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"Our Father who is in heaven Holy is Your Name"...NOT "our Mary....."

  1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
    quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago

    When the disciples asked Jesus how to pray,
    He did NOT say to pray to ANYONE else except His and our Father.

    This is NOT complicated.

    Mankind invents all kinds a people and things to pray to,
    and none if it was sanctioned by Messiah or The Apostles.

    None of it !!!

    1. Pr0metheus profile image61
      Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Or true... makes it easy to ignore.

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Who cares ! People can pray to whoever they want. What counts is the intention, not to whom is said
      I can pray to Shiva or Anubis or Zeus.If it works for me, what's the problem ?

      1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
        quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hey, your score is the same as mine, we must be the same person. lol lol   mad

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Not even  in your dreams !! lol lol

      2. prettydarkhorse profile image65
        prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol...my ancestors prayed a lot to the suns and the moons and the stones, me too, I followed their examples, ....but they wont answer me, so I prayed again to my computer....now its working,,,,and I can write again lol

        1. tantrum profile image60
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The Messiah isn't answering either !
            big_smile

    3. TimTurner profile image79
      TimTurnerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So what happens to the people that prayed to a god BEFORE the Jewish and Christian religion was created?

      What if their gods said don't pray to anything after us?

      What makes your gods right?

  2. Valerie F profile image61
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    Please do me the favor of repeating this because I'm getting tired of it.

    Catholics do not worship Mary.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But they pray to her. I know because I've done it as a child. And what about the Rosary ? Isn't it for Mary ??? yikes

    2. quietnessandtrust profile image60
      quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They adore Mary and adoration is defined as worship.
      They pray to her like a god, they entreat her to talk to God on their behalf etc...
      They believe that she has power too. lol

      And she is only one of many people they pray to and have faith in.
      It is nothing less than idolatry. All of those statues too.

      Scripture is quite clear the there is only ONE MEDIATOR between GOD and man and that is THE MESSIAH.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So you are a my way or the highway christian?

  3. Valerie F profile image61
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    Catholics do not adore Mary, either. Jesus followed the command to honor his mother. We should follow his example, shouldn't we?

    Dulia is the honor we give to saints. They weren't perfect, but in some way or another, they've set good examples for us to follow. It is not worship.

    Hyperdulia is assigned to Mary because we have some regard for the unique sacrifices mothers make for their children. Nobody else did for Jesus or the Church what she had. But still, it isn't worship.

    Laetria is worship, and extending that kind of honor to anyone but God is idolatry.

    The Rosary is primarily a meditation on events during and around the life of Christ. If you focus too much on the Hail Mary's without focusing on the Mysteries (meaning "revealed truths" rather than riddles), you're going to miss the whole point.

    Another thing- we don't pray to Mary or any other saints. Rather we ask them to pray for us like we would anyone else. Or do you think it's idolatry to ask a friend to pray for you? The whole point of the Hail Mary, for instance, is summed up in the last sentence's request for prayers.

    I know. "But- but you ask dead people to pray for you." I don't know about some so-called Christians, but we believe in eternal life after physical death. An atheist or someone who doesn't believe in an afterlife would have a problem with that. A Christian shouldn't.

    1. quietnessandtrust profile image60
      quietnessandtrustposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You dodged the whole point Valerie, there is but ONE MEDIATOR between GOD and man, not a single other.

      The Apostles asked for prayer from others who were still alive physically and nobody else. Nobody is told to ask the 1st martyr Stephen to pray for them, or ask John The Baptist to pray for them, nor did John tell us to ask Paul to pray for us after he was executed, etc...

      This is nothing more than men making up silly things for people to do rather than pray directly to THE FATHER.

      So we pray to The Father through The Messiah.

  4. Lisa HW profile image83
    Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

    I'm not the biggest fan of the Catholic Church; and on the one hand, I can understand some people's objections to a religion that encourages praying to someone other than God (or believing that God is "in the sky" or a force and that nobody else who has ever walked the Earth is God, for that matter).  People believe whatever they believe.

    Having said that, I can't help but give credit to the Catholic Church for, as far as I know, being one religion that acknowledges the role of the mother of someone like Jesus.  If he was "special" then there must have been something extraordinary about her too.  If he was just a good person and teacher who tried to teach an unruly world about peace and kindness, then he was that kind of person because of how he was raised.  Either way, Mary deserves a little honoring.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My mom was a catholic and I remember Holy Mary mother of god to be a somewhat softening entity within the Church, at least when I was little.

 
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