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Why are the religious so arrogant?

  1. marinealways24 profile image59
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    -Why are the religious so arrogant in their beliefs and preaching when they truly know nothing?

    1. UpHisAss profile image58
      UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think you are confusing "knowing more than you do without having to do any work," with "arrogance."

      I mean - we have the Truth - and in my case - I have been convikted, which is the next step down from "prophet," and only one more to do.

      I Know. You DO Not. Simple. Nothing "arrogant," about it.

      1. marinealways24 profile image59
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol I wish you well in your promotion to prophet. Sorry to break it to you, prophets aren't real.

        You do not have truth, you have ignorance, a contradiction to truth.

        Only a simple mind would call life simple. You saying "I know" is the arrogance I am speaking of. You know nothing but what your ignorant "faith" allows you to believe.

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        ralwusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Don’t look now but I think there’s one too many is this room right now, and I think it’s you.smile

      3. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ego is the reason this person finds someone with knowledge arrogant.
        Even if your work is ranked next to the Bible and Quran this person just doesn't give a damn and thinks you are arrogant, strange world. smile

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry but beingv ranked next to thebible and Q'ran doesn't mean anything to me, as I don't believe in words, only in action

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Its took years of action to do this. smile Ten years since I started writing. smile Then another 6 years of contemplation and meditation before that. smile
            Common Tantrum don't you think a lot of hard work goes into writing a spiritual book or Philosophical book?

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, But I didn't see you. allow me to be skeptic, because that's what I am smile

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No probs this is what I like about you , you always come clean  even though we have a difference in our opinions. smile

                1. tantrum profile image61
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  lol I've just been called a hypocrite in other thread! But at last I got an apology smile

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You have been nice to me so I cannot or do not have any complains against you. I have no complains against Mark as well as we are at peace now and no longer argue.Has he really left? smile

        2. marinealways24 profile image59
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If your book is ranked so high, why do you continually need to promote it in the forums prophet?

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I will do as I please. smile I guess you do know we are in a religious forum .I will spread the god knowledge I have as that is my job. smile

            1. marinealways24 profile image59
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You "believe" that is your job. lol Theres a difference.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                So a person is ranked with the Bibles and Qurans and he is a  fraud and you will teach him about spirituality?
                What will you teach?

                1. marinealways24 profile image59
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You miss the entire point of purpose for the religion and bible. They have nothing to do with a creator. You are too self absorbed in belief to see this. Meditate on that.

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Religions have nothing to do with a creator? this is one of the most stupid statements I have ever read.

    2. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
      Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is nature of religion. smile

      1. marinealways24 profile image59
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hello Vlad, you are not the religious I was talking about. You are actually one of the few religious I have actually been able to conversate with. Thank You.

    3. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Most arrogance is a cover for fear. Most fear comes from insecurity of self. I think while the religious are a part of this picture, we all are to some greater or lesser degree.

      Thinking you know the mind and will of God is a pretty good cover for insecurity.

      I feel insecure about a lot of things in life. I have more questions than answers. But I think I've found I can be at peace with a lot of things that I couldn't used to.

      1. marinealways24 profile image59
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Always well thought, thank you for adding.

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        mdawson17posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Religion is an order and a way of displaying power through an order!

        I am a very spiritual man! I went to Dallas seminary and was dedicated and called to serve in the ministry!

        Realizing my calling as well as receiving my calling I began to serve on many committees in the church that I once was a member of! I soon realized that religion was a way of politics and fell very short of what God had called an intimate relationship!

        I decided that any kind of religion was the act of worshiping man rather than having a "A one on One relation with God (Spirituality)" I stepped down from leadership and moved to minister in various other ways!

        The act of worship is an act between one self and God however those who worship in religion worship the order and politics of Christianity and lack a one on one (Spiritual) relationship with our supreme being "God as we understand him"

        In general if you are a politic you are serving your mission and will do all that it takes to serve it! It is the same in the practice of religion; many are trying to find their place in the particular chosen sect and feel many insecurities because they lack confidence in their spiritual walk and through their insecurities they have used arrogance as a tool in making others look less themselves hoping for a higher rank in the politics of their chosen religion!

        God has called us to serve him; not man! Many have chosen to follow man and through their following they have found the act arrogance and self-consumption (Better than others) to be intimidating to bully others into their doctrine!

        To be a Christian is having a personal relationship with God (As we understand him) not politically corrupting the minds of the lost with hate!!

        1. marinealways24 profile image59
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You just stated religion is for political goals and control.


          Religion is based and "interpreted" through the bible.


