Neither. They return to the matter from whence they came. What happened to my old eight-track-player once it went into a landfill? Matter returns to the earth. Simple. If you want to live longer, have children as they are truly reincarnation.
I quote from the Bible the book of John chapter 5 verses 28-29. Marvel not at this for the hour is coming in the which all that are in the graves shall hear (Jesus) voice, and shall come forth they that have done good unto the resurrection of life (heaven), and they that have done evil unto the resurrection of damnation (lake of fire).
As I see it...... All there ever was and all there ever is plus all there ever will be... is nothing more than "one massive field of changing vibrations." Science has proven all things are in a state of vibration, from atoms and molecules to even thought itself. (An EEG machine proves thoughts are vibrations)
That being said - there is no past, nor future -- only one unfolding moment. Our conscious realization of the changes in this field of vibrations then gives us the illusion of time. Without this illusion, all there really is is "Here and now".
So getting back you the original question " after death...." the conclusion to my rant is this.. "we will remain in the vibes"
Hi there. I think that the whole notion or reincarnation based on good and bad actions has some truth to it.It could be said that if you had killed someone in a past life-time,then maybe you would come back into a difficult circumstance. How-ever,i fell that the authorities in any given culture can use and play on people's fears,to keep them subdues and not questioning and less than ecstatic. So,i would suggest to you,read around this topic.Dont believe what the so called experts may say but keep an open mind and an open heart. You could have a look at my hub on reincarnation to get some more information.Go to http://hubpages.com/hub/pastlives Happy 2010! Gavin
And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"
But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand." Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)
This sounds like Jesus is saying John was the reincarnated Elijah??
I pretty sure Elijah as well as was Enoch and maybe Moses were all caught up before dieing. And then Elihh was killed .I'm not sure about Moses. Maybe Enoch and Moses are the two witnesses that are to be killed in the streets ?
i believe in reincarnation. but not the kind where people come back as butterflies or something. it's more astrological, and people come back as people. we start out as an Aries (the youngest sign in the zodiac) and then keep coming back as the next sign and learn each sign's lessons, then progress to the next one, etc. until we reach Pisces and i have no idea what happens after that
I will agree, the text you presented doesn't say anything about coming back, but it does say that- "It is appointed to man(you control your own life) to die(to leave his/her former self behind), and after(you have reached consciousness) that the judgement(meaning- you can judge yourself).
It is appointed to man, to control their life, to die, leave a former self behind, and after, once you reach consciousness, that the judgement, you can judge for yourself.
I find the Basic English translation makes for better understanding:
"No man is able to come to me if the Father who sent me does not give him the desire to come: and I will take him up from the dead on the last day". KJV - John 6:44
"No man"(not anyone) is able(capable) to "come to me"(seek guidance) "if the Father who sent me does not give him the desire to come":-(if the 'father'(nature)) who sent "me"(Jesus) does not give him "desire"(seek out in self-interest) to come(forth and ask): and I(Jesus) will take him up from the dead(unconscious) on the "last day"(this is last day of unconscious thought- because the next will be from consciousness.)
Please do realize- the CORE teaching for any religion or occult discipline is to attain- Enlightenment(Consciousness). To see life yourself- make your own decisions- live by your conscience- live by forming thoughts and transforming those thoughts into actions, which you are honest about.
The spiritual path you seek isn't for "GOD" it IS for you to become ONE with yourself. So, you can control everything about your life.
Again, as I have said before- ALL Religions and Religious text IS out of context.
Why should I explain to you ?? It's my personal opinion, which I'm not sharing with you nor with anybody else. I'm a secretive person, in more ways than one, even here, in hubpages I seemed to be plainly overt.
I recently wrote a hub about heaven, and the feedback I received in my email was very interesting. Many people have experienced or "seen" heaven. There are a number of great books where people talk about thier experiences. But it's not a "Bad-Good" issue at all. God is Holy. No one qualifies for heaven. Only forgiveness through Jesus gets us there.
People "seeing" their supposed "god"? Doubtful, sounds like you've been taken in by some liars, who are either reinforcing their own faith(by emailing you(because they know you can't see them) and lying about their experience) or there are some really disturbed people out there making fun of you.
Of course, there are MILLIONS of books about all sorts of topics regarding religion. How do you think it makes so much money?
Come on people- Keep it real.
You want GOD, be your own GOD and accept life for it's true understanding. And, if you're going to continue to read religious text- make sure it's in the CORRECT context that mixes with the CORE fundamental of your religion.
