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What is the Anti-Christ?

  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago

    What if during the time that the Roman Senate was creating Christianity, there was another group of people creating a resistance to this new religious movement. What if they we're called the "Anti-Christians" and that was shortened to the "Anti-Christ". What if they still existed today, and today were called something like the mob, or mafia?

    1. Presigo profile image62
      Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      christianity was not born in the roman senate, it did go to Rome and was adopted some 300 years later as the religion of Rome

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Christianity the concept maybe not, the church however was born there, and is there still. The doctrine was debated there and put on paper in Rome.

    2. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I cannot stop myself from responding with the hackneyed, dusty old phrase:

      "Where are you going with this...?"

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hopefully to greater understanding, and a better perspective of the world.

    3. cheaptrick profile image71
      cheaptrickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I must take exception to your use of the word Mafia as an opposite to Christianity,there just a bunch of nice guys trying to make a living like the rest of us.


      Did I do good Guido?...

    4. Dim Flaxenwick profile image60
      Dim Flaxenwickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

         1st john chptr 4 vs 3  plainly states that anyone against Christ is 'anti-christ' and is already in the world. That was written in the 1st century A.D.

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm an antichrist.
        Pleased to meet you ! big_smile

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hope you guessed my name...whoo whoooo  big_smile

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            what the Hell.....
            lol

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              Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              big_smile

        2. weblog profile image58
          weblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But why do you hide your face for that? wink

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I don't.
            a month ago I showed my face.
            Last week all of me
            Now My body, just for a joke

            and about you

            Why are you hiding behind that girl, man ? hmm big_smile

            1. weblog profile image58
              weblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I think I knew that and I wasn't asking seriously smile



              I don't hide anything with an intention, I don't reveal on my own either. My friends on HubPages know what I am smile

              1. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                good to know lol

                I'm not your friend so I didn't.
                I just guess.

                1. Bovine Currency profile image60
                  Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  mooooooooOOOOOO

                2. weblog profile image58
                  weblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  We can be friends, that's different.

                  1. tantrum profile image61
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Of course we can ! smile
                    We are now ! big_smile

    5. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If I were going to be an  "anti Mikel G Roberts"
      I would talk about him being a real person. I would talk about him being a good man and that everyone should follow him.
      BUT.. I would teach a diffrent message. I would stay as close to his beliefs an is possible while achieving MY GOALS.
        This is how I would do it, if I were the AntiMike.

        And everyone would think that I was for him; instead of being for myself.
        But that's just how I see it.

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      B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My opinion only : our US Government

  2. DogSiDaed profile image62
    DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago

    I'm not sure about this, obviously Satanism would be a group worshipping that which is commonly known as the Anti-Christ. Some Anti-Theists by their nature are anti-christian, or rather, they oppose the feasability of the stories by which the religion is founded, not necessarily it's absolute morality. By what you say, you could even argue that Jews were 'the Anti-Christians'. In short, yes I am sure people opposed Christianity, and most were silenced. More specifically, I don't believe that one organisation stood for this and is now known as 'the mob' or 'the mafia' as this reflects criminal purpose, and it is not a crime to say you have no belief in the lord.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Today in the United States that is true, but we're talking about in Rome, several thousand years ago...The jews weren't in Rome in the time period I'm referencing.

  3. kess profile image61
    kessposted 7 years ago

    Antichrist is actually Those called christian.
    For they have made an image of the christ to worship as the Father in place of the Christ.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree they glorify Jesus instead of God, and make Jesus out to be a white european man and not the arabic man he was. But isn't it true by their beliefs that Jesus and God are one in the same?

      1. kess profile image61
        kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The Christ is the spirit of truth found within.

        The image is the man combined with the mouth they have given him to speak with ( bible).

        And the doctrine of the trinity effectively consolidate the image as the father himself.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Any and all doctrines in religion have goals or endings, which cannot be achieved or are destructive to the nature of one's well being or life.

  4. Sanctus Vesania profile image60
    Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago

    1 John 2:22
    Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    1 John 4:3
    And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    2 John 1:7
    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

    1. kess profile image61
      kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This verses are used to justify the lie.

      I may think that they did not read it properly but even with clarification they will not change their ways.

      For they themselves deny that "Jesus Christ is come in the flesh".

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Those Cavemen we're eloquent writers weren't they. I wonder what they could have written had they had more than a grade school education? And are you sure it was John that wrote that? Or was it a Roman Senator pretending to be John?

  5. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    It's a MYTH!

    End of story.

