

                atomswifey wrote:
                How rewarding as a parent to know your child will never have to face fear. Will never again have to deal with pain or illness.
                That child is living and breathing an everlasting life of peace and comfort, of joy and laughter, no not just joy, extreme joy and extreme laughter from extreme happiness!
                Is there any comfort in that? I think there can be.

                He wrote:
                So you say. But you don't know. And the chances are that you are mistaken.

                No. Rewarding, as a parent, is seeing your child face fear and conquer it, and make his/her way as an adult in this world. There is nothing rewarding in the death of your first-born.

                yes it struck a serious chord with me
                I am only human after all

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                  sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  OMG, I am sorry for you loss.  sad  I actually mean this with the my most sincerity. 
                  With Love,
                  Sandra

                  1. wyanjen profile image89
                    wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    AW you struck a serious chord with me too. I hope that you may be able to see this from a different perspective someday. How you grieve your child is not how I grieve my child. It is not right for you to be offended by this if you can't accept that you offended us as well.

                2. LiamBean profile image89
                  LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I really am sorry to hear that. I have never lost a child, but I have certainly lost members of my family.

                  Still, his opinions are his own.

                  AND YOUR LOSS GIVES YOU NO SPECIAL PRIVILEGE.

                  Anyone living on this planet long enough will experience a death that is almost too hard to bear. I know!

                3. Paraglider profile image88
                  Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I am sorry for your loss. I also regret that you took offence at my post. However it was not clear until many posts later that you were talking about yourself. I also lost a son, and your position that such a loss could be some kind of blessing struck me as wholly misguided, and still does. I was not rude to you yet you jumped down my throat.

                  1. LiamBean profile image89
                    LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    More sorrow and loss. I am sorry to hear this Paraglider.

                    "None of us leave this earth alive." This is my solace.

                    I will "cherish" my own loss by keeping it to myself.

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                    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Holy Moly, you too Paraglider.  I am so sorry. 

                    I think both of you share the equal right to feel the way you need to feel to give yourselves some sort of comfort. 

                    A lady not far from here also lost her son last week.  He was almost 2 years old.  He died because his intestines exploded.  There was not way to know this.

                    Again, Para. I am sorry for your loss.  In this case, to each his/her own.

                    With Love,
                    Sandra

            2. LiamBean profile image89
              LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Oh I remember that.

              She said you twisted her words. What twisting was involved? I didn't see any.

              You simply stated what probability theory was and that the existence of a god, by that theory, was unlikely.

              I don't think her response qualifies as an insult, but her reaction was very strident and high-pitched. Way beyond what I would consider appropriate.

              1. Paraglider profile image88
                Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Liam - please don't take this amiss, but I would say that to describe any woman's response as 'strident and high-pitched' is actually more insulting than to describe it as 'insulting' - because the former has distinct sexist overtones, which the simpler 'insulting' does not.

                1. LiamBean profile image89
                  LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I've heard men become strident and high-pitched. I've also seen men referred to as "hysterical" more often than women, though the word has it's roots in a strictly female part of the anatomy.

                  There is no sexual overtone here.

                  1. Paraglider profile image88
                    Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I know. We're just wringing out the rags  of a pointless thread for every last drop of the milk of human grindstone... wink

  12. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago

    Basic moral tribal codes were around thousands of years before Christianity was invented.  Many of the ten commandments were just basic rules to avoid conflict among groups of people everywhere.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks.  smile

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Try to explain this to those who believe man was created only a few thousand years ago.  Sigh!

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And look what happened ! lol

    3. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They date all the way back to Sumerian culture. You can even find "eye for an eye" and "tooth for a tooth" in their laws. That's 8,000 years ago. Long before Judaism, Christianity, or Islam.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I am an avid amateur archaeologist with a very respectable collection of Native American artifacts I have collected from this area.  Finding and holding in your hand a projectile point made 12,000 to 14,000 years ago tends to make one have a better grasp of our ancient ancestors.  They survived without the bible!

        1. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm heading back over to the Mark Knowles is owed an apology thread...you know, the original. This is just a diversion.

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          PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sounds mighty exiting, must say I have never had anything that old in my hand smile

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Not trying to push my hubs but there are pictures if you are interested.

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              PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Only on for like 10 mins as am cooking my dinner but I will deff have a look later tonight, my main interest is ancient Egypt !

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I would love to visit Egypt someday.

