What if during the time that the Roman Senate was creating Christianity, there was another group of people creating a resistance to this new religious movement. What if they we're called the "Anti-Christians" and that was shortened to the "Anti-Christ". What if they still existed today, and today were called something like the mob, or mafia?
If I were going to be an "anti Mikel G Roberts" I would talk about him being a real person. I would talk about him being a good man and that everyone should follow him. BUT.. I would teach a diffrent message. I would stay as close to his beliefs an is possible while achieving MY GOALS. This is how I would do it, if I were the AntiMike.
And everyone would think that I was for him; instead of being for myself. But that's just how I see it.
I'm not sure about this, obviously Satanism would be a group worshipping that which is commonly known as the Anti-Christ. Some Anti-Theists by their nature are anti-christian, or rather, they oppose the feasability of the stories by which the religion is founded, not necessarily it's absolute morality. By what you say, you could even argue that Jews were 'the Anti-Christians'. In short, yes I am sure people opposed Christianity, and most were silenced. More specifically, I don't believe that one organisation stood for this and is now known as 'the mob' or 'the mafia' as this reflects criminal purpose, and it is not a crime to say you have no belief in the lord.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Those Cavemen we're eloquent writers weren't they. I wonder what they could have written had they had more than a grade school education? And are you sure it was John that wrote that? Or was it a Roman Senator pretending to be John?
The book is real, it is made by man. Not god. It's mass reproduced, by the BUSINESS called Religion.
Religion to be in business, as a religion, it had to pick a code of ethics, which were bound to a higher cause or meaning.
Therefore, you are TOLD how to live. You are TOLD how to think. And, YOU are TOLD how to act.
The MAIN REASON for many of the problems in the world today is directly related to individual's inability to see the difference between real and fake.
Anyone, who has a belief in God is one-sided bias, blindful of any kind of logic, reasoning or understanding. It's a mystical cover each person over their life, so as to give their life more meaning than themselves could produce.
Which is absolutely ludicris, because the highest cause in the World is HUMANKIND as a whole. The FACT that this is being dismissed, at the hands of a pathetic, hateful and disgusting egotistical maniac, known as God, is beyond any comprehension.
Believe it or not, I am much more happier now than I was. I have a much lighter weight on my shoulders, because I don't think there is someone supposedly watching over me or paying attention to what I do.
God is of course real, our submission to that reality brings peace. It resonates in the service of the whole man which includes the spiritual side of man. The fact that some men have taken advantage in the name of God does not erase His existence
He does have a poetic style of writing, that I think makes him feel...more holy? But the words even though you won't agree with them, do ring true to me. I however do believe in an unlimited, supreme being (because if there is a lowest form of life, there has to be a highest form of life) that doesn't mean that what presigo believes the "highest form of life" is , is what I think that entity is...understand??
Someone? or something.... I simply believe that if there is a lowest there has to be a highest, I'm not trying to say I know what or how that "highest" being is... what is the highest life-form I don't know... I'm pretty sure it isn't humanity, and whether the highest life form turns out to be an "unlimited" being or not remains to be seen. But that is where my logic has taken me.I don't think humanity is alone in the universe, evidently you do?
I believe "on Earth" humanity is the top of the ladder. I just can't believe in the vastness of the universe that we are alone, and I guess I feel it would be arrogant to assume that we(humanity) are the best of the best in the universe. That may be the case however, we may be the first species to have developed to the level we are at. If so maybe we are the highest form of life in existence. I hope however that that isn't the case. I am comforted by the existence of something greater than me.
You want to seek the truth, put aside all religion and any understanding that you think you have- LIVE your life for 1 week, without a GOD at all. I'm sure you'll miss it, but you will not be any worse for wear at the end of the week.
I say to do this, because the purpose of religion is to give you a code of ethics to live by. This can be done easily, by simply explaining to you...what are moral absolutes in life.
Which I also found on my research- No one in the world will admit to moral absolutes, because then they can't honestly say that they have been morally right all their life, because the truth is- there isn't a single person on the planet who can say that they have been morally right.
It's neither. It's a STORY that was discovered and never proven to have been real. Images don't make real Even a reflection in the mirror is distorted by one's perspective or perceptions of oneself.
Myths are subjective, open to interpretation, but since not based on factual truth, it's nothing of value or meaning.
You put an image in your head, then try to tell yourself it is truth, but you can't be positive, then your consciousness, your conscience and your subconscious will be able to tell you.
I had someone rip apart one of my posts, to make himself look better. He said, He knows GOD is real and he knows because his Conscience isn't telling him he is wrong.
I know he is lying, because no matter how hard you try, you cannot under any circumstances fool your conscience, your subconscious or even your own sense of life, of ALL DOUBT about factual truths. YOU listen to yourself honestly and you're realize GOD doesn't exist.