    Thank you so very much. lol

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Cagsil! smile

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile

    2. kess profile image61
      kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Even myths are reflections/images of truth.

      Is it then a reflective image or real image of truth?

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The bible is a real image of truth without a doubt.
        It is the truth about the human condition. Itself a pack of manipulative ploys to enforce loyalty to a bunch of ignoramus.

        1. kess profile image61
          kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sure I do agree, but is the image reflective or real?

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The book is real, it is made by man. Not god. It's mass reproduced, by the BUSINESS called Religion.

            Religion to be in business, as a religion, it had to pick a code of ethics, which were bound to a higher cause or meaning.

            Therefore, you are TOLD how to live. You are TOLD how to think. And, YOU are TOLD how to act.

            The MAIN REASON for many of the problems in the world today is directly related to individual's inability to see the difference between real and fake.

            Anyone, who has a belief in God is one-sided bias, blindful of any kind of logic, reasoning or understanding. It's a mystical cover each person over their life, so as to give their life more meaning than themselves could produce.

            Which is absolutely ludicris, because the highest cause in the World is HUMANKIND as a whole. The FACT that this is being dismissed, at the hands of a pathetic, hateful and disgusting egotistical maniac, known as God, is beyond any comprehension.

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              WOW that's a lot of anger.

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah, a lot of anger. I finished my study work and at the end of the ROAD.....I got my answer to life, that I have been wanting for years.

                Is GOD real? Was one of them. I know now he is not. Therefore, I can now let my conscience take over as my authority and be done with religions and religious leaders.

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Are you happy?

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Believe it or not, I am much more happier now than I was. I have a much lighter weight on my shoulders, because I don't think there is someone supposedly watching over me or paying attention to what I do.

                  2. Presigo profile image62
                    Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    God is of course real, our submission to that reality brings peace. It resonates in the service of the whole man which includes the spiritual side of man. The fact that some men have taken advantage in the name of God does not erase His existence

            2. kess profile image61
              kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Are you raving and ranting?
              I understand you passion but we must seek truth.

              We cannot just dismiss the images without first knowing what it was designed to show or hide.

              So reflective or real is the image?

              Knowing this will guide you to the truth.

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You want to seek the truth, put aside all religion and any understanding that you think you have- LIVE your life for 1 week, without a GOD at all. I'm sure you'll miss it, but you will not be any worse for wear at the end of the week.

                I say to do this, because the purpose of religion is to give you a code of ethics to live by. This can be done easily, by simply explaining to you...what are moral absolutes in life.

                Which I also found on my research- No one in the world will admit to moral absolutes, because then they can't honestly say that they have been morally right all their life, because the truth is- there isn't a single person on the planet who can say that they have been morally right.

                NONE! Not one!

                1. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I agree completely, not one single person! smile

      2. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Myths are mythological stories, told to little immature kids who want to be told a bedtime story.

        There is NO truth in myths.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I believe that Myths start out in truth, and with each re-telling they are exaggerated, and lose the base truth they started in...

        2. kess profile image61
          kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sure Casgil,
          but the stories are comprehensible to the mind, therefore it is an image of truth but not truth itself.

          But to correctly critersize the myth we must know of it's nature.
          Is it then a real or reflective image?

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It's neither. It's a STORY that was discovered and never proven to have been real. Images don't make real Even a reflection in the mirror is distorted by one's perspective or perceptions of oneself.

            Myths are subjective, open to interpretation, but since not based on factual truth, it's nothing of value or meaning.

            You put an image in your head, then try to tell yourself it is truth, but you can't be positive, then your consciousness, your conscience and your subconscious will be able to tell you.

            I had someone rip apart one of my posts, to make himself look better. He said, He knows GOD is real and he knows because his Conscience isn't telling him he is wrong.

            I know he is lying, because no matter how hard you try, you cannot under any circumstances fool your conscience, your subconscious or even your own sense of life, of ALL DOUBT about factual truths. YOU listen to yourself honestly and you're realize GOD doesn't exist.

            1. kess profile image61
              kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I see you are agree and disagree with me one and the same time.
              I therefore conclude you either did not understand the question or you do not understand truth.

              If you have truth the answer would them obvious. 
              If you understand the guestion,then seeking the answer should guide you to truth.

              For all of existance including our words will eventually point to truth with out fail.

              1. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I disagree with you that Myths are anything but stories.

                I agreed with your other post, only because, my interpretation from your statement on who was free and who was enslaved?

                I saw it differently, but found that I could agree with you.

