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Homosexuality - Why it should not be slandered.

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago

    I am sick of born again Christians on this site saying homosexuality is evil and wrong.

    I have a couple of good mates who are gay (not with each other) and they are far from evil.

    I am sick of people saying it is a 'wrong' moral choice when there is plenty of scientific evidence proving that it is perfectly natural for some people to be gay.

    [There has been a study in the UK recently which shows that there is a gene or area of the brain (I am an artist, not a scientist so please excuse the lack of technical jargon) which is more susceptible to homosexuality. Since such cases are genetic then those people should be accepted as who they are - if not then it is like hating someone because they have blue eyes or black hair.

    If it is personal choice then their choice should also be respected. As far as chromosomes are concerned a man with XXY as opposed to XY will be more woman-esque. This can go as far as actually prefering the male sex. The same can stand for women who have XXY. It's confusing but biologically it is sound. XXY is either a very feminine man or a very masculine woman.]

    If you hate homosexuals then you may as well be racist - hating someone just because of how they were made.

    If people are going to reply to this DON'T use bible quotations - I believe in a loving and accepting God. I believe in a God who created everyone individually. I believe that he wouldn't damn people he made because of how they are made!

    BEFORE YOU REPLY ASK YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS

    Aren't people, religious or not, taught to be accepting of others?

    Who are you to judge others?

    What gives you the right to tell people what sexuality they ought to be?

    PAH!

    Can't we live in a world without prejudice?

    Luke.

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well - I see some of the religionists have come to tell you what God thinks of homosexuals, but I can answer your questions:

      Q. Aren't people, religious or not, taught to be accepting of others?

      A. No - I was not taught this. I went to religious school in England and was taught that there are: a) English people, b) every body else, c) wogs.

      "Wogs," is a type of catch-all phrase that - although it may sound racist - actually is. Italians and Africans and Catholics for example - are all "wogs," although we are not allowed to say that any more. 

      Q. Who are you to judge others?

      A. I am a god-fearing English man and am therefore qualified to judge any and all others. Especially wogs, poofs and papists.

      Q. What gives you the right to tell people what sexuality they ought to be?

      A. See above.

      PAH!

      Q. Can't we live in a world without prejudice?

      A. God does not want it that way - No. sad

    2. prettydarkhorse profile image63
      prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with you, I have five close friends who are homosexuals...and they contribute to the advancement of knowledge as they are all talented and have something to share..besides they are also humans...

    3. goldenpath profile image82
      goldenpathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Completely agree!  We may not condone one anothers actions, words or even the way another person looks but we should all be
      tolerant one to another.  It's called peace!  smile

    4. double_frick profile image80
      double_frickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i love how you began your post by hating another generalized subculture. not that i'm christian, but those who complain of being persecuted are so quick to point fingers at other groups instead of the individual that personally hurt them.

      i say, rights for everyone and at the same time everyone can stop complaining and whining that they don't have SPECIAL, don't-make-fun-of-ME-because-i'm-different rights.

      i'm white. straight. and pretty much average, middle of the road in most respects. and dang, i got teased and plenty of people didn't like me growing up. a LOT of people hurt my feelings. girls even wanted to beat me up FOR NO REASON in high school. 
      too bad i wasn't gay or some other "minority" subculture so i could cry for about all the hate crimes committed on me...

      kids and people in general are cruel.
      life isn't fair, regardless of your personal choices.
      seems that those that want all to treat them well are asking for more than the rest of us, normal "majority" get.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And I am sick of people trying to twist the definitions of right and wrong.

      1. nyliram profile image60
        nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hey I am straight ans so obviously are you, but there is such a thing as the right to an opinion, and L Andrew is entitled to his.

    6. nyliram profile image60
      nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      L Andrew, there are religious folk out there that don't like me and I am straight, and I believe exceptionally likeable.
      People from all walks of life are weird, the religious people are just Pious, if they don't like straights there is no way that they are going to befriend a Gay person.
      For a large part they are total nutters, but many are well meaning, its all in the teachings.
      I do hate the way some Gay people almost shove it down your throat though, I am not judgmental, and Lesbians are worse, they are such man haters. Sorry but I have never met a Lesbian I liked except Ellen Whatshername, she is funny.

    7. Jouneyman2 profile image60
      Jouneyman2posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      BTW, I am not a born again Christian. Homosexuality is representative of a reprobate mind. It is a choice, not a creation. That is not to say that influence does not play a part in that choice.