The anti-Christ is any individual, organization or agenda that is directly influenced by the adversary. It is not possible for the "anti-Christ" to be incarnate of evil or that being a spawn or literal being of the devil as is popularly characterized in modern thought and Hollywood.
Yes, those who opposed the Christ back then were anti-Christ. However, the common thought today of what the anti-Christ is - is greatly skewed and is much more sinister and clever than anyone gives credit for. The adversary and those who first followed him were never and shall never be granted a physical body. Those in life who have come under the influence of such have done so either by personal weakness or outright willingness.
The Lord, the senate is not to be lumped in with Christ, it is our interpetation as we associate christianity with the Roman Catholic Church of that time, we have watched too many movies like Davinci code I think.
Again I take exception, albeit respectfully. Religion is of no use if it is in the service of man. Throughout the ages men have used religion to manipulate, not just Christianity, but all religions. Christianity just gets blamed a lot. Spirituality is a significant part of the human condition, and unfortunately some men have chose to take advantage and do ill with what God intended for good.
OH I have to disagree with you for the first time Presigo, religion IS for the people, God is all powerful, God has no needs, people have needs, people need God, people need religion. Not all people some do fine with out religion, but religion is about addressing the needs of people. However with the rest of your statement I must agree. (and I think I would like you if we ever met )
Yes I do agree with you on the need for religion. The point I was attempting to make was that individual men have at times manipulated the devotion people feel towards God, men have taken advantage of peoples need for God and religion. This has resulted in hardening of individuals hearts and turning people from God in response to percieved "holy " mens actions. B y the way I do believe that this is the exception and not the rule. But the few examples have become much fodder for those to not believe.
Again I do disagree though with respect for your views, I have found the freedom of the Lord that I did not have before I knew Him. I realize others have had a different experience, I believe this is a result of the failings of man, resulting in the hardening of individual hearts and blaming of God
I think your experience is valid, Presigo, and yet I do not believe that Jesus was literally God incarnate.
In the eyes of many this makes me a heretic, and of course I would have been burned at the stake for saying this not too, too long ago...
I personally think it is irrelevant whether Jesus was actually God incarnate, because I think the Christian story is pointing you towards the possibility of a 'regenerated' life of the kind you have experienced, and now have, and which many others could also have.
And I believe this has been for you, and can be, a totally transformative experience.
But belief in the Bible as literal truth has never been a condition of 'salvation' in any presentation of doctrine I have ever heard, so why do so many seem to think it is so important?
Just thought I'd throw some ideas into the mix...!
Come now, "pride" can be used in two different ways; pride in yourself is obviously a good thing, if you mean pride in your accomplishments, etc. But "arrogance" is not a good thing. Pride is just used in more than one way, depending on context...
May Please do not let the premise of the christian faith be reduced to selflessness. We are to love others as we love ourselves. We are not called to love ourselves less, but to love others more and akin to our affection for ourselves.
Our bodies are "animated" by our spirit. Once someone has passed that which remains is flesh, which soon rots. while the spirit remains in the body it is alive or animated, that spirit has its origin in the creator, or God.
I'm coming at this "from both sides", because I was once "born again", then wrestled myself out of it, got a stack of training in the history of religions, world religions, philosophy, and so on, spent a long time denying the validity of the born again experience, and then realized that I was missing the boat.
What do I mean? Canadian theologian Tom Harpur just published a book called the Pagan Christ. He considers himself a Christian who has a real, transformative experience of Christ.
But he does not think the Bible should be taken literally, not even the Gospels.
This works for me. I can understand that you can be transformed by Christ, as it is worded, and STILL that the story of Easter did not happen (or at least, not the Resurrection and the Incarnation).
I mean, isn't it possible that human beings might be transformed by a deep, important truth, that touches them? Why not?
The problem comes when you start going on Crusades, or blowing yourself up, for these beliefs. Which is why so many people hate religion so much. That and, of course, so many Christians are so rude and pushy, and, frankly judgmental -- who wants to hear that!
By adversary I mean he who was cast out from Father's presence for rebellion and the third of all heavenly hosts who willingly chose to follow his enticings. None of these shall ever have a body which is the pinnacle vehicle for all eternal progression. They are so passionate in their pursuit of temptation due to one simple reason - jealously. Part of our reason of being is the hope or reality of personal progress, without end. They are denied this by their own volition and choice. The only option they have in order to have purpose is to bring the rest of us down into despair as they are. There is great doctrine in the saying, "misery loves company". Those who have gained a body in life made the correct choice for personal progression before ever being born into mortality. So this is the foundation of the continued war in heaven - now on Earth.