                1. kess profile image61
                  kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  But I surely wish you can understand that all stories, whether they be myths or facts are product of the Human mind and are all images of truth.

                  And can be manipulated in such a way as to distort a certain truth.

                  Recognising a distortion of truth is one thing but unless one actually knows the truth, he is none the better.

                  Every story may be a mixture of reflective or real ,shadows or full color of images of truth.

                  Otherwise they would be senseless babble.

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't understand what your saying...???

  6. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Self protection built in! Convenient! lol

  7. goldenpath profile image82
    goldenpathposted 7 years ago

    The anti-Christ is any individual, organization or agenda that is directly influenced by the adversary.  It is not possible for the "anti-Christ" to be incarnate of evil or that being a spawn or literal being of the devil as is popularly characterized in modern thought and Hollywood. 

    Yes, those who opposed the Christ back then were anti-Christ.  However, the common thought today of what the anti-Christ is - is greatly skewed and is much more sinister and clever than anyone gives credit for.  The adversary and those who first followed him were never and shall never be granted a physical body.  Those in life who have come under the influence of such have done so either by personal weakness or outright willingness.

    1. Presigo profile image62
      Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree on your definition of the anti-christ, there have been many who oppose the Lord,  it is an urging of the heart

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oppose the "Lord" or the Roman Senate?

        1. Presigo profile image62
          Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The Lord, the senate is not to be lumped in with Christ, it is our interpetation as we associate christianity with the Roman Catholic Church of that time, we have watched too many movies like Davinci code I think.

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
            Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I don't understand what you mean by "it is our interpetation as we associate christianity with the Roman Catholic Church of that time, we have watched too many movies like Davinci code I think"

      2. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Religion and religious leaders USURP power, wealth and control of people who are not smart enough to guide themselves. It indoctrinates thousands for absolute no other cause, but that of manipulation.

        Please.

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I think fear of the unknown is another reason some people follow religion.They seldom seem to really believe their own stuff in my view.
          Hello XTASIS. smile

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
            Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            their own stuff?

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, their own stuff. Once you get a bunch of religionists together, the more they talk, the more they disseminate in to their own version of what their tome has to say about it. smile

          2. XTASIS profile image60
            XTASISposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            the Antichrist are the ones that in name of Christ  preach separatism and hate for the non believers.

        2. Presigo profile image62
          Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Again I take exception, albeit respectfully. Religion is of no use if it is in the service of man. Throughout the ages men have used religion to manipulate, not just Christianity, but all religions. Christianity just gets blamed a lot. Spirituality is a significant part of the human condition, and unfortunately some men have chose to take advantage and do ill with what God intended for good.

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
            Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            OH I have to disagree with you for the first time Presigo, religion IS for the people, God is all powerful, God has no needs, people have needs, people need God, people need religion. Not all people some do fine with out religion, but religion is about addressing the needs of people. However with the rest of your statement I must agree. (and I think I would like you if we ever met )

            1. Presigo profile image62
              Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes I do agree with you on the need for religion. The point I was attempting to make was that individual men have at times manipulated the devotion people feel towards God, men have taken advantage of peoples need for God and religion. This has resulted in hardening of individuals hearts and turning people from God in response to percieved "holy " mens actions. B y the way I do believe that this is the exception and not the rule. But the few examples have become much fodder for those to not believe.

              1. kess profile image61
                kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                If I may,
                Those who have found life to be their religion are free.

                Those who have made religion their life are enslaved.

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  it's pretty but I don't think I understand it.

                  1. Cagsil profile image60
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Those who have found life to be their religion are free.

                    Those who have made religion their life are enslaved.

                    You don't understand these two comments, yet you're arguing about religion?

                    WOW!

                2. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Believe it or not....well said.

                  1. Presigo profile image62
                    Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Again I do disagree though with respect for your views, I have found the freedom of the Lord that I did not have before I knew Him. I realize others have had a different experience, I believe this is a result of the failings of man, resulting in the hardening of individual hearts and blaming of God

          2. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You take exception? Excuse me.

            "Spirituality is a significant part of the human condition."

            You said the above- and you know what- you're correct. BUT, not in the manner in which you think.

            Spirituality is about loving oneself, either through thought or actions ones has or does.

            Spirituality isn't to be place in anything OTHER than Yourself or Your Fellow Human Being!

            It isn't healthy!

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I think I understand you Cag, your deep

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Adversary? do you mean the Devil, or the man that started the resistance organization?

