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Why Is Jesus A Separatist?

  1. marinealways24 profile image62
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    Why would a loving god preach a separatist belief? Is this logical? lol

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus loves you

      1. marinealways24 profile image62
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No he doesn't. I don't worship him. He wants to send me to hell. Thats not very nice now is it.

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No, its true, Jesus loves you, there's a song and everything!

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol I think I heard it. I almost caught on fire.

        2. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
          Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          He loves you weather you worship Him or not. His love is unconditional.

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thats not what the bible says. It says I am a product of the devil and that i'm going to hell.


            Stop buttering up the story sir.

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      Opportunist Partyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      name me one religion that isn't "separatist"? Imagine if there wasn't exclusivity...if everyone is in heaven( Hitler, Bin Laden, etc.) then it isn't heaven.

      1. marinealways24 profile image62
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Have you died before? How do you know what happens after death?

        1. Sybil Marie profile image81
          Sybil Marieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That's a really good question, what do you think happens? I mean does it make sense that our consciousness just ceases to exist when our body dies? That doesn't seem logical too me.

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I can honestly say I don't have a clue. It doesn't seem logical to me to go to heaven to worship jesus. Maybe if we are consisted of energy, our energy and conscious disperse somehow somewhere. I'm starting to like you Sybil. You have an individual mind!

            1. Sybil Marie profile image81
              Sybil Marieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              LOL Thanks Marine :} Okay so lets put aside the whole Jesus question. I'm no scientist but we know energy never ceases to exist right, just changes form, and it's pretty clear we are made up of energy. And then you think about the fact that we seem to grow and change all though our lifes (okay now I'm wondering if this should be a whole different thread! LOL It makes sense tome that we continue, somehow in a individual way

              1. marinealways24 profile image62
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I don't know, but I do know that if we think nothing happens after death, we limit our minds from thinking of what we don't know. If we assume we go to heaven to worship jesus, we limit our minds from thinking of what we don't know. I think our energy is possibly dispersed somewhere after dying, I don't have a clue of where. lol

                1. ediggity profile image59
                  ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  This is a very valid point, and this may help explain some of your curiosity.

                  http://230nsc1.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbasees … ntrop.html

                  1. Cagsil profile image59
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Interesting read.smile

                2. Sybil Marie profile image81
                  Sybil Marieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Sounds like you have an open mind Marine I like you too

                  1. marinealways24 profile image62
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Likewise. Always nice to see someone humble enough to admit what they don't know.

          2. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well, what would make you think that your consciousness wouldn't end, when your body dies?

            But, that's exactly what happens.....when you die. It is the END of your life. YOU lose consciousness and your dead.

            All the energy in your body ceases to exist. Meaning, you're dead.

            What, Do you think your "soul" or "spirit" goes somewhere else? And life continues?

            How is that logical?

            And, by the way, you don't have a soul or spirit. These are just words to describe people's actions.

            So, now what?

            1. marinealways24 profile image62
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol Have you died before?


              Those are ignorant comments considering our mind is unmapped. Are your beliefs absolute?

  2. ediggity profile image59
    ediggityposted 7 years ago

    He still loves you.  Maybe he's just disappointed.  For all those who may be wondering:

    Main Entry: sep·a·rat·ist
    Pronunciation: \ˈse-p(ə-)rə-tist, ˈse-pə-ˌrā-\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1608
    : one that favors separatism: as a capitalized : one of a group of 16th and 17th century English Protestants preferring to separate from rather than to reform the Church of England
    b : an advocate of independence or autonomy for a part of a political unit (as a nation)
    c : an advocate of racial or cultural separation
    — separatist adjective
    — sep·a·ra·tis·tic  \ˌse-p(ə-)rə-ˈtis-tik\ adjective

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yep, jesus and the bible are separatists.

      1. ediggity profile image59
        ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        To the religious it seems your beliefs favor separatism.

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          My belief doesn't have empty threats and ask for followers.

          I believe in equality, not favoritism of belief.

      2. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
        Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        My friend you did not defined word separatist. Jesus drew very big crowd. He of cause separated Himself to meditate laud on the Word and of course He missed His DAD.
        I am separatist too, when I meditate on Word.

  3. marinealways24 profile image62
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    Does the bible create peace or separatism?

    1. ediggity profile image59
      ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The BIBLE creates choice.

      1. marinealways24 profile image62
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Choice of separatism.

        1. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
          Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          God cannot take sin into heaven or paradise, since it would change heaven to hell.

      2. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

           Jesus does separate and he does create choice.

