Yes I do, why because it's in the Bible in Revelations. The Bible is the word of God and I believe in what it says eventhough it's been tampered with by man to this day. But little do these people know that the last passage in the Bible is directed to them for their tampering.
After living in this hell on earth there has got to be a second coming, because we still don't have it right. B = Biblical I = Instructions B = Before L = Leaving E = Earth
Yes there is a second coming. This is already the falling away that Paul mention the "public devil worship." Also as soon as the new world order is complete than the antichrist will come claiming to the world he is god showing great signs in the sight of men. Watch for the new system($$600606$$)after the major disater in america rem. she is the harlot...
The beginning of the thread and had you read thru the beginning of the post, then you would obviously know that you were walking into a storm brewing and might have had enough sense not to post, but since you didn't.....we are now having this conversation.
That a good enough explanation, not that I have to explain. But, since you are new, it's easily to get distracted, because HubPages has so much stuff and you want to get going. I get it, but it's always better to know what you're getting yourself into, before you actually step first without looking, like you have in this case.
I absolutely believe in the second coming of Jesus Christ. He came again exactly as Gabriel said that he would in Daniel 9:25 and as Jesus himself said that he would Before Generation that he was talking to comes to its end. He came again around 94 AD.
The practice of interpreting The end time prophesy began before The Messiah ever arrived upon the earth. They also thought that when the Messiah came according to the Old Testament prophets (they thought) that he was coming as a conquering hero. That he was going to crush the Roman Empire.Interpretations were wrong at that time as it is today. Mankind has never stopped interpreting the word of God. For the last 1900 years mankind has been interpreting interpretations of interpretations of interpretations and on and on...
No one is ever going to understand what is actually written until you begin again studying what scripture actually says.
Is anyone curious as to what is actually written???? Do we love our interpretations of Gods more than we love his word??? Do we love the imposter of God more that the real one???
Scripture does say that if possible even the elect will be fooled. As many have been.
so all of you believe Jesus has been here a 2nd*? what is Paul saying n 2Th. 2 The Great Apostasy 3 Let no one decieve you BY ANY MEANS; for that DAY WILL NOT COME UNLESS THE FALLING AWAY COMES FIRST, & the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ Which God gave unto him TO SHEW UNTO HIS SERVANTS". God said; hay son show these things to our servants. What does that mean??? God said ; Hay Son show them these "things that MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS" What does that mean??? "FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND" "What did he just say"
God did not say hay son go tell them these things that are going to happen to them in 2000 years.
Really? Do you know who Greenleaf is? A self proclaimed atheist who sought out to prove the bible wrong, but instead became a Christian because the evidence for Jesus Christ (God in flesh) was overwhelming. Show me the Big Bang, life from non-life, Any hard evidence for evolution. Any. We have the same facts, The same earth and the same science we it comes to observational science, so it's interpretation vs interpretation.
Fact 1: The universe had a beginning
Fact 2: The Second Law of Thermodynamics is Fact
Fact 3: We would be here if there was infinite regression of Causes
Conclusion: There must be an uncaused cause. I believe based on the facts that God is the uncaused that created everything from nothing.
You can either use logic to say nothing created everything(0+0=1), matter is eternal(disproved-entropy and the second law of Thermodynamics) or there is a uncaused caused created everything(proven through the Law of Causality) either way logic and faith are required. We know things can only produced after it’s kind, we know life only comes from life. I believe in God based on what I know you’re an atheist because of what you don’t know. Was your brain designed or a product of random chance? Why do you trust your thoughts?
First there are many former atheist you look at the facts and found God you can too.
I've seen all of your interpretations of the facts it's not convincing.
All of the facts equal variations, genetic recombination, adaptations, transduction, mutations, transformation, vital enzyme exchange through plasmids, natural selection, conjugation within a kind, observational and a proven fact, and supports the bible claims (after its kind)but when evolutionists try to take leap of faith with “Give it enough time you turn anything to anything look at these bones” that where it stops being science and becomes a pseudoscientific religion. and you can't tell how it all began and where the information came from.
Was your brain designed or a product of random chance? Why do you trust your thoughts?
You don't speak science, logic, fact either, but I still respond to you. CS Lewis was an atheist too. You can only deny the facts for long before you start running from them. http://www.x-evolutionist.com/
As a firm believer in Christ, I do not. The destruction spoken in the bible's book of Revelation, is not of Jesus and the patient loving God he spoke of. So no- I don't believe in this second coming as depicted in Revelations, but am more incline to believe in what he is suppose to have stated found in Luke, Chap 21:25.
