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there IS no God, ok?

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    NO God would champion religions that are populated with spectators instead of practitioners who are smug about their beliefs and who wear their faith like a "Members Only" badge.

    NO God would allow famine-stricken nations with children crying out in their suffering, their mothers' hearts breaking, their fathers desperate, to exist on his so-called creation.

    NO God would permit little children to be kidnaped, raped, tortured, beaten, abused, or to live in fear.

    NO God would look the other way when animals suffer the most unimaginable torment and fate at the hands of the creatures he supposedly gave them to - Man.

    NO God would give a book to the world so chock-full of conflicting content and glaring inconsistencies - It would be perfect, like God.

    NO God would make Man jump through hoops to please him, then punish him anyway for a tiny thing like looking back.

    NO God would give his "children" innate characteristics and traits, then punish them for acting on those traits.

    NO God would command his children, or instill fear in them.

    signed,
    the world's newest atheist.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      All of the past gods have allowed these things to happen.  Not much use to us, are they?

    2. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If man had just began life on earth, and his relationship with God had just begun, then we might be better equipped to understand. We might be better equipped to dictate to God what our requirements are. However he has been trying to convince us that we are not everything that we suppose that we are.

          We are entering into the argument that man has been making with God way late in the day.  We read the last page of a book and condemn the whole concept of the book  ???

         And we do this, not for the content of the book but, for all of the revues of the book that we have seen and heard.

          Don't turn your back on God because his fan club sucks.
          I know that I have told my children that if you know better go for it, but don't blame me when it flies back in your face. 

         Does that mean that I do not exist or that I did not love them when I let them go in their rebellion?

        If I were new to my belief and was searching for answers, I do not think that I would find them in the mountains of interpretations being pushed by religiosity.

          There is a Truth and no one can give it to you.
          Do not jump on anyone's band wagon.  Listen to the music but don't jump on the wagon.

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        if you knew me at all, you would know jumping on bandwagons is not my style. thank you for your eloquence, however.

    3. nikki1 profile image60
      nikki1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My dear.. I for one am a Christian. I believe in the spirit of God. He fought for us. As well as his son. Jesus. On the Cross. I also believe in the bible. I feel for you to believe in this.
      God doesn't want his people to suffer. He wants us to succeed and brush our fears away, come together to figure out a way where no one suffers. I for one am a born again. He asks all of us to help one another. He gives us the tools so we can do what we need to do. He is only a spirit. He gives us strength so we can achieve our what ever. I for one recommand everyone listen to God/Jesus spirit.
      haveagreatday..
      nikki1
      Also, if you go to church ask a minister this. And see what he says. The issues you mention hurts God more than you know. By going to church. Together you with Gods strength.. can help with the issues you mention. That is why we have church/ community outreach in your town.
      I also forgive you for bashing God spirit.

    4. LEFT HAND OF GOD profile image60
      LEFT HAND OF GODposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Mankind had better get busy and repair everything in the opening post and stop waiting around for someone else to do it.

      Or, they can stand there an point fingers at someone who they do not know and do not believe in. Which is easier, instead of doing something.

      We should ask ourselves:
      "how many things do I say someone else should repair while I just stand there?"

      We should ask ourselves.
      "do I do all that I can to put an end to the evil I observe?"

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        don't you see that is why so many people don't believe in God? because they themselves couldn't just sit by and let someone beat the crap out of a sackful of puppies or an innocent child. and we are puny, weak, imperfect humans. God is like all powerful and everywhere and knows the beginning, middle and end of everything and does nothing. i am not blaming God for this world's ugliness - i ask why he has apathy for something he loves.

        1. LEFT HAND OF GOD profile image60
          LEFT HAND OF GODposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You said there is not a god, title of the topic, so mankind can repair everything then.
          No need to question someone you do not believe in and if there is a god, he does not answer to mankind anymore than a judge answers to you in his court room.

          People are apathetic, so ask them why they do nothing about evil, suffering and pain, forget about any god helping, see what you and mankind can do because they find fault with any supposed god.

          If there is a god, he might say "hey, you do what is in your power to do and anything you cannot do, I will do and until you do all you can do I will do nothing"

    5. nicomp profile image61
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Argument from incredulity.

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        actually this was not an argument, even though in your mind it does appear to be a logical fallacy. i was just expressing my feelings in response to some of the threads around here.

        1. nicomp profile image61
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Actually it is an argument, admittedly a weak one. When you start with "I don't see how", then you reach a conclusion based on your stated incredulity, you are making an argument.

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            nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this
    6. sannyasinman profile image84
      sannyasinmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are not the first person to make these statements, and you certainly will not be the last.
      The basic answer to your questions is "God does not do any of these things. We do it all ourselves. God does not interfere because we have FREEWILL".

      However, fuller explanations and individual answers to ALL of your questions, and many more, can be found in the "Conversations with God" books by Neale Donald Walsch. 
      Please note that these books have NOTHING to do with any religion.

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hmm.

        that sounds interesting. i will check it out. thanks very much.


        (heh, ralwus smile

      2. nicomp profile image61
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And if we didn't have the free will, they'd complain that we didn't have free will.

    7. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
      Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I know your are disappointed. I am too. But God aloud what we aloud. He gave us free will and dominion over this earth. He set the pattern, how we will manage we will have. He cannot change His Word. I you change your word (like let say promise) you might destroy yourself. God has to keep His World. God is not manager of this planet, we are.
      We vote for example president or congress. What we voted we have. God will not vote for us. He will not believe or love for us, we have to.

    8. megs78 profile image61
      megs78posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Cossette,

      What I want to say is not meant to be demeaning or rude, it is just something that is coming straight from my heart OK?

      Even if we did invent God, imagine what the world would be like if we hadn't?  You think the world is horrible now?  can you even fathom the horrors and unspeakable crimes that may be committed if there were no Higher Powers 'so to speak' to keep us in even a little bit of line?

      I know its hard to believe right now, especially when we are inundated with terrible happenings every moment of every day.  I know, I often question my faith as well.  But like my Grandfather once told me in my years of rebellion;

      "Megan, I believe because it gets me to heaven if there is one, and if there isn't?  well, I won't know the difference will I?  I'll be dead!"

      Though my faith is not based on a doubt that there is a heaven, it made me think all the same in ways that I had never thought before.  I hope this helps, because you seem to be hurting.  Take care,

      Megs

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        oh hey there! i'm not offended.

        no i am not hurting at all, seriously! just asking questions that have no answer.

        thanks for the nice comment.

