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Where was the outcry!

  1. spiderpam profile image58
    spiderpamposted 7 years ago

    The news we never heard~

    Tragic!
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=81459

    1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
      Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      One book cannot make you kill yourself.  You have to be depressed already to be that affected.

      1. spiderpam profile image58
        spiderpamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You didn't read the entire article. He was bullied for being a Christian.

        1. Friendlyword profile image60
          Friendlywordposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The boy was bullied because of his Christian belief. The book was not a part of the curriculum. Why was it suggested to this one student?
          I fight bullies everyday and this is an example of it.
          He should have been sent to Catholic or some other private school.

          However the father made this statement:
          Here's another thing," he continued. "If my son was a professing homosexual, and a professor challenged him to read [a book called] 'Preventing Homosexuality'… If my son was gay and [the book] made him feel bad, hopeless, and he killed himself, and that came out in the press, there would be an outcry.

          There is such a book. It's called the bible, and people use it to attack me every day.

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            And I believe you !

          2. Uninvited Writer profile image84
            Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            He was 22...obviously able to make his own decisions as to where to go to school

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              thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Christians should only go to Christians schools? Gays should all move to San Francisco and gay schools.

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            thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Oh please!

      2. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Agree!

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          lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          unless he killed himself with the book itself lol

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        Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with maddie on this one. no one takes their lives over a book.

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know if that is entirely true.  You take for instance, that Christians base their lives on the idea that God is real and is going to come back and it gives them hope... he very well could have been depressed but at some point he is given evidence against it, he cannot refute it, he loses faith and figures there isn't anything to live for.

        He ponders why the entire world has lied to him, that would be enough to make me extremely depressed, now he is extremely depressed, he has no reason to live, he cannot talk to anyone about it because he is afraid of what they might say so...

        He goes and shoots himself in the woods because he read a book.  Regardless of what book he read and what order they were read it. 

        Religions are a dangerous thing and it seems that the Koran is enough to make thousands of people happily kill themselves.

        So, the statement that 1 book cannot make you kill yourself is false. 

        It is sad, really sad. sad

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Books don't kill!
          It's your own insecurity, your own mind.

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            sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Your right, books don't kill but 'faith' or lack of 'faith' does.

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            thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That would explain why atheist suicides rate have increased lately
            http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_suicide

            1. Len Cannon profile image89
              Len Cannonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Not because they were bullied by mean ol' Christians?

            2. Presigo profile image60
              Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hopelessness is on the increase everywhere. Its time for people to turn their focus away from them and live a life of love and hope. Pillars of the christian faith

            3. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That only proves what they are: people that don't believe in God

              So what's your point ?
              That suicides are due to  insecureness ?
              That's not news, Is it ?

              Just like this poor kid.
              and it's very sad to bring his misery into debate just to prove atheists are wrong.
              It's a shame !!!

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        R.G. San Ramonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        As the article reported, he was consistently being challenged of his beliefs, perhaps ever since he started debating about them. And the book might have been long...maybe even killing his faith one chapter after another, making him depressed even more. I say the father has the right to complain, if it is true that a teacher challenged the student "in class" to read the book despite it not being included in the curriculum. The teacher should have seen the consequences of his (or her) actions. Even if Jesse is already 22, this is an issue of responsible and ethical teaching practice.

        It's easy to fall into the "He should not have killed himself for just a book...it's just a book" kind of thinking. But we should always look at other people's perspectives. The important thing to note here is that the book is a medium to transmit a message. It has propaganda. It's no different when parents blame the media for their anorexic teen.

        At one point in our lives we find ourselves broken, with a single principle that holds us and glues the pieces together. In Jesse's case, that principle was shattered. He probably tried to look for help, or tried to fix it himself, but to no avail. He lost hope of everything. Maybe he wasn't that strong. Maybe the book was just too strong. Or maybe he didn't find help when help was needed.

        This is not about Christianity and Atheism. Again, this is an issue of responsible and ethical teaching practice.

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Are you Jesse ??
          How do you know ?
          and again. Don't you think Jesse case is painful enough as to go over and over again  making foolish suppositions ?

