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Why is it this way

  1. spease profile image83
    speaseposted 7 years ago

    One thing I see in this forum.  It appears that the people that don't believe in God don't want to discuss anything. Most of the  posts are just name calling or basically saying you are stupid if you believe.  It would be nice if there was actually some serious debate on issues.

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And, what you like to talk about?

    2. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They have no knowledge to share so to take part they resort to such childish methods. smile

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I beg to differ.

        Even a child can learn, when it's ranting or raving. The learning process doesn't stop, because one's attitude changes.

        1. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Some are not here to share their knowledge as they dont have any or to learn but are here on a sadistic reason of poking fun at people who believe in god.

      2. topgunjager profile image61
        topgunjagerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        harsh words my friend, how can you preach all that good stuff and then judge us because we don't believe in what you believe in? it shows what a decent human being you really are=)

        1. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Why should I do , let someone call me names after showing proof that I am very qualified in the subject of spirituality and religion on  religious forum.
          I am not taking this crap, simple.
          I have gained knowledge of god and enlightenment and I am sharing this knowledge with humanity , try learning something.

          Is your work ranked with Bibles and Qurans or is mine?

    3. profile image0
      Maximus591posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Debate cannot exist between believers and non-believers.

      You cannot seriously expect non-believers to indulge your fantasies. If you're hoping they would discuss 'God' with you, it would become a tacit admission on their part for the existence of God.

      There is no debate to enter into.

      I strongly believe in the existence of pink fairies. I now require and demand of you to enter into debate with me on the pros and cons of pink fairies. 

      ho ho ho

      1. mohitmisra profile image59
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So why come on a religious forum where the conversation is bound to revolve around the spirit and god.

        1. LOT2DO profile image59
          LOT2DOposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh Mohit lol

          So, the religious forum is only for people who fight over whose god is the best?

          When and where did hubpages tell that atheists are not allowed in this forum?

          Or your god told you that way Lol?

          1. mohitmisra profile image59
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No thats not what I meant.If you don't relate to and dont believe in god then what is your reason for being here.
            If it is only to mock then its is sad.

            1. weblog profile image60
              weblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Those who believe in God don't mock at others in this forum? Are you sure only non believers do that?

              1. Helen Cater profile image72
                Helen Caterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I agree, I am a non believer and I do not mock. I just have no interest in it.

                1. mohitmisra profile image59
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  This is the correct approach unless one is sadistic.

              2. mohitmisra profile image59
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Sure they do as there is a limit to tolerance.

                1. weblog profile image60
                  weblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Mohit, I ask whether believers don't fight within themselves.

                  1. mohitmisra profile image59
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Forget it ,You are thinking of something else.

            2. LOT2DO profile image59
              LOT2DOposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              To enjoy your jokes tongue

              1. tantrum profile image60
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol

              2. dingdong profile image60
                dingdongposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                What do you think?

      2. pretty twisted profile image59
        pretty twistedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I beg to differ. There are many issues regarding God that non believers and believers can talk about. For instance, proof that God exists, or why they believe that there is a God?

        As to your pro's and con's of pink faries. When debating there is no reason to say that their is pink faries, it can always be gotton around of by simply saying, 'if there was ...'

    4. rebekahELLE profile image90
      rebekahELLEposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      well, this thread didn't get too far before you saw that is impossible on this forum board.

      it's human nature to believe that your own beliefs and opinions are correct. the sad part here is there seems to be no understanding of tolerance. and it's on both sides of the aisle, so you already came in pointing fingers. hmm

  2. anjalichugh profile image88
    anjalichughposted 7 years ago

    Attacking and belittling others probably gives a boost to their ego. Calling the other one stupid is the only intelligent thing they can conceive of.

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, I guess that depends on who you are talking about? Like, who specifically.

      I can think of a few off the topic of my head, but won't say who they are, because the flare-up from it wouldn't come down for days.

      But, to have a simple debate or conversation about 'religion' is to have two completely open people to carry-on a rational and sane subject.

      Religion isn't rational, because it tells to believe in something outside reality.

      If you are curious- reality, as defined by Aristotle- Reality exists. Reality exists free of independent thought(s), desire(s), will, or wishes. Reality is all knowable.

      An example: I could say "cure for cancer", but we all know that is real, because we know it doesn't exist in reality. It has not been found or discovered, as of yet. But, once a CURE is found, it will become part of reality, because it will then exist.

      If 'god' really wanted follower, worshippers or believers, that's all he had to is tell everyone. He is suppose to be all-powerful, all-knowing, always everywhere.

      No, instead- man creates the 'god' concept out of thin air, and centuries later- we have a society that can't think for itself.

      That's a shame.

      1. mohitmisra profile image59
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Aristotle, Plato and many of the Greek philosophers talk of the immortality of the soul as being a reality.

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Aristotle seen the true potential of mankind. Plato was a mystic.

          Plato first defined reality, which was later re-defined by Aristotle.

