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    Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago

    CREATIONISM **ATHEISM**AGNOSTICISM**EVOLUTION..
        Who really knows the truth?

    1. Paraglider profile image89
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Rick - why should there be 'the truth'? I could write down several thousand truth statements about my left knee if I felt like it.

      The idea that there is one great truth doesn't make a lot of sense, nor does it fit with observation.

      In fact, check through these forums and you'll find 'The Truth' is little more than a club to beat folk around the head with.

      But good luck in your search wink

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        Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Don`t you think someone,somewhere knows whats really going on.You don`t think there is any difinitive answer?

        1. Colebabie profile image60
          Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Nope. And I think people waste an awful lot of time trying to find it, or trying to make others see it.

          1. mistywild profile image61
            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Agreed, no one should force their beliefs on others, it's not fair, we are all human and should be treated that way.

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              Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No one is forcing there opinions.This is all questions and answers.

              1. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I'm simply discussing.

        2. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The Universe exists.

          Life Exists.

          Accept it and move on.

          Why? the human race exists? Is NOT a collective meaning. We DEFINE ourselves and our own life. There isn't a collective meaning, and never can be, when we all have individual consciousness and consciences that can lead us astray.

          Meaning for Life is in the hands of the individual and always has been.

        3. Paraglider profile image89
          Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No, I don't think omniscience makes any sense either. Nor do I think there is a definitive question.

    2. mobilephone guide profile image57
      mobilephone guideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      you said it, Agnosticism.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    I do.

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      Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Just for the record..ME TOO!

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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I like you!

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          Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I like you too sneak.I`ve been watching your responses since joining.You like to kick up a rumpus too.That`s what I wanted to do with this.

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            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Like HOW?

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              sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Torture you for your lack of beliefs.

              1. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol lol

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              Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I just figured for some good strong responses.I like the in-depth debates.How are you Cagsil?I`m wishing you well.

              1. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I am doing well and Yourself today?

                I can see that your in a rare mood this evening.

                So, where do we start?

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                  Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Well,lets just start with you.I know you do not believe in God.How can you possibly believe that all things just happen to fall in order? Billions upon billions of events occouring instantly.Billions timesxxxxxxxxxxx all over our universe.There`s billions of galaxies with billions of stars.Billions of people on this little earth.Everything runs in perfect harmony.How?

                  1. pylos26 profile image74
                    pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    happen to fall in order...and...perfect harmony...Are you consious???

  3. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Realism?

    Hmm.... lol

  4. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    I'll go with agnosticism.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Cole,

      What's up lady? Hope you are well and relaxed. big_smile

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hey! I'm pretty good, can't believe its almost the weekend already. Lots of studying to do. But all is well smile How are you?

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Feeling relaxed and ready to go at the same time.

          Thank you for asking. big_smile

    2. drej2522 profile image84
      drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      same same...all the way!

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      Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There is just too much going on.Someone has to be running the show.Do you not see anything that might indicate a God?

      1. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Doesn't matter. There could be something that may indicate a God. But someone may not know if there is one for sure.

    4. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'll see your agnosticism and raise you an evolution.

      1. drej2522 profile image84
        drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        ha, clever

      2. Colebabie profile image60
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I call.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ok, show'em

          1. Colebabie profile image60
            Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I have an Ace Ventura dvd  , a Kings of Leon Album, a Queen from Miami named Rodrigo, a Jack Daniels bottle, and 10 hot blondes... all of hearts. Sucka!

            1. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol that's pretty - cool

            2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That is so hot.....

              I need some "alone time" now.

              1. Colebabie profile image60
                Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Ok, don't make a mess.

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  That would defeat the purpose.

              2. drej2522 profile image84
                drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                umm, I don't get it. It's just poker....

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    I'm making up a new one...Imaginatism lol

  6. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Hey Rick,

    What are you trying to grasp at?

    You want to know - How everything lines up? How everything works?

    That's a bit much don't you think? There's a lot of information that goes into explaining such things, and cannot be simply explained by one definite answer.