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            thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            poor tantrum, blind bat!

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            R.G. San Ramonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No. And if you're smart enough you should know the answer.

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The answer is, don't suppose. It's a lack of respect.
              lol You're a joke

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                thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                you're the punchline, now ignore me. wink

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                R.G. San Ramonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Gosh, as if you know what respect means. roll

    2. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And you're trying to prove ....???

    3. Quilligrapher profile image89
      Quilligrapherposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Pam.  I read the entire article and I think I can suggest a reason why it represents “news we never heard.”

      Where was the outcry? Unless I missed something, only one person asserts that a book reading assignment from a college professor is responsible for his son’s suicide.  This is a tragic story but no one seems to really know the reason why this young man took his own life.  Usually in cases of suicide, the deceased leaves a note but there is no mention of a note in this article.  You and I, and the rest of Hubberville, can offer theories until the cows come home and, in the end, we will still not know the cause of his action.

      Your theory, Pam, if I read you correctly, is that he killed himself because he was “bullied” by non-Christians.  That may be a valid theory. We all know that bullies are everywhere.  Yet, it remains an unsupported theory subject to acceptance or rejection by others.  We also know that one of the goals of college is to encourage students to find their own evidence to support their beliefs and not to blindly accept arguments that they have not examined and validated for themselves.  In this environment, it seems natural for a professor to suggest additional reading to one student who challenges the validity of arguments found in the reading assigned to the students as a whole.

      I found two other opinions of Mr. Kilgore to be very interesting.  He is quoted, "This guy was his best friend, and about the only other Christian on campus.”   Is he saying he really believes that his son and his friend were the only two Christians in the student body?  The other point is when “he suggested the moral is for Christians simply to abandon public schools wholly.”  This conclusion seems to be a huge leap to make for someone who begins with the feeling that a book reading assignment from one college professor is responsible for his son’s suicide.

      Thanks for the link to this article, Pam.  It is always interesting to read about things not widely covered in the more popular media.

      Q.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Excellent response.

      2. spiderpam profile image58
        spiderpamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for your insights.

    4. Ohma profile image79
      Ohmaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Outrage at what?
      It is a very sad thing that this young man commited suicide but it most certainly was not the fault of the teacher, the school, the education system or the author of the book.
      He was obviously a very troubled and confused young man. If we are going to blame any of the afore mentioned why not blame the father who obviously painted such a harsh picture of what it meant to be a Christian that the boy, when he had trouble, felt that he could not discuss his concerns with Dad.
      I am not saying that Dad was to blame I am mearly pointing out that the kind of logic employed to get to the conclusion that any of the entities mentioned could or should be held accountable can be used to to plant the seeds of doubt on anyone this boy had contact with.
      At the end of the day only he and God know for certain what happened.

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        well this should settle this whole thing. excellent comment.

    5. mobilephone guide profile image59
      mobilephone guideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      hahahaha this is like cultural hegemony!

    6. Bibowen profile image91
      Bibowenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I had not heard of this. That is very sad. I agree with some that a book could not make a person kill themselves, but that is a straw man. The question is influence, not determinism. For a young man who is dealing with life's issues, is atheism likely to lead to hope or despair? Atheism is not usually associated with being a "hopeful" point of view and I doubt is going to help a younger man as he struggles with life's issues, especially a man that want's a life that's not just free, but meaningful.

    7. Make  Money profile image73
      Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Jesse's father said "I want to hold schools accountable for what they're teaching our kids. This was malpractice,"

      I agree.  It's time to hold them accountable.  Valerie is right when she says this. 

    8. alexandriaruthk profile image50
      alexandriaruthkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My goodness, it is just not the book, dont pass the blame,

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    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    here we go big_smile

  3. Rayalternately profile image60
    Rayalternatelyposted 7 years ago

    least they're leaving Ozzy Osbourne alone this time! roll

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      lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol  lol  lol

  4. spiderpam profile image58
    spiderpamposted 7 years ago

    From the atricle
    "Here's another thing," he continued. "If my son was a professing homosexual, and a professor challenged him to read [a book called] 'Preventing Homosexuality'… If my son was gay and [the book] made him feel bad, hopeless, and he killed himself, and that came out in the press, there would be an outcry.

