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I believe I am an Ignorant Person!

  1. marinealways24 profile image62
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    Yes, it is true! I truly believe I am ignorant!

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You're a believer? big_smile

      1. marinealways24 profile image62
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, I have faith that I am ignorant! Logic also.

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Amen! big_smile

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Praise Ignorance!

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              Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Glory be! Now pass the potatoes. big_smile

              1. lorlie6 profile image86
                lorlie6posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Luv ya, Denno!

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                  Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  How ya doing yerself? Haven't seen you in a bit. smile

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                Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                ignorance is bliss, but not quite as nice as potatoes.

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                  Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  With butter; that's what I'm saying....big_smile

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                    Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    sour cream and chives and bacon bits and cheese....mmmmm

                2. marinealways24 profile image62
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Ignorance is only bliss if you accept being blissful in ignorance. You do not have to accept the bliss of ignorance.

    2. starme77 profile image87
      starme77posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ignorant of what?

      1. marinealways24 profile image62
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Many things.

        1. sooner than later profile image61
          sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          yes, its true. Word definitions- historical knowledge- biblical knowledge- scientific theories- self awareness and much much more.

          there, the meat is on the table. lets not tip toe in the toolies any longer.

          I forgive you for your ignorance.

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You mentioned the ones I excell in. Except for maybe historical knowledge. Better historical knowledge than belief knowlege I think. lol

        2. starme77 profile image87
          starme77posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          who isn't?

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The arrogant.

    3. manlypoetryman profile image70
      manlypoetrymanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol lol Another Bait and Switch!? lol lol lol lol

      1. marinealways24 profile image62
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Is that what you have faith it is? Faith is assuming. I have a logical explanation of why I am ignorant.

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You're starting to sound like Cagsil big_smile

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Me and him often come to logical agreements that do not require faith.

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              Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Him and I often come to loggerheads only because I try to test his believe system to see if he truly believes in what he says lol

        2. manlypoetryman profile image70
          manlypoetrymanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Shouldn't this thread be over in the "Sandpit" with all the other Forum games?

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Nope, It is a belief.


            I believe I am ignorant. I have faith that I am also if that helps. I am not faithfully blissful!

    4. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes! you're an ignorant person with a huge Ego,which will fall down if you don't take good care of it.

      1. marinealways24 profile image62
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, my ego made me claim my ignorance! Makes perfect sense.

        1. sooner than later profile image61
          sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          you just became a little more likable, now what are you going to do with your new discoveries.

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Never be content in belief. Are you content?

            1. sooner than later profile image61
              sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm always looking for more answers. The bible indicates that the roots of the bible are deeper than we can dig. I really think you need to do some historical research outside of biblical knowledge so that you can put your theory to rest outside of the bible.

              1. marinealways24 profile image62
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                It doesn't take historical research to logically understand how faith, thoughts, and beliefs operate.

                1. sooner than later profile image61
                  sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  big_smile

                  1. marinealways24 profile image62
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    It's logically correct. Prove it wrong with your faith.

  2. kwalters profile image60
    kwaltersposted 7 years ago

    I'm ignorant if I am an ignorant perso because, well, I'm ignorant

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So, what you're saying is.....

      1. kwalters profile image60
        kwaltersposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know

    2. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How did you come to this conclusion?

      1. kwalters profile image60
        kwaltersposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know that either

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol Is your conclusion faith based or logic based?

  3. JBeadle profile image68
    JBeadleposted 7 years ago

    Ignorance is bliss perhaps but I don't think ignorant people worry about these things either so I question if any of you are ignorant at all.  Sadly, I would guess you are not.  Just watch more reality TV and it might work out yet.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's true, I am very ignorant, but I am not blissful in my ignorance.

      I can also define how I am ignorant simply with logic and no faith.

      It's true! I am ignorant!

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Here, here! Now can we drink? big_smile

      2. JBeadle profile image68
        JBeadleposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Are you one of those ego killers as well?  Those people are just a bit too happy in their ego killing.  I like my ego.  And I don't think I'm ignorant.  I'm in the wrong forum! Sorry for the interuption.  Please continue the ignorance praising.  You seem like a fairly ignorant and annoyingly happy group.  If we all could be so lucky.

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I like your glasses. big_smile

          1. marinealways24 profile image62
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I like the running sheep!

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              Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Honestly, I laugh every time I see it, still... big_smile

              1. marinealways24 profile image62
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol Me too! The sheep have good energy! That was a faith based comment.

        2. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol This was freaking excellent! Well said.