      If it were a creation the male body would be equipped to facillitate sexual penetration by another male in the same manner in which the female body is, and visa versa for lesbeinism. Yet, only the male and female bodies are created to facilitate and complement one another, this is a FACT that no amount of 'fanciful proof' can deny.

      As for the evil aspect, answer this; What part of a lie is truth, or, What part of truth is a lie; and at what point does truth BECOME fiction and at what point does fiction become truth?

      The point? The person him or herself may not be 'evil', yet they have CHOSEN to participate in practices which are AND to FORCE those practices upon those who have CHOOSEN not to advocate them; BOTH of which ARE indications of evil character.

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    Justine76posted 7 years ago

    smile

  3. tantrum profile image60
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Agree with you, Luke !!
    smile

    'christians' should learn the meaning of the words Love and Mercy, I think

    1. starme77 profile image86
      starme77posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      christians should mind their own business about others sex lives - the perverts

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Here here! lol

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago

    Surely there must be some other people who either:

    a) Agree with me

    or

    b) Want to take a pot at my logic

    ?

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    bloodnlatexposted 7 years ago

    Whatever makes them happy.  As long as they don't throw it in my face.  I live my live so they can live their lives

    1. Len Cannon profile image88
      Len Cannonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What constitutes "throwing it in your face?"

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        bloodnlatexposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Constantly bringing it up and constantly asking for approval.  In other words constantly making sure that everyone knows that they are gay and won't stop talking about it until everyone approves of it

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          lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          and throwing latex all around too

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            bloodnlatexposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I don't mind that, just as long as it's not used and ummm....'muddy'...

        2. janiek13 profile image82
          janiek13posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Do you make sure everyone knows that you are "straight" (for lack of a better word)? Besides, if we don't throw it in people's faces, how else can we recruit?

          1. dejajolie profile image60
            dejajolieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            LOL

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    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    everybody's happy then whew lol

  7. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    Maybe there is a gene for intolerance?

  8. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    "Aren't people, religious or not, taught to be accepting of others?

    Who are you to judge others?

    What gives you the right to tell people what sexuality they ought to be?"


    your questions indicate that you are able to judge what is right from wrong? There are many things that we should not accept, homosexuality is one.

    This is more the homosexuals problem than it is of those who oppose it. Homosexuals "hate" God, and if they say they love Him- they don't know Him.

    1. tantrum profile image60
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      NICE !! sad sad sad

    2. Friendlyword profile image59
      Friendlywordposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The evil arrogance of some of you is just breath taking. I posting this on all of the religious forums. Time for you people to learn some humility.

      ST PETER AT THE GATE

      St Peter stood guard at the golden gate, with solemn mien and air sedate.  When up to the top of the golden stair, a man and a woman ascended there.  Applied for admission, they came and stood, before St Peter so great and good.  In hopes the city of peace to win,  and asked St Peter to let them in.

      The woman was tall, and lank, and thin, with a scraggly beardlet upon her chin.  The man was short and thick and stout, his stomach was built so it rounded out.  His face was pleasant, and all the while, he wore a kindly and pleasant smile.

      The choirs in the distance, the echoes awoke, and the man kept still, while the woman spoke.

      "O thou who guards the gate," said she "we two cam hither, beseeching thee, to let us enter the heavenly land, and play our harps with the angle band.  Of me; St Peter, there is no doubt, there is nothing from heaven to bar me out.  I've been to meeting three times a week, and almost always I'd rise and speak. I've told the sinners about the day, when they repent of their evil way.  I told my neighbors, I've told them all, 'bout Adam and Eve, and the primal fall.  I've shown them what they'd have to do, if they'd pass in with the cholsen few.  I've marked their path of duty clear, laid out the plan for the whole career.   I've talked and talked to em loud and long, for my lungs are good, and my voice is strong.  So good St Peter you'll clearly see, the gate of heaven is open for me.

      But my old man...I regret to say, hasn't walked in exactly the narrow way.  He smokes and he swears, and grave faults he's got. And I don't know if he will pass or not. He never would pray with an earnest vin, or go to revival, or join in a hymn. So I had to leave him in sorrow there, while I, with the chosen, united in prayer.  He ate what the pantry chanced to afford, While I, in my purity, sang to the Lord.  And if cucumbers were all he got, It's a chance if he merited them or not.  But O St Peter, I love him so; to the pleasures of heaven , please let him go.  I've done enough, a  saint I've been, wont that atone? Cant you let him in?