    "He would have been a victim of a hate crime and the professor would have been forced to undergo sensitivity training, and there may have even been a wrongful death lawsuit.

    "But because he's a Christian, I don't even get a return telephone call," the father told WND.

    That's so true and would have led the charge, Maddie.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This is the core of the matter here. Why don't they get it?

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Because it's not the matter here.
        Religion is not a human condition, it's a farce
        Homosexuality is not.

        1. Valerie F profile image60
          Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Says you. But some people find their reason to live in "farce." If it keeps people good, happy, and alive, don't knock it.

          I wouldn't blame Dawkins' book for this. It's just incidental. It's fairly apparent that the boy was depressed. However, some people find materialist atheism, the idea that this world with its fleeting pleasures and abundant hard knocks is all there is and there is nothing better, nothing perfect, depressing.

          As for teaching practice, if religion has no place in public schools, neither does atheism. The professor had no business promoting his belief or lack thereof over any other.

          1. Presigo profile image60
            Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Absolutley right ! Thank you

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol
              I said millions of times that I don't believe in anything.
              So i can't care less what you think about Atheism and Dawkins.

              And religion is a farce.
              My opinion.
              If you guys don't like it, then don't pay attention to me.

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                R.G. San Ramonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                As if this is not too overrated. You always say, "If you don't like it, then don't read it, or don't pay any attention to it." Talk about lack of harmony with thoughts and actions.

                1. tantrum profile image61
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  And here you come again ! lol
                  Do you want an autograph ? lol lol lol

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                    R.G. San Ramonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No. Aww, someone desperate of having a fan... clap clap.

                    GTG! tongue

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Obviously the young man was depressed.  We are not talking about grade school or high school, but university level learning.  At this point, as an adult, one should have the ability to think for one's self and critically analyze theories and what they mean to your own world outlook.

            This article was written with a certain biased point of view in mind.

            I am a theist, but I don't want to be lumped in with those who would promote such a view of 'Christian' victimization and quote, quote, 'values' instruction.

  5. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    god had nothing to do with it

    1. Rayalternately profile image60
      Rayalternatelyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Does he have an alibi? big_smile

  6. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    whos this he person?

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    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago

    WOW! No respect here!

  8. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    my idea of god doesnt need to take a pee

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      lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But I do big_smile

  9. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    It is very sad this boy committed suicide but to blame it on a book or his professor is ridiculous. The father must be suffering but he is talking nonsense.

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    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago

    Spider, if it gets too disrespectful here have them close this thread.

    1. spiderpam profile image58
      spiderpamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I know they're not even reading the article.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That is not true. Just because you say something is disrespectful does not make it so.

      2. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Really ?
        and you're trying to prove ...??

      3. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That is because everyone knows your sources! lol

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          lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol

      4. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why do you say others don't read the article when the thread is based on a book you would be too scared to ever read.

        Will you read the book or is your faith not strong enough?

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Look out marine. They may have to kill themselves if they discover life is not worth living unless they get to go to heaven. wink

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, it would be asking some too much to do good simply for doing good rather than a mythical favored afterlife for their belief. I think it would be interesting to see how many believers faith are strong enough to read his book without letting the devil in. lol

        2. aguasilver profile image85
          aguasilverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I read Dawkins' God Delusion three years ago, it's a good book, in fact I'm writing a hub around it at the moment and I'm going to offer if from Amazon, I may as well make some cash from it as well as High Priest Dawkins!

          Personally I would make it required reading for every Christian so that they can decide whether they are disciples of Christ or non believers.

          If ALL Christians read it, our churches would be more dynamic because only those who had a Holy Spirit relationship would be there and we could start making an impact again in this sick world.

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Alright, give me an honest answer. How many christians would read the book without fear of letting the devil in?

            1. aguasilver profile image85
              aguasilverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Honest answer.... my guess, and I'm basing it on Europe, would be about 70%, in the States don't really know, I have about 50 buddies on the list I write with, but all of them are mature strong believers so for them 100%.