    So, I'll have to make this brief:

    The Universe came to be. Science has proven this. Science, specific "space exploration" is still in it's infant stages. But, mapping our own galaxy is almost finished. I recently did some research on that.

    As for - Why does the Universe exist? Is only a question theologians and mystics use to keep the argument of 'god' going, as it has.

    Why the Universe exists? Isn't a question need ever be answered.

    How the Earth came to be? Science has proven that too.

    That's just like, the Moon that orbits Earth- if it wasn't where it is...Would life on Earth be much different? Sure it would. Severely different.

    Why does the moon obrit Earth and How it was formed? Were defined by science.

    Where did mankind come from? Obviously, this question has still to be answered by science. How ever, a mystical explanation isn't the answer either, because the mystical realm for which you want to use for explanation is ALSO not defined by science.

    Does Evolution Really Factual Science? Yes, it is, simply based on the HUMAN BEINGS that inhabit Earth. We are walking examples of Evolution.

    Anything else?

    I'm trying to keep my posts smaller. I'm getting complaints that I post too long of statements.

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      Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Just the moon orbiting the earth.Gravity is just a scientific term.It...can`t really be proven.It`s a theory.Just a word.What makes all things(planets)be suspended?How does our galaxy rotate every 365 days and come back to the same place?There just has to be more.Just because it`s drawn out on paper and we think we know the answer,that to me is not absolute proof.

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Okay, so now you're telling me- the basis for all science is just a theory and absolutely none it is accurate?

        I just want to make sure I have your position. Because, the second you claim GRAVITY is only a theory, then you've thrown everything else science has done out the window.

        Because, humankind's science works inconjuction with Gravity as a variable. And, if you're going to dismiss Gravity as not scientific fact? Then, science doesn't actually exist and it's a scam like the bible.

        Hmm....?

        1. mistywild profile image61
          mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            whoops, my father was a devout scientist on top of everything else.

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          Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          We know something exists,we just call it gravity.But what is it really.No ,I don`t wish to disregard science.I guess maybe my mind is more in the mystic tonight.As I once told a man,"I was thinking the opposite of what I was thinking."

          1. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Excuse me. I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that 'gravity' is science fact. We know it exists. We can measure it. We can not reproduce it. And, we don't need to.

            There is a reason why our lives are LIVED in reality. A broad objective reality, where we define reality one piece at a time.

            It's always good to stay within the boundaries of your mind and reality. Why? Your health takes a toll, otherwise, because you are going against the nature of your life.

            If I need to explain any part of that. Please let me know.

      2. pylos26 profile image74
        pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sir...don't know where you were taught your basic astronomy...but it's not the milky way rotating every 365 days...but our earth.

  7. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    How about "to each his own"

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    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    Hmmmmm, I didn't catch the trick question..... I believe there is other life out there, there is NO WAY we are the only race of people or whatever. And yes, I am a faithful believer. But I was raised half atheist, half I don't give a $hit. So I am capable of viewing things from different points.

    1. drej2522 profile image84
      drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      hmmm, interesting Misty. I think I mentioned in another forum (somewhere) that children should be subjected to all points of view and then make their decision without any parental influences. I'm curious..with your personal experiences, what's your point of view on my statement?

      1. mistywild profile image61
        mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Can you please repeat the original statement? I got lost along the way.

        1. drej2522 profile image84
          drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          oh...should children be subjected to all points of view and then make their decision without any parental influences?...smile

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            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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              mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              sorry, exhales, absolutely. I believe that 100%. It's how I plan to raise my children. I will let them know my points of view but will allow them to research and make their own decision, of course, I don't think I would really do that until they were a bit older.

      2. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I would suggest you read her hubs and get her view point. It might be easier than her trying to explain it all.

        1. drej2522 profile image84
          drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks

          1. mistywild profile image61
            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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          Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You asked about other life.What`s your  take on it?

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            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You've read my hubs? lol

          2. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Exactly as I just said- Human life exists on other planets.

            Just like we exist here. The question is who will be visiting who first? lol

            1. mistywild profile image61
              mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              We can't even make it to Mars... sooooo, me thinks not us....