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          ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          At least they survived without the bible before Christians invaded their lands and killed mpst of them off wink

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Mhmm.

        i always wonder why, if Christianity is the One True Faith, it wasn't practiced from the dawn of Man.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Many believers think it was!

        2. atomswifey profile image69
          atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It was
          In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God.
          Jesus is the Word.
          So to that extent it was. Though it was not called that as the early believers in God did not know the messiah. The messiah had not come yet. And when He did they were blinded to Him. Some, not all.

          But we are over 2 billion strong now and growing.

  13. Luciendasky profile image77
    Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago

    Christianity was not practiced until AFTER the death of Jesus.

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      PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It actually was hotstuff !

      1. Luciendasky profile image77
        Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        it was practice after or practiced before? I curious to hear what you say, PG?

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          PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It was practiced before as they were waiting for him coming, bit like a bf of mine smile

          1. Luciendasky profile image77
            Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol... point taken, but wasn't that more Judaism?

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              PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Maybe I guess, you may have a point !

              1. Luciendasky profile image77
                Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I don't know PG, it is all semantics...

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    PirateGirlposted 7 years ago

    And that makes her different ?

  15. Pr0metheus profile image60
    Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago

    I never criticized her - I only explained to her why her methods piss people off.  So, no, I don't.

  16. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    1.    I know who the accuser of the brethren is ryan!

    2.    I have no problems with someone who disagrees with me and we exchange our beliefs back and forth

    3.    I know who I am and I am not the one who is causing controversy.

    4.    what the heck are you talking about?!!!
    I have not published any hub on any other site!!!!
    so the "previously published" is crap!!!!

    5.    slander is a vicious thing You lie!

    6.    why spout so much conflict about subject matter you know little to nothing about or even care to know about against people you do not know or even care to know about? You know what? you are not even worth this argument!
    I am not going to respond to it any longer!

    7.    I went to that myself and someone stole my hub !!!! I do not appreciate the accusation but I do appreciate you letting me know this about whoever did this!

    8.    Because I am a Christian? So what? Get over yourself!!!!

    Apologise for this BS MooseLike Behaviour?  There is no apology required here... What is more appropriate is.... well... It Speaks for itself... Doesn't it? hmm

    1. atomswifey profile image69
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No it doesn't but this does...

      "When I was an child,
      I spoke as an child,
      I reckoned as an child;

      when I became an adult,
      I put aside the things of the child.

      For now we see through a mirror dimly, but then face to face.
      Now I know in part, but then I shall know as also I was fully known.

      But now remains
      faith, hope, love,

      these three,

      but the greatest of these is love".
      -1 Corinthians 13: 11-13

      1. LiamBean profile image89
        LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Aw crap! Another "bleeping" sermon! Figures!

  17. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    This thread has all the makings of a soap opera. Pretty much like all the politics and religion threads.

    A thought just occurred to me, randomly. Or, it may have been divine inspiration.

    Atomswifey.
    Wife of Atom
    Atom = alternative spelling for Adam
    Adam = the first man
    Could it be... that we... are actually conversing here on Hub Pages with the original woman, Eve?

    ... I'm just sayin'...

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Could be, I have tempted her a few times!

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    i think this thread topic is tapped-out...http://i38.tinypic.com/35kshld.gif

    Dear God, please give me that hour back.
    Thank you.

  19. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    The story of 'The Little Ginger Bread Man' springs to mind here!

    Could someone please ask the baker to pick up his escaped Fruitcake and save the rest of us from having to witness it self destructing in the forums? yikes

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I've noticed that the "Mark Knowles is owed an apology" thread has been closed to reply.  I find that, uh, very interesting.

    I've been on this forum for almost 8 months, and have observed how the forum has changed.  It used to be that Mark would argue with a group of people who respected his viewpoints, and also the fact that he presented them with a debate...someone they could respond to and sometimes, rail against.  Both these believers and the "atheists" disagreed, but in essence, actually respected each other.  It took me a while to come to this realization...but that's the size of it.

    There are some serious letter vs. spirit/intent problems in interpreting personal attacks going on at Hubpages right now.  Also quite a few newer people, quite intentionally or because they simply may know no other way of being, 'gaming' the system.  Seems to me that the situation should be addressed for $ sake (yeah, uh, Mark?  Obvious.), among other community oriented issues sake.

    That's the soap opera, IMHO, as I see it.