      By my grim gospel, I know tis so, that the unrepentant must try below.  But isn't there some way you can see, that he may enter, who's dear to me?  It's narrow gospel by which I pray, but the chosen expect to find some way,  of coaxing, or fooling, or bribing you, so that their relations can amble through?

      And say...St Peter...it seems to me, the gate isn't kept as it ought to be.  You ought  to stand by the opening there, and never sit down in that easy chair.  And say...St Peter...my sight is dimmed, But I don't like the way your whiskers are trimmed.  They're cut too wide and outward toss, they'd look better narrow, cut straight across.  Well, we must be going, our crown to win, so open, St Peter and we'll pass in."

      St Peter sat quiet and stroked his staff, but , in spite of his office, he had to laugh.  Then said with a fiery gleam in his eye, "Who's tending this gateway, you or I?" And then he arose in his stature tall, and pressed a button upon the wall, and said to an imp, who came all aglow, "Escort this woman to the regions below."

      The man stood still a piece of stone, stood sadly, gloomily, there alone.  A lifelong settled idea he had, that his wife was good and he was bad.  He thought if the woman went down below, that he would certainly have to go.  That if she went to the regions dim, there wasn't a ghost of a chance for him.

      Slowly he turned, by habit bent, to follow wherever the woman went.  St Peter, standing on duty there, Observed that the top of his head was bare.  He called the gentleman back and said: "Friend, how long have you been wed?"  "Thirty years"(he said with a heavy sigh).  And then he thoughtfully added, "Why?"

      St Peter was silent.  With head bent down, he raised his hand and scratched his crown.  Then, seeming a different thought to take, slowly, half to himself, he spake: "Thirty years with that woman there, no wonder the man hasn't any hair.  Swearing is wicked, smoking's not good, he smoked and swore...I should think he would.

      Thirty years with that tongue so sharp?  O Angel Gabriel, give him  a harp.  A jeweled harp with a golden string.  Good Sir, pass in where the angels sing.  Gabriel, give him a seat alone, one with a cushion up near the Throne.  Call up some angels to play their best.  Let him enjoy the music and rest.  See that on the finest ambrosia he feeds,  he had about all the hell he needs.  It isn't just hardly the thing to do, to roast him on earth and the future too."

      They gave him a harp with golden strings, a glittering robe and a pair of wings.  And he said as he entered the Realms of Day "Well this beats cucumbers, anyway."  And so the Scriptures had come to pass. The last shall be first, and the first shall be last.

      Written By,
      JOSEPH BERT SMILEY

    3. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So, not only are they homosexual, but liars too? Hmm....? Interesting thought.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yeh, well the good book says kill em all!

        Nice, book that... tolerant, understanding. scientific... lol lol

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          sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          We only use the most sensitive stones we can find! We have our limits!

  9. DogSiDaed profile image60
    DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago

    As long as the purpose of this was not to promote yourself as a person then well done!

  10. Don W profile image81
    Don Wposted 7 years ago

    Believing homosexuality is "wrong" is one thing. Treating people differently (unfairly) on the basis of that belief is something else (discrimination).

    So, question: are you objecting to people simply holding a belief that you happen to disagree with? Or are you objecting to discrimination on the basis of that belief?

    I'm guessing it's the second. If it's not then I see shadows of the thought police, which would be ironic considering the issue raised is about personal freedom.

  11. The Rope profile image61
    The Ropeposted 7 years ago

    Well said Luke A.!  There will always be people in the world who are unable (and unwilling) to open their hearts up, remember even the Samaritians were hated and avoided in Jesus' time? And for the same reason - because of their birth. But what a blessing for the rest of us! We get the opportunity to love these same folks and get to see the transformation when they finally realize the truth of God's type of "true love". We get the bountiful blessings - the chance to love everyone and the chance to forgive ourselves without the burden of hate.  Oh I know our creator, "Sooner".  I know that Jesus preached unbiased love for all, I know that God gives us the ability and the heart - what we do with it is up to us.

  12. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Well Said... Good On You L.A.M smile

  13. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I don't know to what extent God will judge homosexuality, I just know that He will judge it. doesn't this thread really say "everyone needs to accept homosexuality"? Well, we don't need to accept it.

    I would love to explain why it is a sin- along with all of the other sins we know about, but I can't see that going very far. Again- it is not the worlds problem for not accepting homosexuality, that is the problem of the homosexual community.