Yes. It is one of the pinnacles of faith. It is often viewed and seen as an end but I rather view it as a beginning. Yes, the world as we know it will end. However, there are scores of uplifting events and works to take place leading up to and following the Second Coming. My personal joy in my faith is in the study of the conditions during the millenial reign. I've lost my firstborn twenty years ago and there are great promises concerning this group in the millenium. It is reassuring and gives hope.
Enter Ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bringeth forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bringeth forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruit ye shall know them. Not everyone that saith unto me, lord, lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, lord, lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then i will profess unto them, I never knew you: Depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them. I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock; and it fell not; for it was founded upon a rock. And everyone that heareth that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house on the sand. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; And it fell, and great was the fall.
Absolutely, He will return because God never lies, we cannot know exactly when, but the signs of the times show He's returning soon.
Matthew 24 is now reading like a daily weather forecast, there is a massive increase in lawlessness and depravity.
Fools are now openly scoffing about His lack of return and Satan is desperately trying to deceive as many as he may before his time is up and he's toast.
I am seeing increased signs that the atheists all want to push as hard as possible to discredit the bible, Christians and especially Christ.
All the fellow travellers have crawled out from under the wood work and started spouting their venom, the N.W.O are massing up to start their takeover of the world economy and government and the people are somnolent in their laziness after years of fast food, Ritalin, fluoride and sports TV have destroyed their intellect and resolve.
Come soon Lord Jesus, come soon my Lord
Luke 21:36 (King James Version)
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Don't want to stir things up with you, because from your picture you look like a very nice lady ( ), but I have to say, any view of God that includes his having the power to create the universe could not include a personality where he might be so sensitive that "disrespect" affects him: an all powerful being is hardly going to be bothered by any of us! How could he be; it doesn't make sense, or add up to common sense
to return the compliment aqua I also thought this was very well put and not only that but the TRUTH! I too am seeing more and more of this push from atheists and more and more of satans work.... I cannot wait for that day when we who believe can finally live in total PEACE forever...this world we live in is utterly disgusting and I cannot wait to go home and be away from all this madness.. arguing that people start all the porn and drugs the fighting hollywoods permotions of nonstop EVIL I personally believe that hollywood is straight from the pits of hell... they base everything on fame appearance and money... we are all worth loving the same.. also I think its rather ironic how the word FILTHY most the time comes before rich... FILTHY rich is right money is the root of all evil.. so many people believe and trust in their money which is something that cannot buy them a ticket to heaven. here on earth money makes the world go round because MAN made it that way. But in the other worldly realm money is as good as non existant.. it is whether we choose to ACT or not act on evil deeds, our faith and dedication that will be weighed when judgement day comes I pray and hope that I am deemed worth enough to have my name written in the book of life and I also feel immense sadness for those who are so sinfully blind and don't want to believe and even in their hearts don't want to..... just makes me sad
I've seen further proof this week, that the atheists are determined to try and suppress or discredit our Lord and His servants, (thats you and me and all the other believers who post here) after I published a hub exposing the demonic activity behind mediums, soothsayers, and the New Age religions....
The days are short, thankfully, and ironically the thing that seems to annoy the godless is the fact that we welcome the return of our Lord, so even if only subliminally, they know that the time of reckoning is approaching fast, and are fighting harder to try and discredit what the bible states, as if that will make a difference to our respective futures.
yes come soon I pray for this every night ... I cant wait for our dear Lord to come and do what needs to be done... and for those of you who are trying so hard to upset me with your negative posts it wont work... IF GOD HAD A FACE WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE AND WOULD YOU WANNA SEE? IF SEEING MEANT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THINGS LIKE HEAVEN AND IN JESUS AND THE SAINTS? AND ALL THE PROPHETS? YEA YEA GOD IS GOOD YEA YEA GOD IS GREAT YEA YEA YEA WHAT IF GOD WAS ONE OF US? JUST A SLOB LIKE ONE OF US....... YES IM CRAZY!!!! CRAZY FOR JESSSSSUUUUSSSSSSS!!!!! HOOOORAYYY!!!!
