My point was that anyone can be a prophet. A person that teaches what is written in scripture is a teacher. The Lord will choose anyone that he wishes to assign the task of delivering his message. He builds the most beautiful "stuff" with damaged and broken people. or else we would take pride in ourselves. A prophet can be anyone from any walk of life.
Anyone that wants to be a Prophet can NOT be one. God can choose anyone he wants to to deliver a message, cut the grass, wash the dishes, etc. The same as you showing favoritism for whoever cuts your grass, washes your dishes etc. As a believer in Christ I would say that there hasn't been a prophet from GOD since Jesus. If I were Islamic I would say that Muhammad was the last prophet. Many teachers that teach what they percieve to be the truth of scripture. Everyone has their own individual belief as to what scripture says is that truth. This is the problem don't you see... Too many individual beliefs of truth. Too many groups that following one individuals belief.
I do not believe that any truth will be found untill we forget everything that we have been taught (everything).
Scripture says that we are all sinners. We are all filthy rags in comparison to real righteousness. Jesus said that One sin is no greater than another. Therefore, no sinner is less worthy than another to be a Prophet.
Disclaimer: In no way is this meant to sway, pardon, or invite you to Christianity. I do find many of the rules, explanations and teaching to derive from a logically sound notion that provides for a better community and it is the actions of fundamentalists that cause more harm than good. I will always believe in the spirit of a law and never in the letter of a law. Because there are no absolutes Marine! Haha.
Though it is far more fun to agree with you and watch people get frustrated, I think I may be able to provide a logical explanation that does not derive from faith. Nor will I bore you with the tedious logic 101 arguments.
Think of the most righteous, pure, innocent person you know, like your child. Though his existence gives you much joy, meaning, and purpose, he does not intellectually provide you answers. The knowledge you gain from him is from examining his experiences and it is your intellect that comes to the conclusions.
Now, lets take a person who was a little (or a tremendously) wild individual when he/she was younger. This person does not possess innocence any longer, but what he/she is able to do is relate to anyone. Through said actions he/she is able to possess an understanding to which those people who were more responsible cannot. This relation to both sides (good and evil) provide a broader sense of life, thus giving them a more well rounded view of existence.
Some religious people will not accept this, and it is often ridiculed due to it possibly encouraging people to act irresponsibly. We supposedly sin enough are our own, therefor it is ridiculous to encourage more sinful behavior. Yet, this is the synopsis of St. Augustine's argument as to why the followers of Christ in the early Church should listen to him.
Now if I could be so bold as to "justify the ways of God to Man" (Milton). A person that possesses the ability to speak to all of humanity, rather than just those that already believe, make for a far more effective advocate than some one who has no experience beyond that of a solely Christian one. If you need further proof as to why this is, look at the many irrational personal attacks that are meant to sway you, or at least attempt to admonish your reputation. Not as effective at winning you over to the cause as say St. Augustine who would take the time discuss shared experiences in order to provide ways to expose you to God's existence.
In any case, I thought the tone of your question above solicited a genuine response. That, and unlike your discussion on absolutes, this thread was definitely a theological one. So it should be said that faith based and Scripture based answers are relevant. Then again, I am sure it was on purpose so as to inflame the religionists. And I have no issue with that, so fire away!
Thank You for your thoughts. Always appreciated. You are right, no absolutes! At least in free thinking. If there are absolutes in free thinking, it's not free, right? I am still open to the possibility of a creator due to the fact that our minds are so separated from other animals. The bible simply doesn't answer any of my questions without interpretation or faith.
It is great to see an emotional reaction. This is where the true person comes out. A person can't hide when the emotions are tapped. It also gets their true ideas on most occasions without all the buttering up.
The only reason I disagee with prophets is because it shows favoritism. I don't believe favoritism is divine creation, but man creation. I don't understand why a creator would create everyone different and expect them to follow the same prophets belief. This to me defrauds the bible along with other contradicions. I do understand your analogies about 1 person coming from both sides of the tracks that can relate to everyone and find common ground. This still doesn't make me believe prophets or prophecy. I wouldn't believe a prophet unless they did a divine act in my presence. A divine creator should know this if a divine creator created individual minds rather than the same mind. Our dna is different, why would our belief be the same? Why are religionist and bible believers the only ones that have to study their belief? Thank You for your thoughts.