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    C.J. Wrightposted 7 years ago

    can you be reported for a personal attack against yourself?

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol Time will tell.

  5. kirstenblog profile image79
    kirstenblogposted 7 years ago

    If ignorance is bliss, then why are so many people unhappy?

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Because the unhappy ones aren't content with bliss.

  6. prettydarkhorse profile image63
    prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago

    hi..why are you ignorant, according to you? is that what you really believe so, that you are ignorant? ignorant to what? particular topic??

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am ignorant on many topics. There are some topics I could be considered retarded in. lol

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
        prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        like theories etc? or just experiential? common sense? logic, deductive, inductive, metaphysics, phenomenology, ontological, pratical, everyday living?

        hmm I dont think you are ignorant....

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Car engines, Numbers, Attention Span, Things I am uninterested in and haven't learned yet. 

          Remember, I never said I believe I am ignorant in all things.

        2. prettydarkhorse profile image63
          prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          hi then, better be specific then, so that we can respond properly to this thread

  7. mega1 profile image80
    mega1posted 7 years ago

    I'm wondering if you are really that ignorant, maybe you should be born again!  Possibly, it will hurt a little - but then you will be illuminated, or eliminated or eradicated or what/? bless me, I've forgotten what is the opposite of ignorant? And do you think it will hurt?

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Most definitely.

    2. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I mentioned all the things I am ignorant in. I am also ignorant in spelling. I have been born again, I just had a son!

  8. mega1 profile image80
    mega1posted 7 years ago

    stiff upper lip - or you may choose ignorance - after all, ignorance is BLISS!

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ignorance is bliss. This doesn't mean you have to be content with ignorant bliss.

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        mega1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If you are ignorant and therefore blissful then will you ever know when you are truly content?  just wondering.

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I am not blissful in my ignorance. I will never be content because I will always strive not to be ignorant.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Not for everyone, apparently. lol

  10. mega1 profile image80
    mega1posted 7 years ago

    good for you marinealways - you know you are ignorant, you are not content being ignorant and now, all you have to do is make some liberal friends so you can be a leetle more intelligent!  smile smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How much intelligence can really be in a group belief? Doesn't the members have to accept a liberal team belief limiting their individual belief?

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The beauty of Democracy lol

      2. mega1 profile image80
        mega1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Individuals in groups generally acknowledge that they are actually in the group, whereas my whole premise is that "liberal" and "conservative" are just deprecating terms that are laid on individuals. There really isn't an actual "Liberal Group" or "Conservative Group" - those are adjectives that describe individual philosophies, supposedly.  And since none of that has anything to do with RELIGION where are we?  Someone ate my donut!

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I didn't mention religion. I said grouped belief. Even a group philosophy can limit an individual belief.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    I don't understand ignorance. Is it genetic? big_smile

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      dude, your a sheep.....where'd you learn a word like genetics?

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hellooooo...remember Dolly? lol

  12. mega1 profile image80
    mega1posted 7 years ago

    why is everyone so dam HUNGRY today?  Now I'm gonna have to eat the last yogurt and pray my welfare check arrives.

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There's always grass outside on the front lawn. I merely offer suggestions.....

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        Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you could have fish. can we talk about fish in this thread or...is that rude here too? fun isone thing but id hate to upset someone for real

      2. mega1 profile image80
        mega1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        got a little off subject - as for marinealways and the ignorance theory - I could join a church like that - something like the AMERICAN IGNORANCE IS BLISS FUNDAMENTALISTS? or  the IGNORANCE OR ELSE movement!

  13. Valerie F profile image60
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    I admit I am ignorant of many things- the finer details of flying aircraft, how to play the oboe, reading Sanskrit, and performing cardiac bypass surgery come to mind. The more I learn, the more aware I am of how much there is I still have yet to know.

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ignorant is not simply a lack of learning, is it?

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Please say no, otherwise I'm screwed. lol

      2. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It is if you determine that you don't want to learn something.

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          Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          i just looked it up. it does mean lack of knowldge.
          hmmm

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Justine - don't confuse the two (1) learning and (2) knowledge.

            These are two separate things.

            Learning is the process for which you gain knowledge.

            Knowledge is what you learned.

            Understanding is the wisdom for which gain from your knowledge.

            Hope I helped.

            1. sooner than later profile image61
              sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Albert A. A--inine now demonstrates a know it all.

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You seem to point out things about me, that you don't like or trying to manipulate others into thinking that I'm a 'fruitcake' or an 'idiot'. Your methods are obvious to me, but maybe not for others.