If what you read, doesn't make sense or you are unsure how to interpret- please do not 'assume' you know and understand, because that assumption will most likely misguide you in the wrong direction.
Hi there. Dying from a broken heart or an un-lived life is a worry for some. We need to live from an open-heart.And an open mind.There is away too much close mindedness in this culture,in individuals. Lets tear open the barn gate and run free,even if a little crazy!
Don't worry so much about something you have no control over. I believe in physics...your energy transfers into something else in the universe. Still, do your best to live a good life: happy, healthy, do well by your family, friends, community. Just try to be a good person and do what you can to live a full life without hurting others mentally, physically, financially, etc.
This isn't God, Jesus, any man's words written down in a book to control people's minds...it's simply, common sense.
Who am I kidding? Uh, sigh, let me see if I can clarify my position: Whether you see others' viewpoints as silly or counter-productive, they may be quite firm in those viewpoints. Telling them that they're wrong is like telling them that their mother is ugly. See my point now?
Got to agree with Cags. You need to take all the presents itself as a learning experience and go with it. All things, good or bad, that happen to you in your life (regardless of your religious or non-religious beliefs) are learning experiences. You need open your mind and heart to them....or they are wasted. this is not jell-o.....its reality.
"Knowledge and Understanding is your only tools for guidance. Without either, you aimlessly wonder through life and never come to truly understand your own life."
See, I think you are incorrect on this one. It is preposterous to try to fully understand life, life after death, and even whether or not there is a god. There isn't any proof either way, and to not be able to acknowledge that is borderline insanity. So, therefore, in your search for truth, you aimlessly wonder through life ANYWAY. So, all anyone can do is get all the information they can and then come up with a conclusion that satisfies them...whether it be faith, science, or both...
And is being 'serious' about life really the way to go? Really? Look at all who is pure and innocent...look at who doesn't judge based on race, bias, career, age, social status, wealth...it is kids. Can you say you are better off (than kids who are seemingly ignorant) because you supposedly know the truth? Is your quest for knowledge and your 'serious' approach to life more fulfilling then a child who lives for the moment without a care in the world? Think about it...
Do I have to put it into simpler terms so you can understand?
Okay, you seem to think you know alot, but let's give a little clarity to how much you don't know.
How did the Universe come to be? Answered by science.
How did the Earth come to be? Answered by science.
How did the Humans come to be? Science still working on it.
Is Evolution Real? Answered by science.
Want PROOF of Evolution? Answered by Looking in the mirror.
The Human Consciousness IS Evolution! Duh!
And, as for those aimlessly walking around- accounts for anyone who isn't interested being open to more knowledge.
Perhaps- You fall into this category. Maybe, you don't. I'm not suggesting you do or don't.
I'm simply stating that if you close your mind to any idea, you are limiting your ability to grow your own knowledge and if you are willing to do that- then obviously you don't understand your life.
Why is that? Because, HUMANS feast on knowledge and understanding, so they can lead productive, caring and meaningful lives. If your life doesn't have meaning, then that is your fault and no one elses.
Another thing that seems to escape your grasp is that there is a time and place for everything. Most of the time your life must be serious and there is always time to relax.
A public forum discussing issues isn't a very good particular time to have FUN? Only brain-dead people would make such a dumb assumption. Those who actually go out of their way to make life more difficult for others.
If you don't like my view or how I say something or you need clarification- don't be afraid to ask. No question is ever stupid. People generally ask questions because they don't know something. If you're too ashamed to ask a question, there is no need to insult me by telling me I'm wrong.
The purpose of my post was not to insult you. I was just making a counterpoint of your point. My overall objective was to show you a different point of view, broaden your horizons. I would much rather view life as a joke rather than spend the rest of my life taking things too seriously, in any circumstance.
Personally, I think you are intelligent, and there is no doubt you do your own share of extensive research...good on you. Additionally, I like your posts. See, that's the difference between you and me. I understand that you have a different point of view. I gather in the information and learn from it. And then I move on. You, on the other hand, took my counterpoint and decided that it was a personal attack on you. It wasn't. There was no bashing of any kind in my statement. I just thought you were wrong. Thought, being the key word, an opinion. Do with that what you like, I'm done here.
Just something to be aware of Cagsil. When affirming someone elses affirming statement, it sounds condescending and quite patronizing. An evangelical was doing that often in the forums months ago and it passes a terrible space.
When you take "life" serious, as should, you take FULL control of your life can accumulate limitless power, which is presently still unrealized and then change your life, shape it what you want, remove blocked limitations and accomplish any task you set in front of you.
