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How do you know God exists?

  1. Onusonus profile image86
    Onusonusposted 7 years ago

    I have undoubtedly felt the presence of God in my life. I've seen miracles, on both a personal and a social level. I've had my prayers answered in the right place and at the right time, and my life has been blessed.

    I believe that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world, and I know this because I have fasted and prayed, and have in reality received an answer.

    How do you Know he exists?

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A few years ago, there was a tsunami that wiped out a quarter million believers in god, all of whom most likely prayed to be saved from the tsunami, but quickly found their prayers were unanswered.

      Would this be considered something that demonstrates gods existence?

      I would ask how it is that you have had your prayers answered and have received an answer while a quarter million others were swept to their deaths?

      1. Jerami profile image79
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

           Have you ever heard the song "some of GODS greatest gifts are unanswered prayers" A continuing life in this physical world is not Gods greatest gift. Sometimes I think that we can worship this physical existence too much. The creation more than the Creator??
           This sounds cold hearted but in a limited physical world death is a necessity to sustain a cycle of birth. If we were able to make the choice between the two, which would you choose
        The people that are alive to never die  or  the end of new beginnings.

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not sure what you're implying here, but could it be that you're saying those quarter million people were justified to die, that they were supposed to die, that it was all part of a plan?

          1. Jerami profile image79
            Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

               I wasn't intentially implying anything but making an observation. I do think that physical death must be a part of Gods plan. As if he sits around with a voyeuristic mentality? I seariously doubt that. I am saying that for someone that believes in a hereafter; death is a nessary event to arive at the desired destination.

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              While I understand the journey is supposed to be life and the desired destination requires death to get there, many of those swept away had yet to barely begin such a journey, infants and children.

              It's interesting to note the sheer magnitude in numbers of such an event in consideration of a gods plan. So many, so quickly, for a desired destination they all most likely weren't desiring at the time.

              1. Jerami profile image79
                Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  It truly was a devastating event.  There is no answer for any tragedy. I just try to keep an attitude such similar to what I expressed earlier especially when someone close to me is involved.  I believe the tsunami was not an act of god per sa, but a sign of the times.

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  So, if god had nothing to do with causing the tsunami, why didn't he stop it from killing so many of his children? Could he not stop it? Did he want them to all die?

                  As you can see, it gets very confusing when the claims for god doing this and doing that are made redundant by such an event.

                  What do mean by "a sign of the times?"

                  1. getitrite profile image81
                    getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    This is exactly what happens when people start a discussion about an imaginary being.  How can there be a rational discussion about an imaginary being?  Delusion wins by default!

                  2. Jerami profile image79
                    Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                      No one knows all of the answers. Everyone is going to die at some time, someplace, some way.  How many people die everyday someplace in the world? It is no less of a tragedy if one person dies in an auto accident to that persons family than if 200,000 people die while gathered together on the coast lines or whether 200,000 people die in individual occurrences it is not any more or less of a tragedy. That number of surviving family members suffering their loss would be the same.
                       As I posted earlier, If people stop dieing the cycle of new beginnings would have to cease.
                       The event of one new life; living in a state of becoming, learning new things, experiencing new experiences are worth as much or more than than a dozen old farts such as myself sitting in a rocker remembering past living.
                        Why were the young also taken??  I have no clue.
                        All that I know is that in a limited space the rate of birth and death has to resemble some kind of over all balance or at some point the whole life event must come to its conclusion. I do not think that God necessarily selects those that falls into the minus column. Balance must be maintained within certain boundaries.

      2. Onusonus profile image86
        Onusonusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well thats a pretty tough question. I don't know why God would wipe out all of those people, but I think that in times of disaster it is usually the people and organizations who believe in God that respond with the most force, giving aid to the surviving families. I know that when the tsunami hit the coast a few years ago, stock shelves were emptied, and cash by the millions was dispensed to those in need of it by my church.
             But I think that God has a purpose for everything that he does, and when I die, I won't be the one that is suffering, it will be my family who will need the help.
             In times of disaster all too many people ask why God would do this to them, but I would rather pray for the strength to bear and endure all things.

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          thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          roll Oh brother, Here we go.

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            Blake Tannerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            In regards to disastrous events whether they be caused by nature mass murder or whatever those are always tough situations. and when i was a young Christian i would always wonder why God did that. But as i matured in my Christianity i learned that God does not control every event that happens on His Creation. If He did then we could never put a murderer on trial because ultimately God would have been responsible.I know that is an extreme example but God Does not always cause things to happen,sometimes it just does its all a part of a mortal existence.I would not want anything to do with a god who did things like that.as mortals we tend to blame things we have no control over on God. here is a parting thought. remember on 9/11 the towers and surrounding area only had a fraction of the people there that usually occupied  the area on any given day but because of several traffic and other situations people were late and not there when the towers were attacked. thousands of lives were spared.That was God.

            1. getitrite profile image81
              getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That was not God.  That was a thing called COINCIDENCE!

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It is a question that probably would never get answered but it is also a question deserving of an answer. If it be gods will then the installation of tsunami warning systems might not be a good idea.

          If it's just nature working entirely on it's own, we can take as many necessary precautions our technologies will support.

          We should probably check on that. I wouldn't want to begin questioning a gods unconditional love for his children when so many were needlessly wasted and their surviving families are torn asunder with grief.

          Yes, it is indeed a question deserving of an answer.



          Perhaps that's just a similar correlation between people who helped out and their religious beliefs and a correlation between the people who helped out that didn't hold religious beliefs. It would be rather presumptuous to claim believers are more compassionate than non-believers, especially in times of catastrophe.



          Do you feel that's a better alternative to creating tsunami early warning systems? Should scientists not be working towards creating and deploying such systems if we consider gods will?

        3. Bibowen profile image89
          Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The question "How could God allow this" has been invoked often since nine-eleven, the Indonesian tsunami, and the election of President Obama. We're horrified by the sudden and massive loss of life in a moment. But for a timeless Being like God, He does not view it that way. From God's perspective, He sees thousands die every day across the planet, not to mention the death of other living things. In fact, given that He is unaffected by the passage of time like we are, He simply is not phased by the "sudden and unexpected event."

          It's death that's the culprit here, not the number of people who are dying in a moment. We're all going to die at some point. We deal with death better if it's spread out over time. But, it's just as tragic from God's perspective to lose one in a moment as to lose a million.

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            (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Good answer, well said. I think the assumption here wast that god wast the culprit and not death in that he not just allowed it to happen but actually caused the event.

      3. rajan1311 profile image55
        rajan1311posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I dont get your point. So what if they died ? What if God wanted them to? (btw the stats are too big lol)
        See life this way, all challenges in your life are created by God as tests and its up to you how you deal with them.
        I have felt the presence of a divine force many many times, maybe ill publish a hub about my experience some time, but i feel that there is some force out there looking after us smile

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It seems he is only "looking after us" if we are born in a rich country! lol

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I would much rather live in a godless world in which natural disasters are part of it rather than having to live in fear knowing that a god will snuff out my life whenever he feels the urge.



          What "test" was there in killing a quarter million people?



          Was he also "looking after" the people who died in the tsunami?

          I would be interested to read your experiences with divine forces.

      4. Rev Claudia profile image60
        Rev Claudiaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        As long as people continue to believe that life ends with the death of the body, it will continue to seem cruel for people to die. I believe death is as much a part of life as birth and thus part of the one continuing cycle. Just as a seed must "die" to grow, we must also "die" to grow. It's not easy to accept in a society that values life more than anything. We don't know how to deal with death and we are afraid to ask. One of my favorite stories to explain "life" and "death" is the waterbug story. You can read it here [http://www.healingheart.net/stories/waterbug.html].

        One thing to remember is that even though the dragon fly went on, he still experienced life, but in a different way. Still the cycle continues.

      5. rhamson profile image76
        rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sometimes God says no.

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So, for example, he'll say yes to some mediocre request like winning a bingo game, but will say no to a quarter million people keeping their lives?

          Is that what you mean?