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                Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I`ve always believed there were others.I`m sure they`re a dang sight smarter than we are too.When President Jimmy Carter says he saw others,I believe him.

                1. mistywild profile image61
                  mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  it's impossible to think otherwise, at least that's my thought on it.

                2. Cagsil profile image61
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Like I said before- Circle of Life.

                  I'm not saying that there isn't 'alien' life, aside from human. But, I'm also not discounting it out either. I'm open for another species civilization somewhere else. I think it would be cool.

                  But, I more inclined to be based on what we know in reality.

                  The Universe came.

                  The Universe created Earth, it happened(no explanation needed).

                  Earth created Human Beings, how it happened is still being worked on by science.

                  Evolutionary science is FACT- Human race evolve consciousness.

                  It boils down to what we know about 'true' reality, which is time and space, or interdimensional realities or whether or not those exist?

                  The Life we live is in an objective reality, which is defined by things we bring into reality, either through science, philosophy, physiology or whatever.

                  Each person is a fully conscious human being and if more people actly like one, instead of being lead by the hand, then the world would surely be a better place.

  9. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    I'm sure you don't want this thread to go that way. And if ya do.. I'm out!

  10. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    to further explain, children, toodlers need something to believe in and it's up to the parents to provide that in the initial years but come puberty, come curosity, so that's when I think it's okay to let them make their own decisions about their beliefs, political stance, or sexuality... whatever it happens to be.

  11. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    who asked about other life?

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    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    I can explain, happy to. (that whole quote thing is blowing my mind, making me dizzy or something)

    1. drej2522 profile image84
      drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you, Misty. I thought I was bringing up a good topic within the forum.

      And it's cool you feel that way...Everyone should find their own way.

  13. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    I tolf yall the quote boxes are throwing me for a loop right?

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    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    Cheers to that Casgil big_smile

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    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    Hey dreg you can go read my hubs if you want. but if you weren't finished let me know.

  16. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    Cagil...you're making more enemies than you are friends here, man. Why is everything a personal attack...on YOU? How about this...why don't you step off that large ass pedestal you have built for yourself and literally come back down to Earth? What's your obsession with having everyone agree with you? Just STOP!

    Calm down! It really is not THAT SERIOUS!!! It's on every forum, man!

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Everybody calm down. hmm

    2. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I've not.

  17. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    agreed, misty...(calming down) smile

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      big_smile

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    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    See this is why people cannot discuss politics and religion, it's always to personal.

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      or somehow becomes personal

    2. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But, people are taking my statements as attacks?

      Unknown how?

      I've not said anything bad.

      I wasn't disagreeing with anyone, except to prove factual points.

      So, I get where the attitude is coming from.

  19. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    and my stonehenge is better tongue

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

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    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    so everyone got ran off then?

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    Rick Marlowposted 7 years ago

    Hey Cagsil,I`m gonna have to bail out.I`m having trouble with my heart failure.Can`t breath,lungs fullof fluid.Like to talk tomorrow with you, thanks.What time you online?

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Take care of yourself.

      Talk with tomorrow.

      Be safe.

    2. drej2522 profile image84
      drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ya, man...take it easy. good forum!

    3. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wow, you okay?

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    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    well, some people are thick headed and can't see two different things at the same time.

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      or they get defensive

    2. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I couldn't agree more. lol

  23. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    and yes there I believe there are other forms of existence other than ourselves, the universe is too big. It's insane to think we are teh only beings.

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      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am typing horribly hmm

  24. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    I agree with you most of the time. There are just a few things we vary on, which is all subject to interpretation...I'm just tired of hearing it! I'm not one to try to subject my whole belief system upon everyone. If someone asks me a question I'll answer it, but I'm not going to go into elaborate detail.

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      as you shouldn't, that's kind the same stance I have.

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        mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        *kinf of

        1. mistywild profile image61
          mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I give up, yall pardon the misprints

    2. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are more than welcome to believe what you want. I'm not here to challenge your belief system.

      Even, if I don't agree with your method for forming your beliefs.