              In reality God seems to have hidden His 'remnant' amongst all the 33,000 denominations that man has created, and the reason is that when Mark & Cº get stronger, and as the AC starts up, being hidden amongst a whole lot of pew warmers will be a safe way to stay alive when the real persecution starts, so there are a whole heap of people out there who have been going through the motions and singing their hallelujahs, paying their tithes and doing their good deeds, but they still are not actually 'sold out' to Christ.

              Then there are those who are hidden and will stay that way, though it seems we are now near enough to the end for the cry "Come out of her my people" to be shouted from the rooftops.

              I was asked to preach at a church once and had no subject until I got there (I'd been asked a month before) when God said, preach on OSAS, so I did, I preached  a safe preach in a safe church of older people who had been Praising the Lord for longer than I had been out of diapers, and the preach was:

              "I believe in Once Saved Always Saved"

              Relief big time from all the elders....

              "But the emphasis is in the word 'ONCE'..."

              Then I outlined what Christ sets out to be the standard for 'knowing' Him and asked "Do you fit the bill"

              Pandemonium and it took 20 minutes for the mob to die down, the pastor (who was alive) told me it took him two weeks to explain what I meant and to calm things down.

              So you tell me, how many do you think would be shaken out of their beliefs?

              Dawkins is very logical, but then so am I, and I did get to a point about one third through when I was asking God "Why am I reading this?" - and then I found out why and had the antidote to his premises that will set any real believer back on course, or advise a pew warmer how best to make his exit and start enjoying what life he has left before the end.

              My theory, if you are a Christian because you fear Hell, you're probably lost anyway... I changed teams because I saw that God won and it's no fun being with the losers, even if they do get all the glory here on earth.

              Besides which I had gotten a little too deeply involved with the other team and I became aware that I had demons on my back, so I wanted to get free from them NOW, like whilst I'm alive, because they were problematic enough here and now, so I did not want to face any afterlife in their presence.... if you see what I mean!

              Anyhow, there's a hub hers so I'll stop and you can read more if you want to when it's posted!

            2. Valerie F profile image60
              Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I don't really fear "letting the devil in." I do rather have a natural intolerance for groundless accusations that whole groups of people are delusional simply on the basis of having different beliefs. And I'm not masochistic enough to try to slog through a book the author has been gracious enough to say in the very title, "I Think You, Madame Reader, Are Delusional."

    2. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Shouldn't be post in the first place

    3. pylos26 profile image78
      pylos26posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And, just run away and hide.

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

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        lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        again

  11. Len Cannon profile image89
    Len Cannonposted 7 years ago

    A hate crime must be attached to another crime. Challenging a person's belief system is not a crime.  If it was, you would long have been sent to jail.

    Of course, the real gist of it is that if the father is to believed, he committed suicide not because he was bullied but because he lost faith and found himself agreeing with those who challenged him.  It is, indeed, a very difficult thing to have what you believe in shattered.

    If someone is planning to be outspoken in their beliefs in a science course, I think it is only natural that the professor challenge him as he had been challenged.  It sounds, though, like there was more going on for this young man than simply questioning his faith.

    The only real proof in the article is a bereaved father lashing out.  Suicide is senseless.  I lost someone I loved very dearly this past year and dealing with it was often more than I could handle.  I can not really convey the anger a person can feel towards everything and everyone when they feel that someone irreplaceable has been taken far, far too soon. Often times, that anger is directed as much at yourself as it is at others.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wow, So your answer is just don't be Christian. He was picked on constantly he never believed it he was getting good grades, man you didn't it all either.

  12. Len Cannon profile image89
    Len Cannonposted 7 years ago

    That was not my answer at all.

    Here is a quote regarding the deceased's crisis of faith from the article I did not read but you, apparently, did.

    "He mentioned the book he had been reading 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins and how it along with the science classes he had take[n] had eroded his faith. Jesse was always great about defending his beliefs, but somehow, the professors and the book had presented him information that he found to be irrefutable. He had not talked … about it because he was afraid of how you might react. ... and that he knew most of your defenses of Christianity because he himself used them often. Maybe he had used them against his professors and had the ideas shot down.""