          A lot of western civilization was started based on Plato's thinking. Was later replaced by Aristotle's science and philosophy combine definition.

          Science has yet to prove people even have a soul. So, that's out the window right off the bat.

          Remember, if religion or any form of religious faith was never created by man, then the word soul and spirit, might not even be in existence.

          You wouldn't even be talking about the soul of a person. The soul of a person is perception of others, as to the actions of an individual.

          There is no soul 'type' concept to have been proven to exist.

          1. Jewels profile image81
            Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You can never prove the existence of something that is non physical.  The word Soul is a word.  Language is important in defining that which we wish to categorize as meaning something.  The word Soul is derived from ancient Greek literature in which psyche = soul = was defined as the seat of emotions, passions and lower rational faculties.

            Now to say the Soul doesn't exist, is the same as saying the mind also doesn't exist.  The brain is the vessel for thoughts to become animated, ie it is the human organ through which consciousness becomes animated.  Now because you can't see the Mind, does that mean it doesn't exist?

            The word Soul is a term.  The character traits of the human condition does exist.  Psychology is the study of human emotions and behavior, it is the profession that helps humans with the fact their minds are a twisted mess - ie their soul is not happy!

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you jewels. So nice to see you again.

          2. mohitmisra profile image59
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Aristotle seen the true potential of mankind. Plato was a mystic.
            Both were philosophers/mystics.
            Intellectuals have been talking about the soul for such a  long time and the Greek philosophers did just that.

            The earliest spiritual text the Holy Vedas means science.Earlier science incorporated the aspect of the soul or spirit and god as well.

            There is no soul 'type' concept to have been proven to exist.

            By science which doesn't know the source as well.Today science is spending billions of dollars in order to try and find the god particle, science is still learning.

      2. spease profile image83
        speaseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why is that not thinking for yourself.  We all have to make decisions about what we believe. There are no facts that you can prove God does not exist.  What do you believe in?

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I believe in facts. There are NO facts to prove GOD exists in the first place.

          You show me facts that GOD exists and I'll be glad to believe in him.

          Try not to turn this around, like you did in your statement.

          Your statement- "There are no facts that you can prove God does not exist." Yes, I can- look at reality, the all knowable truth about what really does exist.

          You can't touch GOD.

          You can't smell GOD.

          You can't hear GOD.

          You can't see GOD.

          And, you most certainly can not taste GOD.

          YOU can't prove he exists.

          It's not that I can't prove he doesn't exist. Reality says he doesn't exist.

          The 'bible' is man-made.

          What? And you probably think "Jesus Christ" was really a religious minister too? But, he wasn't.

          He was born a Jew. He has no dealings with religious/spiritual leaders of his time, because he knew it wasn't real. It's the specific reason he told everyone not to believe in a false idol.

          Jesus Christ was a human male. His younger years are hidden away, and left for people to speculate as to what and where he was during his teen years and into adult.

          He was nothing special, but the time he lived was a crossroads for human evolution and he noticed many human beings being enslaved by religious/spiritual leaders of his time, and he was appalled by their actions.

          He didn't die for the sins of mankind. He was executed because he would teach their heretic religious B.S.

          1. mohitmisra profile image59
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Jesus and nothing special?

          2. Jackson Riddle profile image67
            Jackson Riddleposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'm glad you had that last bit in there Cagsil. If you choose to denounce God you can choose to do that and I'm not sure there are any real solid facts to back up his existence either but that is why they call Christianity a FAITH because you choose to believe in his existence. I'm not pushing you to believe in God but I hope that you find him some day, but hey at the end of the day it's your choice.

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The choices you have are dictated by those with power over those who are powerless.

          3. spease profile image83
            speaseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Your missing my whole point.  I'm saying people come on this forum and try to tear down people who believe in God.  The ones on here that do believe in God, don't try to tear down people like you that don't believe.

            There are most likely things that you believe in that are not based on fact.  It takes faith on your part to believe that there is not something greater than man. It takes just as much faith to believe in Darwins theory of evolution, as it does to believe in creation. There are no facts to prove that man evolved from sea creatures and apes. 

            Many part of his theory have big scientific problems.  If you believe in Global warming, that also takes a lot of faith.  There are no facts that prove global warming is happening. The facts over the last 10 years prove the opposite.

            If we believe in God, and can't prove scientifically that he is real, why does that bother you?

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              And, you're right about the things you say, how ever, DARWIN's work wasn't finished and continues today.

              As for "Evolution" and proof- LOOK in the mirror, my friend. And, you will receive your proof of evolution. Because, you are walking proof. 



              Because you are living your life against the nature of man and woman. That means you are defying your own existence, even though you know you are alive and think for yourself.

              The nature of man and woman is exclusively tied to your consciousness, your conscience and your sub-conscious. It all you need to live a prosperous, satisfying and happy life.

              What you don't see is how you can.