  14. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    yeah.... so yeah.  listen to the voice of reason big_smile

  15. The Rope profile image61
    The Ropeposted 7 years ago

    Sooner - yes, our creator will have a day of it for each of us and what's in our hearts.  Do let me give you a BIG hug! I appreciate you and am so glad to have met someone who is not a sinner.  I'm sure I will be able to learn something from you and your like minded friends.  To begin, I believe I will take away a lesson on tolerance and love from this thread.  roll

  16. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    Please, I did not say that I was not a sinner. But we are to uphold eachother. obviously I came off self righteous, I am sorry.
    All glory, knowledge and praise to the Lord. Because from God comes the glory and the forgiveness. From God comes love, and the love of God we don't understand.

  17. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    Oh please...

  18. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    you seem intolerable?

    1. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think we are past apologies for self-righteousness... LOL!big_smile

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    L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago

    I love the irony behind Sooner's comments. They do make me chuckle. big_smile

    1. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      no kidding!

    2. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sadly - you are mistaken. That is not irony you smell........

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        you are right.  dont get me started tho, Im off shift.  nearly 4am now big_smile

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          L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I agree, it's been a long day and I can't be bothered to argue. An argument with the irrational is a fools errand at best.

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    ronjer1posted 7 years ago

    Since christianity was founded out of the desire to control, homosexuality threatens the very foundation of their dogma. If there is no control, then there is no jesus. in their minds jesus exists, and so does control.

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      L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nicely expressed - but as a Christian I disagree about the Jesus point. Never in the Bible does Jesus directly say that Gays are wrong/evil etc. Infact, Jesus' golden rules were 'Love your neighbour as yourself' and 'Treat others how you would like to be treated'. Nowhere in the Sermon on the Mount does it say what kind of love that love for ones neighbour has to be.

      For all we know he could have meant fanatical gay sex.

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus said 'you will find me under a rock' i.e. he couldn't give a rats about all the pettiness of religionists

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          L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Haha,
          VERY NICE POINT
          big_smile

          1. Bovine Currency profile image60
            Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks, I got that one off a catholic big_smile

        2. ronjer1 profile image60
          ronjer1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          yes, I think you are right. The bible has been rewritten so many times that it's difficult to know what the original interpretations were.
          too bad people don't practice all this 'thy neighbor' stuff they preach.
          google listed these areas where fundamentalists get their hatred towards gays:

          Genesis 19 
          Leviticus 18:22
          Leviticus 20:13
          Romans 1:26-27
          1 Corinthians 6:9-10
          1 Timothy 1:9-10
          Jude 1:7

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          Precious100posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          SOMEONE IS TOTALLY WRONG! YOU WANT YOUR MESS TO BE COVERED. GENESIS 13 SPEAK ABOUT GOD DESTROYED THAT CITY BECAUSE OF! ALSO ROMANS 1 SPEAKS ABOUT MEN LOSING THERE NATURAL AFFECTIONS! BOTTOMLINE, YOU DON'T WANT TO REPENT OR CHANGE FROM THAT MESS OF COURSE WE LOVE SINNERS & JESUS ALSO. THE SAINTS HAVE THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT/AUTHORITY TO JUDGE...YOU WOULD WANT US TO TELL YOU IT IS WRONG SO YOU CAN CORRECT IT BEFORE YOU HAVE TO STAND BEFORE THE ALMIGHTY, HIS ANGELS AND TRILLION X TRILLION X TRILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN JUDGMENT. EVERYONE WILL SEE WHAT YOU WAS DOING IN THE DARK THEN. GOD SAID REPENT/CHANGE. OH MAN YOU ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE. GOD IS NOT GOING TO BUY IT. OUR MIND IS LIKE A TAPE RECORDER...EVERYTHING WE EVER SAID OR DID IN THIS LIFE WILL BE PLAYED BACK IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT. THE SAINTS SPEAK WISDOM AND TALK OF HIS JUDGMENT. THINK ON THESE THINGS IF YOU ARE AN HOMOSEXUAL AND CONSIDER A CHANGE IN YOUR LIFE BEFORE IT'S TO LATE....!

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            A screaming homophobic religious zealot... just what the world needs. lol

            And... I ask again, why have the fundamentalists have some self aggrandising name?

            1. nyliram profile image60
              nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              hahahahah def a homophobic zealot we have here, shall we tell him off no best not be another banning for me.

