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religion is dead

  1. pylos26 profile image76
    pylos26posted 7 years ago

    Religion is dead…stepped over and left behind by educated thinkers…remaining remnants left standing continue to crumble as last of non-thinkers roll back into earth’s dust, water and atmosphere, non-thinkers heaven.  The truth hurts.

    1. Flightkeeper profile image77
      Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

    2. Lady_E profile image81
      Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No, it doesn't - the comments are merely your opinion. smile

      1. pylos26 profile image76
        pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        But...I've never had an opinion.

    3. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed that 'religion' is to become dead and not practiced.

      How ever, 'religion' MUST be revealed for what it is and for what it is not.

      The simple fact that many people "believe" or have "faith", in a non-existent 'god', makes absolutely no logical sense.

      Yes, faith- allows you to believe in whatever you want, but if you don't spend most of your life inside reality and more time in a non-reality place, then you're most likely to miss out on your life and it's meaning(a real purpose, which worshipping a 'god' is not a real purpose, because it's based on imaginary characters you've created in your mind.)

      The 'way' you form your belief is due to a lack of knowledge and understanding you have on life itself. And, the FACT that you don't see it, is not much of a surprise.

      @ Valerie F.

      You are correct - religion is NOT superstition.

      Religion is a CORE belief which allows one to obtain or attain, "Enlightenment" and nothing more.

      Enlightenment is Consciousness, to be one with oneself.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is this truth or your opinion? Thanks for the invite big_smile

      1. pylos26 profile image76
        pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I have no opinions...only hard facts.

    5. RKHenry profile image79
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Religion is over rated.

      1. Bovine Currency profile image61
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        95?  Clearly you are over rated.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"

      Some believe the idea of God died in the Holocaust.

      wink  I'd suspect a certain notion of religion and God died, but as this thread is testimony to, for many hiding out in their caves, this is not so.

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Friedrich Nietzsche- a true humanist/nihilist went insane. He unfortunately is a prime example of a life with no God.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe so...for his biography. 

          His ideas are not at odds with God, however, just the notion of God brought forward, I believe, with the Christian thinkers at the end of the Classical period who wanted to meld human ethics teaching to the notion of the divine.

        2. Uninvited Writer profile image83
          Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And of course, we all know that Christians never go insane or suffer any sort of mental illness...

          1. wyanjen profile image87
            wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Not in a secular way, anyway...

  2. ediggity profile image61
    ediggityposted 7 years ago

    I am a little confused.  Wouldn't earth's dust, water and atmosphere be elements that "educated thinkers" believe in?  A "non thinkers" heaven would be with GOD wouldn't it?

    1. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The answer to your question is obviously Yes and No.

      1. ediggity profile image61
        ediggityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Obviously.

  3. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I am told that the saved will walk on the ashes of the wicked. Is that what you are talking about?

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you believe everything you are told, as tho it's facts?

    2. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      At that time, you will put these wretched non-believers in their place.  Arrogance beyond belief! lol lol lol

    3. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        were talking about the dust and dirt that God created?

        1. pylos26 profile image76
          pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sounds like another of your biblical interpretations.

    4. Pr0metheus profile image60
      Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And you think praying to a christian god exempts you from the status of "wicked"?  Oh how naive religionists are...

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know if the ignorant join the wicked. we'll find out.

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Find out what? After you dead? lol

          You'll learn nothing after you're dead. Your brain stops working and you are gone. No thoughts, No actions, no nothing.

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            thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You've died before haven't you?

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Your question is irrelevant. If I had died before, then I would be here talking to you.

              DUH!

              Keep it real people.

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                thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                That's right, so you don't know. Keep that real!

                1. Cagsil profile image83
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Just like you DO NOT know GOD exist.

                  So, put that in your pipe and smoke it! lol

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                    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol  lol

              2. chambersgirl21 profile image62
                chambersgirl21posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I think its a perfectly relevant question. Its like a person who has never been shot by a bullet saying he knows what it feels like to be shot by a bullet.