             It's kinda like he is driving a wagon through your town.
          He wants for ya to get on his wagon, but it is your choice. When he has left town this causes separation between you and his wagon. Did Him giving you choice condemned you? if in fact you are condemned. Everything concerning you is all your choice.
        Nobody else can do anything except for to yell , come on get in I'll give ya a hand.

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Why is there always a riddle or analogy to solve?

          Helping with a wagon isn't the same as saying, believe or go to hell.

          Stop buttering things up.

          1. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

               That is the way my grandfather would have explained to me when I was 10 years and I would have understood it. There isn't a riddle. I'm sorry that you do not want to understand. 
                If you follow, then you won't be separated.
                If you connect with no one or nuthing, then you will always have no choice but to be INDIVIDUAL

            1. marinealways24 profile image62
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              So you have to follow to not be separated?

              Why is jesus a separatist?

              Was you not born an individual?

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      zarquonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Bible is a historical documentation of the lives of ancient prophets inspired by the word of God. It is not a living being per se. It is a scriptural text that promotes peace of mind and spiritual prosperity.
      Your subjective description that it is a separatism form of literature is justified by your ignorance and limited intelligence.
      Have you actually read the entire book with an open mind?

      1. marinealways24 profile image62
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So, your not a separatist?

        Peace of mind with threats of hell?

        Have you read with a non separatist mind?

    3. Valerie F profile image61
      Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Bible says human individuals chose to separate themselves from God, so, no the Bible doesn't create separatism. You and I do.

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    eddiekayposted 7 years ago

    I'm guessing that you're thinking in terms of the modern definition of separate. Like anything taken out of context, it could appear that something means one thing to you while quite another to me.
    If you and I were working on ....???carrying sheetrock upstairs and i asked you for a hand...would you do what I asked, what I meant or clarify my request ? Kinda extreme example but , you get the point.
    If you really want a biblically based answer, let us all know exactly what you're basing the question on and i'm sure me or somebody else can add sonmething.
    Best

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Believe or go to hell.

      Believers believe they are rewarded for their belief over non believers. Separatism.

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, God says to choose this day whom you will serve. Choose which door you want to walk through, what kind of car or truck you want to drive. We make choices all the time without giving a second thought about them.

        We are very picky about who works on our cars, who cuts our hair, and who our doctor is. When it comes to following after a spirit, we don't seem to care and follow just any of them.

        Jesus is not a separatist. Jesus gave His life for the sins of all men to redeem them back to God from where they originated. This is not separatist, but unity in God.

        1. atomswifey profile image69
          atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          This is why I love you my friend the truth lives in you. smile

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            A government truth.

        2. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Unity that separates believers and non believers. Is that unity? lol It is separatism.

      2. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
        Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        God did not create hell for man. He said fallow me and I will take care of rest. But He value of freedom of choice and will protect it even you make decision to go to hell. Hell is nothing else as separation from God and there will be everything what people do not like. That's devil's job to constantly harass the people. He would like you to believe that is all God's or Jesus fault.   
        He said I do not condemn or judge anyone but the Word will judge you in the last day.

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    eddiekayposted 7 years ago

    Man, you get right to it, don't you!
    OK....working backwards yeah, believe or go to hell is about right BUT
    it is never God's will that anybody goes to hell...
    from the time you're born till the  minute you die we're given a continuous stream of chances to believe. In life, we walk past a trillion open doors and it's up to us to walk thru. Man...i didn't walk thru till i was 57...I did sins that weren't even invented and No, I can't say I walked thru, I gotta say my butt was picked up, slammed down and thrown right thru that door. It wasn't like i said, "err, Uhh, God can I come in?" It was much more like he said "Git y'ass in here boy, now" And i did.
    Up till that time, yeah, I was walking separate bcause i separated myself from him. But that was never what he wanted...it was just what he let me do. Men create separatism, I think mainly because we all think we're better than the next guy...but that's just my opinion.
    God, no...he wants all the kids home and he turns nobody away when they come knocking.
    So, what do you think?

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think the bible claims to do whatever you want and you get into heaven as long as you ask for forgiveness and accept jesus.

      Jesus is a separatist belief. Those who don't believe aren't in the jesus club.

      1. ediggity profile image59
        ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The BIBLE is far from saying do whatever you want.  When Jesus came he re-iterated the Commandments, spoke of faith, and judgment.  I have faith, and I still know I will be judged, just as you will, and everyone else.  Hopefully we all end up in the same place.

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thats not what the bible says to those that have an individual belief.

          The bible says you will go to hell for having an individual belief.

          A separatist bible.

          1. ediggity profile image59
            ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I guess we just have two different interpretations of what we've read then.  To me the main point of the BIBLE wasn't believe or go to hell.  It was help people, be humble, and have faith.