          2. nyliram profile image60
            nyliramposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            By putting this all in upper case it feels as tho you are yelling, but maybe you are protesting, just abit too much lol

    2. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

      "Ironically" mark preaches of the harm that religion brings to the world, but follows a militant preaching leader of a far deadlier religion.

      "Ironically" this thread was posted for the tolerance of "others", except when someone doesn't agree with you. Tolerance?

      "Ironically" this thread is not about "loving" the "homosexual", it is about accepting homosexuality.

      I didn't miss anything. I feel for you.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think you need to look up the meaning of the word "Ironic" lol

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        L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nicely put. Very nicely put - however, you are wrong on atleast two accounts. This thread was started to put people like you, who believe homosexuality is purely an evil choice, in your place. It is not purely a choice. Science has proven it.

        Secondly, use the world 'ironically' correctly please. Noone said this thread was about loving. This thread is purely saying science plays a part and people like you can't judge people on what they can't help. As I said, you may as well hate black people or the chinese. Saying '"Ironically" this thread is not about "loving" the "homosexual", it is about accepting homosexuality' isn't irony. It's just a statement and an incorrect one at that.

        As it says on a poster in my school (yes, it even says it in capitals) -

        SOME PEOPLE ARE GAY,
        DEAL WITH IT!

        1. Cagsil profile image61
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You want to back this up please? Science has proven what exactly?

          That it can explain an emotional attachment that which goes against humankind's existence? I'd like to see the explanation and what grounds they made their assumptions on. smile




          Whatever YOU DO, do not put Gays and Lesbians in the same Sentence as being Black or even being Chinese, for which are Races. Gays and/or Lesbians are NOT a Race of people. It's Humans beings. Don't make this into something it is not. That has already been done, and it is obvious, you don't understand it.



          You deal with adversity that comes your way, when you bring this topic up. It is obvious you have a problem with other people dissenting opinions. I'm guessing, must pretty sure, you are not going to like my reply any better. The pure and simple FACT of the matter that you don't get is that gays and lesbians, when they decide to enter into a long-term relationship with a partner of the same gender, then they are going against the their own individual biological make up.

          This is not a pissing contest to see who wins. The FACT that this problem has grown to enormous numbers is saying that something is seriously wrong with society, as a whole. Yes, people are gay....BUT it is a CHOICE! There is no genetic ties to homosexuality. It's not determined before you begin a sexual interest. And, to think it does, is a sad influence of business into society.

          And, just so you know. I have nothing against those who are gay or lesbians, because it's not my place to judge. I know plenty of people who are gay or lesbian, and I don't stand in their way to live their life, and I expect the same in return.

          That may sound strange, because of my statement, but then again my statement is SCIENCE backed. In multiple fields. The natural reproductive cycle of Humans is Male on Female or Female on Male, however, you choose to look at it. This is a biological fact. If you're going to spend your life with a partner, who is of the same sex, then there is something wrong with you, because naturally you should tend toward the opposite, because it's mating.

          And you know....the science class is now over. I can only imagine what your response will be? But, I'm sure it won't bite much.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You have a science degree?

    3. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

      I know your favorite line is to bring out the dictionary mark. but for the sake of repetiveness- give it a rest.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It still applies. Irony. Look it up............

    4. The Rope profile image61
      The Ropeposted 7 years ago

      Sooner, just a question but have you ever read anything in the bible about God saying that "Judgment" was for God alone?  That we poor humans need to not judge others?  How do you reconcile that with intolerance based on this?

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        L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yowl -

        Kitty has claws.

        I've decided - I've made my point clear enough now so I am just going to sit back and make random comments every now and then. There are enough people here supporting my point for me to relax now =]

        1. The Rope profile image61
          The Ropeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol  sorry but kitty's got to leave now...will enjoy checking this thread later tonight.

        2. DogSiDaed profile image60
          DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          A weak strategy Luke! It is your fight, you started it, so take it on! tongue

      2. Mark Knowles profile image59
        Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ew! Ew! - I know that one sir.

        Jesus said we can judge but only when we judge in righteousness.


        http://hubpages.com/hub/JudgeNotLestYeBeJudged


        So we are to judge......

        In righteousness.

      3. dejajolie profile image60
        dejajolieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Amen, only ONE can Judge, the rest of us are merely Spectators who live in Glass houses, how Dare any of us pick up that stone.....

    5. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 7 years ago

      Pretty much noone except the Talibangelicals and the elderly has an issue with gay people anymore.

