Oh how many times I have gotten into trouble for my wife thinking that I had the mindset that she was to submit to me!
I am wondering how many hubbers think that it is bibical that the wife is to submit to their husband!
Or is it bibical for true submision?
A wife should submit to her husband
And a husband is to submit to his wife
That is the only way that they can truly become one
If they do not submit to each other then it can not be equal.
As humans one will be geting over on the other unless they both submit.
I don't know but I think that is right. sounds good.
The bible - if it says that is totally whacked - see the men, should be totally submissive to the women and thats a fact jack
Love is about both sides submitting to each other. If you believe what Christ taught, love supercedes all other edicts and laws.
and the husband is to love his wife as his own body.
what religion is she if you don't mind my asking
I have to say you are very right both should submit however many men feel the they have been given the higher authority in the marriage. I believe that this kind of thinking is what destroys many marriages and lives.
What do you think Sirdent?
Any time there is no submission between a man and his wife, there is no trust. What is the point of marrying someone you don't trust?
The word submission in the context of the scripture it is written means the condition of being submissive, humble, or compliant Too many think about the husband bossing the wife around telling her everything to do or vice versa.
Both should submit to each other; however when an em pass occurs one or the other should have that one percent veto power. In my house that should be the man. That being said it is also written that ... it is a wise man that CAN keep his wife happy.
no women should submit to any man, under any circumstances.
with that said- relationships should be built on equal footing otherwise they won't last.
You are very right acting like you are the most powerful in a relatioship will only get you to be the most powerful alone and by yourself
very well said Cagsil
this depends upon the definition of submit.
It can be a bad thing and yet
It can be a good thing.
So the argument begins , should a woman submit to their husbands and should a man submit to their wives? Both should submit to each other one is not better then the next. If a man gives then she should also recieve and vice versa, just my opinion.
As for my google it is being a pain in my batooty!
The Google still is not being Submissive (LOL) Yes I agree their should be a mutual submission! When asked this question in my calling I answer it like this:
Not one person is better than the other, regardless of sexuality! Both were placed in an honor in a bond and commitment between each other and God! God being first, the only one the wife should be submissive to is God and never to man! We are sinful people and therefore no better than the other!
For a wife to submit to husband than we are saying wife submit to an idol! God says worship no other God before me!
A marriage is equaly yoked when one cannot the other should! When one is weak and tired the other should be strong and bold!
I agree SirDent - nowhere does it say that a husband should make a wife obey him - it has to come from the wife. The husband in return, has to cherish his wife. One just goes with the other and it really does make for harmony. I doubt if a home like any other place can have two bosses
Totally agree with Jerami and AEvans - both man and wife should submit to each other.
But the bible and Jesus are not about equality between man and woman, they are solely about the stimulation and satisfaction of the man!
Why is everybody re-writing religion to suit their needs? You can't just violate the eternal nature of god when you feel like it.
Usually it costs an extra $45 to get them to be submissive.
Starme77 said: <<<<The bible - if it says that is totally whacked>>>>
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
Scripture tells us that when we marry we become one, however God seems to have decided that the man is responsible for whatever the two do in marriage.
God holds the man responsible, and wherever there is responsibility, there must be authority also.
So in the situation where there is dissension between the man and his wife, ultimately it is the man's responsibility to answer to God IF they do the wrong thing.
Too many men are weak and quite happy to relegate their 'responsibility' to their strong wives. They are in error and doubly responsible for any error that occurs.
A word of caution;
A wise man will think very seriously BEFORE exercising his authority in a conflict situation.
Men operate by logic - women operate by emotion - together they balance and are able to make the right decisions.
A great marriage advice set of dvd's are 'Love & Respect' and if we all sat down and saw these, divorce would decline rapidly and marriages would work better.
The basic premise is that men NEED respect, i.e. we are hardwired to need respect, and if it is not given to us by our wives, we stop showing them love.
Women on the other hand NEED love, and likewise if they do not feel that men are showing love to them, they lose respect for their husbands.