    9. paulhunter profile image61
      paulhunterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Cosette, Cosette" clam down there!! If there was a god,and he spoke to you, would he say that he belonged to any club?
      Everyone says"god does this and god does that" but god cant do any thing without the help or hindrance of you and I. Kind,regards Love

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        i'm quite calm, actually. i don't know about my Christian brethren, however...

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          mikey9923posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          hey paulhunter ..did u just say that God cant do anything wituout our help...lllolll where did you get your info from

    10. dutchman1951 profile image61
      dutchman1951posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are right, no God would ever do this. But...
      There are Men and women, humans of power all over the world. Dictators, Presidents, Parliments, Kings, that are doing this every day. And "WE" as Humans are allowing them to.

      It is not right.

    11. Friendlyword profile image60
      Friendlywordposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Love
      I think you have God confuse with Religion. One has Absulutely nothing to do with the other. Religion teaches you fear and hate in the name of God.  GOD wrote his word on your heart. You know what is right and wrong and what is good and evil. You knew it from about the age of twelve. Just think! You are not gonna find GOD written on any page in any book.  You may find GOD again in the face of your first child or just looking up at the night sky. He's not in a book and he's certainly not in your logic. We being alive and spinning around out here in space makes no sense at all.  So just calm down, get to someplace quite and listen to GOD he's right there under your nose.
      http://hubpages.com/hub/A-Friendly-Word-on-Politics

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh! that's God? I supposed I caught a cold !

    12. rhamson profile image77
      rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Could it maybe be that all of these things that exist are there to inspire us to overcome them?  In the process could it happen that we learn to confront and cure them?  And maybe in the end it draws us all closer to each other?

      You cannot grow without doing something to make it happen.  Would it be better if God gave you everything and you would not have to work to change or understand anything?  I agree that the things you say are awful and my understanding of their existence is equally limited but is it Gods' will that they should be forever and always?

      1. David Bowman profile image60
        David Bowmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So, we should just have faith?

        1. rhamson profile image77
          rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          To quote a famous man "Faith without works is dead"

          1. David Bowman profile image60
            David Bowmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            To quote another famous man: “Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”

            1. rhamson profile image77
              rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this
            2. underhiswings profile image60
              underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

          2. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
            Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Exactly. The faith is active, it is action on faith. The work fallows the faith. When faith is wrong then work is wrong. When faith is right the action is right.  Vlad.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ahh, you surely do protest a LOT about a God you claim to not believe in!

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      ellie1142545posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And yet there are Christians being persecuted against because of this....If you were to meet me today, and started talking, you would never know if I were a Christian, unless you asked....We open up, when asked about our Christianity, but believe actions speak louder than words.....

      1. UpHisAss profile image61
        UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes - this is another truth teller. This one has never once started a conversation - ever. Always and only if she is asked. Well done. Excellent work. I will fight the persecution against you with all my strength. We need to fight, fight fight.

        Nothing about her beliefs here:

        http://hubpages.com/profile/ellie1142545

        Nothing -only love for her fellow man. No mention of her beliefs. Never once will she start the conversation - but - if asked - will humbly announce her beliefs - quietly.

        Well done - you Martyr you. Excellent work. Sorry you are persecuted when you never mention your beliefs.

        Be strong. I will fan you. Thank you for quietly believing and never pushing. Ever. Not one thread started. Ever.

        Powerful proof.

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          ralwusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          A half-wit gave you a piece of his mind, and you held on to it.

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            ellie1142545posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Talking to me?  I saw what he wrote, checked his site, and denyed him...So...What did I hang on to?

    15. Lovly2008 profile image60
      Lovly2008posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Might be a dangerous thing to say there is no God unless you can prove it.  As to your questions of why God allows so many things, consider that maybe God is showing us what life on earth is like without his presence, having "free will" and disobeying Him. There are many people like you in the world who dont believe and want their way. This is how life is when you get YOUR way.

    16. Real Estate Lady profile image60
      Real Estate Ladyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      God doesn't do all those things, sweetie. He gave us free will. And look at what we've done with it.

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        hey there. nowhere have i ever said God does these things. he just doesn't see them...but since he is omnipresent, he has to see them and more than that, BE there when they are happening. what if America and her allies had looked the other way when Hitler was in power?

        yes Man is brutal but he is also good and does what he can within his imperfect powers to right wrongs and seek justice. so why doesn't God who is perfect and almighty step in?

        (i know...i sound like a broken record)

        anyway you seem pretty nice. thank you for being so respectful!

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    zampanoposted 7 years ago

    There might be no God,
    but there sure are Godesses...
    Thank God.

    1. geminimoon profile image60
      geminimoonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL Blessed Be!!

  3. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    No God is no good, most of the time. Some feeble human beings need a God to keep on living. If there 's no God, they will have to live in fear. And we don't want that . Do we ? big_smile

    1. dutchman1951 profile image61
      dutchman1951posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Very Very True, this makes me think of John Lennon;

      "Immagine there's no conutries, its not that hard to do. Nothing to Kill or Die for, and no religions too."

      Fear and superstition starts it.

      Jon

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    zampanoposted 7 years ago

    I agree with you.
    "Nos quedamos mui esclarecidos"

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      oui, monsieur! big_smile

  5. Len Cannon profile image89
    Len Cannonposted 7 years ago

    Well, I'm glad we got that cleared up.

    1. C.V.Rajan profile image69
      C.V.Rajanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Haha!  I liked it!

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    PirateGirlposted 7 years ago

    Jeeeez let rip Cosette !

  7. kephrira profile image61
    kephriraposted 7 years ago

    maybe there is a God but Hes a bad God.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         Oh God !! lol Then he's no good big_smile

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        PirateGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nahhhh if he was that crap he would be writing Hubs.

    2. loveofnight profile image80
      loveofnightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      maybe there is a god and she's a bad girl

  8. yoshi97 profile image88
    yoshi97posted 7 years ago

    If God did exist:

    He would shake his head at those who professed their belief more than they proved it

    He would feel shamed as we spent money on needless wars ... money that could feed the famine stricken children of the world

    He would cry for the children that are kidnapped, raped, tortured, beaten, or abused ... as he would not be able to understand how his greatest creation could accomplish the most evil of acts

    He would be frustrated at how his words had been jumbled together in a book, lost in interpretations that are confusing, contradictory, and meaningless to his flock

    He would question why mankind continues to build monuments to him, and profess to know what he expects ... when all he asks for his tolerance

    He would wonder why his children fear him, as he never meant for them to fear his beauty

    ... and then he would walk away, ashamed that his own creation never understood their existence. And perhaps ... he would start anew elsewhere, distraught by how his first creation had missed his message and billed him to be an angry, vile, demanding being that is all about obedience - not love

    Ah yes, God does exist ... but he is probably God for another race now, as we squelched away all of our chances to prove we were worthy, as we grew more concerned with how to interpret his message to control others than we did to interpret it to make something of our own lives

    signed,
    one of the few who watched God as he departed

  9. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Why would he cry for our misfortunes? He knew everything before creating this universe. Remember ?So he couldn't be surprised.
    all the things you wrote  above, are some of the things why I stopped believing

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    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    I don't know Cosette, somebody cruel created the word 'lisp'. think about it.