                However you are correct when it comes to dieing. We do not know anything when we are dead, we are "asleep" that is until Jesus comes comes back to redeem us.

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                  Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Mmmm, you had most of that right anyhow. smile

                2. wyanjen profile image87
                  wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  But, how do you know it's correct about dying?
                  You've never been dead, have you?

                  1. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Thank you Jen.

                  2. chambersgirl21 profile image62
                    chambersgirl21posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No I have not died, I have the Bible that tells me everything I need to know.

              3. sooner than later profile image61
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The question became extremely relevant when you stated- "You'll learn nothing after you're dead. Your brain stops working and you are gone. No thoughts, No actions, no nothing.

                Please put the pipe down. please.

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                  Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Or at least pass it around. lol

                  1. chambersgirl21 profile image62
                    chambersgirl21posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    haha

        2. Pr0metheus profile image60
          Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The Religious better hope not.

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    Revive@OwnRiskposted 7 years ago

    It certainly is dead to those who want it dead. And it certainly is very much alive in those who want it alive.

    "Educated" and "thinkers" include believers and non-believers.

    It's not all one way or the other. It's more like dusk where light and dark intermingle and there is not fine line between absolute light and absolute dark.

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    alwardiposted 7 years ago

    Apparently I read in papers that more educated people are turning to religion each day. Haven't heard any news of the opposite though so far. Would love to see the individual statistics to identify and establish the trend

    1. Evolution Guy profile image60
      Evolution Guyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL

      Well, if you read it in the papers, it must be true. lol

      More educated people are rejecting your ridiculous beliefs every day.

      Too bad huh?

      What difference does it make to you if people are beginning to reject your irrational belief system? Do you not have a "personal relationship with god"? Lololollololo

      1. Shades of Gray profile image59
        Shades of Grayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think you've missed the point. Where are the facts that you refer too?  That was the question.

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It might be better if YOU could present some REAL facts about your "GOD", because none exists.

          And, Yes, I know you have your bible- THAT IS NOT FACTS!

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            lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Brilliant Babe - this is nauseating at best hmm:

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              Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol

            2. pylos26 profile image76
              pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ah Ha...knew you were ill.

          2. Shades of Gray profile image59
            Shades of Grayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            How quickly you jump to conclusions.  Just the facts, that's all that was asked.

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Exactly, and the BIBLE provides NO FACTS!

              Who is jumping to conclusions? YOU ARE!

              If you don't want to see that or refuse to see that then it is your own fault.

              Don't blame me.

              1. sooner than later profile image61
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                WHY ARE YOU YELLING!!!!! smile

                1. Cagsil profile image83
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yelling requires sound. Please.

              2. Shades of Gray profile image59
                Shades of Grayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I don't blame you for anything.  You appear to be confused.  I've not mentioned the bible.  Again, where are your facts so that people who are interested in reading them can.  If you don't want to share your facts with others who are looking for an honest debate, then one has to assume they don't exist.

                1. Cagsil profile image83
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You thinking is a little off kilter?

                  You're looking for Facts of what?

                  I don't have to prove GOD don't exist.

                  You have prove he does exist.

                  Science says - He is NON-existent.

                  1. sooner than later profile image61
                    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    The science you are talking about has 200 years of cleanup to do- but when they discover their "facts" are not acurate, they usaully don't tell YOU. smile

                  2. Shades of Gray profile image59
                    Shades of Grayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm not trying to prove he exists.  What science text, magazine, periodical are you referring too?  I've asked for direction and you have given none.  Pontification, no substance.

                  3. Shades of Gray profile image59
                    Shades of Grayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm not trying to prove he exists.  What science text, magazine, periodical are you referring too?  I've asked for direction and you have given none.  Pontification, no substance.

        2. pylos26 profile image76
          pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Shades of Gray...sad that you deny education.

        3. pylos26 profile image76
          pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. pylos26 profile image76
            pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe you could read more than one paper.