      If what I say, sinks in, even in the slightest degree, then I've planeted a seed.

      That's all.

      Sooner or later, society is going to have to wake the F&&K up and realize that the 'status quo' in society has to change.

      And, I am of the understanding it is within my power as a human being to bring about a change.

      You can keep your beliefs, but I forewarn- if you read my hubs and you understand them- you're beliefs will be changed forever.

      You will not be able to hold on to the belief you have in "god" or the mystical realm he resides in.

      My acknowledge of 'god' is only out of respect for anyone who has religious beliefs. The fact that I use the word at all is because it's the only word created to define him.

      I'm of the view- GOD doesn't exist. And, I'm of no religion whatsoever.

      I don't get into the argument- Prove GOD Does Not Exist? B.S.!

      Why? I say, "He doesn't exist!", in reality. If you want to talk about outside our reality, then it isn't real.

      The argument is going to be- PROVE God Exists! Give up proof that GOD really does exist. You may NOT use a bible, for which it is man-made.

      In ALL of reality so far, that we've explored- GOD has not been found. Therefore, he is non-existent.

      To believe the opposite is naive, to say the least and against the nature your life.

      1. mistywild profile image61
        mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I have read your hubs, they have blown my mind, but I am able to see two things at the same time.. I have an open mind.

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          mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this


          You write very well by the way.

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            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'll have to think up something for you to write for me... lol

            1. mistywild profile image61
              mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              not for me, but as a request from you

        2. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you.

          I'll take that as a compliment and just say- another seed planted.

          Not that you needed any help. lol

          1. mistywild profile image61
            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I told you I am very open minded but I, well you read my poem.

  25. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    <<<<<<<the last humanist...I believe everyone should have the right to believe whatever they want..ignorant or not. There are some days I wish could wash away my thought process. Where I could go blindly into a religion and not ask questions. I cannot. Soooo, in the meantime, I just like to have fun!...a lot...or try to smile

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      religion is a very specific term.

  26. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    pick one...smile

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      we'll let's see, as I said, I was raise half athesist and all that, my father was a scientist, my mother was just there.... I went to a Lutheran school and then to a Baptist school, all while attending a Methodist church (which I am still a member of) so I don't wanna pick one big_smile

      1. mistywild profile image61
        mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        if I must, how about a general one..... you pick. someone pick....

  27. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    ehhh, i was just ranting because...bahhh, I think I've made myself clear.

    How about this? My father was raised Catholic. My biological mother was Buddhist. My stepmother, I call 'Mom', was Methodist. Oh, and I was an Army Brat. Good combo, confused as hell.

  28. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    I never said I believed in God...the fact is, "I don't know"...And all the research in the world cannot prove otherwise. So, what's the point? You want global change? Where there are over 1 billion Catholics (alone), in the world? What, change one person at a time?

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Catholics are going to take over the world lol, seriously, they don't believe in birth control..

    2. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      See, you're thinking like one of them 'sheep', per se. You are limiting yourself to see the bigger picture.

      If YOU were 100% conscious and conscientious, about everything that you thought and did, and it was reinforced with honesty.

      Your life would be completely different than it is right now.

      Guaranteed!

      But, many people don't. Many don't accept full responsibility for their life. Why? Because, religion directly tells them that they are ONLY human and NOT worthy.

      It makes people feel like dirt and that's what society has become.

      1. mistywild profile image61
        mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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          mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, no no, I accept FULL reponsibility for my life and my actions, I don't try to pass it off to a higher power, per se. My screwups are my own, my joy is my own, my life is my own.

          1. mistywild profile image61
            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            it's my heart that is not my own, I guess you would say.

            1. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It is inside your body isn't?

              It is yours to open up to others, isn't?

              It is yours to close to others, isn't?

              It is yours to stop, should you decide?

              It's ALL yours!

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                mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Of course it beats in my chest, I was talking about love.

                1. Cagsil profile image61
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Love is a relative thing. It comes, it goes. Sometimes, it shows up when you don't want it to and sometimes it escapes the hands that seek it.