    6. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

      You all got to judge somebody today. how ironic.

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        L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The guy has a point. How about everyone stops judging everyone (I include myself in this) as we are all just refering back to personal attacks on eachother and this has nothing to do with the subject anymore.

        We are all guilty of judging someone today - we all judged Sooner and Sooner judged us.

        None of us can deny it.

        If we leave religious views aside we're not all that different. Everyone I mean, not just me and Sooner. We're all human.

    7. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

      "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

      Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,"

      1. pylos26 profile image79
        pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Damn!...you are a brilliant person.

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      L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago

      HERE ENDETH THE FORUM

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

      It is what it is there is no slandering. Those who speak for it try to package it as something it's not, normal. You have a choice to believe what ever you want, I choose to believe it's a deviate lifestyle.

      Andrew if you're gay it's ok. Don't worry about it there is plenty of support here. You can dance in the daiseys with a clean conscious! Go ahead take your shoes off, feel the cool grass. You can ask your partner to dance with you and the two of you can run off through the daisey fields of life. Yes Andrew you are free to choose your lifes path, to be all you can be, majic.

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        L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not gay haha.
        Granted it's not normal but science says it can be natural. That is all I have to say.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I know.smile

    10. Presigo profile image61
      Presigoposted 7 years ago

      It is my opinion that homosexuality is a sin. So are many things. It is not up to people to judge some acts more sinful than others. Sin is sin and God almighty is the only worthy to judge. We have certain subjects that elicit great emotion, when the truth is that lieing and decieving could easily be as sinful as homosexuality. We should quit debating these things and creating enormous walls between us and work together to help one another with our time here on earth. Life is short and all of us are sinners and unworthy

    11. Presigo profile image61
      Presigoposted 7 years ago

      It is my opinion that homosexuality is a sin. So are many things. It is not up to people to judge some acts more sinful than others. Sin is sin and God almighty is the only worthy to judge. We have certain subjects that elicit great emotion, when the truth is that lieing and decieving could easily be as sinful as homosexuality. We should quit debating these things and creating enormous walls between us and work together to help one another with our time here on earth. Life is short and all of us are sinners and unworthy

      1. tantrum profile image60
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You're not precisely helping posting this comment, I think
        Who do you think you are to judge in that way ????

        In name of all my gay friends, Than you so much !

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I actually think that one of the greatest tragedies, and evils, in the world, is homophobia. For example, based on my experience of knowing various Muslims, most Muslims I know believe more-or-less the same as me when it comes to morality: they are against violence, in favour of compassion, think family is important, working hard, honesty, etc., and in fact also believe that women are equally valuable as men (all the Muslims I have ever known, at least) -- BUT, they are all against homosexuality... and it is THIS I don't like about them (or at least about their religion). (and no I;m not gay :-) ).

          The Nazis persecuted gays, and the Iranian government persecutes gays -- this should be a signal that being gay is ok, and just a target for oppressive regimes...

          1. Presigo profile image61
            Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          2. tantrum profile image60
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            And all believers are homophobic, as the Bible  sees it as a sin.
            Being gay is OK because it's a target for oppressive regimes ?? yikes
            I hope you've been ironic here, if not ....

            1. Presigo profile image61
              Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this
              1. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Something is screwed up here: there is a portion of my post attached to a portion of someone else's......, as if they are the same person writing.

                I did NOT write:
                "I do not agree that believers are homophobic. Some may very well be and that is sad, I for one am not homophobic. I believe that some are christinityphobic, that too is wrong. Is the point coming through ? We are not here to judge each other, but we are also not called to condone sinful behavior, we should work in love to help one another to be better people and remain humble in our place in the chain, so to speak"

                Some believers are homophobic, some are not. Some people are Christian-haters, which is obviously also not good. I don't believe we are "called" to do anything regarding "sin", because I don't think that "sin" is a meaningful concept. Or, at least, I do not think that sexual behaviour between consenting adults can ever (generally speaking) be seen as "sin," i.e., as wrong. Just doesn't make sense to me.

            2. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I put it badly. I meant that if intolerant, repressive regimes persecute anything, there is a fair chance that the thing they persecute is a force for good: either because it represents people expressing themselves freely, or because it threatens that regime. But, yes, I was being sort-of ironical...

      2. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Of course, the problem is that a person has to accept the idea of "sin" in the first place.

        For me, I go for the common sense approach -- if an act genuinely hurts someone else, (in a straightforward, commonsense way: damages their dignity, is physically injurious, etc), or hurts something of value (like destruction of an ecosystem), then it is morally wrong.