  6. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    Religion defies logic in many ways.  It makes no sense that it still exists in the Twenty-First century, and in light of all the education and advances in science.  At this time in man's evolution he is still not ready to stop relying on superstition for guidance.  Baffling!!!

    1. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The thing that bothers most is that its not going away. Even in the 21'st century.

      Voltaire- "Another century and there will not be a Bible on earth!"
      This was written in the 1700's and he was a sharper fool than most in here.

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sharper fool than most in here?

        Are you basing your knowledge by what exactly? Your own interpretations? What else is new.

        It only accounts for your lack of knowledge and doesn't do anything those who have an understanding of life.

        If you're planning on calling people 'fools', be sure to look in the mirror for judgement of thyself.

        1. sooner than later profile image61
          sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm sure his active brain matter was twice that of your Cag. what a waste of a mind.

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you for your input.

            Useless to prove any real point, just like normal.

            But, the knowledge I gain is pleasing.

            Again, Thank You.

      2. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Your God does not exist! tongue

  7. The Rope profile image61
    The Ropeposted 7 years ago

    WELL!  That's a statement guaranteed to get you a lot of feedback.  Can't wait to see what happens.  smile

    But just a note, there is a difference in religion versus faith.  Which are you referencing?

    1. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think my first sentence was the reference:  "Religion defies logic in many ways."

  8. Valerie F profile image61
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    Just so you know, religion is not superstition.

    1. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Of course not...entirely...only about 99.99999999 percent.

  9. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    Superstition is a credulous belief or notion, not based on reason, knowledge, or experience. The word is often used pejoratively to refer to folk beliefs deemed irrational.

    Wikipedia

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    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    Can't people just be spiritual, why do we have to keep wasting time with religion fourums - it's weird in this kind of community and everyone has there own beliefs so where does the need come from to announce it?  sad

    1. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I suppose its because many want it to die. Asking for the sky to fall in would be easier.

    2. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Defensiveness from those who belief, to justify their own belief system.

      They already have doubt, but they are trying to push that doubt out of the way, so they can believe themselves better than most.

      When the truth remains- their individual attacks on those who don't believe, are damaging themselves without even realizing it.

      A TRUE believer needs not defend their position.

      Either way, none of them can argue from an offensive position, because their so-called 'facts' are illusions and nothing more.

    3. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Because it's there.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Religion is alive and well. Just thought I'd say that......

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      lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      pee

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        poop.

      2. pylos26 profile image76
        pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry to hear that you're not.

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not well? sad

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            From what's learned, it's been the case for a long time now.

            lol lol lol

          2. pylos26 profile image76
            pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Denno66...you may be in the wrong groove.

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              Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah I saw that. I asked, not realizing I may have answered in someone else's place. My bad if I did. smile

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Hmm, I thought that I was gonna get a response from Cagsil with my last posting. I must be getting rusty..... big_smile

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, you are. lol

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    sigh. can I have that soapbox back now. You said you were only gonna use it for a couple of days.....

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sure, I'll give it back to you, I built a better one. lol lol

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, I know you did wink

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        lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        sheep poop eewew

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Mexican food last night....lol

        2. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol

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    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    whatever hmmroll

    1. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hope you get better.

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    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    gotta go pray I say lol

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Too late sad

    2. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Please...no thank you...not for me.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    It is messy....

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      To say the least. lol

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    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago

    Your religions kill and cause death.  Death to the spirit, death the Earth, death to the masses, death to the god you call God, Death, death, death, death, death and more death.

    Fear, fear death, don't fear death fear death.  Die, stone them, hang them, burn them, don't murder them just kill them.  Kill, kill, kill, kill says the good works of the Lord!!!

    Kill or be killed.  Turn the other cheek he says... kill then yourself.  Suicide, kill, murder, death. 

    A dead god, a living dead god.  A zombie who manifest in the night so that he appears as the light.  It hides quietly under your bed listening to your prayers.