  11. AEvans profile image71
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    Why is everything blamed on God? There are demons here too! If God made everything perfect there were not be any indifferences and everyone would believe in the same thing. God is not the cause of it all we the people can think for ourselves that is why we has given us minds. We know what is right and what is wrong do we not? smile

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No we don't. We learn. And by christian beliefs God ,who is all knowing, all almighty and all 'everithing ' is the creator of this world. so he's responsible. We are only the sheep in Jesus flock big_smile

      1. Waren E profile image60
        Waren Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Even though he's all knowing,he's not responsible, he gave us free will to think and to choose for our selves and also the understanding to know right from wrong,Let me ENLIGHTEN you if I shoved a hand grenade down your foolish mouths and blow each of you to smithereens,I alone would be responsible for that, the FBI and the CIA would be coming after me not after GOD,even GOD would be preparing a swift Judgment leading to a hot little corner in the pit of ever rising smoke and flames,everybody is gonna get whats coming for them, believe it or not,say what you will now but understand this!
        ___________________________________________________________________
        even "death and hell we suffer in this life" who's evil works are being blamed on God will also be destroyed {"Revelations 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the {lake of fire}. This is the second death."}

        First you say He does not exist /then you blame Him and say He is responsible!

        How does that work? How can you feel hate and dread for a being after saying it does not exist!

        Why care if he exist,what is your terror under the night sky,he gave you free will to choose Him or to choose everything else that seems better than Him, you are free to think freely...free thinkers!
        hating him is not going to help adjust your useless lives any better
        than it already is adjusted!

        If you're going into the darkness at least be proud and bold about it ,I know I would be if that was my choice, and stop making the Devil laugh at your senseless pussbag assumptions and comforts here on the forum ! 

        I REALLY hate cowards who beat around the bush,JUST SAY IT,SAY YOU HATE GOD AND THAT YOU WOULD HAVE NOTHING MORE TO DO WITH HIM, AND RELEASE YOURSELVES AND GET IT OVER WITH,NO ONE WOULD CARE,NO ONE, NOT EVEN GOD WOULD CARE,BECAUSE HE GAVE YOU {{{FREE WILL}}}SO WHY AGUE WITH CHRISTIANS,THEY WON'T CARE ONCE YOU MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!
        LOL LOL LOL LOL  LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!you LAMERS!lol LOL LOL!........................loL

        FEEL MY MEANING YET YOU SAD PAGANS!!?!,!??!!

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          'First you say He does not exist /then you blame Him and say He is responsible!'
          I meant you believers think that, of course !
          and i don't hate God, as I can't hate something that doesn't exist
          And who's full of hatred here? It looks as you are, shouting in caps. Listen to yourself!!! So childish!  lol lol

    2. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
      Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They must blame somebody except themselves. But God loves them anyway. He said he will forgive their offenses of Him.
      It is not necessary also prove He is. Proof will not save anyone. Faith will. Vladimir

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    zampanoposted 7 years ago

    tantrum
    You're a real believer
    hehehe

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well I sure believe in your fruit terrine or whatever it is that in your avatar! lol

  13. Pr0metheus profile image60
    Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago

    Sure there is.  But he's not all good - because good is a subjective term - and he's certainly not human.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol so what's the point of a bad god. Is that what you believe ? Weird !!!  lol

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    it looks like cranberries...

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      yes Prometheus beliefs are very fruitful lol

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    you're so funny.

    wicked, but funny smile

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    zampanoposted 7 years ago

    it is a DIVINE strawberry pie.

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    oOo...that sounds delicious.

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    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago

    Where do I begin to explain God to someone who does not know Him?
    First a foremost we must try to understand Isaiah 55:7-9 7"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
    I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want to serve a God I completely understand.

    1)Religion has nothing to do with God. "Jesus is the most influential person who has ever lived. The difference between Jesus and religion is that Jesus is God's way to reach man, and religion is man's way to reach God." unknown No Religion will get you to heaven NONE The answer is Jesus Christ John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." It’s an exclusive group anyone can join. Even you!

    2)People are starving because we are not feeding them, you're blaming God for a problem WE created and some governments have the means to feed their people, but they are corrupted by power and would rather let their people starve. We have free will and there are very sick people who don't really know God who do these acts, so why do you blame God for the actions of free men? Christians and others give to starving nations daily. What have you done to help the problem besides complain and blame God?  We call these people evil, But if there is no God  good and evil are subjective, but the only say what is bad because you know what is good, but if there is no God raping, killing  is no different then giving to poor or helping your fellow man. You can’t borrow God for morals and blame when people don’t follow God’s ideals. Believe it or not we have FREE WILL. If God did not give you free will and you were forced to obey Him this forum would not exist.  If you really want to follow atheism where it really leads I’ll show you your future in two words Friedrich Nietzsche.

    3)We are in a falling state since the original sin of Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:22”For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” Before the flood nothing ate meat because the world was perfect. Genesis 1:29-30 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
    After the Flood, we could eat meat Genesis 9:3 “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.” ie no red meat(which is also a medical fact) and no cannibalism.

    4) Regarding the bible If you don't know God how can except to understand His Word?