          4. ddsurfsca profile image68
            ddsurfscaposted 7 years ago in reply to this
  3. topgunjager profile image61
    topgunjagerposted 7 years ago

    it would be nice if the non believers can get "real answers" i've never seen anyone give anything worth listening to, all the answers i get are based on "faith" you know, making a virtue out of not thinking=)

    1. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Meditate if you really want to understand.

      My faith lies in knowing god .

      1. dingdong profile image60
        dingdongposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Faith LIES lol

    2. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And you will never hear any answer worth listening to.
      They don't have the answers.
      they only have Faith.
      That ,as a fact, is Nothing.

    3. Jewels profile image81
      Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't base my answers on faith and the answers I'm looking for are not coming from people who tell me about faith.  If you are looking for experiences I can help you there.  But you have to want it.  But do you know what you are wanting?

  4. Brian Leighton profile image74
    Brian Leightonposted 7 years ago

    Respect, or lack of respect for other people and their beliefs possibly is a major contributing factor as to why it is this way.

  5. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    If I want to talk about horses I will go to a forum where they are talking about horses.
       If I want to create strife I will go to the fishing forum and insist on talking about horses.

  6. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I must say that talking to people with a different belief than my own has straightened my beliefs. If I can have an open mind it is a good thing when my weakness is exposed to me. Examine that belief either reinforce it or pitch it aside.

  7. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    So I guess it is all GOOD

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      YES IT IS  !
      Hi Jerami !

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

           Have a great day Tantrum and everybody
          I gotta go climb a house in a few minutes, be back later

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    You can't make that choice yourself?

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What choice are you talking about?

      1. profile image0
        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        To believe in a higher power? Spock, please specify your comments about this... lol

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Is it really a choice for those that do believe? Or is it just fear driving poor vision of what choice really means, so they can think themselves are special in some way?

          Yes, a lot of people make choices, but with limited vision, knowledge and understanding of life, and those choices only shows your given them by those with power over those who are powerless.

          You cannnot see past a choice you don't understand. You cannot see a choice, if you don't know it exists.

          1. profile image0
            Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Um, what?

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              What's wrong?

              You make hundreds of choices every single day. Yet, you don't see the choices you could make.

              Yes, there are choices you could make, but since you don't see them, you cannot choose from them.

              Does that help?

              Don't worry. You're doing fine. lol

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                Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I'm glad you can see better than me, lest I bump into something creepy, like...Ahhh! Sorry, Spock you still do that to me. lol

                1. Cagsil profile image59
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Cute lol

  9. profile image0
    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    I excel at Cute. smile

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not so sure about that. lol

      1. profile image0
        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hey at least you're not evil Spock anymore. wink

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

             I think that ya might br right?  Maybe

    2. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         Ya sound like you do anyway

  10. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    @   Denno 66
       I will right a letter about a man.
       I will put this letter in a time capsule.
       I will write about a man named Cagsil>
       I will describe as best as I know how to describe him with my limited knowledge.
       I will describe how well he fought for what he believed in.
       I will tell of all of his deeds as best as I understood them.

       But 2000 years later The will say to who ever retells the story....
           
       "I believe in facts. There are NO facts to prove Cagsil exists in the first place.

    You show me facts that Cagsil exists and I'll be glad to believe in him.

    Try not to turn this around, like you did in your statement.

    Your statement- "There are no facts that you can prove Cagsil does not exist." Yes, I can- look at reality, the all knowable truth about what really does exist.

    You can't touch Cagsil.

    You can't smell Cagsil.

    You can't hear Cagsil.

    You can't see Cagsil.

    Therefore The reality and science proves that Cagsil has never existed. Cagsil is a figment of imagination. He never existed so shudup about Cagsil. Until you can prove to me that he ever existed then admit that you believe in sky fairies. You are so stupid for believing in something that you can not prove.

       Prove Cagsils  existence... Ya caint can ya.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         Cagsil is a figmant of our imagination.

  11. ddsurfsca profile image68
    ddsurfscaposted 7 years ago

    As for myself, my belief in God is very logical.  I asked Him for a sign, and He gave me one, a sign that I could not deny....therefore I believe in God, just as I believe in the air and the wind that I also cannot see, but trust and believe that it is and will be there for me to breathe.

  12. ragnaworks profile image60
    ragnaworksposted 7 years ago

    A lot of people in general tend to be very close-minded. Once they have worked out what they believe to be the truth, they shut out all other input or debate. People like to deal in absolutes a lot. They don't like feeling uncertain, especially with the big issues. And this goes for both the spiritual and secular sides of humanity. Many people from both sides tend to be quite stubborn, and intolerant of each other. It would be nice if more people could just open their minds to free debate and discussion, rather than devolve to play-ground banter and flame sessions. If people in general could have more respect for each other's opinions, there would be a lot less strife in the world. But a lot of times people tend to be condescending towards those who don't share their opinion. Sadly, that has been a constant throughout most of our history.

 
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