    Dear God, if you can hear me, forgive me for my trespasses but when oh when Good Lord will you come to do as you said you should do?  How much longer shall I suffer with the unbelievers, the idolaters, those who worship death, Satan, the deceived. 

    Put your hand on me and let me do your works.  It is your will my Lord.  Because I am faithful, I shall overcome.  I will kill with love in my heart.  I shall die burdened and sufferable.

    My death is like yours.  Please Oh Heavenly Father, let me be crucified as your son.  Allow me to be the atonement for the unbelievers.  Because death is the only way to life through the grace of your son whom you made the sacrificial lamb so that us worthless idolaters shall be saved from the mess created by our own hands! 

    We are not good enough to be made the sacrificial lambs, we are sinners and not worthy but Christ was made perfect therefore the death of the innocent represents your true way oh Lord. 

    Forgive them Oh Lord for they do not understand...


    *barfing*

    1. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is this supposed to have some meaning? I think you were trying to be deep, but made no sense.

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Then you neither understand irony or sarcasm. Doesn't surprise me. Really.  The Bible should have all the answers for you.  Or did you ever read it?

      2. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Some believe in God, others don't. What's the argument anyhow?

    1. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      there's not one. I'm using the strike then wait.... then laugh tactics right now.

      more senseless novels coming up.

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Doesn't seem like you know how to make sense of anything at all.  You can ask your god for some help.  lol

    2. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The argument is HOW people think?

      I would of thought that would be obvious to one such as yourself.

      lol lol lol

      Cagsil ----> Shooting into the dark.....?

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Aim for the light! lol lol lol

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for the help Sandra. lol big_smile

  19. Flightkeeper profile image77
    Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago

    I love this. It's one big circus!

    1. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yep...and it's free.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    I have my own personal God? lol

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol lol

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Did it die for you too? lol lol lol

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Mine's doing fine. He's sitting here right next to me getting ready to call my hand. lol

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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    So, wait? There is a God or there isn't a God? I'm so confused. big_smile

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why am I not surprised.

      No- There is NO god to speak of.

      Glad to help. lol lol

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No, wait. You are so confused. My bad. lol

  22. kephrira profile image61
    kephriraposted 7 years ago

    Theres something quite masochistic about these arguments. Everyone knows noone is going to change their mind. It worries me that I enjoy them so much.

    1. Flightkeeper profile image77
      Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree and I'm glad I'm not the only one! smile

  23. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Just got home from working, read this and just gotta comment! Region is gettin weaker-  There is a God and the Real kind of Belief in Him  is gettin stronger,
       Yea for OUR Team !!!  Everybody got a definition of Religion. This is a totally diffrent thang than everyone's definition of A creator. The creator's name is  GOD  regardless of Denomination. Denominations need to die so that GOD  can better be seen.
        I think that the arguments that Atheists are bringing to the forefront are convincing many religious people to drop the religious worship and worship the true god,
        Thank you Atheists!!!   You are doing Gods work; scaring them outa religiosity back home to God WORSHIP   
         Many thanks to the Atheists.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    I think the point I was attempting to make is that one theory is not an absolute. As someone said earlier: when one is that convinced of their belief as absolute it then slides into Dogma.

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And that perception is incorrect.

  25. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    Cagsil - I'm not goint to take the bait. You are so orbital that it wouldn't make a lick a sense for me to hop on your short bus. sorry. really

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Really, you would be ignorant to think that MANKIND was always a conscious race.

      And, that's why you've got limited vision.

      But, thanks again for your input.

      "Those who seek guidance, know not what their mind is for."

      By CAGSIL!

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        By golly.

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What?

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            Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Um, sounds like a sermon, there, Cags.

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Before you can use your mind, you must realize you have one.

              lol

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                Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Well, when you realize that you have one, you get back to me. lol

                1. Cagsil profile image83
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  It's not like I didn't see that coming, when I said what I said.

                  lol

                  1. sooner than later profile image61
                    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    then that was a self inflicted blow.