    5)The old testament show that God does not tolerate sin, the new testament shows how you can escape God’s wrath(that’s why atheist tend to refer to the old testament always because if they stay atheist that’s all they’ll ever know of God is His wrath).  We all deserve His Wrath(Romans 3:12,Romans 3:23). Have you ever lied? That’s make you a liar.(Revelation 21:8 )  Have you ever stolen anything? That make you a thief.(1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ) Have disobeyed your parents? Have you hated someone? That make you a murderer.(1 John 3:15 ). You show me a good person I’ll show you a liar. The wage of all sin is death. BUT even though we are ALL sinners, God loves us  so much He came to earth as Jesus Christ to suffer and die for ALL of our sins. All we gotta do is repent ie turn away from our transgressions and trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. It’s simple ,but atheist still don’t get it “God uses the simple to confound the wise” It’s a free gift Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.  no "good" deed will ever be enough to repay God. You can't earn your salvation, no penance nothing the good works you see Christians do it not to earn anything it’s a natural reaction to being saved from hell and being the given the gift of everlasting life. This is the part atheist don’t seem to understand and God predicted you and people like you from the beginning of time. (1 Corinthians 1:18, 2 Peter 3:3-5)

    6)Those who fear God don’t know Him. I as believer am in utter awe of His perfect love and amazing power that has transformed my life and that is where all fear dies. I’m saved by the grace of Jesus Christ. I am a sinner I’ve lied, stolen, lusted, coveted I’ve broken all the commandants and I deserve Hell, but because God so loved the world he gave came to earth as Jesus Christ to die on the cross your all my sins and yours We’ll never be able to pay him back, my good works are a reaction to the grace I received from Jesus, I can never pay God back for what he has done for me. I’m free!  Praise Jesus Christ!!
    Last Question Are you saved?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKtWzZ_4IQ

    1. UpHisAss profile image61
      UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yay!!!!

      That should do it. Maybe some more Youtube proof would help. I am joining your fan club right now - you are wonderful. Fantastic. !!

      The TRuth Hurts. Love it - you are very, very, very good. DId I say Good I meant God? Joining now. I hope - really really hope you will allow me to be your fan.,

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        i don't know why that's funny big_smile

        i will read thetruthhurts' fabulous post and respond in a bit.

      2. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I sure hope he allows you to join his fan club.  I've never observed anyone pee their pants on here before!

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You don't amuse me.

        1. UpHisAss profile image61
          UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Does that mean I cannot be your fan? sad

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            thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I cannot accept praise from anyone, the only recognition I want is from Jesus Christ on the day of His return, because I’m simply doing what He has laid upon my heart to do. I don't know what kind of game your playing, but if you really want to know about Him I'll be more than glad to tell you how I came to know Him and Why I know He is.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOJByUoU9yY

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      actually, i was a practicing Catholic throughout my childhood. i had what i felt was an intimate knowledge of God and i loved Jesus and believed him to be the Son of God.





      why not? what is wrong with being understood? doesn't that being children closer to their parents? the only ones who need mystery, smoke and mirrors are illusionists and street preachers. and why does the bible assume people who don't believe are wicked?




      i was a humble servant of the Lord when i was a child and teen and never lorded my religion over nonbelievers or made them feel small or outcast because they didn't believe as i did. "religion has nothing to do with God"? that's like saying pregnancy has nothing to do with sex. the two are inseperable!





      i am not blaming God. i am questioning whey he looks the other way. i wouldn't look the other way if i witnessed that. i would do everything in my power to stop it! and since he has powers greater than a thousand Supermans, why do nothing?




      i am not talking about eating meat. i am talking about animal abuse, do you not know the difference?





      there you go again, assuming ALL non-believers are ignorant of scripture, or don't know God. it's so easy to paint people into corners with labels, isn't it? i am SPIRITUAL but i don't believe in the Christian depiction of God...it's ridiculous. why not just say 'ok, that's cool' instead of 'you're going to burn in Hell' or whatnot. and it doesn't matter how good you are, how kind...if you are not "saved" you might as well forget about it, is that what you are saying?

      i have never hated anyone but even if i did, how would that make me a "murderer"?

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        1 John 3:15  “Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.” This is how I know you don't understand God's Word.
        There is no such thing as an ex Christian. Either you A)weren't really Christian then or you're B)not really and atheist now. I think you’re B
        When your parent told you not to do something did you always understand Why? And when you didn’t get you’re way didn’t you mad with them too?  It's the same way with Jesus.

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          cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          then why spell it out in the ten Commandments (thou shalt not kill). why not say 'Thou shalt not hate'?

          that is true, i do not fully understand the Bible - do you? there are scholars out there who study it their whole life and still don't fully understand it.





          gosh, thanks! roll

          for your erudition, i was very devout. do you know what that means? the problem with labels is they are too specific...we are all made up of layers in many shades of gray.





          ok. maybe YOU can tell me why your God looks the other way, or why he plays headgames with people. i really want to know! so far no one has ever answered this. is it because there in no answer?

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            thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I wrote a hub on the ex-Christian deal please refer to that.
            Let me get this straight you hate God for punishing Lot's wife for looking back(disobeying God) and you hate him for my punishing rapist today? How much sense does that really make? Everyone we face judgment. EVERYONE. You may think they're getting away with something, but they are not God cannot lie when he says He'll punish sins He will.(Revelation20;11-15)
            You must first FULLY submit(to a Christian submit means to go under the protection of God) to God and His will then and only then will you realize whose playing head games with you... it's satan.

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              cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              i am not going to read your hubs. please post any narrative in which i say i HATE God.

              please also post any content in which i commented on any discussion about "punishing rapist".

              i have no idea what you are talking about.

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                thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Pease tell me what is your feeling toward the God of the bible.  You inferred God allows rape I presume you want them to be punished, cause God cannot take away free will.

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                thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                If you won't read the answers to your questions why ask them?

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    zampanoposted 7 years ago

    it was...
    oh my! Here comes the flood !

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    smile

  21. Pr0metheus profile image60
    Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago

    wHen did I say he was a bad god?  I just said he wasn't good, because the term good is subjective.   He just is.   Thanks for the sarcastic insult on my beliefs.

  22. Maira818 profile image84
    Maira818posted 7 years ago

    haha! how ignorant!!. so, if there was a God then we would all be happy, happy, happy.... the reality of it is that there are evil things happening in the world, but as humans do not take responsibility, it is just easy to blame God for all.  hahaha ridiculous. 

    pull the plug on atheists

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Long story short. Amen!

  23. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 7 years ago

    If there were no God then "Raiders of the lost ark" would have been a real crappy movie.

  24. Cranoo profile image60
    Cranooposted 7 years ago

    Satan causes these things, only for god there would be NOTHING but suffering!

    1. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That would be the satan that god made, If you cannot see the madness in this you don't want too! :LOL:

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        .lol: lol Hi earnest !

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        ralwusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Haha, Earnest, god is love, but Satan is 30 and two sets to one up.

      3. humbledhomely profile image61
        humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        this madness you refer to - that is free will.
        satan, God's creation disobeys him through free will.

        but we all seem to want a perfect life where God controls all and makes thing good and good only, creating a place where evil does not exist, because it only exists through free will that God has allowed. Therefore God is at fault for giving man free will, and we'd be better off not existing or existing as puppets
        and robots.




        lol

        1. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          We will go on and on killing and destroying as long as closed minded people want to fight over who's god is right. It is simple. There is no god. smile

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    God permits wickedness. that is true. instead of asking me a question, please answer mine. why does he permit wickedness?