                By all means, continue.

                If you feel better about yourself, then by all means continue your actions. It describes who you really are and how mean or hateful you can be.

                I don't mind, because you don't matter in the larger scheme of life. Why? Because, you are ignorant yourself and apparently think yourself above others, because you have a self assume role of righteousness. You are pathetic!

                Please do continue.

                By the way, I don't claim to know everything.

                1. marinealways24 profile image62
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  He is an excellent Christian example isn't he? lol

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol lol lol

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              Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              thanks. I do undersand the difference between learning and knowledge. (one is a verb, the other is noun..  ha ha)I had to look up the specifics of ignorance, as I wasnt sure before which part of the equation that falls into. Now, how about intelligence?  lol

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Well, I didn't want to 'assume' you knew the difference. That would have been a mistake on my part had I. That's all.

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                  Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I was teasing about the noun verb thing. you made a valid point. People do tend to mix the two, and even people who know might forget? I just barely graduated high school, and my school system was quite poor. I graduated with kids who couldnt read. My mother made a point of nearly every day announcing how I stupid I was, becuase I am not good at memorization of random facts. I strongly feel that eduacation level and intelligence are two very differnt things. It is simalar to what you were saying.  I was genuine in my thank you.  smile and now I am way off topic again, I am hoping marine wont mind...

        2. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          like logic. You refuse logic because it challenges your faith.

      3. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, it's a combination of lack of knowledge or education and understanding(wisdom), for which you truly understand what you've learned.

      4. marinealways24 profile image62
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think it could also be refusal of learning based on faith of what you already think you know.

    2. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with you completely. I look at what I know or don't know the same as you mentioned. The more I learn, the less I know.

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    bloodnlatexposted 7 years ago

    What if you know just enough about a lot of things to get yourself hurt?

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I would say, be responsible about what you know. You won't get hurt. lol

  15. mega1 profile image80
    mega1posted 7 years ago

    had a feeling ignorance had nothin to do with intelligence and so I am screwed also. oh well.

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Eh, well I guess there are worse things that I could be embroiled in....

  16. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    being ignorant about something is probably ok right up until you know everything about everything. I think marine has showed us many examples of that. But he did sleep in a Holliday Express last night, and the night before that, and the night before that...........

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, there you go......

    2. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Did Jesus teach you to act like this? You are clearly blissful. lol We all know what blissful is.

  17. Valerie F profile image60
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    There's also a difference between academic knowledge and applied, practical knowledge. I can read about airplanes and even use flight simulators. I can know what Sanskrit looks like. I have read and heard enough about cardiac bypass surgery to know what it all involves. I can understand that the oboe requires a fairly unique embouchure, fingerings, and transposition, and I could even compose music for the oboe. All that means is that I'm educated. I still don't really know.

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile
      thats funny, yours got posted before mine, I was sort of saying the same thing. but how any of this has anything to with marine being ignorant is beyond me...
      can you even be ignorant if you know enough to say your ignorant?
      wait a minute..is this a religious forum?

      1. Valerie F profile image60
        Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I believe so. There are different degrees and kinds of ignorance just as there are different degrees and kinds of knowledge.

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          Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          that makes sense.

  18. mega1 profile image80
    mega1posted 7 years ago

    I had an excellent teacher who always reminded us never to put someone down for their ignorance on a subject, to instead help educate them about it - now as for intelligence - when someone refuses to be educated about something even when they've been given all the information - that is stupidity and at the very least un-intelligent.  I happen to love stupid people because they make me look like a freakin genius - but that may be so far off the thread.  Now - where did I put my donut?

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      was it a garlic donut?
      refusing to learn, I think thats a whole 'nother thing besides intelligence or or ignorance or whatever. its plain.....stubborn and ....unreasonable? unthinkable? people actaully refuse to learn? I cant understand that. wait a minute..damn, this is still a religous thread isnt it? what have you people done to me!!!!
      your donut was yummy.  smile

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Garlic Donuts are ultra-yummy. Nuff Said big_smile

  19. manlypoetryman profile image70
    manlypoetrymanposted 7 years ago

    If you call your own self ignorant on a thread...Is that considered a "Personal Attack"... lol !?

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      Justine76posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol
      THE funiest thing I have seen today!!
      lmao!!!!!
      could you then report yourself and get yourself banned?

    2. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

  20. SoftCornHippo profile image61
    SoftCornHippoposted 7 years ago

    ignorance is as ignorance does!