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                    Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Sometimes you just set yourself up for it. No need to take it personal, I'm an equal opportunity kinda person. big_smile

  26. chambersgirl21 profile image62
    chambersgirl21posted 7 years ago

    Denying the existence of God wont make him disappear. smile

    1. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      haha, I like that chambersgirl.

    2. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Denying the existence of God won't make him disappear.

      You've obviously miss the use of your eyes, hands, ears, mind, nose and basically your own existence, to say something that ignorant.

      WOW!

      1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
        Stevennix2001posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        yea, but you can't see, feel, hear, or touch air, so how do you know that even exists?   plus, have you ever seen a million dollars?  let alone a billion.  if not, then how do you know that a million dollars or even a billion exist, because you see guys like trump and bill gates on tv or news articles.  for all you know, that could be a lie perpetrated by the media.  although, that's not what i feel because i do believe that a million and a billion of dollars exist as do i believe in air and god.  i was just throwing that out as an example.

        just because you can't see, feel, hear, or smell something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  do you honestly believe that out of the billions upon billions of planets upon the billion upon billions of stars, we're truly the only life form out there?  plus, scientists have already proven that other dimensions do in fact exist, so who's to say that life might not exist in other dimensions, hmmm?

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Actually, I have seen a million dollars. I've held a million dollars in my hand. I used to fill money cartridges for a Casino. big_smile

          1. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You can't hold a million dollars in your hand. sorry, I don't believe you. Maybe you passed a million dollars through your hands.

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              Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Um, hundred dollar bills in bundles of one hundred times ten bundles. Yes, it is possible, and I've done it several times.

        2. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You make no sense.

          I can see a $1.00 bill, so it is not inconceiveable to understand that someone could possess a MILLION or even a Billion of them.

          The bills exist. That makes them real. GOD isn't real, therefore he doesn't exist.

          Thought that was pretty easy to understand.

          1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
            Stevennix2001posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            well my friend, as morpheus said in the matrix, "if your perception of reality is based on what you can see, touch, feel, smell, or hear, then all reality is to you is optic nerve signals triggered by your brain."

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry to disappoint you, but I deal in factual evidence of our reality.

              Reality is all knowable.

              The Matrix was a movie, with characters. Trying to shadow(cover) up what I said is pretty ridiculous.

              I didn't use the word 'perception'. I said it was not inconceiveable to understand how 1 person could obtain that amount of money.

              1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
                Stevennix2001posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                yes, how can you prove that we don't live in such a reality though?  you would have no way to prove it or know it.  plus, think about it, mankind technology hasn't evolved too much after the 1950's.  sure, we've gotten the internet, cell phones, and more advanced upgrades on existing technology.  however, we haven't evolved in society to where we have colonies up in space as it was projected or have flying cars or virtual reality.  so for all you know a advanced computer could have a elaborate system of control to keep us from evolving too much technology wise.

                1. Cagsil profile image83
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  There is a logical answer for WHY things have developed more over that last 50 years.

                  Direct result of religious B.S. influence stopping science and medical science from advancing forward.

                  And, that's factual truth.

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                    Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm sure the fact that war is costing so danged much recently has nothing to do with that either. big_smile

                  2. Stevennix2001 profile image84
                    Stevennix2001posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    hmmm...you might have a valid  point there as it was once thought that embriotic cell research could be used to cure cancer and such.  heck, some scientists believed that cloning and genetic engineering could've been used to replace internal organs, so organ donor ship wouldn't be necessary.  therefore, i can see where you going with that one.

                    however, i don't believe science to be a contradiction of a creator.  merely as a tool to explain how he created the universe and us.  for if your truly an omnipotent being, then he  could create us however he wanted.

        3. pylos26 profile image76
          pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          How can one believe in god and support science also.

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Easy, remain conflicted all their life. lol

          2. Flightkeeper profile image77
            Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Einstein didn't seem to have a problem.

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            thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Easy, you must try it. The most ingenious men and woman who ever lived were Christians. Isaac Newton, Raymond V. Damadian most of the founding fathers.