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I did several times Free Will and Everyone we face judgment. EVERYONE. You may think they're getting away with something, but they are not God cannot lie when he says He'll punish sins He will.(Revelation20;11-15)

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        oh

        well i am not going to look up your scripture.

        if you were walking down the street and saw someone kicking a sack full of puppies, would you try to stop him, or would you shrug and say 'they have free agency'?

        if you walked on and saw someone molesting a child, would you try to stop him, or would you shrug and say 'they have free agency'?

        do you see where i am going with this?

        1. humbledhomely profile image61
          humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          what if both persons had a gun?

          do you see what I did there?

          you can't expect to waltz through life and be a hero  without the consequences.

          the question is, does your mindset change when you consider them?

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            cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            if they had a gun????

            seriously???

            i would STILL intervene!!!!!

            and no my mindset does not change.

    2. Pr0metheus profile image60
      Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      especially if hes all good, all knowing and all powerful

    3. nikki1 profile image60
      nikki1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He doesn't like it either, however, he is a forgiving spirit.
      He is a loving spirit.

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    where did you answer? seriously, i'm not seeing it. this is not deliberate on my part. i don't play games like that...

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You seem confused do you not realize you and I are too wicked.

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        oh boy

        try to remember even as i am typing a response you are responding and we are overlapping each other!

      2. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Really ??? yikes lol

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          cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          bwahaha! big_smile smile

  27. dohn121 profile image87
    dohn121posted 7 years ago

    As a Buddhist, I believe that there is no God.  There is only suffering and a means to end suffering...

    What kind of loving God allows so much suffering in this world? The 6 million Jews during the holocaust, the over 20 million Russians under Joseph Stalin, and Pol Pot in what used to be Cambodia...The list goes on. What God allows helpless babies, like my friend's baby be born with her heart and lungs outside her body?  She's innocent!  Or other babies that are born without arms, legs, or eyes?  And please don't tell give me that old stand-by about how His logic is higher than ours or mine and that we just don't understand but must trust him.  That trick only works when I was 4.  I follow Buddhism because it makes perfect sense.  Where is the logic in Christianity?

    I urge everyone to read the Dhammapada to learn more about the teachings of Buddha.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler were all evolutionist who believed killing their own people would speed up the evolutionary process, and Hilter thought Jews were not evolved as the Germans and thus must be killed. That what you get when you take God out of Creation. Don't take my word look it up your yourself.

      1. dohn121 profile image87
        dohn121posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why would God allow this?  What about defenseless babies?  Where was your God then during this spell of mass murder and suffering?  Where was your powerful God that allows Moses to part the Red Sea, turn water into wine, and smite the Babylonians but cannot stop the sufferings of millions for millenias?  Answer the question, don't justify the acts of hatred of the few.

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          thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Why not? You use the evil actions of a few men dictate your belief in no God, If there is no God how do know killing is wrong is abortion wrong? Why? I know, but how do you know?

          1. dohn121 profile image87
            dohn121posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Again, YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION.  What kind of LOVING AND COMPASSIONATE GOD ALLOWS THIS TO HAPPEN?  Even as children, we know right from wrong.  When I was 5 I stuck my hand into the fire place and knew instantly that it was dangerous and hot and that I should not do it again.  What you are suggesting is that we be reminded of the atrocities in this world by sacrificing the innocent that harmed no one?  Karma can better explain this.  What does your God explain?

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              thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Define "innocent"?

              1. dohn121 profile image87
                dohn121posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                eg. Babies

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                  thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  babies go to heaven. They are are killed by actions of people who have feel will(women who are prochoice, abusive parent,poor nations) what part free will is not sinking in.

                  1. dohn121 profile image87
                    dohn121posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You are going off topic...Why does God allow them to be born so cruelly...Unlike you, I can answer this question.  What does your God say?

          2. dohn121 profile image87
            dohn121posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            By the way, did I do this?  You must have me confused with someone else.

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              cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              TTH did this to me also. i think they have canned responses at the ready and then just insert them here and there yikes

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                thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                What? Pleas explain. I answered your questions, but you won't accept the answers.

                1. Onusonus profile image88
                  Onusonusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh, the irony.

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                    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Do really want to start that up again. You deleted all the comments I made so no one would see I answered your questions. So please.

              2. dohn121 profile image87
                dohn121posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks for that before...Please read the Dhammapada!  It's great.  I try to read it everyday.  The Juan Mascaro translation is probably the best adaptation.  You da best big_smile

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                  cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  i will.

                  i am a seeker.

                  it's too bad no one understand this.

                  cheers. i have to go shampoo my hair.

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                    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Atheist means- NO GOD
                    Agnostic means-NO KNOWLEDGE
                    a true seeker is an agnostic, but you claimed atheism is your opening so which is it.

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              thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I answered the qustions in my first reply in this forum please refer back. You claim we get are morals from are parents, if that's what if our parents were immoral, my dad was. If there is a moral law there must be a moral law giver. If not moral law is subjective and I could kill anyone because those are morals as I view them.

              1. dohn121 profile image87
                dohn121posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Um...When did I make this claim?

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                  thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  "Even as children, we know right from wrong." Stop with word the games.

    2. humbledhomely profile image61
      humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Say, what if a chemical allowed multiple births to be mutated and go wrong.

      Is that still God's fault for allowing man to be intelligent and create useful yet harmful substances and releasing them into the environment without the public's consent?

      Was it God's fault that the United States did nothing when escapee Jews from concentration camps informed them about what was happening in Germany?

      Was it God's fault that Joseph Stalin assumed his role as dictator of Russia an ensue committing those horrid crimes?

      Maybe we should go back to the perfect days when God ruled us and we had no free will to do what we wanted, that way we could never do wrong with God pulling our strings.

      How does something make perfect sense in an imperfect world? Why can sense be perfect but the world cannot?


      You're right on one thing, the Dhammapada  explains a lot, and seems to answer your own questions in the process, and none of it blames God.

  28. humbledhomely profile image61
    humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago

    Why does God "look the other way" when things go wrong? Why do you bypass the real problem which is man, and blame everything on God?

    When someone murders a person, do you overlook that man with satan lurking over his shoulder and blame the death on God?

    What is with your infatuation with man, to believe that we are perfect, nothing we do can go wrong, and when wrong happens it must be none other than God?

    Why do you want God to hold your hand throughout your life, to clean up after all of your messes and pay attention to your each and every need and desires?