Very well put. I am not a prophet. I am a seeker if any label or title applies. I grew up in a Christian home. I say Christian because I went to a non-denominational church, then to mass on Sundays because my mother wanted me to understand the Bible apart from dogma. I also attended Catholic school for 14 years (preschool through high school). I identify Catholic, but realize that I do not follow Catholic doctrine completely. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Religion is an attempt to explain the world around us. Atheism and science are the same attempts and require faith in human ingenuity instead of faith in something beyond humanity. So I view them with the same skepticism. I understand that the most enlightened individual (who most likely possess far more knowledge than myself) still cannot show plausible evidence for either God's existence or not. Yet, what drives my faith is what the English Theologian and acting chair of Theology at Cambridge Denys Turner said, "What atheists and believers alike have ignored is the fundamental question that it is not how we got here, but why?'" that matters. Whatever side you reside is matter of faith. Science to date cannot physically prove religion false and the same holds true for the other side.
I believe that there are, was and will be prophets. Yet, they are not what people imagine. They are not people who are necessarily prophetic, but people who possess such a complete understanding of humanity that they state what the problem is and the what will result if they do not alter the unjustified means of self-advancement. They become prophetic, not from some inner sight, but from people's arrogant assumptions that resist change.
Thank You for adding more thoughts Sir. Ty for the background, my family is also deep in belief. I do disagree that religion is an attempt to explain the world around us. I think this is it's illusion while it's main objective is to group belief for control. I do agree that both atheism and religion are both assumptions. One assumes they know and one assumes they don't know. Both assumptions. The truth would be to say me/we know nothing in absolutes. Anything short I believe would be limiting our minds.
I agree with the theologian you quoted, very humble statement. The "why" is my main question. Why our minds have the ability to individualize and the need/want of a belief and purpose. Everything we do has purpose, yet the purpose of life is still undefined on a large scale.
What if the prophet chosen didn't accept being a prophet because they didn't believe in favoritism? Also, maybe the prophet wouldn't accept because they understand that to ask people to follow their belief, it would a contradiction to their individualism.
In all seriousness, your humble thoughts in non absolute belief are always truly appreciated. Thank You.
No, and none can be because prophethood is perfected at the last and final Messenger Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). All the prophecies in all the major religions of the world related to the absolute final Prophet completed on the birth of Muhammad (peace be upon him).
There is all that you see, touch, taste, smell and hear then there is what came before and what is to come. I am here in the now but have lived before and through that experience can see what is to come and how it can be altered.
There are no prophets today but there is the Spirit of prophecy that speaks through the Holy Ghost. In 1 Corinthians chapters 14 & 15 prophecy is for edafacation, exsortation, and comfort.The prophets of old had the power to destroy. As you study Revelations, the New Jerusalem (spiritual Jerusalem) has a foundation of Jesus Christ with the apostles and prophets on that, with the twelve tribes of Israel as the walls. We, the Gentiles, have a court set aside for us in the temple. If there were prophets today they could lead the people a stray. The prophets of old was to proclaim the coming od Jesus.
I think anybody can be a "prophet" in their own way if they come in touch with their own potential of individuality, love, wisdom, and spirituality. You asked if I am a prophet and my answer is NO. The reason for that is I have not met all of these goals that I have the potential to reach for myself.
I see. Well, she and her fellow members were scripturally literate beyond 99% of todays pastors and priests. Many churches, even today warn not to read revelations. Revelations however is encouraged to understand and even states that at the beginning of the book. there is a simple code given for days to years and so on, but the meat and potatos is no easy task. Elen and her friends in christ related the book of Daniel to Revelations to make it transparent. Many books in the bible compliment another and that book was the key to revelations. However, much of the true prophecy was reavealed to her by God and/or the Holy Spirit.
I could not agree any more with what you said about understanding Daniel and Revelation being imparative. I think that that understanding opens a little bitty door into a diffrent world concerning scripture.
We really should examine the acts of the Prophets from the Bible before we declare someone or ourselves to be a prophet in order to determine if what we see currently is consistent with biblical history. Whenever a prophet appeared in a time or to a king in the bible it was usually not to be compelementary or revelatory. The duty of a prophet was to direct and correct. Something was usually terribly wrong that needed to be corrected or a leader needed to be redirected when a prophet was sent to "speak" to someone.
There is only one way that a Prophet can be proved! That would be in the message.