            1. pylos26 profile image76
              pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              "and most of our founding fathers"???...Wrong...Wrong...and Wrong...You might want to read some "hard" history rather than religious bias and false history.

              1. wyanjen profile image87
                wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                shhh. we don't want to frighten, now. smile

                1. pylos26 profile image76
                  pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry...I got carried away!!!

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                thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Really, give me a lesson, back up that statement. For you start with The Declaration of Independence.

                1. chambersgirl21 profile image62
                  chambersgirl21posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  oh oh I need some popcorn. smile

                2. pylos26 profile image76
                  pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                     The man that wrote the U.S. constitution (Jefferson) tore out the greater part of the bible in an effort to make some sense out of it...He was never convinced that is was anything other than lies and fraud invented by priesthood.

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                    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Is that a fact? Nope. try again.

    3. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes it does make him disappear.  That's exactly what it does.

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        on a personal level. I think she was referring to "outside the box".

      2. chambersgirl21 profile image62
        chambersgirl21posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        God is very much alive in my life so is you comment really factual?

    4. wyanjen profile image87
      wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hmmm...
      There is no denying the existence,
      because there is no existence to deny.

      We're not walking around with our eyes squeezed shut and hands over ears, yelling LA LA LA LA, trying to ignore god.

      You can't deny something that doesn't even exist.

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh no! Not you too!!!? big_smile

        1. wyanjen profile image87
          wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Not me too?
          lol
          Let me introduce myself: I'm Jen. Atheist.

          I do believe in sheep though. I do, I do, I do...

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            Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Bless you. lol

            1. wyanjen profile image87
              wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No, bless you lol

              How's it going?

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                Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Good. Better day for you? smile

                1. wyanjen profile image87
                  wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I refinanced my truck today. Got two good leads on some part time work. So, I'm smiling again smile

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                    Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Wow! What a difference a day makes. I told God you needed a hand. lol

          2. pylos26 profile image76
            pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this
            1. wyanjen profile image87
              wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              And I am continually impressed with your hat. smile

              1. pylos26 profile image76
                pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you dear.

      2. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well said, Jen.

        How are you today?

        1. wyanjen profile image87
          wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm having a much better day today, thanks for asking. I'm all set for the Friday Night Fights.
          How have you been?

      3. chambersgirl21 profile image62
        chambersgirl21posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I did not say Ignore, I said Deny, and that is exactly what you guys do.
        Deny: to state that (something declared or believed to be true) is not true.

        1. wyanjen profile image87
          wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Deny: to state that something believed to be true is not true.
          That's my entire point.

          It is not true. So, there is no denial.

          1. sooner than later profile image61
            sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I think she was just trying to identify the fact that you couldn't read. nothing more.

            1. wyanjen profile image87
              wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              There is no denying...
              ...you can't deny...
              Which one of us can't read? smile

    5. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      and believing will make it appear???

      1. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'd like to see that!!!!

      2. chambersgirl21 profile image62
        chambersgirl21posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        He doesnt need to appear because he has never left us.smile

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If it was not for religious text- YOU wouldn't even think like you do.

          Just a thought?

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    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago

    Hey Sooner long time!

    1. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh my word this is about to get alot better.
      How you been?

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm unbanned to my surprise! and u?

        1. sooner than later profile image61
          sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          ohh, just got 16 converts while you were gone. smile
          no, I have been writing a book- so I only drop by here when I want to slum it for a while.

  28. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    Dead horse...meet whip.

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol

  29. 0
    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    That's like shooting an AK-47 at an ant isn't it, there, Cags? Hmm? Maybe a little bit?.....(imagine Stewie voice)

  30. Make  Money profile image72
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen

    Religion is dead?

    Hardly.  Just because there is a little communist atheist element in the United States that is desperately screaming their anti-christian propaganda it doesn't mean that it is true.  There are 6 million new Christians coming into the church in Africa every year.  The underground Christian church in China is growing dynamically.  China may eventually become the country with the most Christians in fact.  Christianity is growing all over the world.  Soon it will have been taken to all peoples and nations.  Do you know what will happen then? wink

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My family did mission work in China. God is working there BIG TIME!