          You understand the point of religion, still you refuse logic.


          Man wrote the bible for control, not to define a creator. You already pobably know this, yet you refuse to accept it for what you "want" to believe.

          1. atomswifey profile image69
            atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You wrote in another thread about absolutes, yet you make such absolute claims in this one.

            Think about this if you will,
            God had the Bible written as instruction to free us from the bondage of sin, not to define religion. You already probably know this, yet you refuse to accept it for what you want to believe.

            1. marinealways24 profile image59
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol you are the one that is trapped in belief in your follower mind. You don't have the self-awareness to recognize this.

              My belief is not based on prophecy. Your belief is.

              My belief is always changing. Your belief is limited to religious boundaries.

              Bravo, you took the bait. This is what the bible and religions purpose is. To keep the "believer" strong willed through "faith", no matter how much sense the opposition makes.

              1. atomswifey profile image69
                atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                how much what? the opposition makes?? LOL now that is funny lol

                1. marinealways24 profile image59
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  The opposition to your belief. Is this so hard for your simple thoughts to comprehend?

                  Was it that hard to understand?

                  1. atomswifey profile image69
                    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh yes and yes again
                    Can I join your church? You know the church of self?
                    Since you seem to hold the mysteries of the whole world in your hands and all.
                    lol

                    nah
                    I think I will keep my trust and faith in God
                    thank you smile

              2. atomswifey profile image69
                atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                So you assert yourself to make more sense than God? Wow that is some ego you got there

                1. marinealways24 profile image59
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You don't get it.

                  1. atomswifey profile image69
                    atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    no I get it
                    You stated it very clearly
                    Your words, your thoughts are more sensible to believe than Gods.

                  2. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Most will have more respect for the great prophets and their teaching than for you, don't you get it, ? you are no one compared to these great masters whose teachings have become religions. No one will ever call you a master smile

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      elliot.dunnposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      what's the standard of truth you're using to say that all religious people "truly know nothing?"

      1. marinealways24 profile image59
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It's not just the religious people, it's everyone. The religious tend to have a harder time realizing it.

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          elliot.dunnposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          i'm a Christian so i can't speak for non-religious people; actually i'll only speak for myself.  but could it be that non-religious people act very negatively towards religious people simply because religious people claim to have answers? is there animosity towards religion because its more confident in its assertions?

          1. marinealways24 profile image59
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hmmm, maybe it's because the religious are blind to understand that they have no answers, only faith and interpretation. Faith and interpretation contradict the little that we know. Do you believe 100% that you know the unknowns of life?

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              elliot.dunnposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              this is getting pretty epistemological.  uh...in answer to your question you'd have to define what the "unknowns of life" are. obviously there are things we will never know but i think our list of unknowns may be different.  i'm enjoying this conversation marinealways...i like the calmer, intellectual side of these debates.  mudslinging never helps either camps.

              1. marinealways24 profile image59
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                One of my unknowns is the purpose of life. Why is there debate to this question? Why is there nothing known of the purpose of life on a large scale?

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                  Scott.Lifeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Maybe the mystery towards life's purpose and meaning comes about because so many of us are looking for outside answers to inside issues. No one can tell you what your purpose is, only you know it, and only you can find it. It's not a big mystery what do you enjoy doing? What gives you satisfaction and a feeling of accomplishment and value? If you want to know the meaning of your life then start living it and stop trying to find the answers to riddles that really don't exist.

    5. Kaabi profile image83
      Kaabiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Religion is a way to make people feel sure of themselves.  Frankly, I think all religion is ridiculous.  To think a God would focus so intensely on us, when we are such a ridiculously small part of the Universe, is just ridiculous.  Plus the evidence in the world, all the suffering and randomness, further shows that God does not involve himself with us.  Nobody can prove whether there is or is not a God, but it is pretty easy to prove he's not involved with us, from a logical standpoint.

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        \Brenda Scullyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        well earth is the only planet with humans on, so why would he not bother with us...

      2. nicomp profile image59
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Argument from incredulity

    6. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not sure why we are. Why don't you ask Mark Knowles, he is a level minded soft spoken atheist that may be able to answer this question.

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      Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not like that at all big_smile

    8. LEFT HAND OF GOD profile image61
      LEFT HAND OF GODposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I know that when I read The Proverbs it has thousands of wise sayings in it that are true in every society and accepted as wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

      Not sure what you mean by "truly know nothing"...kind of a broad term and sounds arrogant. smile

      Here is one. “Fools despise wisdom and understanding.”