    And I'm glad you've gone to church and participated in a religion, but that doesn't mean you've known God. There will be people who are practically born in religion and the church and won't go to heaven  STILL.

    Sorry to be vague, in this world where you have to prove everything to make people believe you, where fact is simply one person saying something with anything he can call proof, and having other people "pass it on" in order to become "true", when fact is whatever we want it to be, as long as we're "right" tongue

    with God you need to seek Him for yourself and your questions.

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      actually, God never held my hand in life. and i asked him to in prayer. isn't that what we are taught - to pray?

      anything i got in life...i got myself. i stopped asking God to help me a LONG time ago.

      i am not infatuated with Man.

      i wonder why a perfect all powerful God sits and does nothing when people suffer. if you don't want to answer the question, that's fine. i am interested in expressing my viewpoint and listening to people with some answers, not to trade volleys with someone that go nowhere.



      going to the liberry tomorrow...thanks!

      1. humbledhomely profile image61
        humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh I see.
        You want God to answer to you why He lets man do whatever his wishes? As in, why does man have free will?

        Why do people suffer what?
        Hunger?

        Why not ask why Americans dump millions of food each year and how we contradict ourselves by actually housing homeless and poor people (excuse the recession period).

        Pain?
        War? Why one chooses to fight another battles (the leader) without knowing in full detail of the actual situation?

        Disease?
        As in why do people make money off other people getting and staying sick?

        Abuse? As to why our systems of justice are flawed and release the evil yet bring harm to the innocent? Or why the laws can't protect the people who don't have money to pay others to look "the other way"

        Mind you these are few examples, but I wonder...

        What is it do we suffer that we do not bring upon ourselves?, that is the question I ask if you actually want an answer, or just to find one that happens to suit you.

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          cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          nowhere do i say we are not responsible for what we are!!!!

          i don't need an answer to "suit me".

          i
          just
          need
          an
          answer.

          so far no one on this thread who believes in the Christian God can justify his apathy.

          1. humbledhomely profile image61
            humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What about the muslim god? Or the hindu one? Or the jewish one?
            why can't god be in all religions, as you've previously stated the two subjects are one in the same.

            The irony in that you state you don't need an answer that you want, is that there are many posts giving you answers and you're not satisfied.

            No, you don't want an answers, because that's what's already been given and will continue to be given.

            You want satisfaction, and maybe you'll find it, or maybe you won't.


            And if you do agree that we have brought upon us the suffering that we endure, why continue with this discussion.

            Please tell me something we don't cause harm to ourselves with, for that is the only thing or things that you can bring up to complaint with God for, no?

            For if man is to blame for what man suffers, why bother looking for sources anywhere else?


            I'm a bit to confused as what you're seeking. You want answers, but you've refused them so far. You agree that we are what we bring, yet look for the problem somewhere else.

            Tell me, instead of asking why God does what you say he does, what would you rather He do differently?

        2. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          AND ALL THAT IT'S YOUR GOD CREATION ! I'm really fed up now !! Goodbye ! sad

          1. humbledhomely profile image61
            humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            rofl
            can you be so serious?

            I'll assume you skimmed to protect you and prevent me from amusing myself.

            But let me remind you, I've just written things that man has done to man himself, and you've blame that on God, therefore you would agree if I were to say you'd rather be a robot than have the free will which has lead to what I've briefly described, no?

            Actually you have no say, your reply has made your decision for you.
            tongue

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Man is God's creation, so I blame man's doings to God. I suppose he knew what he was doing ?
              I'm happy I've amused you. As your so basic you're very easily amused! big_smile

              1. humbledhomely profile image61
                humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Oh come on, very great explanation I may say myself. You've impressed me, but to reach so low to prove yourself of something.

                So, let me get this straight, because God created us and we're such a mess, it's his fault?

                You're belittling yourself as well as you are I in order to prove something?
                sad

                1. tantrum profile image61
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  lol lol I'm not proving anything. And I can care less if you think I'm belittling me. Maybe i just want to be at your level. Trying to understand you. lol

                  1. humbledhomely profile image61
                    humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Try an English class and you'll be on a good head start lol

              2. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                'rofl
                can you be so serious? '
                lol joining your laughter

                lol I'm never serious, when I comment on silly posts

                1. humbledhomely profile image61
                  humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  sadly you've seemed to quote your own in the process, allow me to join you lol

                  1. tantrum profile image61
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol lol  You can join me if you like. And if I seemed to quote myself in the process,That's your view. Maybe you're short sighted lol

  29. ScarletRyan1970 profile image61
    ScarletRyan1970posted 7 years ago

    Oh! I respect your views cossette but i have seen too much
    muchhhhhhh freakyyyyy stuff in the Australian Outback not to believe that there is no God.I guess i am justttt goingggg
    to playyyyyyy it safeeeeeeee.

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      haha!! smile anyone can disagree i don't mind. that's what makes the world go 'round.

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      there IS no God,ok contrary statement,but yours nevertheless.

      Im inspired to create a post of my own , but theres already too many and I have a feeling it would only feed my procastination ,sigh, but if I did  it would read.

      If you think there is no God, why is He on your mind again? smile

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        *off topic* I remember that Xena show, it was good.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol yea the pic is from my pirate day last week, cept she was in my folder ,so out she jumped lol...

  30. Make  Money profile image71
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    "there IS no God, ok?"

    Nope

  31. hvsweetie profile image60
    hvsweetieposted 7 years ago

    While I often question the existence of God, I cannot say that it is not beneficial to first believe in God and his simple preachings and then later change your mind. Religion has taught us morality... and that's any religion - not just Christianity. Without morality, where would this world be?

    My religion is kindness.

  32. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 7 years ago

    Also job was speaking about rinosseruses, giraffes, serpents, and the Devil. still nothing pointing to Dinosaurs.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The word dinosaurs was invented in 1842 way after bible was written, but the animals were there.The Behemoth Job 40:15-24
      The Leviathan-Job chapter 41, Psalm 104:25, 26 and Isaiah 27:1
      tanniyn (dragon) =dinosaur

      behemoth= brachiosaurus

      Leviathan=kronosaurus
      keep em coming.

      1. Onusonus profile image88
        Onusonusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Doesn't prove anything, noone ever even thought of the big thunder lizards untill they were discovered by archaeologists. you still prove nothing.

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          thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol okay you still got some questions to answer!

          1. Onusonus profile image88
            Onusonusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            i already answered them twice. You just didn't accept the outcome.big_smile

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              thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              How many wives did Joseph Smith have?(give me the number) Is the doctrine and teachings for the practice of plural marriage still in your present-day LDS Scriptures Doctrines and covenants 132?