        I use the words moral, morality, ethics, ethical and so on, because everyone agrees that these are real entities -- not everyone believes in sin -- I certainly do NOT believe in any kind of sexual sin, actually, unless it hurts someone (just like any act: if it hurts someone, it is unethical).

        I can accept the idea of sin, however, if we define sin as something that offends God, BUT that the only things that offend God are the hurting of others... and not sexual sins, swearing, drinking etc.

    12. dyonder profile image78
      dyonderposted 7 years ago

      As a heterosexual with many gay friends I have nothing but the utmost of respect for homosexuality: anyone who can deny the genetic imperitive (especially in these times of overpopulation and impending limited resources) deserves to be applauded. Enjoying the ascetics of flesh, tenderness, and emotion over the flow of hormonal fluids stimulating the brain could very well be the next step in our evolutionary progress. Who knows. I think it should be taught in schools right along side sex ed as a viable means of contraception.

      1. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sorry, but it appears you are suggesting that homosexuals are better evolved because they enjoy the most primative forms of desires; of flesh, tenderness and emotions. Then you lead that it might be the next step in evolutionary progress because they unawaringly notice "overpopulation and impending limited resources"?

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          L. Andrew Marrposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I give up on my own argument. Sooner, I sent you an email about something completely different - just to draw your attention to it.

    13. dyonder profile image78
      dyonderposted 7 years ago

      I appreciate your response, sooner, however my wording was a bit different than your paraphrasing supposed. I spoke of the 'ascetics' of flesh, tenderness, and emotion. Big difference. I also followed '...evolutionary process.' with 'Who knows'. I also did not say, nor could it be construed that I said 'they unawaringly notice "overpopulation and impending limited resources"'. Personally, I have found in life, rather than judging others by my own moral code (which is my own, no one else's) I seek to understand. The spiritual reward is greater, by far, through awareness & understanding.

    14. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

      LAM, I will go look.

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      ralwusposted 7 years ago

      I know gays who are also firm believers and attend church regularly. they also can and do love God. Let him be the judge, we are to love everyone. I know that can be hard, for I sin I suppose in my hatred for child molesters and rapists. Oh well...

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      lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

      It shouldnt be and this thread does just that

    17. sooner than later profile image61
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

      LAM. check your mail. sooner.

    18. caravalhophoto profile image60
      caravalhophotoposted 7 years ago

      I think the saddest statements I have read on these forums is "I have gay friends" and "why do christians hate gays/lesbians"

      Why are you labeling your friends, black, white, English, Yankee, gay, lesbian, morman...they are your friends, when you introduce them do you say this is my gay friend Fred or this is Lucy my Lesbian friend...I'm sure you don't, so stating that you have gay friends is just ridiculious and you support them, but don't agree with their needs or wants, how is that being a friend?

      I am a Christian, I was born a Christian and have never walked away from God, I am a tolerant Christian, I know what is right and wrong, was raised with morals and values and I know I will be Judged for my actions and choices, not those of someone else and I do support equal rights which includes same sex marriage.  Would I condone anything other than two consenting adults...absolutely not, so no need to bring up animals, children or any other disgusting acts, that is a whole different matter and really doesn't belong in this subject.

      Maybe some day people will reach a level of tolerance and peace to all, reading some of these posts however, its obvious we have a long way to go.

    19. dyonder profile image78
      dyonderposted 7 years ago

      2 true caravalhophoto; should've used 'happy' rather than the synonym used. It would've been more fitting - happiness is.

    20. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

      Are there any moderators about?  Can this thread not be thrown to the overdone basket.  The answer is easy, have some tolerance, its done, right?

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sounds good to me.

    21. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

      Whatever your religion, there is no basis for you to ask for any respect based on faith if you can't respect others, that is what happens.  Gender is not about faith or god.  It is just plain ridiculous.

    22. Drakoras profile image60
      Drakorasposted 7 years ago

      Sooner, I say it over and over- If you are going to make something your reference, Make sure you know it.
      Are you familiar with the child's game 'Telephone'? Christ himself never forbade homosexuality. That was added to his words, Just like the 'holy spirit' that didnt exist until the 1500's...

      And Bravo, L andrew. There is homophobia even in places it shouldnt be, A signal of pure ignorance.

      I mean, hating someone because they dont want to stick their **** in a *****?

      Srsly....