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      PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They close most REAL debates to reply, why they call it a Forum is a joke !

  21. Luciendasky profile image77
    Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago

    PG, what was that you said about me on your post? Was that real?

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      PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes it was smile

      1. Luciendasky profile image77
        Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        wow yikes that is incredible!

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          BadCoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah was for over an hour, number 2 spot !

          1. Luciendasky profile image77
            Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            thanks for telling me... that is quite encouraging and I need it today

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              BadCoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You are the girl Lois smile hopes ya feel better soon !

  22. LiamBean profile image89
    LiamBeanposted 7 years ago

    Poor Maddie. I can picture her scanning forums and trying to shut them down before they get too inflammatory. I'm sure she has better things to do; that or her staff.

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      PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Surely that is their job ?

      1. LiamBean profile image89
        LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        "Community Manager" certainly must include monitoring forums, but I'd be willing to bet she's spending more time closing them down than "managing" them.

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          PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Not really I have only seen about 6 closed to reply out of say the last 1,000, but on saying that the other 994 were so boring you probably missed them.

          1. LiamBean profile image89
            LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hmmm. I've participated in three of those that were closed.

            I honestly don't know why this one is still going and the original was shut down.

            Does Mark Knowles NOT deserve an apology?

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              PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No he doesn't the Forums are a place for an open debate, you post your views and as soon as you do they are there to be shot at. Me, I post my views and I really don't care what anyone says to be honest. I don't actually think Knowles would want an apology, why would he as he is one of the most sarcastic and ignorant person on here.

              1. LiamBean profile image89
                LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Sarcastic? Yes.

                Ignorant? No. Not by a longshot.

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                  PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Your view, deff not mine but I respect your view.

                  1. LiamBean profile image89
                    LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    And yet atomswifey continues to deserve an apology, though she never apologizes herself, and Knowles does not.

                    Interesting!

  23. Luciendasky profile image77
    Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago

    smile

  24. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Oh PLEASE!!

    Stop justifying all the time... turning it all around... and Denying any wrong doing AW.

    You Are Merely demonstrating Manipulative and Compulsive behaviour.  Take responsibility for your actions and your incredibly ignorant social skills.

    This life is NOT all about you or What YOU believe..WGAS!

    You get what you give and reap what you sow. 
    The wonderment of listening is critical to the art of communication. From what I have seen your skills and self esteem are lacking greatly.

    If you are genuinely interested in soap-boxing; Then you need to improve your personna.  Thanks for asking how I could help you; in short I think you need to help yourself on the above points! hmm

  25. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Pearldiver,
    Dissociating the intended subject (AW) of your comment, what you say here is spot on and applicable to so many hubbers! It would make for an excellent tutorialon how to (vs. how not to) be a successful forum thread poster.Or hubber for that matter.
    You called it.
    Zing!
    MM

  26. Luciendasky profile image77
    Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago

    Agree with you PG, there is freedom of speech... and freedom of religion and so I suppose there is freedom of speech about religion, but I still think that AW takes it too far in that she often just outright rude to people.

    1. atomswifey profile image69
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      when and where?

      1. Luciendasky profile image77
        Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I would validate this with a response, but I have seen so many other people do it and you manipulate the crap out of it, so I would rather not waste my time, thank you.

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          cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          [/i]

          *nods meaningfully

          wink

  27. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Why answer someone you don't care how he thinks ? I wonder....

  28. Luciendasky profile image77
    Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago

    nonetheless, the freedom of speech things shows that no one needs an apology

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why oh why do people posting here assume they have the "freedom of speech" here? You don't. Read your contract.

      If that were true forums would not be shut down. Think about it.

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I didn't read anything. I'm blind to censorship

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        wink  The right to freedom of speech also does not mean what some people take it to mean.

      3. Luciendasky profile image77
        Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        In that case, you are right - AW should apologize to Mark Knowles because she is rude... but there has been so much additional "negative" things said because these forums opened than now either everyone should apologize to everyone else and our forums will be about apologies forever, or everyone should just move on and forget about it... these public apologies with people apologizing for others is ridiculous. If someone needs to apologize they should do it privately and not because they were "forced" to do it

        1. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I believe the original intent of the "Mark Knowles Deserves an Apology" was to draw him out again. mdawson said as much at the beginning.

          mdawson is no fool. He realizes that Knowles keeps forums and topics going. This is good for hubpages...and you if you think about it.