      1. Make  Money profile image72
        Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Cool

      2. Stevennix2001 profile image84
        Stevennix2001posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        wow, very informative.  thanks for the info

        1. Make  Money profile image72
          Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Your welcome.  Yeah, lots of converts from Islam too.

          Wow this is a fast moving thread.

    2. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No...but i'll wager you're gonna tell us...propaganda seems to be your mission..."underground christian church in china"...that's what i'm talking about...the tunnel caved in and killed religion.

      Hello MakeMoney...i have read much of your philosophy and I remain your humble servant. of course there may be some disagreements in our propaganda. I understand that you are a fine liberal in good standing.

      1. Make  Money profile image72
        Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I was waiting for you to ask.  No I'm not going to tell you at all.  You will have to read the Bible to find out just like everyone else has. lol

        Well pylos26 if you remain my humble servant then get reading. lol

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol

          1. Make  Money profile image72
            Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You too Cagsil.  Get reading. lol

        2. Make  Money profile image72
          Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for bumping my post up though. big_smile

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Who would name their daughter Cagsil? lol

    1. wyanjen profile image87
      wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Cagsil's parents, obviously.
      Must be an old-country name.

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

      2. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        My name is Ray.

        Not Cagsil!

        Cagsil is a screenname.

        Hmmm...again thought that would be obvious to computer literate people. lol

        1. wyanjen profile image87
          wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But, I bet Cagsil was a name from your family tree, if you go back a few dozen generations. I'm sure of it. It sounds Latvian, maybe...

          My name is actually Guinevere, but my Scottish immigrant family had the kind sense to use the modern American version. smile

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry Jen, I don't live in the past, just research it.

            But, thanks for the ideas though.

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    Religion is dead?

    But I just bought a new cross.

    1. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's o.k. Texan...you can turn that thing upside down and drive it in the ground for a mail box post...air mail that is.

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

  33. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Great, happy it has died. It killed a lot of people.
    They will find other "reasons" TO KILL EACH OTHER THOUGH! smile

    1. wyanjen profile image87
      wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Howdy earnest smile

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You mean like Pol Pot and Joseph Stalin....Oh wait they were evolutionary atheist. Get a history lesson and try again.

    3. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yep...been dead for some time now...but you're right...freaks will continue to kill people in the name of jesus.

  34. 0
    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    "Science hasn't defined GOD - therefore it doesn't exist."
    roll

  35. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    God does not exist simply because he always has. Mankind has always been frightened of dying, other men took advantage of that to enslave them in religion. smile

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed!

      Hello Earnest?

      How are you today?

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Better than good! lol I hope you are as well as you look! smile

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Doing well.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is that truth or opinion only facts here. lol

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It's truth that you'll only take as opinion. lol

      2. Pr0metheus profile image60
        Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's truth.

        This argument gets so old so quickly.

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If you don't like the thread, then leave.

          This wasn't necessary...was it?

          Of course not. But, I'm sure it was to you, when you did it.

          1. Pr0metheus profile image60
            Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Stop poppin rounds off at your allies.  I said this thread sucks because you can't teach a religious dog logical tricks...

            Their answer will always be, "I base my beliefs off the FACT that the bible is True."



            And that's what makes science so great.  I like the quote from the movie Dogma here... War's are fought to change religion.  Ideas can be changed in an instant.  I'd much rather believe in something that I can change on a whim then on something that could be completely wrong, but refuses to admit it.

    3. Make  Money profile image72
      Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes He does. big_smile

      No they haven't. big_smile

      Are you afraid of dying earnestshub?

      No they didn't. big_smile




      I like these silly little arguments with no substance sometimes myself too. lol

  36. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    walking away.