          1. rhamson profile image76
            rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What your question requires of me is to question Gods Will.  How could I know the answer?  Do I think it would be better morally to think as you do about quarter million saved. Sure.  But what does that have to do with Gods Will. Is the belief in God to be predicated on a reward?  I think not.  Do I defend Gods decisions?  I don't think it would matter. Gods will is His own.  Ours is merely to discover our own place in it.

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Check the bible, you'll find gods word there and your answers.



              No idea. I just thought it would be an important question to ask considering a quarter million people lost their lives in a single event. I think you would most certainly be asking that question if your loved ones were lost in it.

              So, if we found that it was gods will to kill hundreds of thousands of people in a single blow, we might want to reconsider installing tsunami pre-warning systems. We wouldn't want to go against gods will by warning us the next time he decides on a partial genocide, would we?



              It would appear, evidently, that those who died found their own place as fish food.

    2. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hate to tell you this, but you are arriving at an erroneous conclusion, by assuming the "presence" you felt, and a perceived answer to your prayers defaults to God or Jesus.  That's the very same thing as saying that Thor helped me start my car!  THE SAME THING, BECAUSE, I COULD TELL YOU "I KNOW THOR EXISTS!"

      1. maudine_05 profile image61
        maudine_05posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly! nobody really knows whether GOD exist,thats where faith begins...but, I personally am convinced that GOD exist, and convicted to live believing in GOD-Jesus Christ and try harder to be a good christian,rather than die not believing and later find out that there is really GOD, that for me could be so devastating.

        1. prettydarkhorse profile image62
          prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi maudine, are you serious LOL< jk? BTW, congrats on your new job, Maita

          1. maudine_05 profile image61
            maudine_05posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah! serious this time its about GOD so need to be...

            1. prettydarkhorse profile image62
              prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              basta Congrats friend!

              1. maudine_05 profile image61
                maudine_05posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks am so excited about my new job.
                I checked your Pacquiao hub so nicely written huh, give me tips how to do such well written articles.

            2. Presigo profile image61
              Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              God is not an external being to be observed, by his nature he can be found in us. Where there is love there is God. When we give of ourselves we share God with another.

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              Machiasposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                                                                                                                                           I was raised in the Pentacostal religion and they believed in miracles and the laying on of hands,speaking in tongues,ect... So being RAISED IN IT i was a believer in God. If any of you have been to some of there services you understand what i talking about. These were very emotinal church services and you FELT it and we called it Gods presence. Well now im 32 yrs old and as i look back and reflect, to say God is real based on a FEELING is the most deceptive thing ever. Im telling you that feelings and emotions will decieve you and people call it God. Trust me i was a die hard believer. But now i realize it was just EMOTIONALISM!! Ive prayed to God and he never talked to me once, it doesnt work. Its all in peoples heads trust me!!! People say i KNOW God but they have never met him face to face. You cant have a relationship with someone you cant see. Ever have a friend try to have a long distance relationship guess what IT DOESNT WORK!! It makes me sick people saying they know God and they base that on a FEELING CMON!! For example you can read a bio on George Washington and learn all about his life. But to say you KNOW HIM WOULD BE A LIE!!! See what im saying. Think about it peace!!

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                SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Being raised in church is not salvation. There is a time when one must accept or reject the gospel of Christ.

                You saw emotions in the services I am sure. It is hard not to get emotional whern the presence of God comes. Just look at how emotional girls got when Elvis showed his face. God is much greater than he ever could be.

                1. getitrite profile image81
                  getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Did you even read the comment?  WOW!!!  I was also raised in the Pentecostal Church(Asylum)  I know exactly what this poster is writing about. Oh yeah! I was just as 'saved' as you are, my friend, so don't give me that cr_p about not really being a Christian. But like this poster, I had enough courage to think.  Try thinking--if you've got any courage, you'll see that your God is a fraud.

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                    SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You know, I read every word. Just because you aren't man enough to handle being a follower of Jesus doesn't mean the pentecostal church is wrong or ignorant.

        2. getitrite profile image81
          getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh yeah...that burning in hell for eternity thing, YIKES!!!

        3. tony0724 profile image59
          tony0724posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Very well articulated , you just got a fan !

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But, what if you found yourself standing before Allah, for example, and it was Islam that was the correct religion? What would you do then?

        5. pylos26 profile image76
          pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The last post here has to be the most cheap copout i've heard of. At best its a poor loser's hedge.

      2. BigStevo3057 profile image60
        BigStevo3057posted 7 years ago in reply to this

           You are going with the theory that if you can't see Him then He does not exist.....hmmmm we can't see your brain, so by your theory it does not exist.  God IS real and you must open your heart to Him or you will spend eternity in Hell when you die, and I promise you that's not somewhere you want to be!!!

        1. getitrite profile image81
          getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          This is ridiculous.  There is no such place as hell!!!  That is insanity!!! And, my friend, you can't promise me anything, based on your pure delusional garbage.

          By the way, if you cut my skull open you will find my brain.  It is composed of gray matter.  Your god is imaginary, and your argument is baseless, illiogcal and lacks any merit.

        2. Cagsil profile image78
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey BigStevo,

          Can we can one thing straight? The topic says- How do you know God exist?

          There is a single person in the world, who can honestly say that God exists and science has already dismissed the 'god' concept from reality.

          So, I'm going to side with getitrite on this one. There is NO way that you can say 'god' exists, when YOU can't even prove it to yourself- 100%.

          And, if you're thinking that you can or that you have, please save your breath. I have science that will call you a liar and I wouldn't want to see that happen in a public forum. It wouldn't be cool.

          And, just so you know- science has defined the human body, all of it's organs and each exists in reality, regardless of whether or not you can see them. If a human being is alive and talking, then obviously their brain is functioning.

          Since science has defined the human body, including the brain, it's also TOLD us what our Consciousness is, and what our conscience is and what our subconscious is- and if that's not good enough and you need more information- YOU can not FOOL your consciousness or your conscience or even your subconscious into believing the B.S. you're pedaling here.

          It is impossible for you to convince yourself 100% that god really exists, because it's human nature to apply sense to things that are real. Yes, I know you have doubts. I don't need to be told- it's biology.

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm very sorry but it's not likely someone is going to "open (their) heart" under threats such as that. Essentially, you are saying, "Love me or fry for an eternity"

          Isn't that something an insane murderous despot would do and not something a god would do?

    3. aware profile image70
      awareposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      you will find god in any dictionary,Its in the G's

    4. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I've boubt had it with this stupid religious schit...same ole stuff day in and day out...hell...it'll get one banned.

      1. tony0724 profile image59
        tony0724posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No wonder you have no fans .

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      SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I know He exists because He revealed Himself to me. The Bible didn't reveal Him to me. Men didn't reveal Him to me.

      1. Pearldiver profile image87
        Pearldiverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You Madam most certainly must have been blessed!!! yikes
        - With a Wonderous Imagination lol
        - Or Bad Acid lol

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      free spirit 2posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Many of us have felt the presence of 'God'in our lives, but why put the label of Jesus Christ on 'HIM'?
      We all call this power by a different name. It works whatever name you give 'Him'.

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      castillogracieposted 7 years ago in reply to this
    8. dali48 profile image61
      dali48posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I know that "Gods" (cosmic principles etc.) exist, because I'm still alive after 61 years of experiences in a dangerous world! (d.48) ...

    9. Neil Sperling profile image88
      Neil Sperlingposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I see him in the mirror every morning when I shave!

      1. tantrum profile image62
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Do you both escape from the same Asylum ?
        lol

        1. Neil Sperling profile image88
          Neil Sperlingposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          LOL --- No we have not escaped - we are both still here!

    10. mobilephone guide profile image61
      mobilephone guideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      how do you know it doesn't? does it matter?

  2. TimTurner profile image79
    TimTurnerposted 7 years ago

    He/she doesn't in my world.  I believe in something far more powerful and rewarding.