  29. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Well isn't that just amazing (and Not an Act of God) You; for the First time 'graced me' with a reply! So perhaps the 'ignorance' that I referred to earlier.. Was merely Rudeness!

    DO NOT Quote Scripture to me AW! You waste your efforts.

    You May Well Find that I am More Conversant with same than you know!

    Like Others; I do not appreciate self righteous and condescending dribble from anyone! Negative parties included.

    You seek respect; yet lack it in yourself (which is very sad).
    You seek attention; yet lack the ability to be seen.
    You seek equality; yet you place yourself above those you do not know.
    You seek a life of service to your Lord; yet you are unable to create a tranquility amoung your peers.

    Get some Help... Get some honesty... Get some Humility and you may get some respect that will lead you to understand wisdom.

  30. Luciendasky profile image77
    Luciendaskyposted 7 years ago

    That is true Liambean... Mark Knowles is good for keeping things going.

  31. yoshi97 profile image89
    yoshi97posted 7 years ago

    As I have stuck up for Mark Knowles right to be here, I also back up Atoms Wifey's right to be here. There can be no debate without those who are willing to make the discussion.

    While both parties have raised the dander of many, they have also both offered a lot to be considered. Positive or negative, take it as you see it, both have given to spirited debates which gave us all causes to take sides on and feel important about.

    I did not apologize to Mark in the other thread, as I never chastised him. I will not apologize to Atoms Wifey, as I have not chastised her either. What I will say is that one has as much of a right to survive as the other in this forum, and that both offer a unique and polarized perspective that for many brings out the heart of the religious debate.

    I think we all miss an important point ... no one would spread the word of God if we all believed and accepted it. After all, what would be the point? Do we all debate the existence of the very air that we breather?

    On the other side of the coin, no one would stand against God unless they felt there were things that happened which made them believe blind faith could prove a hazard. Would you walk into a burning building if I told you the fire wasn't really there?

    We all need something to believe in, and we need doubt to constantly examine those beliefs. Mark and Atoms Wifey represent these two polar characteristics, and without either one balance is lost and the argument runs astray.

    So, I apologize to neither, but I do subscribe to the fact that both have a purpose in the religious forum ... a purpose we all might not share a liking for, but a purpose nonetheless.

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well said...very well said.

  32. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Umm I think that no one should apologize for expressing their opinion about politics, religion, etc. But personal attacks shouldn't be allowed. I'm glad HP has that rule. We aren't five years old, ya'll need to grow up. What do you get from calling someone you don't even know, online, a name? Nothin. So have some self respect, discuss like adults, and if someone can't follow that, let HP handle it and... don't take it personally.

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Personal attacks are what should prompt an apology.

      I see it this way; if we didn't feel strongly about our beliefs personal attacks would be unlikely. But by the very same token one should be able to "cool off a bit" and realize that a personal attack requires an apology once reason again prevails.

      Should one apologize for their beliefs? Never!

      Of course, that does not mean I want them rammed down my throat either.

  33. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Why personal attacks at all? We're typing our responses. It isn't like someone blurts out a bad word. You type it... hopefully read it over... and then decide to hit Submit.

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Good question.

      Define "personal attack" though. I'm sure some here see "personal" in what others of us see as general opinion.

      I can think of many examples.

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Lots of them!! Anyway 'personal' attack should be dealt with individualy. Aren't we grown ups ? Or this is prep and I didn't notice? yikes

  34. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    One should not have to apologize for their beliefs; but what they do with them is a different mater all together.

  35. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Personal attacks

    "Substantive debate and differences of opinion are okay.  Name-calling, insults, threats, and passive-aggressive references to other users with whom you disagree are not. "

    Pretty clear to me.

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Clear to you I'm sure. Others? Not so sure.

      1. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Then they need to go back to kindergarten and learn how to follow directions.
        If it is a "personal attack" meaning you are talking about the person. Then it isn't allowed. Why is that so difficult?

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You get it because you are smart and decent, Cole.  Some are not interested in the directions.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Absolutely.  And also, therein, my point about gaming the system.  The language needs to be spelled out very clearly.

        Also, I believe there to be a size/staffing problem.

        1. blue dog profile image81
          blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          more overhead equals less profits.  the skeleton crew will remain, with numerous "police" in place throughout the forums.