      I know that much, so I guess I know something, unless you can prove that proverb false? smile

      1. marinealways24 profile image59
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        There are many wise sayings in the bible. There are also many ignorant ones. I'm not really into debating bible quotes.

        1. underhiswings profile image59
          underhiswingsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The way I read this, the guy has a point because you said
          "they truly know nothing"
          which was just proven to be a false statement. big_smile

          Maybe you should go through the Proverbs and tell all of us which ones are the wise and ignorant ones because you seem to think you know something. smile

          1. marinealways24 profile image59
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            In the big picture, they are all ignorant for their assumptions of creation.

      2. marinealways24 profile image59
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol What is arrogant is the bible and religions assumptions of the unknown. Just as arrogant to believe those assumptions.

        On the large scale of life's unknowns, "fools despsing wisdom and understanding" doesn't answer anything.

    9. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There is a difference between the Words of Jesus Christ and Religion, or Church the Building.

      Religionists are people who take way to much political license with Christ's words and make it out to be as they see it only.

      They base there belief on God, yes, but work for acceptance into a like Group of fellow humans, not Gods words directly, but their felloshiped interpretation of those words as the only definition possible!

      There armor is thin, and they can not afford cracks in it exposing them underneath. So the arrogance and stiffness make for an overlay to that armor, their Religionist interpretation of the Word.

      It gets so called non-believers. (people who do not think like they do) away from them that way.

      But- What it really does is expose the ineptness of there knowledge and there ability to show true "AGAPE Love" (Love for "ALL" Mankind) Love for each other, as Jesus asks us to do.

      If you are aggressive, arrogant, with a closed ear, than you are protected in your own self interpretation of the Book. ( safe in your own world)

      It is a defense against honest questioning, that those folks have not enough knowledge to answer, and it is wrong.

      Its an attempt to chase you off, or make you join them and not question.

      God says in the Book to always question him, ask him, talk to him. Not shut down, or close a door to him or to others.

      Remember Jesus was the First non-violent revolutionary, he railed against Man made rules. The mockery of Money in the Temple. Against Those that thought they had him all figured out, those were the very ones he corrected most of all.

      In the Book He is teaching us about ourselves, our human nature. We are "not" an all knowing God, we do not have it all figured out, we are not omniscient.

      We do not know the true Beginning, middle and end of life. We did not create life, or this world or this Universe, we were born into it. Thus why are we making decisions for a Creator, and condemning others who don't see our view. Makes no sense to do that.

      And Thus... you see through the Armor they display. The arrogance of self gracious armor prevents those people from seeing the truth about themselves.

      They never face themselves. It is safer that way. When you think you are always right, then you do not have to make considerations about yourself!

      It is warped and dangerous to your peace of mind, to be like that.

      Remember, no one has to apologize for God,

      The book is what it is, Believe it, or do not believe it as it is written, but don't add to it, only for your own arrogant point of view on either side of the coin, for or against

      Some folks just have to spend lifetimes arguing their way only, (apologetics of the self) constantly blogging, talking endless self prophecy to prove their view is the only one.

      They can not relax at all when they are self infiltrated in the mind like that. So the self arrogance comes spilling out.


      Jon

      1. marinealways24 profile image59
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well Said. Thanks

    10. Several Ninjas profile image72
      Several Ninjasposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Deleted

      1. marinealways24 profile image59
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I didn't say it was nice.


        It got responses didn't it?

    11. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting question considering there is nothing more arrogant than an atheist.

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Especially this one.

        1. marinealways24 profile image59
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Calm down prophet, I'm not an atheist.


          Your prophecy fails you again.

          1. tksensei profile image58
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Then I wasn't referring to you, was I?

            1. marinealways24 profile image59
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Did you not believe I was an atheist?

              1. tksensei profile image58
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Didn't give it a thought one way or the other. Don't feel bad.

          2. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You are not an atheist yet you say religions do not teach about a creator. Even an atheist knows that they do teach about god or a creator.

            1. marinealways24 profile image59
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ok prophet, don't contradict yourself.


              Am I an atheist or no? Make up your mind.


              Or, am I just stupid? lol

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Dont know if you are a atheist or believer but stupid  for sure lol

                1. marinealways24 profile image59
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You said you are a prophet.


                  Shouldn't your prophet powers tell you if I am an atheist or a believer?

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Chop his head of and grow tall doesnt work . Show us your proof of knowledge smile You only fool yourself. smile

      2. UpHisAss profile image58
        UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        This sounds like a personal attack. Are we allowed to make those sensei?

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Absolutely not a personal attack. I hope you didn't take it that way.