      1. goldenpath profile image82
        goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        By adversary I mean he who was cast out from Father's presence for rebellion and the third of all heavenly hosts who willingly chose to follow his enticings.  None of these shall ever have a body which is the pinnacle vehicle for all eternal progression.  They are so passionate in their pursuit of temptation due to one simple reason - jealously.  Part of our reason of being is the hope or reality of personal progress, without end.  They are denied this by their own volition and choice.  The only option they have in order to have purpose is to bring the rest of us down into despair as they are.  There is great doctrine in the saying, "misery loves company".  Those who have gained a body in life made the correct choice for personal progression before ever being born into mortality.  So this is the foundation of the continued war in heaven - now on Earth.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this
  8. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    If you are a religionist, the anti-christ is anyone you disagree with! lol

    1. XTASIS profile image60
      XTASISposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol
      that's a fact !
      Hey earnest !! smile

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image73
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Anti Christ will be very religious smile and will appear to be the real deal...but y'all know religion and christianity are not the same thing, if ya dont , slaps on the hand for not listenin  lol

  9. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago

    Cagsil and Presigo, you two are opposite sides of a coin, both smart and convinced. You both have valid points, even if they are sometimes opposing points.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But?

      1. Presigo profile image62
        Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you for the compliment, and I would agree with you, I believe we have respectfully expressed our opinions

  10. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    .

  11. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Either way, this topic is gone. Anti-christ, it's a mythology. Let's leave it at that. lol lol lol

  12. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Why would any evidence be found? Where is the evidence for fairies in the bottom of the garden, or any other mythical entities? lol

    1. Sara Tonyn profile image61
      Sara Tonynposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You're assuming God is a myth because you haven't seen evidence to the contrary.

      But once again, if you want to be perfectly fair and logical, you must acknowledge there are things you do not know and that evidence of God may exist though it hasn't been found yet.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes of course, but I believe the tooth fairy to be more likely! smile

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ok I think I understand what your saying...

          Your right and if we doubt that we're wrong.

        2. Sara Tonyn profile image61
          Sara Tonynposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Then again, there's the possibility that the Tooth Fairy is real -- and is God!

          big_smile

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
            Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            LOL too true!!

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My only reply to what your saying is this:
      If there is a lowest form of life, then there has to be a highest form of life.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        We have not even completed the deep dive in to the subconscious mind that produces all the religious bunk yet.
        We are getting there though. Thanks to Jung's enormous quality and quantity of empirical evidence we do know that the subconscious has mathematical comprehension that is light years ahead of what we know consciously. Storage and dissemination of thoughts and feelings is a complex science, but the more we know, the less likely the sky fairy is involved. smile
        Funny Mike that you rebuke my comment only to agree with the next. smile

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Can you state that in simple terms that the uneducated stupid people can understand? (people like me, please)

        2. Sara Tonyn profile image61
          Sara Tonynposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But if the "sky fairy" does exist you're on its sh*t list. lol

          Just out of curiosity, how do you think the universe came into being? Obviously you don't believe a god created it. So what's your guess? The Big Bang theory?

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I have stated my beliefs previously about this, and it is fruitless putting it up again or even discussing it. Yes of course I have read on the subject as I have on religion. The human mind is of great interest to me as it is to many.
            I have been around hubpages forums for some time, and know that nobody is looking for facts here. smile It just starts another round of fundies up like putting petrol in their tanks! lol

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No wait I am looking for facts, I truly am here to learn and gain in understanding...truly, that doesn't mean however that I will blindly accept or dismiss something just because someone has a higher education than mine. If I see something that doesn't add up to me, I will point it out.

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Heard it all before. smile

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  ...truly, that doesn't mean however that I will blindly accept or dismiss something just because someone has a higher education than mine. If I see something that doesn't add up to me, I will point it out.

                  1. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Then perhaps one of Mark Knowle's hubs, or paraglider, or even one of mine? smile

          2. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, the truth to answer the question about HOW the Universe came to be is answered by understanding cause and effect of life.

            The Universe simply exists. IT is the cause to the effects known at life. We know there are other Universes, besides our own. The creation of a Universe simply happens.

            Life on Earth and it's evolution has been proven by science. We know that human life was born on this planet. Where exactly did humans evolve from? Is still being searched for, as the writing of this. However, that doesn't dismiss Evolution.

            The Earth evolved to a point where Human Life could be sustained, naturally. There was NO creator for Earth or Life on Earth!

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              By universe she meant creation...all the universes (and I agree with you about evolution, except that I believe God planned the uni...creation so that we would evolve, so even though not in the way creationists believe it, it was God that created us using evolution to do it.)