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sounds like he killed himself because he could not bear to disappoint his father...

      Part of being at university is being challenged in your beliefs, no matter what they are.

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    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    com on, am I seriously here?  close your eyes Kim, your not really here, close your eyes.   geeez

  14. spiderpam profile image58
    spiderpamposted 7 years ago

    I'd like to say I'm surpried, but I'm not.

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      lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ever think about that?  Sorry your not surprised.

    2. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Of course you aren't !
      You knew perfectly well what the reaction was goung to be.
      Pleassseee ! lol

  15. pylos26 profile image78
    pylos26posted 7 years ago

    Spider...as beautiful and sexy as you are...your'e trying to support heresay in your posts.

  16. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Actually, most people on this thread have been respectful. Yet, you choose to concentrate on the negative...as usual.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Who invited you? lol

  17. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    here near me we had a homicide on thanksgiving day one of the victims was a 6 year old girl it disturbed me greatly that the parents of the slain girl said god took her home. god didn't  shoot anyone . why do the faithful blame god for everything?

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Because it's a scapegoat kind of god.

  18. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    for the record religions do not own my idea of god.

  19. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    no individual people kill people it has nothing to do with faith religion  or books. its the primal instinct to kill . we are mammals. animal.

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We are talking about suicide here.

      His faith was challenged and he killed himself.

  20. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    and where did you hear that atheist suicide is on the rise?  let me guess the onion

  21. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    or steven colbert

  22. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    i sat in front of a mirror for hour with a gun to my head crying my eyes out. i slashed my hand to the bone while saying to someone you want blood here it is. you know what drove these acts? a incoherent rush of emotions  .  no faith no religion no books . just confused fear and hate

    1. Presigo profile image60
      Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      An incredible testimony, I thank you for having the courage to share, I pray that it helps keep the tragedy of suicide into perspective

  23. fatfist profile image86
    fatfistposted 7 years ago

    Either:

    a) God had a "higher" purpose for him, so "He" decided to take him early. So all is well and nobody should be upset at God.

    OR

    b) There is NO God, and the "reality" of the situation hit him so hard, that he couldn't go on any longer. He became a VICTIM from years of religious brainwashing. Just like child rape victims take their lives after years of abuse, when they finally discover what reality is.


    When things go well in a Christian's life, they praise God.
    When things go bad in a Christian's life, they don't blame God.

    1. aguasilver profile image85
      aguasilverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Job 2:10

      .... Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

  24. aware profile image70
    awareposted 7 years ago

    well ty presigo nice to meet you im going to check out your hubs

  25. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    "and it's very sad to bring his misery into debate just to prove atheists are wrong.
    It's a shame !!!"
    ...................well stated tantrum. smile

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      All in name of God!
      Nice !! sad
      Why don't they feel ashamed ?

      God took the conscience from them. My opinion.

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Look whose talking?

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol
          Is the truth hurting that much ?
          You're so transparent, that I feel sorry for you !

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            thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Pity from an atheist! Keep it. Is that even possible? lol

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              i don't pity you at all ! lol
              I was trying to be kind !
              Anyway!
              A waste of time  with you !

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                thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                kindness from an atheist! HA! btw when you had that creepy eye as your avatar I thought your were a man, weird yikes

                1. tantrum profile image61
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I can be whatever you want, honey !

                2. earnestshub profile image87
                  earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Some of the kindest most decent people are atheists, no self dillusions you see! smile

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                    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Coming from you.... Stop insulting tantrum!

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    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago

    Well I guess it's official if a homosexual gets bullied he's a victim(protest, ACLU the works), If a Christian get bullied he had it coming. Way to liberals, So much for tolerance.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And here you go again !!
      What Homosexuality has to do with being a Christian ??

      Homosexuality is a human condition.
      Religion is a farce

      Don't see any things in common as to put them together as an example

      but of course, Whatever !

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        He is a self confessed homophobe. smile

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          thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Christophobe!yikes

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            n. 