                  Sooner or later- each and every person experiences at least in some way or another and their content.

                  The individual connection between soul-mates is nice. I've felt it. How ever, she isn't feeling it anymore and left. lol

                  It's okay. I moved on to look for another.

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                    mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    well, good for you. I've been married for almost 10 years and it's been hard but I wouldn't trade it, so I guess I got lucky there.

      2. drej2522 profile image84
        drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        sorry, power shutdown and of course I had to respond!

        I understand where you are coming from and I cannot say that I disagree with you. I will say this, I never blame anyone else for what I do...I'm about as honest, maybe too honest, as anyone can get. And it's funny that you would mention 'sheep', because I am anything but "with the crowd". But you are right. I am oblivious of many things, and I admit it. See, I wasn't questioning your belief. I'm questioning your motive. I quietly search for inner truth. I take in many points of view and then evaluate. Have I gone full circle? No. I'm taking my time. And that's why I oppose you. You can't have fun and take on responsibility?

        1. mistywild profile image61
          mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You can't? I have fun all the time. big_smile

          1. mistywild profile image61
            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            what exactly part of inner truth are you seeking?

        2. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You can't have fun and take on responsibility.

          The above statement- there is always a time for fun, but not before responsibility.

          Many people procrastinate, push of things they need to do or don't feel like doing. This is negative and weighs the body down with stress, which really isn't needed.

          My motives is to spread knowledge and understanding. I've lived many years with answers about LIFE itself.

          I've come to the conclusion, since my questions have been answered, then my only task(purpose of my life) is make others aware of what I have learned.

          I'm of the impression that 'everyone' doesn't have a grip on my clarity. Because, I've answered the question I needed to explain my life to me.

          That may be difficult to understand, but I truly can relate to almost anything, as long as you stay within the confines of reality.

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            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      you still here?

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    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    I have my theories about certain things that could possibly blow your mind, probably not though.

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      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      <-- to casgil

    2. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My dear, there are probably lots of ways you could possibly blow my mind. lol cool lol

      But, let's not get into that. lol

      1. mistywild profile image61
        mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I was speaking of writing sir. theorys big_smile

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Did I say anything that indicated otherwise?

          Hmm.....wonder where you mind is or resides? In the gutter?

          Don't feel bad....mines one level lower...in the sewer beneath the gutter. lol lol lol

          1. mistywild profile image61
            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            have you read my hubs??

            1. mistywild profile image61
              mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this
            2. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, I do.

              Just got done reading the FeelSexy Hub.

              Left a comment for you and rated it up. lol

              1. mistywild profile image61
                mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                thank you big_smile

                1. mistywild profile image61
                  mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm gonna have to take a day to read your pages, your writing is very deep.

                  1. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    And, the sad thing- is that it is factual. I've learned it all and am a walking example of what I spread for knowledge.

  30. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    REALISM at that.

  31. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    misty...i think I'm searching for real meaning...just a simple why really. Evolution is not an answer. And worshipping a God is not an answer. Why is there existence?...I don't want know how, where, when...just why.

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I have a very simple answer....

    2. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Evolution can be the only answer.

      Just to be on the same page.......

      Do you think mankind was ALWAYS conscious?

    3. Evolution Guy profile image61
      Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why?

      Evolution does not attempt to answer that question. It is a scientific fact. Sadly - people who believe in God (or some of them) are unable to grasp the truth that some people "believe" in things for reasons other than faith.

      Evolution happens but will not explain "why".
      God - one god of the many to choose from may or may not exist. If He does , He does not get a pronoun and does not interfere in the process of evolution.
      The Christian God almost certainly does not exist - his fan club is enough to convince me of that.
      Agnosticism is the closest to REALITY.

      But I do love taking an absolute position and listening to all religionists shouting about proof! And arguing that if you cannot 100% disprove a negative it must be true. Therefore their god is the one true god. lol

      Sheeple who beleeb in jeebus sure are funny. big_smile

      Every time one of them tells me he has the truth and mentions "liberal idiots" a few sentences later I am further convinced that their fairy tail is just that. It hasn't made sense since the day I learned to read for myself.