Excuse me, but you're just getting your facts wrong. There is no proof that Jesus ever existed. The written accounts you're referring to are 50+ years after Jesus's supposed death, therefore excluded as sources of proof. There is no proof Jesus ever existed, and lets face it. The Bible doesn't really describe his life that well.
We first see Jesus as a child, and then we see him when he's 30. Also, in one of the gospels, even one of the most important miracles is excluded, the virgin birth!
Also, hundreds of years before Jesus, there were stories of men who were born from a virgin birth on the 25th of December, baptized in a river, practiced miracles, ressurected people, and being crusified; only later to be announced ressurected... Sound familiar???
Don't fret, neither of the two resident infidels can do more than offer snide remarks and stupid smiley faces to the world, they are empty vessels, making noise but full of nothing, which is after all what they believe in.
Ah to be sure your just a young whipper snapper, so we'll excuse your lack of knowledge, go read your bible and find out for yourself, or look it up online, the whole bibles there for free, and no copyright either!
Just looked you up, so I know you can appreciate a sad sense of humour!
You really want to know? I fight against you, because you are going against your nature of existence, by believing in a GOD that doesn't exist.
Duh! I love humanity, but religion isn't what is appears and as for you following or understanding your own religion, is highly doubtful, considering you are going against Jesus' direct words, as you believe in a GOD that doesn't exist.
The GOD you seek, is yourself. It's to be GOD in your own life, by using your consciousness, conscience and subconsciousness, as they were MEANT to be used.
The fact that you can't see the difference is because of your blindful faith, which always gets in your way to understanding life, as it is known.
You fight for salvation? Why did YOU do something wrong?
My purpose in Life is to gain knowledge, gain understanding(wisdom) through the use of honest thoughts and honest action.
My purpose is for the bettering of humankind. And, since you're suppose to be selfless, then I would expect you to understand that I do what I do, because YOU need me to.
My faith is not place in a mystical god. My faith is placed in my abilities and the rest of humankind.
Anyways, Yes the second coming of Jesus Christ our saviour is coming sooner than anyone thinks. We all need to make sure that we have God in our hearts and lives right now because we are not guaranteed another second of life. cagsil....I guess we could just say that you know everything right. From how well I know my own religion to who my true God is. Wow......applauds.....Is that what you are looking for. First off I am not self glorifying and I do sin, I ask for forgiveness so yeah I have done something wrong, who hasnt, so you probably should get off your high horse too. As for you fighting because "Iam going against my own nature of existance" Dont worry about me or any other believer, what business is it of yours. So dont think your going to make the world a better place by spreading your self glorifying nothingness, your not. As for you scoffers, you are only fulfilling prophecy and it doesnt matter what you say, because we win.you lose. So keep talking :)keep fighting the truth.
As much as I would love to continue this conversation I cant. Kids to get into bed.
Good night and may God soften your hearts. God bless.
Religion is a business, and nothing more. It's based on a code/rule of ethics, bound to a higher cause.
It tells you how to live your life, it tells you to push your own consciousness out of the equation, it tells you to mimic other authoritive words or will, which is directly against the nature of humans.
You must be completely out of your tree to think that believing in god is actually healthy for you, when it contradicts the nature of life.
Excuse you. Even IF, and I use the term very loosely- IF God was real and I had to stand before him, I'd tell the jacka## where to get off. Because he could have saved a lot of lives, he just made himself known to the world and been done with it.
Since, that would have been the most logical option, yet you're told about in a book, that was CREATED by man.
How likely is it to be real, IF man made up religion and the 'god' concept?
Wow! Im going to pray for you cagsil! that was the problem with the jews cldn't wait om God after He lead them thru the wilderness. Where's ur FAITH
The Unpardonable Mt. 12:31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Mt. 12:32 "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, EITHER IN THIS AGE OR THE AGE TO COME.
Mt. 13:14 "Hearing you will hear and shall not understan, and seeing you will see and not perceive; Mt. 13:15 "for the hearts of this people have grown dull their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them. STILL APPLIES TO THIS DAY AND AGE
Sory I forgot to answer one of your questions. The son of predition was the little horn of the fourth beast.This was the king that would replace three after the ten. His name was Hadrian. The fourteenth emperor of Rome which was the fourth beast or fourth kingdom upon the earth.
philosopher ? what about publicized devil worship, same sex relationship, the new economic system that is coming thru global warming and NEW World order? when will the enternal fire come? also where is the new Jerusalem? why do we still have pain and are still at war with one another? did God not say Rev. 7 16 They shall neither hinger anymore not thirst anymore: the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepher them and lead them to living fountains waters. and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes
plz tell me where is the New Heaven and New Earth? where is THE LORD IS THERE? so I cld stop living in this place thats headed for destruction?