    But no matter what "god" anyone believes in, as long as it provides them clarity of life, then it isn't wrong smile

    1. Stimp profile image81
      Stimpposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I believe this as well.

  3. Stimp profile image81
    Stimpposted 7 years ago

    this is a poem I came across when my Friesian horse was killed in an accident.  I consistently asked...."why him and NOT ME....he was so innocent".  This poem did provide some answers.  On Tuesday, I found my Goat who we loved so very much deceased at the very young age of 2 years.  This poem provides the answer for me WHY he was taken from us so quickly....he'd learned his lessons that he needed to learn and it was time to move on.  As difficult as it is to believe, I think this poem applies to all living things that have been lost due to what ever type of death.  You can define "GOD" in this poem as whatever or whomever you'd like.  I'm providing this simply as a demonstration of looking at why maybe some are saved while some are not (i.e. my horse and myself).

    THE GRANDEST FOAL

    I'll lend you for a little while,
    My grandest foal, God said.
    For you to love while he's alive,
    And mourn for when he's dead.
    It may be one or twenty years,
    Or days or months, you see.
    But will you, til I take him back,
    Take care of him for me?

    He'll bring his charms to gladden you
    And should his stay be brief,
    You'll have those treasured memories,
    As solace for your grief.
    I cannot promise he will stay,
    Since all from earth return.
    But there are lessons taught on earth
    I want this foal to learn.

    I've looked the wide world over
    In my search for teachers true.
    And from the throngs that crowd life's lanes,
    With trust, I have selected you.
    Now will you give him all your love?
    Nor think the labor vain,
    Nor hate me when I come
    To take him back again?

    I know you'll give him tenderness
    And love will bloom each day.
    And for the happiness you've known,
    You will forever-grateful stay.
    But should I come and call for him
    Much sooner than you'd planned.
    You'll brave the bitter grief that comes,
    And maybe understand.


    Author Unknown

    1. TimTurner profile image79
      TimTurnerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You would rather die before a horse?  Doesn't that go against your religion or god-entity?

      1. Stimp profile image81
        Stimpposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Tim, you and I are on the same page as far as this whole topic goes.  So, No, it doesn't go against my beliefs.  My beliefs are very similar to what you've described as being yours.  I, personally, regardless of my beliefs, would rather sacrifice my life to save one of my "family" members.  All of those who've I've brought into my home are my family.

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      Mikedeltaposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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      mistyhorizon2003posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is rare I comment on this forum, but I felt moved to say "well done" for posting this, and it certainly touched my heart as a fellow animal lover.

  4. Onusonus profile image86
    Onusonusposted 7 years ago

    Maybe it's just me, but I'm detecting a hint of apathy here towards the religous stuff.You guys seem to have rationalized God out of existance in your minds, I however will continue to believe in God and Christ because They have made my life better, when the things of the world have taken the back seat and people become selfless they feel right, because it is in our nature (by Godly design)to do good and feel good, and when we do wrong we instinctively feel out of sync with with our true nature.
         But I'm not here to win an argument over my beliefs, that stuff is counter productive. If you see somthing as a bad thing then it will be bad to you, no matter what anyone says, you get to make that decision.

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But, he made the lives of hundreds of thousands of people grievous by allowing a tsunami to kill their beloved ones. Why didn't Christ save them from a horrible death and instead made your life better?



      It isn't so much as seeing a quarter million people get washed away to their deaths in a single day as a good thing especially when gods sit idly by as it happens. Then, we have to hear about how good life is with those same gods.

      I'm seeing some serious contradiction here.

  5. tony0724 profile image59
    tony0724posted 7 years ago

    I have said it before and I have I will say it again , a finite mind like ours no matter how brilliant you may think you are cannot possibly articulate something greater then ourselves . Our thinking is far too limited ! I cannot fathom omnipotence

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    vvanault14posted 7 years ago

    that's a good question, how does one know when all we have is a book written (in short) by our selves, meaning humanity? i'd say look around at nature and outer space, but then science comes in and gives the textbook answers on such things. however, when hearing of things like people helping others in times of need and when disaster strikes people ban together to help and rebuild, science can't fully explain that desire to help someone, so I think that can only come from a higher calling

    1. tony0724 profile image59
      tony0724posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well stated !

      1. advisor4qb profile image80
        advisor4qbposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with Tony!

        1. tony0724 profile image59
          tony0724posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you my Dear Advisor

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Science is still in it's infancy and has a lot of growing to do. It's not so much that science can't fully explain something, it's just that science can't explain it yet. It will, some day, just as it is explaining a great many other things and continues to do each day.

      It's really not fair to default to a supernatural explanation simply because the real explanation hasn't presented itself yet. There have been beliefs over the centuries shown to be wrong where people were forced to change their minds in the light of real explanations.

    3. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That "higher calling" is nothing more than a human trait.

  7. pylos26 profile image76
    pylos26posted 7 years ago

    Boo Hoo...

  8. pylos26 profile image76
    pylos26posted 7 years ago

    I do too...i have a dozen fans.

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    Mikedeltaposted 7 years ago

    The Day the Tsunami came and a quarter of a million people were wipped off their feet and swept to death, I was so distressed and searched for ansers too, why why why? all those people died through that Tasunami!

    really even I can't answer that question, besides, I hate flying as your feet are never on the solid ground that I thought was the safest place anywhere, I never felt at ease in a plane,its a man made object and can develop a fault and fall out of sky and kill all on board!! so I could not wait for the plane to land back on ground and until then I never felt safe even for a second! I never felt safer anywhere other than on the ground!!

    But the day the Tasunami came, I lost my trust even in this ground that I took it for granted!!

    so there you go, life and death is beyond our control!

  10. Jerami profile image79
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I guess you do not like my thought process?
           
      To answer your question as to what I base my thinking on....
       I don't know why I should but why not.

       I have been widowed twice, once at the age of 21.
       Lost a five year old daughter unexpectedly a coupla years later.
       And that is just the tip of the iceburg.

       Been asking myself  ?WHY?  about a lotta thingsfor a long long time.
       It seems that .. Cause .. is sometimes the only answer that you are goina get!!   If we think that we can find the answer and we will be able and willing to do something about it, we should keep on worrying and looking for that answer. If you can't or won't do anything probuctive about it,  why worry about it.
      Sometimes we should shrug our shoulders and tell ourselves ...  "CAUSE IT IS".  And keep on living.

    1. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I see an interesting view you have there...about 'cause it is'?

      You claim to use this for only selective things. How ever, since you haven't said 'cause it is' before, I am now intrigued to ask you something else.

      And, I want you to think about applying that exact same answer to the next two questions.

      Why does the universe exist?

      Why does mankind exist?

      And, I'll leave it to you to ponder - Why I asked to do this? Once you figure it out, let me know.

      Thank you for this opportunity. Without your view 'cause it is', I couldn't have presented you with this thought.

      1. Jerami profile image79
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

           for this first question.
           Why does the universe exist. I really do not know with all certainty that it does exist as it is portrayed. I have seen little glimpses of it while lying on my back looking up at it from here on earth. I have been told how vast that it is. I have not seen it's grandeur. I have seen pictures that they say are pictures of it. I choose to take their word for it and have faith that it does exist as they say that it does
        "cause it is".
            The same way that I have seen little glimpses of the creator  I choose to believe and have faith that he is,,,
          "CAUSE IT IS"   
           FOR THE SECOND QUESTION  Why does man kind exist..   
        "Cause it does"

  11. ddoingit1 profile image60
    ddoingit1posted 7 years ago

    If you see the morning sun, if you see, the moon in the light of day, if you recognize the mirror imagery, of the absolution, of the miracles of life of the halieluas at the churches at the morning breeze, in the scientific methodology, if you study the metaphoric meaning you would really actuate the idealism of hold your breath when you get up set, for the G is the core of earth, now remember God is more than but he is the fullimentation of a collection of mind is not a state of mind, in the idealism, we are the uniuge, of the mirror image of the signia of the mind is the membrain of the earth core to the challenge of the atmosherical oxegenated perfectory, of the o to the D of and wich nis the barrier between heaven and hell of
    GOD.
    If you were to analize the forums of the triangular design of the chemical design you would a triangular mind of nuet, pos, neg, this holds among all minds of institutions and to think God does not exists, you are bipolar fool,
    for the collections of mind of the realm of infinite minds of space and time you will see the eye of infinite mind, and if you real nice you maybe able to feel the anti thunder of fathers mime of his mother mind, of and is not celebrated in thee days and time, for he does not give this priceless gift untill heaven exists.