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

        Btw- drej isn't a believer in 'god'. So try not to be harsh. lol

        1. drej2522 profile image84
          drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm definitely agnostic...for i don't know crap!

          Evolution Guy...btw, i have always found your posts hilarious!...in a good way

          1. Evolution Guy profile image61
            Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks - that is the intention. Sadly I had to adopt this persona after some pretty vitriolic "fan mail" from some of the believers. I cannot seem to get through to them that of they do not want their beliefs laughed at - they should not have such funny beliefs.

            Evolution happens. There is no question about this and anyone who argues against it is defending a ridiculous faith based belief that has now been disproven. The christian god did not create us a few thousand years ago in our present form.

            Anything else they say on any subject is therefore worthless because they are unable to make a rational decision and the fact that they survived this long is testament to the "random" aspect of the evolutionary process. Eventually human females will refuse to mate with this type and they will die out. It might take a while all the time they insist on teaching their little children to ask jeebus to forgive them at age three. wink

            As to answering the question "why?" - I personally do not think this is answerable. And the sensible answer is - "It doesn't matter if you cannot answer it."

            The only reason we have gods is because a lot of people are not satisfied with not having an answer - and this is a really, really easy answer that requires no thought or effort on their part. It is even written down in a book that some preacher will explain to you word for word. Not that they agree - but that is not important - what is important is that they have an answer. wink

            1. mistywild profile image61
              mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              what would you say if I told you I was a christian that believed in evolution?

              1. mistywild profile image61
                mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                and the yare funny beliefs big_smile

              2. Evolution Guy profile image61
                Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I would ask to justify that because this make absolutely no sense.

                Evolution can not possibly be the way your god decided to "create us in his own image."

                There can not have been a guiding hand and a developmental destination, for a number of reasons, not least of which, this also implies that evolution has stopped. Which is not possible.

                1. mistywild profile image61
                  mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I knew you would say that, it does throw people for a loop. Evolution happened but that does not mean I don't FEEL a eexistence beyond myself. I said I used the term Christian very bbroadly.

                  1. mistywild profile image61
                    mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I had a very strange childhood.

                  2. Evolution Guy profile image61
                    Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    We all feel an existence beyond ourselves. That is the rest of life and we are a part of it. There are many ways to connect to this in a stronger fashion. Sweat lodges, fasting, ritual prayer, chanting, drumming, kundalini yoga - many ways. None of which will answer why? - But may lead you to see that an answer is unnecessary once you can let go the fear of death.

                    The term "christian" applies solely to those people who think this is actually a god. And further - we are born in sin and this god needed to become his own son and die for us an a cross that never was.

                    Once you have done a little research and realize this entire story was concocted for monetary reasons and to combat JC's (Julius Caesar) claim to divinity, the whole thing makes a lot more sense.

  32. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    lmao at the confines of reality... lol lol

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why you laughing?

      1. mistywild profile image61
        mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Because people are strange, strange enought to have to even make that statement.

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well, people like to be specific nowadays, they want it their own way or they don't want it.

          I'm sorry, reality is the only choice for logical conversation.

          1. mistywild profile image61
            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I completely agree

  33. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    does anyone want to hear my answer?

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sure, give your answer. I'll all ears, just for you? lol

      1. mistywild profile image61
        mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well the question was why.... why this and that.... my simple answer... why not?

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Cute! lol

          1. mistywild profile image61
            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            it wasn't meant to be cute hmm

            1. drej2522 profile image84
              drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              maybe you're just cute (wink)

              1. mistywild profile image61
                mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol, thanks, cute and very married. big_smile

                1. drej2522 profile image84
                  drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh..and by the way...everyone needs a backup..or a backup of a backup...ha, moral I am!

            2. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I know.

              1. mistywild profile image61
                mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Well now I ask you, why are you laughing then?

                1. Cagsil profile image61
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Because I find laughter in all learning of people, as individuals. It a sense of enjoyment.