              1. mohitmisra profile image59
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Evolution shows there is intelligence at work, something far more intelligent than the human.

            2. Sara Tonyn profile image61
              Sara Tonynposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Interesting theory, but it doesn't appeal to me. Again you seem to be saying we have no proof of a creator therefore no proof exists and there is no creator. And that's flawed reasoning whether you're talking about the creator of a single planet, or human beings, or our universe or all universes and beyond.

              1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
                Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I think you two are debating the chicken or the egg... and where exactly does the rooster fit in?

                1. Sara Tonyn profile image61
                  Sara Tonynposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Naw. We both agree the egg and the chicken exist (regardless of which came first). But he can't find proof of the rooster so he says it doesn't exist. Meanwhile, I'm saying maybe we just haven't found the proof yet.

                  Sunrise might do the trick. wink  (A dawning; how apropos!)

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I love your sense of humor... wink

        3. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          How so?

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Nice to see you read the posts Mike. smile Up above, take a look, if I'm mistaken or misunderstood then sincere apologies. smile

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm not sure which post your trying to get me to see...

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    earnestshub wrote:

                        Sara Tonyn wrote:

                            earnestshub wrote:

                            Why would any evidence be found? Where is the evidence for fairies in the bottom of the garden, or any other mythical entities? lol

                        You're assuming God is a myth because you haven't seen evidence to the contrary.

                        But once again, if you want to be perfectly fair and logical, you must acknowledge there are things you do not know and that evidence of God may exist though it hasn't been found yet.

                    Yes of course, but I believe the tooth fairy to be more likely! smile

                Ok I think I understand what your saying...

                Your right and if we doubt that we're wrong.
                Then the one under it. smile

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm completely lost Earnest, I apologize. I can't find the one under it, it may be that your screen and mine are different in the order we get updates..?

                  1. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Could be, it is of little consequence. smile

  13. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    All I know is we dont use all of our brains and some use even less than I do  smile an some more ...but no brain is gonna last forever for anyone wink

    1. Sara Tonyn profile image61
      Sara Tonynposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's a very disturbing thought since science is on the brink of discovering how to cheat death.

  14. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    The Bible descibes the nature and characteristics of the Anti Christ ,just read it ,study it ,google smile

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I have and I have come to the conclusion that the "bible" is a book written by primitive people with a limited understanding of the world and the universe. It is at best outdated, at worse... I won't go there.

      If we treated medical science like we treat religion...you see where I'm going right?

  15. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Simply happens???

    Um , most scientists would even agree the Universe is very complex..smile

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile

    2. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Science uncovers or discovers these complexities.

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You two are getting off topic wink

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol well seemed ok at the time , anyway gnite smile

  16. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    Religion is the Anti-Christ.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Most Christians do not understand that you can be a believer and not be religious.
         Seems that everyone has a diffrent definition of "religion"
         A person's religion is simply whatever they believe in.
      This could mean almost anything. Yes that falls within the range of antichrist.

         Anyone reading this would become angry if they were to write an important document and everyone that read this document interpreted "your" document to mean anything that "they' wanted it to mean. 

         That is what religion does with the bible..
         Why would there be SSOooo many interpretations of the one and only word of God?

  17. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    The bible is a book written by men.  Religion is the faith in that book.  Faith is trust without reason.  Reason is a god given tool.  That is my belief.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I could not agree more with that statement. Faith need not have reason. When reason is added to faith; faith becomes stronger. Faith in a BOOK that you do not understand does not qualify as reason or logic.
         I think that "THE BOOK" can be compared to a treasure map.

         The "MAP" is not going to produce any treasure unless you begin the search at the proper location.

        I think that religion has scrambled the message so much that the treasure can not be found.

  18. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    The bible is a book written by men.  Religion is the faith in that book.  Faith is trust without reason.

    1. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree.  I just added the other bit for contextual value. tonguetongue

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I know. But as I don't believe in God I didn't post them.

        1. Bovine Currency profile image60
          Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I guess I am an agnostic at heart, I don't know.... I don't care really.  The word god is just so meaningless to me...

  19. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    it is just a book. no more than any other book.  there is no treasure.  the book is a weapon.  I choose books as a weapon but I have an army of wisdom at my disposal.  Why rob oneself with faith?  There is no need for faith.  The treasure is an ability to see past the lies.  I feel pity for the weak, I try help them if I can.  But the weak in spirit are strong in their defense, that is the con of religion.