Without either- again, you wonder aimlessly through life, not knowing the better, but only come to determine life is hard.
When the TRUTH of life is that Life is easy. It's PEOPLE who make it complicated. If you let anyone control any part of your life, then you are not being responsible for ALL of your life.
If you're not being SELF responsible for all aspects of your life, then you obviously don't understand, the knowledge you have obtained about Life. Or, you lack the knowledge for understanding of what life means.
I apologize for the philosophy, but it's only logical.
I have no input on this question. Ive never died. Im not risking wasting this life on the idea that there might be more. As far as I know, they are not grading on a curve..so do your best!! I wanted to say..hey cagsil, like the new avitar!!
There is a program on TV now about the Mayans, Hopi Indians , some chinese guy and they say that science sudjests many sicientific probabilities points to 2012 as a catastrophic date. What would you say if The bible points to this date also ???
I don't think that the 2000 thing was anything similar. That had everything to do thinking that computers might not be able to comprehend a new number. The 2012 thing is kinda like when on the spring equonox an egg stands on end for about 45 seconds during the electrometic gravitational change taking place; such a simple thing from our prospective that happens twice a year going on un-noticed by most people. But in the southern states you can tell the diffrence just by taking notice of the apearence of the foilage. This event on dec 21, 2012 will be on a univerasl scale. that happens not twice a year but once every 25665 years. Moving from one season to another. And this is the tip of the iceburg.
Yes, but will your vibes be hellish, torturous, nightmarish in nature, or will your vibes be heavenly, peaceful, melodious vibes? If they are wrong and you are right, they lose nothing in the eternal end...but if they are right and your are wrong....eternity is a long, long long time for "I wish I wouldda, shouldda, couldda's....just didn't know, it didn't make sense to me....regrets to infinity....yes?
'Our conscious realization of the changes in this field of vibrations then gives us the illusion of time. Without this illusion, all there really is, is "Here and now". '...... eternity is "the one unending moment that never began..... it just vibrated because it "Just Is" ... and we are no less than the trees and the stars a part of this field of vibrations.
I love the vibrations of life in all it's illusions and splendor and have no fears associated with your coulda, shoulda statement.
absolutly ..there is life after death, our spirt and soul is everlasting...I know it is a touchy subject for some, so I will not elaboraate on this post ...but thank you for letting me get my 2 cents worth in...
Bad people go to Hell and good to Heaven. Who is bad? isn´t a bad human breaking the laws of GOD? and good human obeying them? Verily the transgressors will be the inhabitants of Hell-fire. People will be judged according to their deeds. Ignorancy is almost ruling the world.
Is there life after death, varies from person to person, it is personal perception. But, in Bible it is written : Your spirit & soul leave the body. Your body returns to dust and your spirit and soul returns to God. God then accepts you or rejects you depending on if you accepted Him or rejected Him in this life. Also, it says the dead are still waiting on their physical bodies to be resurrected from the grave.
GOD is not bad and HE is arrogant but not like bad-arrogant if you get my meaning. HE is like that beacause HE knows that HE is the Greatest who has the power to do anything. HE has gave you food, home, clothes an HE does what HE wants. HE takes a life when HE wants and HE gives life when HE wants.
"I AM" exists and is with everyone - those who claim faith in Jesus Christ and those who don't. God continually reaches out to all - those who claim faith in Jesus Christ and those who don't.
Christ will not return to earth to gather His church until all have heard and had the opportunity to accept His message of salvation or not accept it. The decision is yours.
Life DOES exist after death, but it is not a physical life, it is a spiritual life. Heaven exists for those who receive God's precious gift of salvation - which is something God earnestly desires for each mortal. Hell was created for satan and his brood. But Hell is not the "firey furnace" as most people think. It is eternal separation from God. Having had a loving relationship with him for the past 31 years, to be eternally separated from Him would, indeed be hell.
My beliefs on this subject has not changed much since sixth grade science class. Matter can not me annihilated. You can burn it and you simply change its form. Energy does not become nonexistent but simply moves to a diffrent location. We believe but we do not KNOW what form we will be changed into nor where the life energy goes; but they still "is". Maybe "GOOD and EVIL" will merge becoming ONE "Kinda like";... a pinch of salt, cup of sugar,a bit of baking powder, 3cups of flour,and an egg,add water and mix thoroughly; bake and ya got CAKE. Maybe our spirit is but one ingredient for something else.
Yea I'm wacky. But I gotta look at everything before I discard anything.
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