If the Lord sent a Prophet to ME I would assume that I am not going to readily like or agree with it, cause He isn't coming to tell me something that I already know. The prophet is not going to be waste his time saying what everyone else is already saying. That would be being a good teacher. A true prophet would be kinda like the person that signed for the delivery package from UPS sent from GOD
The first time the term prophet was used in the bible was when God was referring to Abraham when appearing to a king in a dream who tried to take Abraham's wife in the book of Genesis. So if God Himself referred to Abraham as a prophet clearly he was a prophet, amoungst other things. By studying the life of Abraham you will get a good idea as to why God would choose to speak to someone over another. Scripture tells us that God would that we were all prophets. The Hebrew term used to describe this phenomenon is the term NEVUAH, which means prophetic. There are 6 dimensions of Nevuah. 1) Dreams, 2)Visions, 3) Helps, 4)Spokesperson, 5) Worker of Miracles, 6)Prophetic Sensitivity.
Helps: This is simply being a helper of God performing a specific task that God was looking for someone to perform while on this earth. It could be something as simple as starting a foundation for the homeless. If God put such a task on someone's heart and they obeyed, without having the necessary resources to carry out such a task, they are operating in a basic dimension of NEVUAH. This person may also have the gift of Discernment of Spirits & Knowledge of the Times & Seasons. I won't go into these now, maybe later.
Spokesperson: Most people are familiar with this dimension of NEVUAH. This is when someone speaks for God to deliver rebuke, corerection, or encouragement. God could also give this person wisdom to help someone out of some form of trouble or impending doom. A specific word that no one else had come up with previously or were capable of coming up with in the present. Divine wisdom. God could also give this person information about a person or situation or place without this person ever being in the place described or knowing the person spoken of or even witnessing the situation spoken of. God may also use this person to speak in a foreign language that they never spoke before and also to interpret these languages. God could use this person to interpret a dream, a vision, or a text of scripture. And of course God cold use this person to foretell of a future event.
Miracle Worker: This is when God temporarily grants a person power to overide the laws of physics. Like He did with Moses, Elijah, & Jesus. This inludes raising people from the dead and healing the sick.
Prophetic Sensitivity: This is when your senses are supernaturally sensitive. Take your ears for example; you might hear something that no one else heard and when you moved to respond to it you just avoided a car accident. Or you might HEAR God's voice audibly and no one else heard it but you. This also includes your emotions. You might have a bad feeling about someone babysitting your daughter and for some reason you decide to not use that person. And then upon watching the news the following morning you see that same person that you had a bad feeling about wanted for rape, child molestation, & murder. You may also have a physical sensation. You might feel this annoying burning sensation on your chest and feet and you end up going to the gym to get your mind off of that annoying feeling, instead of going to bed like you normally would at that particular time. And upon arriving back home you notice your home is on fire because the gas pipe blew.
That's just a brief overview of the basic dimensions of NEVUAH, or the Prophetic. I will write a hub on this later describing in more detail these basic properties.
Why is it that if someone sees something, it HAS to come down from god?
Why can't it be a part of a person's evolution?
Humankind still doesn't understand it's own existence. Yet, many want answers and seeks "religion" a business for answers.
It's absurd to think that any extra sensory perception and/or vision was handed down from a non-real higher authority. It's more believeable for a person to develop and harness a power, than to believe it came from somewhere else.
Again, let's keep life REAL please. Anything without substance is exactly that....nothing!
let me share something with you. Over 300 prophecies were fulfilled with the birth and life of Jesus Christ. Old and New, man couldn't make up the probable person to fulfill these phrophecies. For one, they didn't understand what it meant until he arived and for two, they only knew he was coming. Thats it. So, for Jesus to completely fill prophecy of a book writen long before his arrival is amazing.
Now, I knew that you were baiting me- but I won't hold it against you. I challenge you to research for yourself and see if it holds any notability.
You are correct. It would be the BEGINNING of understanding. Understanding is preceeded by knowledge and wisdom. In this context knowledge is knowing what the bible says, wisdom is doing what the bible says, and understanding is knowing WHY the bible says to do what it says.
I could be trained as a mechanic and given all the knowledge I need to fix a car, but I would not REALLY understand WHY I was trained to do or not to do certain things until I begin to do the work of a mechanic.
Understanding comes at that aha moment where we realize, oh, that's why they said to do it this way. But I will never reach that moment of understanding if I only received the knowledge but never put it to work or applied it consistently.
The point I was aiming at is that if that school students report; is believed to be correct; That would cause you to look at scripture from a different point of view. This point of view also points to ..A.. Truth.
Begin with this truth ! And then read the entire New testament And you will see THAT....You will see it differently.