                  1. mistywild profile image61
                    mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    well then lol

  34. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    damnit, i really wanted to go dive into irrational thought!

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      huh?

      1. drej2522 profile image84
        drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I was going along with what you were saying..you were laughing at Cagsil comment about the confines of reality and I was being sarcastic by saying that I wanted to 'dive' into irraional thought.

        smile

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Just curious and I really want to help if I can.

          What is that you need answered about your life that seems to be missing?

          What questions are YOU looking for answers about?

          1. mistywild profile image61
            mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I asked the same thing..

            1. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I believe it.

          2. drej2522 profile image84
            drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Other than why?...hmm, how does someone, like myself, become greater than what they really are? I would love to make a difference (the whole one man can...thing), but I don't know how. Or where to begin.

            I know I'm always searching for knowledge, more and more everyday. It can be useless, it can be fun...but always knowledge. I love history, the sciences, politics, arts, literature...pretty much name it, I seek knowledge in it. But all I'm doing is improving..myself. How to be great...ahhh..there it is. And I'm not talking about vanity here.

            1. mistywild profile image61
              mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              you ry a little harder every day to make you the best you that you can be, if that makes sense.

            2. Cagsil profile image61
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Okay, first thing.

              Accept that Universe simple exists. Science has told how it come to be.

              Second, understand- life simply exists. We can about, because Earth to be what it is. Earth creator for life.

              Now- Why are you here? Why were you born?

              These two questions are for you to answer- but, I might be able to lend a hand.

              Why are you here? This can be taken two different ways- (a) you are here because you were born, or (b) You have yet to pick a purpose for your own life.

              Why were you born? Ask your parent why they had you. That will be the end of that.



              This part is the hardest part about life to explain. No knowledge is ussless. Nothing of the things you learn is ever useless. You might not have a use for them now- but, could possibly have a need for it later.

              I have found that I use my eyes to absorb, just as much as my mind, knowledge in everything I see. I pay very close attention to all the details/encounters I have with people outside, and right after I'm done interacting with them- I run the entire event back thru mind and see what I learned.

              Then, I go on with my life. It only takes a second, to look introspectively, and then go about your life.

              What you learn is remarkable, as long as you pay attention to the details. And, I mean everything.

              1. drej2522 profile image84
                drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                sounds like Batman..smile I love comics..smile

        2. mistywild profile image61
          mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lmoa, sorry, I'm a little slower than usual.

  35. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    evolution--- you sound very much like my father.

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There is a possibility I'm old enough to be your father. lol

      Just kidding.

      Evolution - Walking PROOF is the Human Race.

      1. mistywild profile image61
        mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You'da had to be 11, but I was talking to Evolution Guy lol

  36. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    it does, misty...simple smile

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      my husband taught me that, actually.

      1. mistywild profile image61
        mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        no he didn't, I think for myself but luckly he thinks the same way.

  37. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    I use the term christian very broadly.

  38. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    Did I step on toes or something? Did everyone run?

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Or am I going to be bombarded with a WTH was that.

  39. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    i'm still here

    EvolutionGuy...Fair enough...it's a solution that I always run into...I do not like it!..ha..therefore, I try to search for another outcome.

  40. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    The only next evolution for mankind is in how much of their brain power the actually use.

    That's the next step and with society as it is right now- that step will take a few more centuries, unless something is started now to prevent it from taking so long.

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      how come some people can use more of their brain power than others, that doesn't seem quite fair to me.

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        To my understanding, we each live on a different clarity level.

        Which effects our learning process. You're not taught how to think - everything around teaches you what to think. Everything that isn't teaching what to think, is trying sway how you think, so they(whomever) can benefit from your efforts or from your bank account.

        At least, that's how I see things.

        1. mistywild profile image61
          mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          pretty decent way to see things

  41. mistywild profile image61
    mistywildposted 7 years ago

    how do yall jump from post to post. I have enough trouble with one.

  42. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Hey drej,

    The other thing you were talking about- How to make a difference(being you are only one person)? Is to think positively that you can and will make a difference.