  12. ddoingit1 profile image60
    ddoingit1posted 7 years ago

    Faith is not the final frontier of the imagery perceptional circumstances, of your last crash to the acknowledgement of the existence of heaven, for to remember we are here for a purpose beyond the existence of pain, is to remember who we are in the eye of the goodness of the spiritual essence of peace and harmony, this said if your weak and weery, slow it down, in the essence of a meditative healing cylinder of the miracle of the absolutions, to the mirage of the oceans, its still faith for God is everything you want to be, the ideology that there is war among bretherens of a different faith is the fellowship of loss self enduced streams of sleepless conciences, for the 7 streams of Budda, is the systems of peace of no loss, in faith the energy of the halieluuas, is the pragmatic induced forum of healing of faith of lifting the soul, its a process of mirrors to the acknowledgement of formulations of proffused energy reversly mezmorized infinite stimuli, of the absolutions of phrases is the silence of the rythmic sounds of the oceans without, the sorrounding waters, to the soul, is the uplifting serum of the mirrors uplifting you to the essence of and beyond the highlite of mystisisms, is the mirrors of water streamss of the river falls, of the unuige, absolutions of the abstractions of the painting on the wall, to the unveiling of the essence of the beauty of the neck of the perfum of the women of love of the essence of a smile in the morning un expectedly, keep your faith, this you will hold on, for the serum of life is the peace harmony of love of life.

  13. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I just read one of your hubs. It was as nonsensical as this post. smile

  14. donotfear profile image89
    donotfearposted 7 years ago

    How do you know He doesn't exist?

  15. ddoingit1 profile image60
    ddoingit1posted 7 years ago

    Mother Father son

    Soul, Heart, Mind

    mime, Concience, sub concience

    Atmoshere, Earth, Man

    Heaven, Existence, Life

    mother, God, Cross

    The cross stands for the ten commandments, and the ten horns of the sworded tounge is the subconcience affect of the other sons eye. to the battle of the con to the sub con.

    heaven cross, life, you have to passs the cross of life.
    The tree of life is the image of life existence of mirrors to the presence of life begins to the forum of mirrors our the imagery forums to the brilliance of faith for the tree is the forum of life among the breaze of the wind acros the forum the tree, is finning amonmg the mime of life in the mime of a tree, we will simulate the presence of life longevity of peacefull breazes, with the forum of life is more than a state of confusions among the walk of life is the life blood of our bretherens the definning forums or our we the profused confused of our necessary serums of the desire to succeed, of life is more than the forums of serums of death for the uniuge forum is the tree is here when the absence of visual essence the trees aare the mezmorizing serum of healing of germs of the anti serums of lost loves, to the forums your faith is the serum of heaven everly essence of breathingly, blowing sweeping the serums this is thyne own kingdom among the very nerves, of the mirrors to the mirage of the life of mirages to the fopal of day to day we are the finning tune of life longevity, to the fine tunning of life blood of serums of longevity of the heavens masses

    1. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ALL VIEWERS:

      Here is a prime example of the FALSEHOOD of religion!

      Notice- where it says- "mime, Conscience, Subconscious", in particular.

      What is a mime? It mimics others actions.

      Do REALIZE: It does not recognize "Consciousness!" at all. How can this be?

      They don't want you to be conscious about your life.

      Thank you so kindly for putting that post up. They don't want you to recognize your consciousness or be a conscious person, so they can tell how to live and how to behave.

      That worked out well. Thank you again.

  16. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    There is not even a spot of evidence for a god. All conjecture and myth from one book, that followed a book that followed a book that ....

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      JudithGposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There isn't a spot of evidence that HE doesn't exist! Look around you. This earth is so perfectly in order that it couldn't possibly exist without God.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        .. and so believing, you invent one! lol

        1. Carmen Borthwick profile image81
          Carmen Borthwickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I don't think there is evidence to prove HE does exist, its all speculation and words written by some incredible writers.

  17. beautyrose profile image59
    beautyroseposted 7 years ago

    I think i made a hub that answer to this question.

    1. Paraglider profile image90
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But you're not sure? (just joking)

  18. cheaptrick profile image64
    cheaptrickposted 7 years ago

    I know God exists cause my girlfriend told me so
    and she is NEVER wrong...
    she told me that too.
    I love her very much...
    Yep,she told me that too...

  19. Onusonus profile image86
    Onusonusposted 7 years ago

    There is something about the guidance of the Holy Spirit that quickens the pulse and opens ones understanding. When I hear people without eloquence, or talent for public speaking, who can only say, "I know by the power of the Holy Spirit that the gosple is true." that same spirit manifests itsself to me, and light, glory, and immortality are laid out infront of me, and I know for myself that the testimonies of those people are true.
    It doesn't matter how the persons words are presented, if they are flared up or not, or if they are good or bad speakers, what matters is that they speak the truth, by the power of God.

  20. Bibowen profile image89
    Bibowenposted 7 years ago

    The Christian (I can't speak for other faiths) has the experience of "God with us." He has approached God on the basis of faith and God has fulfilled His promise that He will make himself real to that person in an experiential way. I know that God is real in my life.

    This is not an argument for God per se. Rather it's the point that you can know God irrespective of arguments. I don't need the argument to personally validate His existence. The evidence for His existence as expressed in arguments (like the cosmological, ontological, teleological, moral, the church itself) is to show those that have not yet experienced God personally.

    Men know that there's a God. Those that protest and say He doesn't exist have rejected His witness in nature. As the Bible puts it, they "hold the truth in unrighteousness." Of course, they will protest this too, saying things like "I was born an atheist." But the Bible says "let God be true and every man a liar."

    1. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The bible is the liar!

    2. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sadly - I doubt the veracity of your claim because of your actions and words. This is called using reason over faith.

      A shame you propose to ignore that in favor of blind belief and self righteousness.

      I was born an atheist.

      Now call me a liar. wink

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        SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I call you a liar.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I know you do. And you wonder why the christian religion is the cause of so many wars.

          Jesus must be very proud of you. sad

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            SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Do you need me to go back in the forums and show the proof?

            1. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You people invited me back Sir Dent. I graciously accepted.

              But thank your for once again using semantics to remind us why the christian religion is so despised and so responsible for so much conflict.  God tells you to do this I assume? lol

              Got any good dead baby pictures for us today?

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                SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Typical atheist tactic. Get off topic to try and make everyone else look bad.

                It doesn't matter if you were invited back or not. You said you were leaving then came back. Does being invited back negate the promise you made? NO!

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I was born an atheist.

                  Now call me a liar for saying that.

                  Or shall we discuss going off topic?

                  You invited me back and - unlike you religionists - I can be flexible and adapt.I do not get my instructions form an invisible super being.

                  Sorry it upsets you to see me back. Why is that? And s[peaking of broken promises -  you promise you love me - yet are behaving this way. lol lol

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                    SirDentposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You were born depending on soemone greater than you because you were unable to care for yourself. You  knew that someone was there even though you had no idea who it was. So you are a liar for saying that.

                    Am I your enemy because I tell you the truth? You can go back through all the forum posts you want and you will never see at anytime where I said I love you.

                    Another typical atheist tactic is to point out spelling errors and typos. Should I do so now?

                    It doesn't upset me that you came back. You never left. Two alter egos that are you. You asked to be called a liar and I did it.

                    Now go and cry to management so I can get banned for a few days.

      2. Bibowen profile image89
        Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        As for calling people a "liar," I think you just called me one. I don't think you're telling the truth of the matter, but I don't necessarily think you are being deceitful. People can deceive themselves to the point that they actually believe their own lies. So, that could also be a possibility in your case. You have (or had) a knowledge of God at some point, but you have suppressed that knowledge (perhaps because of your experiences).

  21. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    And you base all this on the psychotic words written in a book by men. Horrible controlling men at that! lol

  22. aka-dj profile image79
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    @ SirDent.
    Buddy, I'm starting to get the idea we are not dealing with adults, but mere children, using adult avatars to confuse us all.
    These are "schoolyard taunts" that are SSSSOOOOO childish. Makes me shake my head with amazement.
    Gotta smile. smile smile

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Excellent passive aggressive attack dj. You are a genuine christian all right. wink

      1. Bibowen profile image89
        Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Evolution Guy also accused me of executing a "passive aggressive" attack.