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Having a different opinion is not personal. Substantive debate either. What it makes it personal is, personal agressions ,and you don't need name-calling or insults to get personal with someone in a debate.

  36. zadrobi profile image60
    zadrobiposted 7 years ago

    I'm sorry.

  37. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    I've been called a stupid little girl, dumb girl, a racist, and been told that I put myself at risk for getting raped. Those are personal attacks. I seriously could care less, I don't know any of you personally, so it is hard to take comments personally.  However, if I was someone who was offended I could have reported it. The men who made those comments have gotten in trouble for various things. I don't see fault in the system. I see fault in the people who can't grow up and have a conversation without making it a name-calling match.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      wink  I see both.

      1. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No system is perfect. And HP has been willing to listen to ideas. Just as no person is perfect, they should probably just follow the rules, and if someone slips up (which happens) they just learn from their mistakes.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    This is interesting:

    http://hubpages.com/hub/American-Fascis … nt-1659785

    About the current political/verbal 'tone' in the US, of which Hubpages presents a microcosm.

    There is such a thing as a sociopath (as well as all other derivations of rule breakers)...and they appear online as well as in real life.  This is just a new medium.  Society has always had rules to deal with these individuals.  That's what law is supposed to be about...and laws are continually defined and redefined in exact language.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I added.  smile See above.

  40. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    I guess HP just assumes we're all adults and they don't have to spell out every single little detail and constantly monitor every single person and situation.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hmmm.  No.  It is probably more of a business issue, to be honest.  lol, wink.  From what I've heard.

      Anyway, I was just reading that defamation cases are being won against those who commit such acts on the internet.

      And maybe you don't know, but some here (I'm actually not the most targeted...at ALL) are being besieged with nastiness almost daily in the form of personal e-mails, and nasty attacks on hubs.  Its almost a daily occurrence for these guys.

      1. tksensei profile image60
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So people had better watch what they say to YOU, right?

        1. Colebabie profile image61
          Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Really?

          1. tksensei profile image60
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sounds like. Can't be too careful.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Calling multiple people a "bitch," a "hag", or stalking their hubs leaving nasty remarks is inappropriate behavior.

      2. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well I have my account set so I don't receive e-mails, but I understand that if that is what someone wants it sucks to have it ruined by someone. There is obviously a difference between someone calling someone a name in a forum and someone who comes at you from all angles and is consistent with their attacks. Whether or not it is a business issue, obviously I have no idea. But I just wish people would stop being so serious. It makes me wonder what people are like outside of HP.

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      they shouldn't assume. they should know. eventually each on of us will sort personal attacks in the best form possible. and if not, That's their problem. So I ask what's the problem? Don't we in real life name people and curse and offend and are we not offended and cursed as well ? yikes  Big deal !!

      1. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Not in my life.

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Wonder woman !

  41. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    @ lita sorensen

    'Anyway, I was just reading that defamation cases are being won against those who commit such acts on the internet.'

    Is this a threat ??

    1. Colebabie profile image61
      Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Again, really?

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Idon't know. I'm asking lita. are you lita's alter ego ?

        1. Colebabie profile image61
          Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          TK asked the same question. Just because she makes a statement its a threat? It was just a general statement.
          And nope, no alter ego. I have too much stuff going on to manage two accounts.

          1. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What I post was pure irony

            1. Colebabie profile image61
              Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It wasn't irony, it was just coincidence. smile

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol So you are not only wonder woman ,but a mind reader Wow ! lol

                1. Colebabie profile image61
                  Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  TK posted something, you posted the same question. That is a coincidence. That was all I'm saying. It has nothing to do with reading your mind.

                  1. tantrum profile image60
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I wasn't talking about tk. Never mind ! crossed thoughts lol

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes.  For instance, calling someone who is in the public sphere a 'racist.'  It could be damaging to their professional reputation.  They have a case for defamation of character. 

        This is common practice in other publications all the time.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      General information.  I have feeling, anyway, you are a kid.

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you're right. just out of prep school big_smile I'm very ignorant and stupid and selfish and proud and a lot of things. Thank you ! lol

        1. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Good for you. Really! big_smile

      2. tksensei profile image60
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That sounds like a personal attack.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    From an article I read:  "People have the right to free speech," explains Matt Zimmerman, senior staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which defends digital rights.  "But they've never had the right to defame someone.  They still don't."  The general rule is that you can be held responsible for spreading false statements that hurt someone's reputation, whether you post them online, publish them in a newspaper, or whisper them at a cocktail party.