          1. UpHisAss profile image58
            UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I just said it sounded like a personal attack. Was I unclear?

            1. tksensei profile image58
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, that was a bit unclear.

              1. UpHisAss profile image58
                UpHisAssposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                "That sounds like a personal attack" is unclear?

      3. marinealways24 profile image59
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree that many of them are arrogant also.


        I agree that anyone that assumes a creator or no creator is arrogant. How's that?

    12. Pearldiver profile image88
      Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Arrogance - Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they do! lol

      1. mandybeau1 profile image59
        mandybeau1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I really have always wondered How they can say that they know. How are you PearlDiver Obviously not religious hahahah

      2. marinealways24 profile image59
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

  2. Flightkeeper profile image78
    Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago

    Oh come on, it's not only the religious that are arrogant.  The atheists are arrogant as well.

    1. marinealways24 profile image59
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol I will give you that one! One comes to mind immediately. You know which one I am speaking of. lol

  3. torimari profile image81
    torimariposted 7 years ago

    Even though I don't believe in God myself I've found some atheists here and especially in real life to be far more arrogant.

    Almost makes me ashamed to call myself an atheist. neutral

    1. Valerie F profile image60
      Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't believe atheism is in and of itself anything to be ashamed of. Arrogance is neither a religious nor non-religious trait, but an all-too-human characteristic.

      As long as religious people and atheists alike are human, we'll find arrogance on both sides.

      However, what makes arrogance particularly grating among the religious is that it violates requirements to remain humble.

  4. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 7 years ago

    arrogance comes with a closed mind.

    it could be anyone ~

    1. marinealways24 profile image59
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yep, I agree with that one.

    2. cluense profile image79
      cluenseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are so right! God says to accept all and to unconditionally love all. However, I find a lot of individuals not accepting and loving everyone.

      Therefore, I pose this question to you; If God could send his only son to die for sinners so we might have everlasting life, what right do we have to even think about judging or arrogantly condemning our fellow human beings?

      Acceptance = LOVE
      Arrogance  = SIN (SIN to me is anything against the perfect love of God)

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 7 years ago

    that is the problem..... these forums depict religion as everything the bible is not.   The teachings of Jesus, are as totally opposite to wars that go on in religion both verbally, and in reality.   Put's people totally off religion.  Sad really because it could be so good if it were practiced.  Jesus was never arrogant was he????

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      elliot.dunnposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      no he wasn't but many would misconstrue his claims as being arrogant. He proclaimed himself the Way, the Truth, and the Life.  He firmly called himself the Son of God and the only Savior of mankind.  He referred to himself as God saying He and God were one.   but in practice, there was never a more humble man to walk this earth then Jesus.  pretty ironic how the Son of God remained completely free of arrogance and pride.  i wrote a hub about this kind of stuff entitled "Christianity and Hubpages" which answers some of these questions about arrogant Christians.

    2. marinealways24 profile image59
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why do most judge people who think Jesus is false? Why are people told they are going to hell for not believing? This fear tactic doesn't work on strong individual non believers.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Because Marine its what the Bible says ...but as I understand it most unbelievers dont believe the Bible ,so if I didnt beleive something it wouldnt worry me.

        For example some believe I evolved from monkeys (or an animal) ,I dont believe that ,so it just doesnt worry me.

        I try not to come across as arrogant ,but sometimes people its all a matter of perception smile

        1. marinealways24 profile image59
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks. No one knows that either. No one knows what we evolved from and why our minds are conscious to questions of life instead of being content with simply being alive. Since most unbelievers don't believe the bible, why do religious tell them they are going to hell when they don't believe in hell?

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    TMinutposted 7 years ago

    I'm just finishing a book called The Mind & The Brain - the author discussed a lot of the frustration scientists had with the scientific community trying to get their research and conclusions accepted. No different than the religious community; "we already know what's true, don't try to show evidence otherwise", this book is obviously discussing the neuroscientific, biology, and psychology communities.

    There's also just as much resistance to new thinking in child-rearing circles, education, medical, etc. I don't know why some people assume it's only in religion that people feel this way when it's so obviously a rather standard human trait. After all, not only are new ways hard to believe, you have to overcome the fear that you're being tricked, and it's just plain a major nuisance to have to rethink and reconfigure everything!

  7. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Better duck, EK. Some might deliberately twist your last line, a very good point/question, to read: "Jesus was arrogant."
    Which then will stick the label of arrogances squarely on you.

    In other words, I believe there is some wilfull misunderstanding going on. Fingers in ears. La la la la I can't hear you! I'm right and nothing you say is going to change that!