            1. marinealways24 profile image62
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It it is divine, how many interpretations should it have?

              1. ediggity profile image59
                ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                That depends on what you choose to believe.  Obviously you have a different interpretation than mine, and you don't believe in it.

                1. marinealways24 profile image62
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  So, I am a science experiment born an individual to see if I follow the chosen belief? Doesn't sound divine to me.

                  1. ediggity profile image59
                    ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No you are the product of two individuals who defied GOD, and rather than GOD just eliminating his creation all together, he gave us a chance to do the right thing.

  6. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    My mind that I think, believe and or KNOW with has not yet been classified. I am what I am and I don't eat spinach.  I do not want to be separated. I am not a follower or a leader. I do however feel better when I am going in the same direction as somebody.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Was you born to follow the bible or was it just a science test to see if you would believe or not?

      Who would want to be part of a science experiment?

      How are you not a follower if you follow a belief?

  7. marinealways24 profile image62
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    If jesus isn't a separatist, why are we argueing whether or not he's a separatist? Wouldn't we agree?

  8. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Hmmm.....

    Since you did say, "What do you think?"

    I guess, I'll tell you.

    How ever, mostly what I have to say is directed at the words you chose for your opinion.

    How ever, the simple fact that any religious text printed anywhere, has been revised too many times to be, believed as far as anything it has to say.

    Secondly, Jesus Christ was a real man and a real minister. He had many followers, because he spoke unlike any other. People were spell-bound by his words, because they had no consciousness about them. They were still driven by nature, kind of like when you were a child, new born. Yet, these people were full grown adults.

    You didn't have a clue what was going on. You didn't even know who you were you, until your parents gave you a name?

    Then as you grew up, you were exposed to religion, which now controls your life, in ways you can not explain.

    Jesus Christ was NOT a prophet. He wasn't nor is a God. And, he was not the son of God.

    He was human and lived his life by teaching, mentoring and ministering to those who would listen.

    His only message: accept your human consciousness as your life and you'll live eternally. You can do so, thru his words, if you put the words into the right context. Something "religion" purposely didn't do. So as to better control the masses.

    That was fun.....anyone else.

  9. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I was unaware that I was arguing.  didn't mean to sound like it. Thought that I was saying what you might need to hear.
    I might have been mistakes as to what you meant to be saying.
    I don't think that Jesus is a separatist or else he wouldn't driving his wagon through your town wanting everyone to get on the wagon. He will be a separatist to you if ya don't get on the wagon. He definitely did not like that church organization that was going on at that time and I don't think he would like today's churches much better that the old one.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Guess what? I'm not on his wagon. He is a separatist because I don't share his belief. It was his choice to create a separatist belief, not mine.

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    eddiekayposted 7 years ago

    Hmmmm....I will admit that the exchange was falling apart a bit and I thank God for the comic relief you provided.

  11. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Well if we were GOD  we could do anything that we wanted to because we think that we could do it better.  We aint god and we couldn't do it any better.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So god is a separatist?

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          God is all things.  Any one can look at the things that anyone else is doin and we can find something that WE THINK that they are doing wrong. Many times if we had known everything that that other person knew ?????  WE didn't know

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Are you speaking in tongue or riddles again? So, I have more logic than the bible god? How did that happen if I am his creation?

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    eddiekayposted 7 years ago

    Would anybody like to support anything they're saying with any scripture ? be specific , no out of context stuff or "I heard it says..."
    The discussion started on Jesus preaching separatism...can anybody support that with anythig Jesus sais and is recorded in the bible?

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm pretty sure it says follow or go to hell and the belief in jesus is the only way to a favored afterlife.

    2. ediggity profile image59
      ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No offense, but a lot of the time people don't want a bunch of scripture thrown in their face.  I'm sure we could all go back and forth throwing out passages that prove, or disprove our comments, but that may just turn people off to the discussion.  They are your posts though, so feel free to drop some scripture whenever you like.

    3. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         Jesus did not like what the Pharasees (the dominant role players in the Temple) were teaching.  Matthew 23 the whole chapter.  Jesus said many times that the religious leaders, of that time,were teaching wrong and living wrong.

      1. marinealways24 profile image62
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So, he created a separatist belief for them all to follow?

  13. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I once had a wife that argued with me even when I repeater something that she said the day before.  Go figure??

    1. ediggity profile image59
      ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Dude, and I know I am probably going to take a beating for this from the ladies, but that's all women.

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

           I was actually talking about anyone that has an argumentative nature can not agree with anyone regardless of what is being said.

           many years ago, sitting around the campfire drinking beer; myself and a few friends figured out what all women want.
            What all women want and then they will be happy for a little while. All that they want is more than they have ever had before. We give it to them And then in a little while , what do they want?