Obviously if this happens in both parts of the marriage, it breaks down.
He does not show love, so she does not show respect and ad infinitum until one of them snaps.
Equally when it works fine, things improve.
She show him respect, and he shows her love and the whole thing spirals to new heights.
This sounds like the "common knowledge" in the 1950's that women didn't think at all- which I THINK is a stinking pile of manure. Yes, I may happen to be wired differently from a man on account of being a woman. That does not mean I operate without logic just because I happen to be a woman, nor does it mean that men operate by logic rather than emotion.
Ephesians 5 says that husbands and wives are to submit to each other. The Bible also commands that men do NOT lord their status over their wives and children, but love their wives as Christ loved the Church. What did Christ do? Demand the blind obedience of servants, or become a servant himself?
A wife should submit to a righteous husband. That said, I think most women would gladly submit to a kind and considerate husband that treats her with respect and showers her with love.
Ephesians 5, to Christians
i.e. if you are not a Christian, this has nothing to do with you:
21: Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
25: Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
28: So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. ...
Yes, a wife should submit and obey her husband, unless he is asking her to sin. Her allegiance comes to God before man.
My question to you, mdawson17, are you loving your wife and Christ loved the Church and as you love your own body?
To answer your question: never do I question my love for wife or does my wife question her love for me! In the aspect of Ephesians 5 I believe what Ephesians 5 also says
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church—
30for we are members of his body.
31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh."
32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.
33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband
1 Peter 3:5-6
5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands,
6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
1 Corinthians 11:3
3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Never have I questioned my love for my wife! Yes I do believe that it is holy that woman and man are equal and should be treated as just that “equal” The bible does say that we are evenly yoked! That husbands and wives are to submit equally I believe that the act of submission is done in many different ways though!
In your original post you said that your wife often thinks you have a mindset that thinks she should submit to you. If you belive the Bible as it is written, then you do.
You say that you don't question your love for her and she doesn't question her love for you. Okay, but what does that have to do with submission? Maybe a better question would be does she know that you love her beyond a shadow of a doubt, because of your actions toward her?
Many men to claim to love their wives with out question. They go to work and work hard every day, to prove it. They think that because they have provided a home and shelter they have proved their love. The wife is grateful for what her husband provides, and she too works hard to make life smooth, filling in the gaps that he is not able to cover, yet feels unloved, because he is too busy to listen and talk to her. A woman in that situation often feels very alone and on guard. When one feels on guard, it is hard to submit, without knowing that someone else is going on duty.
Be aware of what's required to make a relationship work?
This all starts with you being honest with yourself, about what you want out of relationship.
Nowhere is respect required as a part of a relationship. If you respect yourself, then you'll respect your partner. If you're honest with your partner, you trust your partner and you communicate openly with your partner- respect is a given, because it's earned through the other three.
According to the bible there is neither MALE OR FEMALE when it come down to serving Gawd.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Pfft, I'd rather remain single than submit to a man. I believe in equality in relationships/marriage and if for some reason there was an imbalance in the relationship, I definitely would not be the submissive one.
But, I've been in a relationship with a man quite passive and submissive no matter how much I tried to get him to make some decisions with me or himself...it really was bad. I learned from that and definitely strive to be equal in friendships, romance, family,etc. Makes life easier and better.
The Bible is patriarchal so mainly it will preach about female submission--one of its aspects I loathe.
You can't expect sweeping generalizations about the Bible being "patriarchal" to stand against Biblical quotes calling for mutual submission.
Jesus submitted to washing the feet of his disciples, taking on the role of a servant. Jesus submitted even to death on a cross as an act of self-sacrifice for us. And he had a great deal about the greatest being the least, the last coming first, the meek and humble being blessed, and so forth.
Yes, I know the Bible contradicts itself talking about mutual submission and female submission...but after 12 years at Catholic school and reading that danged thing it is largely patriarchal and encourages male dominance.
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