        Interesting...

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Only if you do not read what people write. wink

  23. andromida profile image74
    andromidaposted 7 years ago

    For some he exists when many believe that there is nothing like God. Yet. I know that if there is someone like God he will let us explain the way we feel about him.For the time being I think maybe there is some intelligent design or some thing like that.Proving his existence has nothing to do with this world except our mind which always seeking evidence so as we can get a concrete evidence about the existence of god.I think we all should respect everyone's opinion on this matter.If god existence then I will like to say thanks to him for giving me this wonderful life and of course giving me the opportunity to discuss about him in hubpages.If he does not existence it does not make any difference neither in my life nor anyone else's life.

  24. prettydarkhorse profile image62
    prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago

    You will never know for sure, you just feel it like when you feel love at first sight love for your husband/partner etc..

    There are just some things which you cant explain, do you need always to explain how you feel,depends on you

    1. Flightkeeper profile image78
      Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Pretty!

      Does that mean you only know God exists in the throes of passion? big_smile

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image62
        prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No, I can never explain the existence of GOD epistemologically or experiential/phenomenology, but I believe that a superatural being exists....my belief may be superficial to others but like I said I dont need to justify it..

        I believe in set of tecahings of mores of values so that I may use it for my sake, for societys sake. Non believers have values too which they chose to believe...

        1. Flightkeeper profile image78
          Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well I'll admit it. I believe in a supernatural being in the throes of passion!!! lol And I thank that supernatural being for it too wink

          1. prettydarkhorse profile image62
            prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            hmmm, flight, you ok! LOL....

            it is not passion it is the heart, thats why at times we tend to be always logical, how about use the heart at times...you can never go wrong...if we always are logic we tend to become selfish..

            1. Flightkeeper profile image78
              Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks Pretty.

              Cute cap by the way.

              1. prettydarkhorse profile image62
                prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                thanks flight..

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If your feelings include supernatural beings, they most certainly need explanation when others have no such feelings.

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image62
        prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why do I need to explain to anybody the way I feel, if I pose a danger to them right, why do we always have to justify whether we are Christians or non Christians, why cant we just leave each other alone and live harmoniously without hurting each other? Please....

        1. Flightkeeper profile image78
          Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But Pretty, they really really really want to know!!

          lol

          1. prettydarkhorse profile image62
            prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            LOL< I wish they stop doing that LOL

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That would be wonderful. Unfortunately, that's not the case. If religions did leave everyone alone, they wouldn't exist and maybe then we would live harmoniously. At this time though, we have multitudes of religions that conquer and divide the world. Harmony is non-existent as wars plague the world, some are holy wars not yet settled.

          Then again, if it's found your feelings are just a bit of cheese rumbling in your tummy, then we don't have much to worry about.

          1. prettydarkhorse profile image62
            prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            How about if it isnt? Is religion the culprit or the people?

            1. getitrite profile image81
              getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              People are the culprit.  They created religion.  And, yes, I'm sure your invisible supernatural being does not exist, but stomachs do exist.  I'll go with rumbling in the tummy.

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Currently, religion is the culprit. Human beings are filled with compassion and understanding but are being held captive by the absolutes of religions. Long ago, we believed in all types of myths and superstitions, many of which have gone the way of the dodo. However, there are some myths and superstitions that still remain, in the form of the current version of gods and their supernatural realm.

  25. ddoingit1 profile image60
    ddoingit1posted 7 years ago

    My Dear friend the absence of heart is the serum of no mind for to say is to mean wat you say. In the dialoug of heart it is the motive of language of loving and caring amongst the fellowship of friends the language of life is the fellowship of all living in the message of Am I My brothers keepr to the knowledge we are still infants to the heavens above and to the historical mind of history space and time.

  26. ddoingit1 profile image60
    ddoingit1posted 7 years ago

    Father?
    Is the tolstoy of religion he is the dynamic nature of all who has created he is the maturity to the absolute justice of mirrors of the absedence of faith, he is the mirror of the whats been written on know dome of every astro-dome beyond any epilog or eulogy for he is the absolution of anti discriminations of how do I? or how did? or heaven or hell, among the terror of non belief is the value of anti-simatism, of the uelogy of life non existance prior to the Richard Pryers of today, He eminsible he is forgiving far and beyond the Revalations of the christianity of faith for the only Tolstoy is the dire need to find the orica of the dawning epilogu of the apologies amongst the defined uelogy of mirrors against the power an the glory, for ever and ever A men are chrismatic characterization of the epologue of tere own justivications of truth, fore the men are and always be responcible to the faith of all women and children among the bretheren of love and life and freedom of expressions of the loving passages all religion is sacrid and sanctified except for the Anti-religous mind of death of the notorious KKK

  27. gramon1 profile image74
    gramon1posted 7 years ago

    Believing in God is fine. But placing religions ahead of people, and even ahead of morality is the real problem.People have (and still do) burned witches, drown them, killed infidels, attack other countries because they have a different religion, fought, oppose multi-religious marriages, sold people as slaves, and so many immoral and anti-humanity actions, all in name of religion. Before soldiers go to war, they all pray to God to protect them. If they are shooting at each other, who is God going to protect.
    All those Jesus lovers are not so loving of shoeless, long hair, bearded guys walking around in rags. Would they really invite a guy like Jesus to their home? I have never seen it happen.
    How about people start getting more realistic and honest with themselves? God has simply become a tool for self interest. If you love God, then show it in actions. Does God want our people going and killing their people? Does God want us to impose our thoughts on others? Well, I could go on and on. But I think the picture is clear now.

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    Pacal Votanposted 7 years ago

    Mark Knowles in the religious forum?

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I was invited to return. wink

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        Pacal Votanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Anything's better than becoming another hubpages "advisor" I presume.

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    SamiTheFinnishBoyposted 7 years ago

    This may not be a good answer, but i believe in GOD because  GOD wanted me to believe in HIM.

  30. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    there are lots of god ideas. not all are religious ones

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    I know he does otherwise we wouldn't have all these atheists.

  32. Beth100 profile image84
    Beth100posted 7 years ago

    Question is:  how do you know He doesn't??

    1. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      COMMON SENSE!!!!

    2. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      When science defined reality, it eliminated him from being in existence, because if you have to go to a mystical reality, other than the one you live in, then it isn't real.

      Hence, mystical leap of faith.

      Religion itself is a code of ethics bound to a higher cause.

      You are told how to live. You are told how to act. All for a mystical entity, which doesn't exist in reality.

      Religion is man-made. It was found accidentally and used to force people to work against their own nature, for the hopes of ending up in a fantasy destination.

      If you were to strictly live by religious doctrines and tried to stay within the confines- you would see the hoax for what it is. Each doctrine has a goal for which is impossible to obtain.

      It's not even funny.

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        God does exist. smile

        1. Cagsil profile image78
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          In your own mind. And, I am happy for you. I'm not getting in to with you tonight. You probably wouldn't like what I have to say. So, I'm being nice and not responding, except this post.

          I'm not up for your supreme power or so-called, "Enlightenment" stuff, either. I know what you are? And, I know the facts I need to know about you. Sooner or later, when truth is known, you'll become no more.

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I found god and thanks.This truth I speak of is eternal . smile

  33. AEvans profile image71
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    Here is a link that explains why many believe that God exists and I for one do http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html this does not mean that others will agree and that is o.k. too."_

    1. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This is just another push for Intelligent Design. No. Sorry!
      This is not real evidence.  I want to see Jesus walk on water and raise himself from the dead.

      1. AEvans profile image71
        AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You are being naughty , you know that Jesus had been gone for centuries but I am certain that if you were around then you may have seen those things happen , but then you would not be here to state your thought.smile

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    Machiasposted 7 years ago

    You ask any believer if they believe in Santa AND every dam one of them will say, he's just a made up being!! Whats the difference??? It just proves how gullable people are LOL!!!