               1.

                  Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
               2.

                  Behavior based on such a feeling.

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              thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Christophobe yikes

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nope they're are both choices, That don’t have to be endorsed but should be  respected.

      3. aguasilver profile image85
        aguasilverposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think you would find that in law the USA allows freedom of religion WITHOUT persecution alongside freedom of sexuality, but it's not my country and hey! maybe you guys feel that the American way of freedom, tolerance and fairness is outmoded anyhow in todays 'new age'.

    2. Len Cannon profile image89
      Len Cannonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Good talk, thetruthhurts2009 IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME

    3. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Name one case where the ACLU has protested a gay person being bullied when it did not involve violence.

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Really? you don't know?

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
          Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Name one.

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            thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            google it, They hate Christians!

            1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
              Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You brought it up, name one

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                thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Prop 8

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
                  Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  That had nothing to do with an individual being bullied...

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                    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Christians were bullied, harassed had property destroyed, but hey that's what you call progress. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h02jtMIauIA

  27. 0
    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago

    Hey spider you gone?

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't worry, she will rise again.

  28. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    He ??
    Oh , I thought the truthhurts  was a woman ! yikes

    lol

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Really? I thought she was male for some reason. No information on the profile and every hub is about religion! smilesmile

  29. pylos26 profile image78
    pylos26posted 7 years ago

    Tantrum...you are a pillar to our community here...and cute too.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Kiss kiss. smile

  30. caravalhophoto profile image59
    caravalhophotoposted 7 years ago

    This is just sad...taking of one's life is one of the greatest sin's that can be committed...his father needs to blame someone and unfortunetly it is the book and his son's professor.
    Time will heal and bring understanding of his son's reasons and I'm sure he'll find his son's problems were deeper than he was aware of.

  31. spiderpam profile image58
    spiderpamposted 7 years ago

    I requested this to be closed.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      thanks God ! lol lol lol

    2. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes of course you did! lol

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      Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Good then it can disappear with other threads pushing it down.

  32. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Of course, we can't have debate now can we? Truth won't have to prove his statements.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You proved it for me.

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    actually, the tragedy is that this young man was so afraid of his father that he felt he had to hide this book under his mattress, instead of feeling free to have it in plain sight and even dicsuss it with his father. to even hint that this book is responsible for this tragedy is absurd.

  34. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I don't know why I bother...

    This thread is about a young man who killed himself. His grieving father is blaming it on a book. It is very sad but it is not a case of martyrdom.

    Out of the religious forums for now. I like to think of more positive things around Christmas time.

    1. spiderpam profile image58
      spiderpamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      martyrdom? no one even implied that, It's about bullying, but I guess Christians don't count. Your spin makes my head spin.

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        Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And again I will say it, Christains aren't the only ones who get bulleyd so get off your high horse jeez!

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          thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          This one story that I didn't get hear about. It needed to be told. You don't like it move on!

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            Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            With ppl like you around I will GLADLY move on!

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              thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              C-ya!

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Are you sure you want this closed?

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    how a professor challenging a student to broaden his perspective qualifies as 'bullying' is beyond me. we become open to new philosophies, new experiences, new ideas in college - if his father wanted to keep his son cloistered forever, he should have made him go to a religious college. the son should have felt that he could share anything with his father instead of being ashamed of it so that he hid it under his mattress like a dirty magazine.

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      Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      AMEN COSETTE! smile

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh brother!

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I know, right? It's too bad that his son didn't feel close enough to his father to talk to him about these things sad

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    Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago

    Sure looks like bullying to me.   The teacher used his position and power to attack the boy's Faith,  and whether the "law" holds him responsible or not,  the Law of God will take it into account.   
    Yep; the teacher would've been accused of discrimination if the boy had been homosexual or a Muslim or some other so-called "civil rights" whiner.

  37. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Well, whatever, we don't know the whole story of what happened, just what his father says.

    Universities are there to challenge your beliefs, not let you go merrily along your way without any thought.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      WOW

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It is true. Good professors will not let you get away with anything without having to justify it, regardless of your beliefs...political, religious, etc.