We have not even completed the deep dive in to the subconscious mind that produces all the religious bunk yet. We are getting there though. Thanks to Jung's enormous quality and quantity of empirical evidence we do know that the subconscious has mathematical comprehension that is light years ahead of what we know consciously. Storage and dissemination of thoughts and feelings is a complex science, but the more we know, the less likely the sky fairy is involved. Funny Mike that you rebuke my comment only to agree with the next.
I have stated my beliefs previously about this, and it is fruitless putting it up again or even discussing it. Yes of course I have read on the subject as I have on religion. The human mind is of great interest to me as it is to many. I have been around hubpages forums for some time, and know that nobody is looking for facts here. It just starts another round of fundies up like putting petrol in their tanks!
No wait I am looking for facts, I truly am here to learn and gain in understanding...truly, that doesn't mean however that I will blindly accept or dismiss something just because someone has a higher education than mine. If I see something that doesn't add up to me, I will point it out.
...truly, that doesn't mean however that I will blindly accept or dismiss something just because someone has a higher education than mine. If I see something that doesn't add up to me, I will point it out.
I am sure you and they have very well written and informed hubs, I'm actually trying to find flaws in my own logic and understanding. In so doing I hope to improve my hubs. Your hubs and theirs will most certainly lead me on other paths and until I'm sure what I have written is as good as I can make it, I'm staying with my own topics and points of view.
Actually, the truth to answer the question about HOW the Universe came to be is answered by understanding cause and effect of life.
The Universe simply exists. IT is the cause to the effects known at life. We know there are other Universes, besides our own. The creation of a Universe simply happens.
Life on Earth and it's evolution has been proven by science. We know that human life was born on this planet. Where exactly did humans evolve from? Is still being searched for, as the writing of this. However, that doesn't dismiss Evolution.
The Earth evolved to a point where Human Life could be sustained, naturally. There was NO creator for Earth or Life on Earth!
By universe she meant creation...all the universes (and I agree with you about evolution, except that I believe God planned the uni...creation so that we would evolve, so even though not in the way creationists believe it, it was God that created us using evolution to do it.)
Interesting theory, but it doesn't appeal to me. Again you seem to be saying we have no proof of a creator therefore no proof exists and there is no creator. And that's flawed reasoning whether you're talking about the creator of a single planet, or human beings, or our universe or all universes and beyond.
Naw. We both agree the egg and the chicken exist (regardless of which came first). But he can't find proof of the rooster so he says it doesn't exist. Meanwhile, I'm saying maybe we just haven't found the proof yet.
Sunrise might do the trick. (A dawning; how apropos!)
I have and I have come to the conclusion that the "bible" is a book written by primitive people with a limited understanding of the world and the universe. It is at best outdated, at worse... I won't go there.
If we treated medical science like we treat religion...you see where I'm going right?
Most Christians do not understand that you can be a believer and not be religious. Seems that everyone has a diffrent definition of "religion" A person's religion is simply whatever they believe in. This could mean almost anything. Yes that falls within the range of antichrist.
Anyone reading this would become angry if they were to write an important document and everyone that read this document interpreted "your" document to mean anything that "they' wanted it to mean.
That is what religion does with the bible.. Why would there be SSOooo many interpretations of the one and only word of God?
I could not agree more with that statement. Faith need not have reason. When reason is added to faith; faith becomes stronger. Faith in a BOOK that you do not understand does not qualify as reason or logic. I think that "THE BOOK" can be compared to a treasure map.
The "MAP" is not going to produce any treasure unless you begin the search at the proper location.
I think that religion has scrambled the message so much that the treasure can not be found.
it is just a book. no more than any other book. there is no treasure. the book is a weapon. I choose books as a weapon but I have an army of wisdom at my disposal. Why rob oneself with faith? There is no need for faith. The treasure is an ability to see past the lies. I feel pity for the weak, I try help them if I can. But the weak in spirit are strong in their defense, that is the con of religion.
Call me nieve if you wish but I can see some truth in both sides of most any arguement. "THE BOOK" has been interpretated to death. People who have a predisposition as to what they are reading will always see things the way that fits within their preconcieved ideas. That is a shame.
As mentioned before what anti means is against. The simpliest view is not the what is antichrist but who is antichrist and the answer is all those who do not believe in or have faith in Christ Jesus. The anti-?? is not in favor of or believing in, but rather taking up personal or religious beliefs against another. It could be anti-hinduism, buddism, catholism, etc. The book known as the Bible mentions often of antichrist and consistently infers those not believing in Christ; not that it is a particular set of people, or a specific person.
I do not need a reply to this or any signs of ignorance from those who have not read the Bible in order to make true clarifications of what was typed here.
I honestly think that Bible bashers are the anti-christ, nothing turns people away from religion more than bible bashers, people who are actually too afraid to take on the challenge of life, too afraid of their own weakness and so have to point at the failings of others.....
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