  20. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Call me nieve if you wish but I can see some truth in both sides of most any arguement. "THE BOOK" has been interpretated to death. People who have a predisposition as to what they are reading will always see things the way that fits within their preconcieved ideas. That is a shame.

  21. alexandriaruthk profile image49
    alexandriaruthkposted 7 years ago

    anti christ is those against christ

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Here's one
      Nice to meet you ! big_smile

      1. alexandriaruthk profile image49
        alexandriaruthkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        hi, nice to meet you too

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          beautiful daughter ! smile

          1. alexandriaruthk profile image49
            alexandriaruthkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            looks like the dad, you have one too?

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              yes. but mine is a grown up

              1. alexandriaruthk profile image49
                alexandriaruthkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                ok,

    2. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

      Its just so silly.

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        In some way it is.

        but when people get too fanatical about it, it's kind of creepy

        Not that I care ! lol

        1. Bovine Currency profile image60
          Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I used to say I believed in god but then I realised I was wrong.  What most people call god is something totally different.  I dig that Christ was a church hater tongue

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Jesus was, what we would call today 'revolutionary.'
            I would go as far as calling hom something more Extreme, but maybe I'll get banned. big_smile

            1. Bovine Currency profile image60
              Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Or get a strange knock at the door?

              1. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol
                something like 'the man in black'?  lol

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                  Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  men in collar big_smile

                2. Bovine Currency profile image60
                  Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  See I Am the Central Igloo Associate Canoodling In Africa Fondling Bits In Furry Brown Eye.

    3. profile image0
      Denno66posted 7 years ago

      Money. Money is the Anti-Christ. big_smile

    4. dingdong profile image61
      dingdongposted 7 years ago

      I thought Aunty Christ?

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol
        some people would hate that .
        lol

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          some. big_smile

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      fun2hubposted 7 years ago

      Funny thread!

    6. profile image0
      Denno66posted 7 years ago

      Um, okay.

    7. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago
      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        A HELL of a climate !
        it looks good to me big_smile

    8. aware profile image71
      awareposted 7 years ago

      im lost

    9. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

      pros and cons wherever you go smile

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        and I'm dressed for the occasion big_smile tongue

      2. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm gettin a bit slow here.

        I gotta sleep...

        Oh wow, just saw your latest post.

        You are hot aren't ya.

      3. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm gettin a bit slow here.

        I gotta sleep...

        Oh wow, just saw your latest post.

        You are hot aren't ya.

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          tongue

    10. aware profile image71
      awareposted 7 years ago

      so tantrum is ?

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The antichrist
        and a woman

        1. earnestshub profile image87
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not sure you have enough sixes tantrum! smile

    11. profile image61
      Precious100posted 7 years ago

      ANTI MEANS AGAINST! ANTI CHRIST SIMPLY MEANS=AGAINST CHRIST. IF YOU ARE ANTI CHRIST; YOU ARE AN ENEMY OF HIS. AND THE ANTICHRIST SPIRIT IS IN THE WORLD TODAY AS WE SPEAK.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Very well said.

      2. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        AND it's in caps so it must be true! lol

      3. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I must be the Antichrist then !
        Watch out ! Or sprinkle me with blessed water !
        lol

        1. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You certainly are mean smile

          1. SL Perrin profile image59
            SL Perrinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            As mentioned before what anti means is against.  The simpliest view is not the what is antichrist but who is antichrist and the answer is all those who do not believe in or have faith in Christ Jesus.  The anti-?? is not in favor of or believing in, but rather taking up personal or religious beliefs against another.  It could be anti-hinduism, buddism, catholism, etc.  The book known as the Bible mentions often of antichrist and consistently infers those not believing in Christ; not that it is a particular set of people, or a specific person.

            I do not need a reply to this or any signs of ignorance from those who have not read the Bible in order to make true clarifications of what was typed here.

          2. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            VERY !

            lol

    12. profile image0
      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

      It's the neighbor next door! He doesn't mow and his gutters are growing things!

    13. theirishobserver. profile image59
      theirishobserver.posted 7 years ago

      I honestly think that Bible bashers are the anti-christ, nothing turns people away from religion more than bible bashers, people who are actually too afraid to take on the challenge of life, too afraid of their own weakness and so have to point at the failings of others.....

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        (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Those would be the bible "thumpers"

    14. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago

      The best way to keep you from going to the theater is to tell ya that I will take you there, all the while be leading you in another direction.
         The spirit of Antichrist  will do that as it has done in the past.

     
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