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        In fact, on the contrary, Jesus is consistently portrayed hanging out with the marginalized members of society.

        1. Drakoras profile image60
          Drakorasposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I never said he wasnt. I know what he really did, and these where wonderful things and he has my utmost respect, along with Prabhupada and Buddha. I'm just saying that what the bible says he did isnt always what he really did.

          sneakorocksolid, Jesus was a veget. He'd be grilling veggy burgers.

    23. Jerami profile image78
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago

      The defination of sin is anything that is detrimental to your body or spirit. Intestins are designed to absorb, sperm is designed to absorb or invade. Plays havoch with the blood system. Bad ofor your health therefore is a sin.
         Glutony (too many cookies) bad for you, therefore a sin.
         Adultry, stealing, murder, all sins.
      Big diffrence between judging and passing judgment???

         condemming others  is a sin.
         We will be judged acording to how we judge ??

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sorry, but how can anyone seriously propose that the God of the Universe, Creator of the Cosmos, etc., etc., cares how many COOKIES some guy eats! Hahahahahahaha.

        Actually, it is offensive: there is so much genuine misery in the world, so many children living in squalour, and people have the gall to claim any kind of moral sense when they ignore this fact and instead go off about how sperm hurts the intestines: this is the height of navel-gazing -- Jesus would be in Calcutta or some Latin American slum ministering to the destitute -- NOT writing posts on a website about cookies and sperm.

    24. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

      For the so called Christians out there,

      2 Peter 2,

      19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. 20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit,"[f]and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."

    25. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

      If you are supposedly saved by christ, and then go about acting in your righteous judgement, you are WORSE off than if you were never 'saved'.  Deal with it.

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        One of the most prominent aspects of the Gospel stories is the large number of times Jesus crticizes the religious authorities of the day for religiosity, hypocrisy, and judging others.

        Go figure

        1. Bovine Currency profile image60
          Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I picked that one up long ago big_smile

          If the J man were alive today he would be on the forums attacking the religionists, probably getting banned.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

      No Way! He'd have a BBQ! Run away little cow!

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I suggest next time you try reading the bible with your eyes open.

    27. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago

      Great work by Smiley, thank you for posting! smile

    28. Don W profile image81
      Don Wposted 7 years ago

      Have yourself a merry little Christmas,
      Make the Yule-tide gay,
      From now on,
      our troubles will be miles away.

      There it is, the yuletide should be made gay. A direct order from Judy Garland.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        There's the benchmark for sanity.

    29. Amez profile image80
      Amezposted 7 years ago

      I truly wish you were feeling bliss and peace on this Blessed Holiday, I can understand your concern, truly if you went back a few thousand years ago, you'd see there were many other persecuted long before the Gays, and I'm sure there will be new targets found to allow these few who try to rally others to follow thier lead. But you must realize, We choose to with stand all that aposes our belief, and thats why we honor many of those that lost thier life doing so. There's little anyone can do about how people choose to act, The prison are full of those who acted out thier prejudice and hatered toward another, but it hasn't changed much, but there are things we can do to prevent things from getting out of hand, Theres a time and place to display are most inner feeling, and theres places where we should reframe if for no other reason, someone totally unaware might get hurt in the moment, even a child standing close by, if for no other reason, than to prevent harm to come to anyone like that in any form. I like using these thoughts to disarm my inner emotional flare ups, from time to time, Face piles of trials with lots of smile, and don't let them know you that you Precieve the web they weave. and Keep your mind about you, when all those around you are losing thiers. 
        Remember above all else there were many that weren't Gay that died trying to defend those they loved because they were Gay.
      Because they believe that knowone should be made to feel rejected or judged, Even Our Lord said "Judge not Least thee be Judge, So just leave it in his hands, and go on and make the most of that life you do have, and hey while your really enjoying it everyonce in a while, don't forget to make a toast among the crowd, to remember those who have walked the same paths and fought hard, so that the freedom that does exist is, your today.

      1. Presigo profile image61
        Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        very thoughtful post ! I agree with you, we have freedom because of those who had courage before us, all blessings to you !

    30. Will Apse profile image89
      Will Apseposted 7 years ago

      Thanks for that Amez.

      I think the problem for many people is that they just don't know many gays.

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      B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 7 years ago

      It should NEVER be slandered, we are all human beings who should be allowed to enjoy equal rights, regardless of our personal preferences..

      Be proud of who you are and forget about those who hate, they are the ones with issues about themselves..

     
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