Mt. 24:21 "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has NOT BEEN SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD until this time, no nor ever shall be END TIME PROPHECY Dan. 12 again Jesus Christ will be back after the falling away of man stated in 2Th2
that's exactly how come the bible is called the mysterion. God reveals the kingdom of heaven to the believers
Matthew 23 and 24 are actually one conversation. Jesus was blasting the scribes and pharisees through out this chapter with a dozen WOE unto yous, and a few you Fools. v.35 "That upon you nay come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth..." "Verily I say unto you all these things shall come upon THIS generation". And as Jesus was leaving the disciples ask him, "when shall these things be? And what shall be the signs of thy coming". This was a private conversation between Jesus and Peter, James, John and Andrew. Jesus answered them with a bunch of When YOU see and when they do this to YOU. Jesus also said that this generation shall not pass away til all these things be fulfilled but no one knows the day or hour but God only.
My point exactly Jesus has not come a second time the great tribulation has not taken place yet. you few are tryn to convince yourselves that Jesus came a second time when he has not. now where is the city THE LORD IS THERE?
According to scripture Gabriel said (in 538 BC) that they are going to kill the messiah after 62 weeks. Dan 9:26 They did around 30 AD Jesus told Peter,James and John and Andrew that that generation shall not end till all those things be fulfilled. Gabriel said that it shall be 69 weeks unto the Messiah Jesus appeared unto John in 94 AD Gabriel said that they were given 70 weeks to quit sinning and anoint the most Holy in order to shut up the prophesy. They didn't do this.About 40 years after Jesus appeared to John, that Hebrew Nation ceased to exist. If the seventy weeks were past it stands to reason that the 69 also would have been past. As far as the City, the New Jerusalem is concerned; it does not come down until after the seventh trumpet is sounded and the seventh vial is poured out. And as far as the tribulation is concerned you should read about the conditions that was prevalent from 62 AD and until 135 when that Hebrew nation was being scattered throughout the Roman Empire. Now that was a great tribulation such as never before no nor after. Read Josephus Daniel 9:25
"Jesus was blasting the scribes and pharisees through out this chapter " (quoting you, above).
In fact, huge chunks of the Gospels are devoted to depicting Jesus denouncing the religious authorities for debating petty details of religion, and ignoring the true needs of the people out there in an impoverished society. (Mmmm, sound familiar...)
Here's my two cents worth. All you Christians out there had better bloody well hope that Christ does not come back -- because there is a quote in the Gospels where Jesus says, in effect, "Sorry boys, you ain't getting in the Gates... I was hungry and you never fed me, I was weary, and you didn't give me shelter..." and so on. If you are a Christian, you know what I am referring to.
There are ONE BILLION people on this planet who live on less than the equivalent of a dollar a day. Do you SERIOUSLY think God is going to forgive you ignoring this fact? This is not just a petty slip-up; this is a "sin", a wrongdoing, of such mighty proportions you'd better well hope your life is extended a bit longer yet, so you can address this!
Or maybe you don't believe that particular verse...
I agree with what you are saying. But to be preaching this message to poor people profits nothing. Consider the TV evangelists who have made millions. And most charitable organizations that eat up 94% of the contributions and still calling themselves NON PROFFIT. There is not that much that we poor people can do except for feeding those less fortunate in and around our neighbor hoods. So should we stop discussing diffrent aspects of religion. It is inexpensive enough to do and we may learn something.
I was laughed @ 4 this reason again...Yes there is a second coming. This is already the falling away that Paul mention the "public devil worship, sexual immortality, spiritual apostasy, etc." Also as soon as the new world order is complete than the antichrist will come claiming to the world he is god showing great signs in the sight of men. Watch for the new system($$600606$$)after the major disater in america rem. she is the harlot... so says my fellow sisters an brethren I ddn't _stand the thread 4give me Im yellow bus material
What about soldiers, doctors, nurses, volunteers to third world countries, people who are taking care of widows,orpahans, feeding the hungry, and healing the sick. There are tares among true Christians, but those of us who are real are aware of what's going on around us and we are doing our best.