That is the thing. We should read Daniel and Revelation with the mentality of a very young person having NO prior knowkedge. Read it as a Child Not thinking that it has to be interpretated. A NON geniuses is required
You will find that many prophets do not understand what it is that they are writing down. The author of Revelations "John the Revelator" had no idea what God wanted him to write down on the island of Patmos. but those writings were for today.
Complications are prophesized for todays time. This is deeper but I am going to give you a little insight into revelations;
you will find 4 horses in the book. 1. White- this horse represents the time in which Jesus was here. White symbolized purity through Jesus, but also the purity of the church, becuase there were not many denominations to confuse people. Only pure teachings.
2. Red Horse- After the White Horse is gone, the devil has power. Three tools he will use to kill the message of Jesus. Red Horse was his tool of death. He killed believers using the Romans, Greeks and many others. If he killed the believers, the message would die.
3. Black Horse- The black horse is the "Dark Ages" If the devil can oppress people and their ability to obtain the message, he will smite out the message. Many places, it was illegal to posses a bible.
4. Pale Horse- The pale horse is a "watered down" breed of horse. It mixes and confuses. If the devil can confuse the people by numerous denominations and false teachings, he can wipe out the message. This is today.
Sorry, the horses are silly to me. Why use horses to describe something when a divine being tells you what to write or say? I think a divine being would have common sense enough to say the future word for word without using horse analogies.
My 15 year old's (..non genius) ..book report said the four angels depicted in Rev. 7 as being the four horsemen But before they delivered their packages upon the earth. When another angel tells them to wait ....
After the four horses are seen descending to earth. These four riders are then seen holding back the four winds of the wrath of God. Until the 144000 are sealed. After the seventh seal is opened the multitude are seen in heaven so we must assume that the 144000 first fruits would have been redeemed from among man.
AND THEN there was silence for a half an hour and THEN the seven trumpets are handed out. This is definitely a division of time between the seven seal judgments being fulfilled and the seven trumpet judgments being imposed. That should gives us a lot of things to re-consider
If someone approached me and told me they were God, I would not believe them. If that person parted an ocean or a lake in front of my eyes, I would believe whatever they said. If someone told me they saw someone part an ocean or a lake, I would not believe them. I think a divine being would know this already.
A prophet from God ia anybody that God chooses. whether a wino. drugaddic murder or what ever; a prophet is a messenger from God that usually says something that no one has herd of before and nobody likes.
God wouldn't waste a messenger to say stuff like everybody else is sayin
A true prophet ain't goina interpret nothin.... He goina deliver Gods message exactly as given to him to deliver. He don eve havta be able to read to hear God and repeat what he said. That is a true prophet.
You left out the rest of it where it says that a rumor started about John living forever but John corrected the rumor...now stop lying Jerami !!!
Jhn 21:20 Peter turned around and saw the disciple Jesus loved following them-the one who had leaned over to Jesus during supper and asked, "Lord, who among us will betray you?" Jhn 21:21 Peter asked Jesus, "What about him, Lord?" Jhn 21:22 Jesus replied, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You follow me." Jhn 21:23 So the rumor spread among the community of believers that that disciple wouldn't die. But that isn't what Jesus said at all. He only said, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?"
I have never said that the world has seen a thousand years of peace. That 1000 years of peace is not found in scripture. that is one of many INTERPRETATIONS that simply not correct.
I did say that the 1000 years that Satan is to be bound in the pit have been fulfilled.He has been loosed. This would mean that the 1000 years that the dead people that John sees in heaven as described in Rev 20 have had their 1000 years that they rein with Christ in heaven; has also been fulfilled
Hey now, Mohit is a prophet. Maybe your idea of a prophet is SuperMan. I think Mo is great and I think he is also just like anyone else and needs to earn a living.
So even though you might think his work is nonsense, he is doing well for himself and he makes an honest living and that is something I think we should be congratulating him on. Unless of course you are just jealous. lol
He writes poetry. Have you read any of his work? I will say you probably haven't.
His poetry doesn't have anything to do with prophecy or religion. He might say things like, "enlightened" or "light" or "the way" but he doesn't say, burn in hell if you don't follow me or listen to the bible or koran etc.
I think, just guessing, I think that for some reason his excitement about his own personal triumph and faith annoys you because he is proud of himself.
Yes sales are picking up but for years I went hungry for days, would sleep in friends shops since I couldn't afford to rent a room , lived a very difficult life.Today strangers want to send me money and seek my blessings.
Try writing your knowledge in a book and lets see how much people appreciate it. ooops you don't have any spiritual knowledge, you wont be able to write anything Anyone who mocks me after seeing my rankings is truly very ,very , very stupid.