    1. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It actually proves how much they fear the government institutions.  Your example of Santa is perfect proof of the power structure, telling people exactly WHAT to think.

  35. BigStevo3057 profile image60
    BigStevo3057posted 7 years ago

    You plebians need to really study science AND history have both proven the existence of God and if you think otherwise you are a satanic fool. But that is ok. I will still pray for the salvation of your lost souls

    1. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Whatever you do, don't waste your measly effort praying to a false god. How can you live your life thinking like you do?

      I mean, come on. I've done my own research, for a great many years I might add and I FOUND him to be non-existent.

      He became non-existent, when SCIENCE defined what 'reality' was and is. DUH! Is that too difficult for you to understand. I mean, I don't think I can get any more lyman terms, as to inform you.

      Just in case, I refer you back to the post you most likely didn't read. You're unbelieveable.

      1. Bibowen profile image89
        Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The methods of science certainly tell us something about reality, but how could you possibly know that its methods yield the total knowledge of reality? If his claims are delusional, yours are equally so, if not more so. At least prima facially, it's reasonable to assume that the universe was created, but you have no grounds--none--to believe the claim that the deliverances of scientific methods yield a total picture of reality.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Nonsense. This is the only assumption that fits your pre-conceived, bible-based notion that there was a creator.

          "Reasonable"? Not in the slightest.

          "Irrational," is the word you are seeking. wink

          "Prima facially"?

          How many ways can you guys come up with to say "I do not accept any burden of proof?"

          And yet you mock scientific "beliefs". Can anyone say Irony.

          1. Bibowen profile image89
            Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It's a reasonable initial assumption that the universe had a creator as opposed to believing that it sprang from nothing. Any explanation is more plausible than the latter.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Nonsense.

              You are saying that it sprang from nothing.

              It just needed a magical super being to do it. wink

              Because you already know a magical super being did it. Because you have all the answers you need from a bronze age book which says so.

              Not exactly convincing - or reasonable. As I said, I think the word you seek is "irrational."

              1. Bibowen profile image89
                Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                If you want to claim the belief that the universe came from nothing rather than originating from something, then you go girl because there's nothing more absurd than that.

                At least with magic, we have a rabbit and we have a hat. But what you're asking people to believe is that (1) the universe just "winked" into existence, uncaused and (2) it is more rational to believe such a thing.

                Some atheists will say anything to avoid the possibility of God. This thread is evidence of it.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Um no. You are the one saying that the universe winked into existence. But a god winked it. lol

                  I prefer the two other far more reasonable scientific theories that have nothing to do with winking. I am also comfortable saying "I don't know." Which does not give you an in by the way. You say you do know when clearly you have no clue. wink

                  Seriously - I give up. Now you are just lying about what I did or did not say. I know that lying for jesus is one of the basic ethical and moral standards of your faith, but still........

                  1. tantrum profile image62
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Why it's always the same thing with 'believers' ?
                    then they get angry when someone points out their mistakes.
                    sheeessssss !!!!! mad

                    UNBELIEVABLE  ! lol

                  2. Bibowen profile image89
                    Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You give up--good. Best news I've heard all day. Now, I expect you to keep to it. You wouldn't want to lie and be like those big, fat, hypocrites that lie for Jesus.

                    But I haven't lied; I have stated the conclusion of your position. If you don’t like those results, then change positions. Either the universe came as a result of a creator or it did not. The universe began to exist. If there is no creator, it winked into existence from nothing. A creator of infinite power and intelligence is the best explanation to date.

                    But, what do you offer?: two scientific theories (unnamed) and an "I don't know." Look, could you just pick one. I mean, I'd be glad to shoot you if you'd just stand still.

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  But, isn't it claimed that a god created the universe? From what was the universe created? From nothing? Isn't THAT the equivalent of magic?

                  1. tantrum profile image62
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Ask Chris Angel

                  2. Bibowen profile image89
                    Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    It depends on what you mean by "magic." Do you mean "magic" as in an illusion, like where you're misdirecting attention? "Magic" as in hexes and curses?

                    The biblical concept is that of a miracle, not magic. In the case of creation, God created the universe ex nihilo, out of nothing.

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't recall science ever proving the supernatural exists. Can you please explain which branch of science and what experiments were undertaken? Thanks.

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The most ancient spiritual text the Holy Vedas means science which was started by the sages, the enlightened ones and looks at the aspect of the soul and god as well.

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No, science started with the employment of the scientific method, which ancient spiritual sages did not know about.

          Science isn't that interested in phenomena it can't test, like souls and gods, for example.

          1. Flightkeeper profile image78
            Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol

          2. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry but the sage were no fools, mathematics, physics, chemistry and biology are all the results or creation by sages.Someone who was not enlightened could not possibly come out with the concept of Zero or Shuniya or the void or god or enlightenment.

            Aarybahtta is credited with the concept of Zero and he was regarded as a sage.
            http://ezinearticles.com/?Aryabhatta,-T … ;id=580066


            Whatever this origin, it cannot be argued that he lived in Patliputra where he wrote his famous treatise the "Aryabhatta-siddhanta" but more famously the "Aryabhatiya", the only work to have survived. It contains mathematical and astronomical theories that have been revealed to be quite accurate in modern mathematics. For instance he wrote that if 4 is added to 100 and then multiplied by 8 then added to 62,000 then divided by 20,000 the answer will be equal to the circumference of a circle of diameter twenty thousand. This calculates to 3.1416 close to the actual value Pi (3.14159). But his greatest contribution has to be zero. His other works include algebra, arithmetic, trigonometry, quadratic equations and the sine table.

            He already knew that the earth spins on its axis, the earth moves round the sun and the moon rotates round the earth. He talks about the position of the planets in relation to its movement around the sun. He refers to the light of the planets and the moon as reflection from the sun. He goes as far as to explain the eclipse of the moon and the sun, day and night, the contours of the earth, the length of the year exactly as 365 days.
            He even computed the circumference of the earth as 24835 miles which is close to modern day calculation of 24900 miles.

            This remarkable man was a genius and continues to baffle many mathematicians of today. His works was then later adopted by the Greeks and then the Arabs.

            Now days science or western science is not interested but that is not how science started.

            1. Flightkeeper profile image78
              Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              But Mohit, it's not called science because they didn't use the "scientific method". lol

              If I hadn't read it I wouldn't have believed it. lol

              Mohit, you're very nice to try to patiently explain it.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol  scientific methods, thanks its what I have to do smile

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Congratulations, you've identified a mathematician.



                  Sorry, try again.



                  Are you talking with yourself?

                  1. mohitmisra profile image60
                    mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Do you know the meaning of enlightenment ?
                    Could you possibly come out with the concept of Zero?

                    The oldest spiritual text the Holy Vedas means science or to know.

                    I am very sure you have no read the Vedas.

                    http://go.webassistant.com/wa/upload/us … ndex.lhtml
                    Etymology
                    The word veda signifies "wisdom" or "knowledge". More generally it means "Sacred knowledge, holy learning, the scriptures of the Hindus."
                    It is derived from the root vid-, Sanskrit for "to know". This is in turn reconstructed as being derived from the Proto-Indo-European root "*weid-", meaning "see" or "know".


                    http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_12.htm

                    "The Vedas have always been lauded as containing the secrets of cosmogenesis. Raja Roy in his remarkable book shows how this is true not only from the yogic vision but according to the latest insights of modern physics. The book takes the reader on a vast panoramic journey through the universe of matter, mind and human history as well." David Frawley (Vamadeva Shastri) Director, American Institute of Vedic Studies

                    "Roy presents a new framework for the understanding of the Vedic hymns from the point of view of physics and then he draws parallels with recent theories on the nature of the universe. We celebrate the new path he has hewn through the bush of old scholarship." Professor Subhash Kak Louisiana State University

  36. Cagsil profile image78
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    lol lol lol lol lol

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Agrees Cagsil. the arrogance is hilarious! lol lol

  37. getitrite profile image81
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    Satanic Fool!

    lol lol lol lol

    1. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol lol

  38. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    No satan, just another fairy, and I think we know who the fool may be. smile

    1. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile

  39. Onusonus profile image86
    Onusonusposted 7 years ago

    Though the objective of the common militant atheist is to mock, disrupt, and destroy all things of a spiritual nature, their words are as an agent of the devil, powerless and weak. They are in a state of misery, in fact their misery is so great that they persistently continue to drag men down to Hell by taking offense from every word spoken in kindness and affection in regards to our belief in a loving and perfect God.