Indeed. I like that bumper sticker. It does blow my mind, however, as I say, how there is this huge debate about this doctrine and that doctrine, yet, ironically, if you ask a non-Christian what the most prominent feature of Jesus' life was, it was "help the poor, and those with no hope."
Again, perhaps it wouldn't be so astounding to me if there weren't that many poor people out there; but when four bilion people live on the equivalent of ten dollars a day OR LESS...
... Well, I thought the Bible says Ye shall know them by their fruits. So where are the fruits. Christians should be very, very worried; witnessing to the world means acting like Jesus acted, to show he is present in your heart -- I don't see much evidence of this however...
Right, let's roll up some sleeves and do some spiritual battle here.
If you are a Christian, and believe the words of Jesus as written in the Gospels, I've got news for you -- there's a good chance you're on the way to hell.
Why? Because, as I have pointed out above, there are several billion people on this planet with next-to-nothing. They cannot even feed their children.
What are you doing about it? Something I hope -- or maybe you don't believe Matthew Chapter 25:
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Every human who calls themselves Christian should definitely help others in some way - give to the poor, donate clothing, donate food, visit the sick, feed a homeless person, inspire the hopeless, rescue an animal. Everyone can do SOMETHING! If you don't have any money or items to donate, give of your time.
I said Christians should do these things, but actually, I believe we all should, as human beings.
"Jesus was blasting the scribes and pharisees through out this chapter " (quoting you, above).
In fact, huge chunks of the Gospels are devoted to depicting Jesus denouncing the religious authorities for debating petty details of religion, and ignoring the true needs of the people out there in an impoverished society. (Mmmm, sound familiar...)
I agree with you completely. We must feed the hungry. I feed every hungry person I see. I do not turn anyone away.
Jerami are you still saying Jesus Christ has been here a second*? Jesus was not anointed He was crucified, when was He actually anointed? again STOP AVOIDING THE ?'s when will the enternal fire come? also where is the new Jerusalem? why do we still have pain and are still at war with one another? did God not say thru John in Rev. 7 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore: the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.
plz tell me where is the New Heaven and New Earth? where is the city called "THE LORD IS THERE?" so I cld stop living in this place thats headed for destruction?
again, was Jesus anointed as king or crucified as king? again, when was the second coming bcuz from what I can recall n.w.o illuminati, freemason--GOVERNMENT is of satan and whether you like it or not Jesus Christ is coming back for the SECOND TIME 2b anointed as King.(4 this GREAT TRIBULATION) You shld stop studying so hard and PRAY that God Almighty reveals the truth 2u. God Bless
The New Jerusalem is seen coming down from heaven after all is said and done. It is a very complicated subject. I would sudgest that you read my hub A Day = a Year not. Then you can at least see where I am coming from. Disagree if you like but that is truly how I feel. and God Bless you too.
I was thinking about how old I'll be in seven years. As that thought crossed my mind, so did another. The rapture crossed my mind,the second coming. I believe and I pray that I'm raptured up to be with my Lord and Savior,for the world without God is going to be wretched.
the ? was do you believe in second coming of Jesus Christ? I replied yes with addition to the spiritual apostasy of today that Jesus wld come a 2* soon. than I was accused of not knowing how to read & that the ? is asking do I believe in Jesus coming already. Im confused???? from my understanding Jesus has not come back a second time Im not getting any clarification let alone edification.. I understand the past but do you understand the future to come?
I believe that the 42 months that the beast described in Rec. 13 will fulfill the 42 months in just a very few years. At that time the last trumpet will be sounded and the last vial will be poured out; what ever that means.
If you believe that the Gospels are the true words of Jesus, then logically you must believe:
A) that Jesus was royally p**ssed off with people who spent all their time messing about debating this belief and that doctrine -- he criticizes this over and over again
B) Matthew chapter 25 is extremely clear as to who he thought would be damned; and it was people who allowed even "the least of these" of the poor and the destitute (of which there are currently literally billions in the world) to go without aid.
So, if you doing (A) (which you seem to be doing on this forum), presumably you are annoying Jesus quite a lot right now, and, if you are NOT doing (B) then you are on your way to hell: so the last thing you should want is Judgemnt Day.
@AdsenceStrategies You do have a valid point. ..Yet.. Jesus did discuss doctrine with the diffrent sects when he was , lets say, "challenging" them. What I am debating is the fact that we should not have different denominations that was created by interpretation of scripture. I have been and still am interpreting scripture to the best of my ability.