              1. Onusonus profile image88
                Onusonusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I can answer and answer, and answer and he still asks the same questions. Broken record.

                Now how did people get to the Americas? And give an answer directly from the Bible.

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                  ralwusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  All life's answers are on here aren't they?

                2. nicomp profile image61
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Strawman argument

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                  thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  come on man lolol what did you get all that straw?

                  1. Onusonus profile image88
                    Onusonusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    That is a strange sentence, can you back it up with the bible?
                    Still avoiding my questions? how ironic.
                    I wonder why? Oh yeah! It's because they are stupid ones. wink

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    hmm

    bitter

    obsessed with grammar

    now who could that be, i wonder. what with all these alter egos turning up these days...

    now, TheTruthHurts, i don't like labels. i consider myself a very spirutual person. i don't believe in your Christian god. i hope that explains it.

    and i am not asking your god to explain himself - i am asking you, his "followers", "disciples", "believers", however you want to be referred to, to explain it.

    1. humbledhomely profile image61
      humbledhomelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      pot calling the kettle black.

      lol

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    why not?

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I was trying to help, you "seeker", but nevermind then. Have a great day.

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    thank you, you "believer". you have a pleasant day also big_smile

    p.s. i don't see how dinosaurs could have been on the ark...two T-rexes, two Stegasauruses, etc. Then again i never understood how it had room for regular animals like whales, elephants, rhinos. etc...

    1. nicomp profile image61
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Argument from incredulity.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ever heard of babies, and why would water creatures need to be on an ark to survive a flood....of water?

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol  OMG, are you kidding?  This was a joke statement right...right?

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        well, Noah was tasked with snagging two of EVERY creature...i assumed that included sea creatures. so he took BABY animals?

        that is the first time i heard that. what verse is that part in?

        what about fresh water fish? how could they survive when waters flooded the earth, dilluting itself with salt water from the seas and rain?

        there are many ways sea creatures can die...certainly not from drowning. if it rained for forty days and forty nights, there would be no sunlight, which would kill off plankton. other things would be affected including sea temperatures, currents, PH, etc.

        what did those guys eat on the ark for forty days?

        what did the animals eat?

        where did they store all the food?

        So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth — men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air — for I am grieved that I have made them." Genesis 6:7

        what did the animals do that merited their death? they don't sin.

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          thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Genesis 6:20"Two of every type of bird, every type of domestic animal, and every type of creature that crawls on the ground will come to you to be kept alive."a lion and a house cat are different species, but are the same kind. Noah did not gather every species, Common sense. Why would any smart man carry the oldest largest creatures to re-populate the earth. Come on. Btw the math add up perfectly the current earth population if 8 people survived the flood as the bible states. Do you realize how big the ark was there was plenty of room for everything they needed. Why do you put animals on the same plain and humans God made man in His image to rule over everything on the land. 
          If your rotten neighbor and your favorite dog were both drowning which would you save? I would save the man no matter how rotten, because he was made in God’s image. What say you?
          Read the entire book of Genesis and you'll have your answers you seek, and I gave you a source with all the scientific evidence in favor of the creation account and the flood account(Answers in Genesis), but you refuse to look, what more can I do.

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            cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            hee hee smile

            better to paint me as a wounded soul than answer straight, thoughtful sincere questions with straight, thoughtful sincere answers.

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              megs78posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I take back the 'hurt' thing, and I am not praying for you and making you feel uncomfortable or weird right now.  Sorry if I misread your words, tis the brandy, as per Eaglekiwi...cheers smile

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                cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                no problemo smile

                that comment was directed to TheTruthHurts, not you.

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              thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              If I didn't see pain I would not have responded, if prayer makes you feel weird, imagine how Christians feel when we read your words, because we know the God you don't. I'm not fighting you. Goodnight Cosett.

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                cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                where do you get this stuff from? i never said prayer makes me feel weird. do you just make this up and then type it in?



                still waiting on that answer, i see.

                no one ever answers any questions. they just attack people who ask them.

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    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    Please dear god answer my prayer and protect me from your followers.

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      Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL!

  37. sannyasinman profile image84
    sannyasinmanposted 7 years ago

    If God did not exist, we would have to invent Him.

    1. R P Chapman profile image61
      R P Chapmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We did. Look at the fuss it caused! tongue

      1. sannyasinman profile image84
        sannyasinmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No, no. God does exist. I've found Him. Two days ago. I've hidden him in the cupboard at the top of the stairs. Promise you won't tell anyone. OK?

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    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    Hah! God must love stupid people� He made so many of them.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol cool

  39. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Cosette you have made a clear and accurate case against the bible and religion, I cannot argue with it.
    smile well said!

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      thank you Earnest!

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    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago

    I just say they got the wrong god or wrong idea or something, something just got them all mixed up.  Of course ya'll know my thoughts about his so called god. wink

  41. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    cosette wrote:

        NO God would champion religions that are populated with spectators instead of practitioners who are smug about their beliefs and who wear their faith like a "Members Only" badge.

        NO God would allow famine-stricken nations with children crying out in their suffering, their mothers' hearts breaking, their fathers desperate, to exist on his so-called creation.

        NO God would permit little children to be kidnaped, raped, tortured, beaten, abused, or to live in fear.

        NO God would look the other way when animals suffer the most unimaginable torment and fate at the hands of the creatures he supposedly gave them to - Man.

        NO God would give a book to the world so chock-full of conflicting content and glaring inconsistencies - It would be perfect, like God.

        NO God would make Man jump through hoops to please him, then punish him anyway for a tiny thing like looking back.

        NO God would give his "children" innate characteristics and traits, then punish them for acting on those traits.

        NO God would command his children, or instill fear in them.

        signed,
        the world's newest atheist.

    Any logical thinking person could not reason otherwise.

    The psychology is clear. Any god who wrote or behaved in the ways laid out in the religious tomes would be deemed psychotic.

    Religionists do not get the hurt felt by others when they claim that little children are tortured and raped because of the devil or, original sin, or whatever. All apparently god made!
    The human condition is the problem, and we are learning why... fast!
    Nothing to do with any man made gods, it is down to bad access to good brain chemistry!
    The human DNA is pretty badly made too and when the loonies  keep out of trying to stall science on "moral" grounds, DNA will be refined to promote the uptake of seratonin and dopamine to normal levels.

    Simple test:
    Take mdma and then sprout about your god!

    You will see the light again, only this time with your brain working more like it should!
    Religionists will not take drugs! They are immoral.
    The truth is they take them all day unknowingly, and the prescription drugs they take are mostly dangerous, but they have an excuse not to learn. It's called the bible. smile

  42. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    If that is the case then your god is a fool! smile

    1. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
      Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I just wander who is really fool.