    I continue to believe in God as long as he speaks back, and he truly does speak to his children, if they will listen. Is what I say offensive to atheists? Why am I not surprised?!
    When people are struggling to know what to believe and what not to believe, they become distracted by men of the world, and they fall off course, they raise their defenses and are left alone, robbed of their spirituality, as they squander away their heritage with the lord.

    Rebuttals have been done to death, so here’s what I have to say; I give thanks to the Lord who keeps me and preserves me, and continues to preserve me from one moment to the next by lending me breath. Be charitable and holy, pray to God and you will be blessed. If you lack wisdom ask of God who gives to men liberally, but ask in faith nothing wavering.

    1. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You make delusion sound so eloquent!!!

    2. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Just in case, you were talking to me. I'm not of any religious affiliation or prescribe of any form of religious faith.

      I REJECT All Religions! I Reject All Foolish Notion of a God!

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Your god threatens us with eternal damnation and hellfire. Are you saying that those threats are much less offensive than mockery? How do those threats equate to a "loving and perfect God?"



      I don't think it's offensive as much as it is unbelievable. A great many people do not hear the same voices as you. It leads one to suspect that gods are either not talking to them and that people like yourself are special cases. I don't buy into the excuse that they're not listening as any god worth his salt would most definitely make sure we are heard if he is in fact speaking to us.



      Prehaps, that's true. However, the rebuttals from the believers camp are based entirely on scriptures and their "experiences". Those not in the believers camp are therefore also in the same position to quote scriptures and base their rebuttals on the lack of these "experiences"



      It's rather difficult to take that into consideration as many others have had their breath taken away from them or live under the very worst of conditions, despite their prayers.

      Please do not preach such things in the future as you do little more than insult those less fortunate than yourself. And please remember, it was science that brought much of that fortune into your life.

  40. Danny R Hand profile image60
    Danny R Handposted 7 years ago

    Question. I understand there are many who do not believe in an all powerful, all knowing God. But what makes you think that if He does'nt exist, that YOU are all knowing?

    1. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You attempt at rationale is intriguing, to say the least.

      Science has defined 'Reality'. Reality exists free of independent thoughts, desires, will or wishes. It is all knowable.

      Under this definition- GOD DOES NOT EXIST!

      Because, for you to get to "GOD" you  must LEAVE reality. Science hasn't proven his existence in reality. Therefore he doesn't exist.

      You want to get in all the unanswered questions you have about life....look inside yourself for the answer. Don't seek a mystical figure, you can never be sure even exists.

      It's debiliating to your body and detrimental to your life.

      Stay within the confines what is reality, as known. There's no reason to go outside it, unless your dreaming.

      Okay. Thank you.

      Let's keep it real people.

      1. Danny R Hand profile image60
        Danny R Handposted 7 years ago in reply to this
    2. Paraglider profile image90
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Let me try to answer the question in a reasonable manner.

      I do not believe in an all powerful, all knowing God.
      AND
      I do not believe that I am all knowing.

      You see, your supposition that not to believe in God entails claiming  for one's self the attributes of God is simply invalid. There is no logical progression from the first to the second part of your assumption.

      Does that help?

      1. Cagsil profile image78
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you Paraglider.

        How are you today?

        1. Paraglider profile image90
          Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Quite well, thank you. And you?

          1. Cagsil profile image78
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I am doing fine. Thank you for asking. big_smile

            1. Paraglider profile image90
              Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Isn't civility a wonderful thing! lol

              1. Cagsil profile image78
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Actually it's quite amazing when it happens. lol

  41. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    That would be this god. smile

       "I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD.  "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die.  I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD.  "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship.  I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear.  For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars.  They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too.  So now I will destroy them!  And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do.  They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings."   (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

    Nice little neurotic psychopath!

    1. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol lol

  42. Danny R Hand profile image60
    Danny R Handposted 7 years ago

    could you (for my benefit) give me the text book definitions of nuerotic and psychopathic?

  43. getitrite profile image81
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    psychopathic-Relating to or affected with an antisocial personality disorder that is usually characterized by aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior.

    neurotic-1.adj. affected with neurosis
             2.n. An emotionallly unstable individual

    1. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you getitrite. lol lol lol

      1. getitrite profile image81
        getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No prob!

    2. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Or just put a pic of the biblical god here! smile

  44. Danny R Hand profile image60
    Danny R Handposted 7 years ago

    Question 2. Why would a bunch of people who does'nt believe in God, hang out in a christian forum? Unless of course you have an obssessive need to ponder your opinions on to other people, which I believe is exactly what you accuse us of.

    1. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What good is a forum without different ideals?

    2. getitrite profile image81
      getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I came here to find the "proof of the existence of God" but, again, you religionist failed, miserably. Please give me proof that God exist, and keep it real, as Cagsil says.

    3. Paraglider profile image90
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      HubPages Religion & Beliefs forum is not a Christian forum. When starting a post, if you want, you can place it in the Christianity sub-forum. But some of us are interested in epistemology (theory of knowledge), and, pending the introduction of a Philosophy forum (which some have asked for) this is the nearest we have.

    4. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't have a need to ponder my beliefs, for which I have none to speak of, with regardless to religion.

      Because, I have no religious beliefs, whatsoever. As for why? Am I in the forums, is to learn how people are and exist, so I can better understand humanity.

      Since religion has one of the most controversial myths in the world, why not study people and the way they form their beliefs. How ever, in my studies, I must say, I've come to the understanding that people don't really believe in 'god' and those who are really religious, know that getting into an argument- already knows it's not going to go anywhere and wouldn't engage.

      Those who engage, are the people who choose to step up and reinforce their own beliefs, by defending against those who speak against 'god'. It's a pathetic attempt at having faith in 'god'.

      The only other people who would engage are the righteous cheating liars, who perpetuate religion as though it's fact. When, the truth is it's not factual, because in the end, it asks you to give up control of your life for a higher cause.

      Religion is nothing but a business, so the Elite religious leaders can reap the rewards from the masses, so they can live better than those who don't know any better.

      Yeah right, I want back that party system. NOT!

      Let's keep it real people.

  45. Danny R Hand profile image60
    Danny R Handposted 7 years ago

    First, it is my hope that we are having a discussion, at the most a debate, not an arguement. So let me ask, how can one NOT believe in inteligent design when there is so much order and balance in the universe?

    1. Paraglider profile image90
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Fair question, but is the premise true?

      There are pockets of localised order, e.g. the solar system, but there is infinitely more chaos, in background radiation, expanding galaxies, exploding supernovae, collapsing masses, black hole formation.

      1. Danny R Hand profile image60
        Danny R Handposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, but certain theorys in physics such as M Theory give order to the chaos you speak of. AND these theories are mathematically sound.

        1. Paraglider profile image90
          Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Order is there, amid chaos, to be discovered and described. But description doesn't imply causation. And it certainly doesn't imply design.

          Cagsil is correct in saying that the onus of proof of a creator's existence lies squarely with those who believe and want others to believe in such a being.

          This is old territory - check out Bertrand Russell's china teapot analogy.

          1. Danny R Hand profile image60
            Danny R Handposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You do realize both Isach Newton, and Albert Einstien, mankinds two greatest KNOWN scientific minds both believed in an intelligent creator.

            1. Cagsil profile image78
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Sir Issac Newton and Albert Einstein were men ahead of the time, but both human and flawed. Newton's theories continue to get pounded by the religious community, because of hack who distest science. And, Albert Einstein's work was never completely finished, because he never factored into consideration the human consciousness.

              So, that's not going to help your cause, as for proof of a creator. But, thanks for your continued conversation. I'm off to bed.

              Good night - Paraglider and Earnest, and everyone else.

              Enjoy and Keep it real.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Goodnight Cagsil, sleep peacefully! smile

              2. Paraglider profile image90
                Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Sleep well!

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Newton was a religious man, his work was not based on relgion.