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Do you then send a message to yourself that you banned yourself?

    1. manlypoetryman profile image70
      manlypoetrymanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Only if you are Ignorant...lol !

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Guilty as charged. big_smile

    2. Jane@CM profile image60
      Jane@CMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOLOLOL big_smile - thanks for the laugh, I needed it!

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's why I'm here. big_smile

  22. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I'm not ignorant. now i got that out there.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol Faith is bliss.

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        tee he he smile

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Where's the popcorn being sold?

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    I need soda now(popcorn is salty)

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    I'll settle for Junior Mints....

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I want twizzlers.

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Jujubees will work, too.....

  26. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    How about a simple math question then?

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am ignorant in math, but shoot.

  27. goldenpath profile image82
    goldenpathposted 7 years ago

    Well, ironically, the claim of ignorance is among the purest of honest expressions I've seen on HubPages or anywhere else in the world.  One must first claim that ignorance in order to be teachable.  To be teachable is an expression from one who admits to themselves there is much to learn and grow from. 

    I understand that religious faith is not held in high esteem here, however, from my point of view as a clergy claiming ignorance is a vital step toward establishing a working active faith.  It is an extension of oneself that proclaims you are not "all-knowing" and that you feel the personal need to hold to a higher power or knowledge in your life in order to grow and develop as an individual.  Don't worry, I won't say put a plug in for deity.  However, just taking the step in admitting that there is something greater than you in power and knowledge is a true vital step in personal progress whether you believe that power is spirit, a perfected man or just pure existing power itself.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with some of that. However, if you believe a creator as absolute, this is faith based when a creator can't be proven. If a creator is believed as absolute, this could prevent you from learning if a creator isn't absolute.

      1. mega1 profile image80
        mega1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        OK - now this you're saying IS about religion and here's what I'm thinking :  people often think that it is possible to disprove or prove someone else's belief - that is such a contradiction in terms - a belief by its very nature cannot be PROVED!  Someone says they believe in God = you can't say that they are wrong to do so really or base your attempt to undo their belief on any proving method you think up.  Belief is just like having a hunch - you can't really know whether there is a God - but you believe there is one because you think perhaps there are too many things in the world (the world itself) that cannot be "explained"  so, so, you know?  Like I don't BELIEVE there is really such a thing as a garlic donut, but if you BELIEVE you ate one, than why would I try to disprove your belief?  That's how simple it is.

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Belief works mainly on faith, logic, influence, emotions. Belief is made to be disproven to evolve to new belief. Content in belief is refusal to accept new belief. If you saw that someone was in a separatist belief and that they didn't recognize why their belief was formed, but you can see how and why it was formed, it would be ignorance not to make an attempt to explain. It is even more ignorance for a group to ban together to destroy an individuals idea because it challenges faith. Why do people get mad when their faith is challenged? Because it is glued together with their emotions.

          1. goldenpath profile image82
            goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I never get mad anymore.  I welcome the variety of insight we all have within.  As long as the respect goes both ways it is always a win win situation for both parties.  I am a minister but I do, on occasion, visit other faiths in order to be educated on the faith of others.  It has been a very good practice that I have put in place in my life.

        2. goldenpath profile image82
          goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I fully understand the dilemma.  At some point most all of us have been there.  I spent years trying to logically explain or prove the existence of deity but it was all in vain.  It wasn't until I actually approached the problem a different way that I began to see and understand new information.  Instead of proving it right off at first perhaps I should apply the doctrines first in my life, try and test them and critique the results.  I can't prove to you or anyone else the existence of God, however, I have proven it to myself through my own application of the doctrines into my own life.  We are all human and trying new, and old, things is part of what it's all about.  There is no shame in testing something and finding no fact at the end.  Nothing tried, nothing gained.

          Thanks for the conversation.  I appreciate it.

      2. goldenpath profile image82
        goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Very well thought out.  I give you that.  However, and this is just in my own life and teachings, the more I focused my actions and thoughts to the doctrines of God as I see him the more liberation in free agency there seems to be.  Confusing, I know.  It is when we rely on our own strength that we actually inhibit ourselves, learning and our human potential.  I have always taught that the universe is designed upon the principle of agency, or the ability to choose.  It is my position that our ultimate goal of existence is true agency and personal potential without limits.  The more I've focused my energies in that direction, knowing and holding on to that greater power, the greater the learning and understanding I have acquired for me has increased exponentially relative to my sincerity of heart.

      3. Valerie F profile image60
        Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        To say the existence of a creator can't be proven is also to state an absolute.