Chop his head of and grow tall doesnt work . Show us your proof of knowledge
http://find.franklin.com/nav/ca/Spiritu … r/ebooks/0 1.Holy Bible 2.Strongs Bible 3.Ponder Awhile-Mohit.K.Misra 4.Holy Bible 8.Bhagwat Gita 9.Bhagwat Gita 12.The Quran Ranked over many editions of the Bible. This is simple truth . The Bible was written by many authors and not just one author.
I've read your rankings in your book review. 1/3 of the people give you the lowest ranking possible and want a refund. 1/3 give you 50% ranking and say that your poetry is somewhat childish, and the other 1/3 give you full ratings, but they all appear to be by the same writer and of Indian descent.
I don't know how to post links, but I will show you some comments made about the book "Ponder Awhile" by Mohit.
1. "I looked inside the book before purchasing it and liked the poem that was shown. Well low and behold, when I received the book, I realized that it was indeed the only nice poem afterall. I am most disappointed with this book!"
2. "If I could rate this poetry book lower than 1 star, I would. Unfortunately, I cannot. The poetry shows a complete lack of development and talent. At times the poems are actually ridiculous and appear as if they have been written by a small child. The only question they made me ponder was "Why the heck was this book ever written?"
It was encouraging for me because it appeared that alot of people from India want some scripture. If this is the best that they can find, wait until they see the truth!!!!
Ranked how, ranked by sales? surely you have not outsold the KJV of the Bible?
I am interested. Ranked by reviews? I could write a better book, but it wouldn't be soooo popular because I would not give every religion a "belly rub". Popularity of anything, is appealing to the largest group of people. that is what you have accomplished. Not purity.
What ..IF.. I said that I was a true prophet and God told me to tell everbody that he understood the human languages well enough that we do not need to interpret what he said. That he said exactly what he meant to say as if a lawyer was going to go over it and make sure that God fulfilled his obligations. What ..IF.. He also said that every message that his messanger Angel (Gabriel) was delivered in like manner. ..IF .. that were true what would you do with your library of books of translations? ..What.. if.. God said that we should understand his word as if we were little children, and that we should leave our intelect out of he equation? OH I think that he did say that in scripture.
You want me to believe that I am the "brainwhashed" one. But the devil has used many tools to make God seem unreal. and you don't read scripture, you use what you have heard from other people(mayby Dawkins). I feel for you at this point.
You said that you can see that The bible "controls" our beliefs. And it does until we learn to not interpret it. When we see past the interpretations we are free. Free in deed. Then the bible encourages growth and expansion.
When it is raining one person is going to go to sleep, another wants to run down the street, another may feel sexy and another will be sad. We can interpret our feelings and beliefs without changing the facts. We can feel any way we want to but we can not interpret away the truth.
If anyone wants to interpret written words in such a way as to feel better about what we say that is written OK; But the truth of the words are unchanged.
If a person want to fool themselves they can do that. If they want to jump off a building they can do it, I am not advising any of these things. They can feel as they choose. But the facts do not change.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
and then console it with your god...People for money.
I write since I was a child. I have written screenplays, poems, short stories, books, you name it. So what ? if you rerad my haiku hubs you would see I'm a writer all right!! and English it's not my language
Is it possible for you to write a book wich gets ranked over Bibles, Qurans and Bhagwat Gitas? Answer this question honestly and if you think you can then why in the world do you want to remain a nobody.?
So you can never write this calibre of a book? You agree you dont get ranked anywhere close to these masterpieces so why the attitude? Should I say your spanish writing is crap when I dont know a word of spanish?
Why should I take your nonsense? I show you my credentials yet you call me names and I am supposed to say thank you, sorry will defend myself have taken nonsense from people for ten years I kept quiet and now I cannot take it any more. You can always write a better book and when and if you get ranked over my work I will bow to you and call you a master and say god and the prophets are all bullshit.You need to show proof.
Is it possible for you to write a book wich gets ranked over Bibles, Qurans and Bhagwats Gitas? Answer this question honestly and if you think you can then why in the world do you want to remain a nonbody.?
Is it possible for you to write a book which gets ranked over Bibles, Qurans and Bhagwat Gitas? Answer this question honestly and if you think you can then why in the world do you want to remain a nobody.?
My point here is not to disprove prophecy. I believe in prophecy and prophets. this man is no prophet, no savior. My Savior was the most humble, the most gracious, perfect. His work is done. He only needs to harvest the saved, not exploit a book.
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