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      \Brenda Scullyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      who is E.K.

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image74
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      MM I cant find where I posted anything ..wahhhhh..I must be goin senile big_smile

  8. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Oops.Sorry Brenda. I meant you. Brain disconnect.

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    TMinutposted 7 years ago

    I think he meant the purpose of human life overall.

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      Scott.Lifeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh well that's simple then, the purpose of human life is to live and increase. I know I'm over simplifying but that's the point Man as a whole vastly over complicates a simple thing.

    2. marinealways24 profile image59
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Correct.

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    TMinutposted 7 years ago

    How funny would it be for my purpose in life to be to give a friendly smile to someone too depressed and annoyed by people to demonstrate his grand discovery of a way to eliminate all illness forever (or some such thing). He makes a deal with himself that if even one person smiles at him as he takes this walk, he'll do it. And that was it, I was just here to give that one smile. Purpose fulfilled, goal accomplished.

  11. AEvans profile image72
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    I am a believer, religious and I am certainly not arrogant I believe what you mean is " Why are some of the religious so arrogant?" :smile I of course am not offended about the question but I do know I am not arrogant. smile

  12. Eaglekiwi profile image74
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Who knows? I dont smile nevertheless someone will say Im arrogant because of what I believe..

    I think some people become Christians and leave their brains at the door , lol or discover atheism and suddenly have all the answers.

    My opinion is nobody knows everything.
    The main confict seems to be , freedom to believe in what you want without harassment or abuse.

    By the way I cannot decide whose cutier in your avatar , he.she must be a very maternal pet smile

  13. Sanctus Vesania profile image61
    Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago

    Fundamentalist Christians and atheists have the same amount of arrogance, abit, about different things.  Atheists will come to a lot of threads spouting off about how there is no God, and how they are absolutely sure that they're right.

    The fundamentalist religious folks here like to go around trying to 'save' people; usually by spouting off about how wrong the atheists are, and how they must accept God's love.

    Atheists, no matter what you say, a believer is not going to just up and say, "Well, the atheists are correct!  There is no God!"

    Believers, no matter what you say, an atheist is not going to just up and say, "Wow!  There really is a God!"

    Just saying.

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      of course.

      neither side wll ever be swayed, but a good healthy debate is fine. there are a few people who get crazy but that shouldn't halt the discussion if that is what people want to talk about.

      1. mobilephone guide profile image60
        mobilephone guideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        drama, that's all

  14. Sanctus Vesania profile image61
    Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago

    The entire thing does call to mind William Blake's A Memorable Fancy from The Marriage of Heaven and Hell.

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      omgsh.......................!!!

      (and we're just honeybees on the barren heath. buzz buzz buzz)

      1. Sanctus Vesania profile image61
        Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hmmm?

        Actually, that part of the story always makes me laugh.

  15. quietnessandtrust profile image59
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    I just came by to call tantrum a hypocrite and a septic.....(not skeptic)



    I cannot speeeel the word apalogie so I cannot afford one. lol

  16. rhamson profile image75
    rhamsonposted 7 years ago

    I have been to a few churches and find that the tone of the parishoiners is set by the pastor.  Some pastors are very humble and likewise much of the congregation.  If you find an arrogant pastor then I guess you could find the same thing true.

    Where organized religion takes a scary turn for me is when you have a pastor who wishes to separate his congregation from the "World" This gets confusing for some people and they interpret it to mean people of the "World" not their sinful habits.  Of course this is a simple example but is more common than you think.

    Sometimes this borders on and sometimes crosses over to a cultist scale where the congrgation picks up the idea that they are the only ones who know the true way to salvation.  Oh yea I know there is a lot of flowery speech that includes references to the gospel and the ministry of Christ but it does become dangerous at that point.

    I guess you can never overcome a humans' satisfaction with being right.  I think there in lies the problem.

  17. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Who are you calling lost?

    1. marinealways24 profile image59
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Gm Earnest.

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    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will reveal his true identity. marine, you sure know who to make a man think.smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image59
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Morning Ralwus. Very Well said.


      I try to make a point not to type anything I wouldn't say to a persons face. However, if everyone did this, some wouldn't be bold enough to say as they please. Maybe some need to speak in hiding for us to get their true individual thoughts.

  19. Eaglekiwi profile image74
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Arrogance is not limited to religion wink

  20. thranax profile image49
    thranaxposted 7 years ago

    The beginnings of arrogance is straightforward ignorance.

    ~thranax~

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nice one  smile

 
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