              Einstein never claimed to believe in an intelligent creator. In fact, he made it well know he as not a theist.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Einstein hated the fact that people would use his name to back up their claims of being an atheist and did see the intelligence in this universe.

                "God does not play dice with the universe"" Albert Einstein

                The most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the source of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms -- this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of true religion. --Einstein said ("Einstein, Albert" in The Enlightened Mind, ed. Stephen Mitchell; New York: Harper Collins, 1991):

                [Albert] Einstein's theism, such as it was, was his faith that God does not play dice with the universe -- that there are elegant, eventually discoverable laws, not randomness, at work. Saying "I'm not an atheist," he explained:


                That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.

                Einstein was wonderfully eclectic and, if not religious, at least deeply spiritual. Lots of quotes for and against the existence of God are there and surely many will be posted here.
                Here's something different: when asked directly if he was an atheist, he always replied angrily.

                "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, I know theists falsely attempt to paint Einstein as a believer. Sorry, it doesn't fly. Most don't even know he actually said, "I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice" and was referring to Quantum Mechanics.

                  Thanks for trying, though.

      2. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Man or science has a lot to learn as yet.We are trying to find the god particle with the particle accelerator, science is still searching for answers. smile

        1. Paraglider profile image90
          Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Mohit. The God particle is a joke name of course that stuck when it escaped from the labs and received undue publicity.

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hi Paraglider the purpose of the particle accelerator is to find the building blocks of this universe, didnt know god particle was a joke, thanks smile

            1. Paraglider profile image90
              Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The name was a joke, but the search for the particle is very real.

    2. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Intelligent design? Is a mythical assumption, based on a fictious being, which isn't in existence in our objective reality, as science has defined it.

      There is a lot of chaos, but what you do not realize is that there is such a thing as ordered chaos. Simple things that randomly happen, but you wouldn't or couldn't see it ever happening.

      Science has proven anything is possible, within the confines of reality. If you think something can not happen, not only will have happened already, but hundreds of times and you're not any more the ware of it.

      So, please don't start saying the what if game? The proof is on you to provide that "GOD" does exist, because as of right now. Science says he doesn't in reality.

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Simple, there ISN'T order and balance in the universe.

  46. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Hi Cafsil, Hi Paraglider, I wish you well. smile

    1. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You off? If so, have a good day or night, can never remember. lol

    2. Paraglider profile image90
      Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Top of the morning to ye, Earnest wink

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you Paraglider, but it is 5.40 pm where I am in Melbourne, good guess though! smile

        1. Paraglider profile image90
          Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          09:40 in Doha. As we broadcasters say, the message was all right leaving me!

  47. bukan profile image60
    bukanposted 7 years ago

    Its come from my soul, that he exists whether anyone trust or not.

    1. Cagsil profile image78
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Really? You have a soul?

      Can you prove that please?

      1. Danny R Hand profile image60
        Danny R Handposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It the scientific community who is responsible to prove that he does'nt.

        1. Paraglider profile image90
          Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Once again, check the china teapot.

          1. Danny R Hand profile image60
            Danny R Handposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks I will.

        2. Cagsil profile image78
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That he doesn't have a soul?

          It's already been done. And, you know what- it's even been defined. Look in a dictionary.

          Soul is a man-made word, brought about by religious text or scripture.

          If it wasn't for religion or it's scriptures...Would the word even exist? Not likely.

          1. Jewels profile image82
            Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It is a useful term. Not sure why you have a problem with this one.  Derived from Greek language.

          2. Danny R Hand profile image60
            Danny R Handposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That's a fallacy. One is not in a position to prove a negative. It would be like me asking you to prove unicorns and leprechauns don't exist? Can you do it?

      2. Jewels profile image82
        Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I proved that awhile ago.  Soul is a word for the psyche, easily explained.  Just a title.  You have one also, not an arguable point.

  48. Paraglider profile image90
    Paragliderposted 7 years ago

    OK. Maybe it's unfair of me to cite Russell's teapot. Let's try something else:

    Freud and his contemporaries started talking about the ego, the self, the id, as if these had any real existence. They, and their public, fully convinced themselves that their fanciful creations were real. Whereas, in fact, the ego, self and id are simply  convenient labels for observable characteristics.

    It is unreasonable for a post-Freudian to say "Prove the ego does not exist". If he believes it does, let him prove it.

    It is no different with the soul, except that the concept is much older so we can't trace the human inventor of the term.

    Those of us who say that the soul is an aspect of consciousness that depends on a living brain have science on our side. Those who insist it is a separate entity carry the onus of proof.

    1. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It was never intended to be a separate entity, not from the original meaning of the term.

      1. Paraglider profile image90
        Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree. It is an aspect of consciousness or sentience. And that is why if someone says 'I think X', the responses 'I disagree' and 'I know in my soul you are wrong' are simple equivalents. You can't appeal to your soul and offer it as proof.

        1. Danny R Hand profile image60
          Danny R Handposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sure I can. Although you may not accept it. But remember, there was a time when people did'nt accept that the world was round either.

          1. Jewels profile image82
            Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I agree Paraglider, I needed to use more context with the explanation.  The term soul is equal to the psyche which is convinced of something - hence belief.  It's the mind and emotions.

            In esoteric teachings, it is the soul that is subject to transformation - like the cleansing of the mind really.

            1. Paraglider profile image90
              Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              We're in agreement, I think. I'm not denying the soul is a useful concept. More useful, in my opinion, than the Freudian constructs mentioned earlier. It's just that when people say the soul has eternal life (or similar), the onus is on them to prove it (if they want to) not on the skeptic to disprove it.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Seems three of us are in agreement at this point. My understanding is the same. smile

                1. Paraglider profile image90
                  Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Great minds think alike..
                  (Waiting for aka-dj to pop in and complete the quotation!)

                  1. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    smile smile

                  2. aka-dj profile image79
                    aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Great minds think alike.....
                    They just end up with different conclusions. lol

                    I honestly believe we DO all think alike, in the sense that we all have the same faculties, but use them differently. We all have "faith" faculties, as well as "reason" and "logic". The rationals among us may lean more heavily on logic and reason, and less on faith, whereas believers would do opposite.
                    You cannot live without faith, and I cannot live without reason and logic. Make sense? hmm

                2. Jewels profile image82
                  Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Freud was the delver of all things psyche (soul).  His red book will tell more on his esoteric experiences.  Mind you proving psychedelic from esoteric would be an impossibility also.

                  1. Paraglider profile image90
                    Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Part of Freud's legacy was to turn everyone into an amateur psychologist, with or without the will or ability to make a good job of it. Not sure that's been useful!

              2. Jewels profile image82
                Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I agree, though I doubt it's provable regardless of whether there is belief or not.  Same circular arguments apply smile

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Uh, the mind is the mind and emotions are emotions. No other entities have been discovered.

              1. Jewels profile image82
                Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You can't have emotions without reactions from the mind, hence there is no separation.  Emotions are created by a grasping of the mind.

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  What I said was no other entities have been discovered, ie. a soul.

        2. Danny R Hand profile image60
          Danny R Handposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sure I can. Although you may not accept it. But remember, at one time people did'nt accept that the world was round either.

          1. Paraglider profile image90
            Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            OK, you can offer it as proof if you like, but it doesn't stand objective scrutiny, unlike the roundness of the world.

  49. Flightkeeper profile image78
    Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago

    lol

  50. tantrum profile image62
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    @ (Q)
    what the 'Q' stands for?
    queer,questioner quip ?

    You've been talking to yourself for ages !
    You're very funny!
    enjoyed reading you !
    big_smile

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Star Trek. wink

    2. ddoingit1 profile image60
      ddoingit1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      tantrum i just clicked

      1. tantrum profile image62
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile
        Hi there !

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi! It stands for a great many things. Often, I am asked if it's the character from the Star Trek series or the Quartermaster in James Bond or the Q scriptures that everyone is searching for.

      In physics, Q is the "quality factor" of a system.



      Thanks, I appreciate that. I do think my posts are read by those they are directed, but it would appear responses to them are lacking. That could be seen as a good thing.  smile

 
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