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well wonder no longer. smile

  43. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Oh hell I forgot why I came again lol ( slaps side of head) ,waves hello and heads back out for a cheeseburger smile

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol I know huh.  I just stop by for the laughs. smile  Have a cheeseburger for me. I am friggin hungry but cannot satisfy my appetite plus I got this migraine like head ache that wont quit.

      I bet a cheeseburger would make it all better.  Pickles, tom and cheese only please. big_smile

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ohhhhh I hate those kinda headaches ,sigh's, I only seem to get them when tiredness and chemicals hit(food) at the same time,boom , friction on the nervous systems....throw in noise and idiots Im a strong contender for violence lol...

        2 cheeseburgers comin up and a lime shake wink

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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you! I never had a lime shake before but it sounds like it could be good. smile

        2. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey! Easy on the cheeseburgers! I only came to hubpages to ogle your bodies! smile

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            sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol, virtual cheeseburgers only have like 0 calories.  They are the new in thing. smile

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
              Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Some fantasies can make ya fat lol

            2. earnestshub profile image89
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Oh boy!!! Gimme 5 with double cheese, I'll get the coffees and soft drinks! lol

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                sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah, you know what screw 2.  I want five too!  http://images.chron.com/blogs/whitehouse/archives/cheeseburger.jpg

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                  Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  lol you beat me do it lol

                  ps. Shall I say grace or you ? wink

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                    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Well our traditional family grace was "rubba dub dub thanks for the grub, Amen."  It drove my mom nuts! big_smile

  44. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I see no hurt, just an honest response to the many posts that state that there is a god. smile

    1. megs78 profile image61
      megs78posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      hmmm, I see a little bit of hurt in her words, but maybe I'm off tonight...I did have a brandy before supper...oh yeah and 2 glasses of shiraz, damn, maybe I'm too drunk to be giving advice wink

  45. R P Chapman profile image61
    R P Chapmanposted 7 years ago

    ssshh, we're ordering cheeseburgers! tongue

  46. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Ok that was wrong

    http://pakistanifoodrecipies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/banana-lime1.jpg

    http://www.zvents.com/images/internal/4/5/4/0/img_170454_primary.jpg



    I opologise to readers if these pics are offensive ,they are not necessarily the views of the company lol

    1. R P Chapman profile image61
      R P Chapmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      proper laughed out loud smile

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Good laughter -medicine for the soul big_smile

  47. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Ok guys ,thanks for the company ,back to Bible study...( though Ive spied a side door ) wink

  48. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Megs has got it going on big_smile

    Ya wanna be my alter ego lol

    1. megs78 profile image61
      megs78posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile  you're making me blush...

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        tis the brandy hehe

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    omg haha smile

    hey, Truth:

    you know, the Hubble found *millions* of galaxies...surely there are creatures on some of those planets in those millions of galaxies. so God must have created them too...so where do those aliens go when they die? do they have the Ten Commandments too?

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are without excuse it's simply a denial game now, I'm done playing. The hurt in your words led me to reply. I’ll be praying for ya. Praise God! Have a great evening.

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      sannyasinmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Great question. There can surely be no doubt that ET's exist. What do the religious believers say? Do they have their own ET heaven? Do they share it? Is there one heaven per planet, per race, per galaxy?

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        Maira818posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        i think you ask hard questions, and me as christian do not know the answer to all because i is not God.  there are somethings that only God knows.  we have limited knowledge in the very huge universe.  a thing i know is that God exists for me, because i have had an encounter him. might anyone deny my encounter to be genuine?

        i have heard it all before, just because atheist have yet to experience an encounter with God, they close the mind and say "there is no God"  that is not very rational thinking...

        pull the plug on atheist

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          lynnechandlerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          There are a lot of unanswered questions in this thread. A thread that was started by someone who doesn't believe there is a God or he doesn't exist. Just because she or any of the others haven't stated that they had an encounter with God doesn't give you the right to come in here and say pull the plug on atheist.

          She is asking logical questions, who knows maybe if someone could answer her in a logical path it might lead her to change her mind, it might not but without even trying to answer the questions you never no.

          Instead again all we see is people wanting to attack the people who do not believe or are questioning his very being. Did you not have questions before your so called encounter with him? I bet you did.

          Anyways, before another person comes in here to attack anyone it would do you all well to consider the questions that are asked and try to offer up an explanation for them that would logically make sense to the OP.

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            Maira818posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            i am thinking you just read the last part of my post!  and who are you to tell me what i should say or not? not much as i could say what you should say here in the forum.. right?

            pull the plug on atheist big_smile

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              pull the plug on yourself!

        2. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You said

          'i have heard it all before, just because atheist have yet to experience an encounter with God, they close the mind and say "there is no God"  that is not very rational thinking...'

          We don't need to experience any encounter  with God as we don't believe.
          So to think 'there's no God' is an irrational thinking? More irrational is to think there is lol
          And about you encounter with God, I'm not commenting, as for sure i will hurt your feelings
          And to say 'pullthe plug on atheists' is very rude an shows a terrible lack of  understanding.

          1. Maira818 profile image84
            Maira818posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            see you are so closed to the idea of having an encounter with God, and now you go calling people close minded!   you contradict yourself.   hahaha:D

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Lol: lol Where do I say that I'm close to an encounter with God ? I said I didn't need the experience .
              and about your encounter with God I said:

              'And about you encounter with God, I'm not commenting, as for sure i will hurt your feelings'

              So as you see I've said i wouldn't hurt your feelings. And you return to me calling me hypocrite.
              Thank you so much !I seethat you're a fine example of 'christian love '

              1. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Waiting for your answer lol

                1. tantrum profile image61
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Here it is , in case you forgot

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    lynnechandlerposted 7 years ago

    I want someone to explain to me how a 982 yr old man could build this ark to begin with and then gather all these animals? It's rubbish.

    Oh and then you want to convince me that incest is a sin but hmmm well if only 8 people were aboard this ark and they were all related?

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      mikey9923posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL... I didnt understand either. But in noans time..There was way way way lesss sin in the world. So GOD created us to live forever. But as time went by more sin entered> so thats why nobody really lives that long anymore> rubbish maybe but look around us>>>

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        lynnechandlerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        We ate from the tree of knowledge not the tree of eternal life so that explanation doesn't fly with me.

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          mikey9923posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          yes your right !!but we still ate from it! and by doing so we sind! and that is when sin entered the world.. And awsome bible knowledge : )))

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