    It goes on...

    I'm aware of this, I guess, because I studied journalism and now work in PR.  We had to take a few Journalism Law/Media classes like that...

    1. Colebabie profile image61
      Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Of course. I have seen/heard of this as well. For me, it is important to separate internet from my real life. I know it is for other people as well. But I understand that if you decide not to do this you still don't deserve to be called something you are not and risk defamation.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I'm a real life writer using my real name.  Publication is publication.  I don't see the dichotomy between online or print publication.

        1. Colebabie profile image61
          Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I understand. I know that this site is more of a job and a bigger source of income than it is for me.

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No...I don't make much money at all at Hubpages.  I just enjoy writing here.  I've been writing since I was about 12, really:  avocation.  But, yeah, it is also my profession currently.

        2. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry ! I won't say anything to you anymore then. I will leave you alone as you're a real life writer, which I'm not smile

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That's a silly assumption, Tantrum.  I think you just misinterpreted something long ago that I said on that poetry thread.

            All I remember saying is that two languages were similar, and that if you are interested in poetry that is written in Spanish, Teresa McGurk writes in both Spanish and English and would be a good person to talk to.

            1. tantrum profile image60
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I was trying to be polite. peaceeee!!!!

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Oh!  Well, all I was saying is the same.  (See how misinterpretation works? lol)  And seriously, Teresa's Spanish poetry is really good.

                1. tantrum profile image60
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  mine as well smile

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      thank you! I will keep this in mind

  43. Pr0metheus profile image60
    Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago

    Let this thread drop, please!  You're all just feeding the fire.

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    BadCoposted 7 years ago

    Just out of curiousity, did atomswifey get an apology ?

    1. LiamBean profile image89
      LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A "Mark Knowles" style apology or another kind?

      I don't think so. Where is she anyway?

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        BadCoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Dunno but I thought this is what this thread was about, an apology from the free thinkers. Was this a HubGroup founded and if so why didn't I get an invite ?

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Those certain ones just love to think there is a big US VS THEM.  A lot in their minds.

          1. tksensei profile image60
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            There are certain ones who think certain things in certain ways that certainly have certain conclusions.

            I'm certain.

        2. LiamBean profile image89
          LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It was started by one of her pals. Nicomp to be specific. And in response to another thread started to apologize to mark knowles...which is now closed.

          Cute, no?

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            BadCoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I think I might become a Religious fanatic, she gets more attention on this site than anyone.

            1. LiamBean profile image89
              LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Blessed be the pirate woman who shall verily go forth and smite the silly and self-important.

              Go...go, and be fruitful. Or something like that.

        3. Sufidreamer profile image81
          Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Might be the Irish accent, BC - you must have thought the invite said 'Three Tinkers,' a Celtic-Mariachi trio currently taking Belfast by storm big_smile

          I'll get me coat - I tink I was in Cork for too long neutral

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            BadCoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Lol I only just read this Sufidreamer, this deff gets my vote as one of the classic comments, loved it smile

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    BadCoposted 7 years ago

    Lol something like that smile

  46. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    This is still going on?

    1. Paraglider profile image88
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No. It ended 29 posts ago. The last 28 are purely imaginary...

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Lita says you write good poetry in spanish. Maybe you can send me acouple by e-mail, and I send you mine. I'm a spanish writer. smile

      1. Paraglider profile image88
        Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        UW too? I think Lita said Teresa McGurk.
        Or have we unearthed another alter ego?? (joke!)

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You're right! Well i mistook two good writers! Sorry smile

    3. nicomp profile image59
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol. You get so much done with so few words. clap clap clap.

  47. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I do? smile Must be Teresa smile

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol sorry. My bad lol

  48. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I posted this in another thread...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiGPQVUJqq0

  49. yolanda yvette profile image60
    yolanda yvetteposted 7 years ago

    Atomswifey, check your email.

  50. Paraglider profile image88
    Paragliderposted 7 years ago

    Thanks, Liam & Sandra - coping with death is simply part of the human condition, something that I think is more perfectly understood in the Buddhist tradition than any other.
    http://www.buddhamind.info/leftside/art … z/kisa.htm

    1. Pearldiver profile image87
      Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Paraglider... proud to know you. Sorry for your loss. Thank you for your wisdom. smile

 
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