    1. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Bye, don't let the forum door hit you on your out. lol lol

  37. 0
    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Logic. Surely, you are not saying that I don't use logic in my counterpoints with you. Not logical, hmmmph. big_smile

  38. 0
    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    "Again, if religion didn't exist. You wouldn't have your belief."

    What was the Native Americans religion again, Catholic?

  39. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    This is the sort of contradictory crud that made people realize it is all a crock.
    Hypocrisy is everywhere when you know where to look for it.

    Apologists always scream that text is "out of context" when you try to align what this tome says. Trouble is different religionists have different "context"
    Laughable!

    1. Whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery (Matthew 5:32, 19:9 & Luke 16:18).

    2. "Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery" (Matthew 5:32).

    3. whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her" (Mark 10:11 & Luke 16:18), which applies to women as well (Mark 10:12).

    4. So they are no longer two but one flesh.  What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder (Matthew 19:6 & Mark 10:9).

  40. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    If someone was half as smart as they think that they are they would know how obnoxious they are. A teenager with a descent IQ of about 130 who's momma told um that they were the smartest thing EVER. She believed it and here we are listening to it.

    1. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Please Jerami...do not imply that your personal I.Q. is anywhere near 130...much, much, too high.

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

        1. drej2522 profile image85
          drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          haha...wow!

  41. Cagsil profile image83
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Prometheus, act your age and not foolish.

    I know what your beliefs are, I've been around long enough.

    But, childish antics get nothing anywhere and waste space.

    That was my point.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Hmm, what if there were a 'source', if you will of which people were not completely in comprehension? Would you call it a name or just deny it? Nonetheless, it would still be there.

    1. wyanjen profile image87
      wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Great question...
      Can it be verified? I don't mean to go all attack-science with that question...

      But if you are saying that there is something that we are sure exists, but don't understand, then my answer is, I would not deny it at all.

      If there was proof that a god exists, I would accept the proof, not deny it.

  43. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Determination is an opinion basted upon the facts

  44. 0
    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    So, then there is a God?

    1. wyanjen profile image87
      wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No.
      No proof.

      If you look to the bible for fact, you will only find storytelling. If you can verify these stories from sources other than the bible, that is something all together different.

      If you look to the bible for spirituality, good for you! Be happy. smile

    2. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Still confused I see?

      lol

  45. chambersgirl21 profile image62
    chambersgirl21posted 7 years ago

    It’s human nature to follow the crowd, even when the crowd is clearly in error. The Bible says, “You shall not follow a crowd to do evil” (Exodus 23:2)

    Gotta run, have a good night truthurts and all the other believers.

    1. Pr0metheus profile image60
      Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      THIS! THIS!  THIS!

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Goodnight and God bless! smile

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    I am by the flurry of posts going back and forth. I thought I knew the teams but the lines get hazy sometimes.....big_smile

    1. wyanjen profile image87
      wyanjenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol It's more like golf. No teams, just people gathering in little groups and having fun.

      1. 0
        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Can we all just get to the 19th hole already? big_smile

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          lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          stop rushing the process there's a lot of people to be herd lol

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol lol

          2. 0
            Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol

      2. 0
        Scott.Lifeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        More like dodgeball, just take someone out and head for the line big_smile

  47. 0
    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    sigh.

  48. drej2522 profile image85
    drej2522posted 7 years ago

    all right, what the heck is going on now?

    1. 0
      Scott.Lifeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No idea really, how are you tonight?

    2. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A violent storm passing thru. lol lol lol

      1. drej2522 profile image85
        drej2522posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        hmmm...well, lets see if I can throw in my two cents. Maybe I can create a whirlpool in the midst of this hurricane.

  49. myownworld profile image78
    myownworldposted 7 years ago

    yes, what's the fuss about?
    ((scrolling now...))

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      what's up ??

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        lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        no clue but it's good big_smile

      2. myownworld profile image78
        myownworldposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        (((head hurts already....same old story..dinner is cooking elsewhere...gotta get out while I can!)))

  50. 0
    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    Seems to be getting worse lol

    1. 0
      lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      the storm that is lol

 
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