I encourage everyone to throw away their books of interpretations, and analyze what is written is scripture.
Understanding the End time prophesies are important because understanding them as they are actually written will put a diffrent prospective on all other scripture.
But I thought the whole point of Jesus' message (assuming, as always, that his words were recorded accurately in the Gospels) was that there was no longer any need for all of this. I thought the idea was that he did away with a need for scripture, or institutions, that he could transform hearts and minds without the apparatus of religion, and various scrolls and so on: and that's why the local authorities arranged for him to be discretely gotten rid of.
I thought Jesus was supposed to have said that once you understood the meaning of "love", that this was the law and the prophets, so to speak. I thought he was supposed to usher in a new approach to "religion."
But, not to be offensive-sounding, you guys seem, on the contrary, to be continuing the tradition of the "pharisees" so to speak, if you see what I mean
I think the problem arises is that so many are trying to understand and solve things we weren't meant to. How many times did Jesus say he didn't know the time and hour himself? That it was up to God. Yes he said there would be signs but he also said it would come like a thief in the night. I think it would then be sensible for us to assume that it would be in a time unexpected and totally by surprise, yet here we are debating this trying to say this it, the time is now, repeating the same thing that people have said for centuries again and again.
The fact that so many are so sure that they have interpreted the signs tells me its not time yet. What is shocking is the number of people on this very thread who have said what amounts to This world sucks so I'm just going to wait for the end and my reward. let the rest of them suffer. I left a church not long back because their whole philosophy was why bother we're saved and going to heaven and the end is near so let's just wait for it and watch the sinners get what they deserve. meanwhile millions are still out there in the world working everyday to make things better. Sit there with your religion and sanctimonious attitudes, and wait for the end.
Feeding the starving, helping the poor, these are things that are infinitely more important than "bringing people to Jesus."
I've now quoted this a number of times: Matthew chapter 25 makes it clear that if you even miss "the least of these" of those that are suffering or in misery, you're going to hell; stern words, and just as clear a description of who's going to heaven and who isn't as any passage in the Bible... this is no small issue; it could be crucial for Christians, in fact.
Doing all these things to help the poor and downtrodden is how we should be bringing people to Christs, by displaying our love and faithfulness to his message by carrying out his commands. A lifetime of service to communities and the forgotten of society is a much more powerful sermon then a TV show on TBN.
People forget that the work never ends, the real work begins once you are saved. From that day forward you have promised God to serve and carry out his commands. Not to wait on the end and skate through life now that you've bought a ticket. This was all Sooner was saying, at least that's how i took it.
I completely agree with your first paragraph. Right on. Take it from someone who is also a member of no particular church, nothing turns people off Christianity more than hypocrisy -- and it is hypocritical to pretend to have "Christ in your heart" when your life does not resemble the life of Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels very much; trust me, it sends people fleeing.
I'm not arguing with you. We should be a shining light in a dark place. I hope each is doing their part. We make blankets and distribute clothes to the homeless, feed the hungry and much more. We don't have to look far for those in need. We live in a country that abandons crops to stabalize market value. there is so much at waste. Lets start a revolution.
You have to admit though that a lot of religious people and people who call themselves "born again", and so on, think they are safe now, so to speak, without thinking much about the countless milions who are simply not on our TV screens (much).
But the most adamant atheist knows it is wrong to leave people to suffer when there are things that can be done.
@adsence ... I try to not debate scripture or even interpretation of the teaching of Christ. I try to express love and tolerance in my posts. If my beliefs are true concerning the end time prophesy this makes obvious the cause of the hypocrisy in Christianity. When I am asked if I am a christian I say that that depends on your definition of Christian but I do have a relationship with him.
"You have to admit though that a lot of religious people and people who call themselves "born again", and so on, think they are safe now, so to speak, without thinking much about the countless milions who are simply not on our TV screens (much).
But the most adamant atheist knows it is wrong to leave people to suffer when there are things that can be done."
I couldn't say who is more right or wrong. All I can say is I see your point. What are we going to do about it. I have been very critical in here because I feel I know scripture. But that hasn't produced anything except battles and emotions.
I'm changing that. Why don't you and I motivate people. You have a strong point and seem to care. how can we improve the quality of life for someone. Lets find a specific cause together and see if we can improve it through hubpages.
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