        1. marinealways24 profile image62
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You are right. That was an absolute comment, but not my absolute belief. You caught my mistake. I think a creator can be logical, but not without faith. Faith contradicts logic. It is logical to say I was created by my parents. It takes faith to say a divine being created my parents. I know I was created by my parents by logical thought, when I ask who created my parents and who created them, it goes on and on.

          1. goldenpath profile image82
            goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Agreed.  At one time it was quite a stretch for me to trust and believe in that which is unseen, but to me that's what faith is - the assurance of that which is not seen.  A sad child, for instance, reaches for a parent because it has faith (assurance) that he/she will be comforted.  Part of why we work for a living is faith or the assurance that we will be paid which will support our families and lifestyles.  Faith is not just to believe.  Faith is the priciple of action and also of power. 

            You've got great insight!

    2. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I will get back to you on this. It definately wasn't ignorant!

  28. mega1 profile image80
    mega1posted 7 years ago

    I'm gonna start another thread about Liberal and Conservative - it is a good subject - but not in the Religion forum - that's too confusing.  I'll put it in politics. Meet ya there!

  29. Valerie F profile image60
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    "Faith contradicts logic," is also an absolute.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is logical truth.

  30. lrohner profile image85
    lrohnerposted 7 years ago

    Marine, I haven't chimed in on a lot of the threads that you have, but I have been following them. You are not ignorant. You are sane and intelligent -- and you have a very good sense of humor, I might add.

    You enjoy starting discussions and bantering with people with opposing views. But since fanatics only see black and white with no shades of gray, pink or green allowed, they don't know what to do with what you say. And when fanatics don't know what to do, they revert to the only thing they know. Bashing and insulting. They are absotively incapable of having a lively discussion with someone with opposing views. Because, of course, anyone who has opposing views is trying to destroy their world and is destined for hell.

    Anyhoo, keep up the discussions. I'll still follow them.

    1. mega1 profile image80
      mega1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You say it so well! fanatic is one of those words - well I just don't like it, but there is no better way to describe people who have intense agendas and are scared to open up for any fresh air.

    2. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank You Ironer! I much appreciate your honest feedback. I don't know if I would agree with you that I am sane. lol Afterall could me or anyone be sane when we all have a different idea of sanity or insanity? Thank You for writing that.

  31. Valerie F profile image60
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    If it is logical truth that faith contradicts logic, prove it. I want to see the premises that lead you to that conclusion.

  32. underhiswings profile image60
    underhiswingsposted 7 years ago

    No doubt, you are ignorant.

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree! But I disagree to being blissfully ignorant. This may be where we differ.

  33. mobilephone guide profile image60
    mobilephone guideposted 7 years ago

    yes you are. we are all ignorant, only in different subjects. or do you claim to know everything?

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Believe it or not, I claim to know nothing in absolute terms. I have faith I know some things in absolute, but this doesn't make them absolute.

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    R.G. San Ramonposted 7 years ago

    Do you believe in logic? smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, but not as an absolute. I think logic is a way to find truth without using faith.

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        R.G. San Ramonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I have this nagging thought about the limit of logic, something I explained well in a comment I posted in one of David Bowman's hubs (I'm a fan, btw.). It is about faith and logic, and the "hidden" (I suppose.) connection between the two. David offered a "reply" hub, but it didn't change the thought. Maybe you have something to share. Here's the link to the hub:

        http://hubpages.com/hub/My-Favorite-Quo … And-Belief

  35. Niteriter profile image80
    Niteriterposted 7 years ago

    Oh yes! I have a deep abiding faith in it!

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    B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 7 years ago

    everyone is entitled to their own traditions and beliefs..so does this make you ignorant, absolutly not..you are just being who you are and are not following the herd like most people do

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank You! You have to a strong mind as yourself to simply recognize the mistake of following the herd and speak up to point it out. That was a compliment, no sarcasm intended. However, I still claim my ignorance.

  37. Niteriter profile image80
    Niteriterposted 7 years ago

    Marinealways, who started this thread, is doing research for a paper he is writing on the word "facetious".

    1. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What does facetious mean? I am ignorant.

  38. weblog profile image58
    weblogposted 7 years ago

    Marine isn't ignorant at all, having started this thread and getting so many responses till now!

  39. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Ime igorent an i cant spel ither!

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol

    2. marinealways24 profile image62
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hello young Earnest!

  40. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Hey Cagsil. smile

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    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    Glad you still believe lol

 
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