    You have to have your own spiritual uplift, and it must come from your effort. If you're trying to change the world, then you start small, and work it until it grows.

    Learn whatever you can about owning or running a business. This will help lead to other things, like knowledge of charities and non profit companies, and what they do or how they help society.

    If you're unable to own a business, then I would suggest looking to opportunities for community activities. Something that can build a strong relationship with those around you. And, work your way outward.

    I'm going to be posting a more detail array of hubs, which will include additional findings about life. How ever, my research isn't specifically set up, so I can just publish out right.

    My research was originally for my knowledge and understanding only. But, once I got my answers- I was overwhelmed with what I learned, I was compelled to venture outward.

    I hope that helped.

    1. drej2522 profile image84
      drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      honestly, it did...or at least reinforced some things that I previously thought

  43. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Okay people, I've got to get some sleep.

    It's 3:30am here.

    I'm starting to get tired.

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm almost asleep myself, and I have to be up early.neutral

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Good night misty. I had fun. Thank you for your time.

    2. drej2522 profile image84
      drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      same same...my Stonehenge is still better! yikes)

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's okay. I'll give you that one. lol

        Good night.

        1. mistywild profile image61
          mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Nite nite, see yall around!!

  44. debugs profile image64
    debugsposted 7 years ago

    I believe in God. Though I do not believe in religion. Neither do I believe in hell.

    1. drej2522 profile image84
      drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      believing in God is believing in a religion...I gotta go, but I had to say that!

      1. debugs profile image64
        debugsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        At least it's MY religion, I concluded that there MUST be God...and it isn't the traditional God. My God is good, He?she doesn't roast people forever in hell...

        1. Evolution Guy profile image61
          Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That is what everybody does. It always just so happens that god agrees with your world view and wants what you want. How very strange.................. smile

          1. debugs profile image64
            debugsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Nice to know I'm not alone then smile

        2. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          For some strange reason, you've reasoned yourself to believing you- have your own 'GOD'?

          This is insanity. Please seek help, for you have delusions.

          As for thinking there is no hell? Yet, GOD resides in Heaven.

          Just to let you know- YOU cannot have one without the other and you thougth process has been skewed by your foolish belief.

          That's a real shame.

  45. drej2522 profile image84
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    Finally, I win one! Yes!...

    And Misty..I wasn't being serious earlier...

    1. mistywild profile image61
      mistywildposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I know that goofy, it's all good.

      1. drej2522 profile image84
        drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        goofy?...yeah, you're right!

  46. profile image0
    zampanoposted 7 years ago

    Why does it seem so strange ?
    People believe what suits them best in a way or another, no ?

    1. Evolution Guy profile image61
      Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No - I was being sarcastic. Of course people invent a god to suit them. That is why there is no god. smile

  47. profile image0
    zampanoposted 7 years ago

    It's really a matter of "adoption"

  48. profile image0
    zampanoposted 7 years ago

    I must be going right now.
    But one of these days, I'll argue you about the proselitism you borrow so often from the religious...
    hehehe

    1. Evolution Guy profile image61
      Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It drives them crazy. I keep telling them I am a mirror. They usually fail to see it. smile

      "People who do not believe are fools."
      "The golden rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

      They just don't get it. lol

      1. profile image0
        zampanoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well a bit sadistic of you. hehehe
        Sometimes, I take you too seriousely.
        It must be that beard...

  49. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Evolution Guy wrote...   The bible and Christians made the rule. You cannot be a christian if you do not accept jesus christ as............... well - there are lots of different christian cults and they do not all agree - hence the wars.

        Very true, you can not be a christian unless you believe in Christ, You should be a boy to join the boy scouts. Can a boy join the girl scouts?
      In order to join a mountain climbers club you need to at least say ya would like to climb a mountain. It is not absolutely necessary but to call yourself a fisherman it helps to own your own fishing pole.
        So is it really wrong for Christians to require a person to at least say that they believe in Christ to become a member of their club?

  50. profile image0
    zampanoposted 7 years ago

    Who debugs cagsil ?

 
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