    2. Flightkeeper profile image80
      Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You once HAD a wife. What'd you do kill her for it?

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

             Would ya believe that I finally to make her so happy that she don't argue any more?

        1. Flightkeeper profile image80
          Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Jerami, if that were true you'd be a billionaire by now wink

          1. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No I poor.   keepin on Givin her more than she has ever had before keeps gettin more expenciv-er and er  and er

  14. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I need a spanking

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    TMinutposted 7 years ago

    Yes, Jesus was a separatist. He said the Father would divide the righteous from the unrighteous, separate them, set them apart.

    The old testament is full of admonitions for the Israelites to separate themselves from the idol worshippers and the unrighteous as well.

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    TMinutposted 7 years ago

    As for why a loving God would preach a separatist belief - for the same reason a loving parent does. Stay away from those kids, they're being watched by the police and get in trouble all the time.
    For the same reason we separate ourselves from people with contagious illnesses. For the same reason we separate ourselves from those with congenitally bad attitudes.

    It's because it's the best thing to do.

  17. Newyork204 profile image61
    Newyork204posted 7 years ago

    For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household.”—Matt. 10:35, 36

    So in a way, yes, he was a Separatist.  But in context.  When you are a real Christian and you are doing the right thing and your friends or family is not than they start to hate you b/c you make them look bad.  Misery loves company.  Like hangs out with like.  If you and your friends are doing drugs for example and then all of a sudden you stop than how does that make your friends look or feel when they pass you a joint and you say "no."

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am an individual, friends contradict my individualism. lol I'm jk.

      Nothing wrong with bud, it's not a tool of the devil. Alcohol is the tool of the devil. But it was alright for noah, right?

      So, you have to be a christian to not be a separatist. If everyone isn't a christian, what does that make christians? Or do you just label the non christians separatists? Make sense?

  18. Newyork204 profile image61
    Newyork204posted 7 years ago

    That is what the Bible says.

    And I am sort of confused as to what the argument is.  I fairy certain I've missed something??  By Separtist I am not sure what the connotation is.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Separatist: A grouped belief.

  19. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    It is easier to belief our parrot Eric wrote the bible than it is to believe it is gods word! lol

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      could be the gods words but not God's word. wink lol

    2. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I would too and I haven't even met the parrot. lol

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Eric types. or at least he pecks the keyboard. I think his life theories may be superior to mine. smile I will continue to study Eric the bird. smile

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          He already sounds smarter than some of the robotic minds. At least his meaning will be unpredictable. lol

  20. Sybil Marie profile image81
    Sybil Marieposted 7 years ago

    Separatist: A grouped belief

    Hi all smile I guess with that definition, yes he was a separatist. But then everyone who has any belief that is different from someone else's and shares that belief with at least one or two other people, by definition, would be considered separatist.We would have to includes scientists that strongly believe in a theory that differs from other groups of scientists. smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do scientists tell non believers they are going to hell for not believing their theory?

      1. Sybil Marie profile image81
        Sybil Marieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Gosh I don't thinks so yikes

        1. Sybil Marie profile image81
          Sybil Marieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But Marine I am a believer andI don't tell people that, I don't think I have all the answers. I don'teven know allthe questions:) But I do know where my life was before God was in it and where it is now andbelieve menowismuch better sad

          1. Sybil Marie profile image81
            Sybil Marieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            oops! sorry about that I really should have checked it before I posted...forgive me big_smile

          2. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I appreciate anyone strong enough to form individual belief. I simply disagree with a grouped separatist belief as the bible.


            I appreciated you being honest and humble enough to understand you don't have all the questions or answers. Thank You

  21. Sybil Marie profile image81
    Sybil Marieposted 7 years ago

    What Kind of Parrot is he? I hear African grays are very smart!

  22. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    So, in essence, Immortalility is yours?

    You can live forever, by changing your energy, to fit another form.

    Can YOU Do That?

    Has Humankind Evolved That Much That Each Individual Can Control Their Own Energy?

    I don't think so. When you die, if there is any energy remaining of yours, it will be simply, either go into Earth, being absorbed or absorbed by the Universe, in general.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You say our energy dies then you say we are immortal. Sounds like a contradiction. Explain this?

  23. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    You know, the scariest thing I've learned.

    You, as a Human, are Immortal.

    Your "Life" isn't meant to end.

    And, the fact: that it's been hidden from the people for over 3000 years, is a crime.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You care to explain all that? And, will it sound logical?

      1. Sybil Marie profile image81
        Sybil Marieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        smile

 
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