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          thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          YAWN! you're re-uninvited

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I disagree.
      Universities are there to challenge one's mind and knowledge, not to break one's spirit.
      Universities are there to teach "higher learning" which means further knowledge, adult knowledge,  but NOT further stupidity,  and not to indoctrinate or push a liberal agenda on students.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        How do you know if he challenged other's beliefs or not? I expect a university professor to challenge me on everything.

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          thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Because you believe in nothing!

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
            Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Bye...have a Merry Christmas...

      2. ronjer1 profile image61
        ronjer1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        break one's spirit? no such thing. he was a big boy. if he can impregnate, then he don't need daddy or you christians making excuses for him.

    3. Valerie F profile image60
      Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Univesities do not exist to serve as bully pulpits from which professors can foist their personal opinions upon more-or-less captive audiences, particularly if their beliefs are irrelevant to the subjects they teach.

      Atheism is a philosophical stance and has no business in a biology class.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Perhaps, but I would have read it (and indeed understood something about the prof) at that age and mentally filed it appropriately.

        I cannot remember where one viewpoint was taught as 'correct' in university level lectures.

  38. Sanctus Vesania profile image60
    Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago

    If a Christian goes and kills themselves because of a book; then their faith wasn't very strong to begin with.

    1. Valerie F profile image60
      Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's rather judgmental. Consider all the facts. It wasn't just the book. He'd been called out and embarrassed in class for his beliefs- in a class where there's really no reason to be discussing atheism in the first place. And he was a military veteran, so who knew what else had happened that had shaken his faith or made him otherwise feel his life was pointless?

      1. Sanctus Vesania profile image60
        Sanctus Vesaniaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Again, if he killed himself, because of a book, or because people were mocking his beliefs, then his faith wasn't that strong.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        There is always the option to quit the class. Students are paying for it.  What people need to realize is that they are consumers of this education.  Should have complained, quit and taken another class more conducive to learning if this was the case.  I would have done it in a heart beat.

        Yeah, it sounds like the young man should have talked to someone...  Honestly, it reads as if he had been religiously indonctrinated in a very fundamental way and when these beliefs were challenged, didn't have the psychological tools (faith) to combat doubt.

        My case against fundamentalism perhaps, unfortunately, proven.  Something about 'glass houses' somehow fits.

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          thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          WOW, blaming the victim and his family classic!

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well, if that's how you read that, obviously you have reading comprehension problems.

            Stay away from colleges, though.  I hear they are scary.

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              thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yep, I must uneducated, wow. Is there a script you guys read from.

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You are not 'educated' in a way I'd consider educated.  I don't care what actual level you've obtained.

                This is why I wouldn't want to be associated with so-called theists such as yourself.  Sorry.

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                  thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Because I don't think like you. Don't apologize.

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                    Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes.  Because you are looking for victimization and 'liberal' stances and read what I wrote...well, in a BEYOND fundamental way, actually.

                    Try that in any of the post secondary humanities.  Yeah, good luck.

                    And I just find it scary.

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                  sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Wow, thats harsh!

                3. Friendlyword profile image60
                  Friendlywordposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm not sure, but it seems like 17 to 25 is a very stressful time in a young person's life. I think you have to be careful with people this age.  Why did this professor give this one student that book? Something stinks here. If the young man was attacking the Professor with his religious beliefs; he could have just shut the conversation down. Why did he destroy this young man's total belief system? It was bullying. I dont like it no matter who does it. If he wasn't attacking somebody with his religion he should have been able to express his beliefs without being ridiculed or attacked or converted.

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                    Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Most people would agree with you to some extent, Friendly. I may even.  I just found that the article was very slanted.  Who knows what really occurred.

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              cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              big_smile

              1. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                big_smile lol

        2. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Or maybe he had other motives to kill himself, and the father, not coping with his son killing himself is blaming a teacher and a book.
          who knows !

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            cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            right on!

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              SO AGAIN  !
              Why are you all assuming a teacher or a book are guilty ?

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                thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Because picking on the family is in bad taste.

                1. tantrum profile image61
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Blaming a teacher as well.

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                    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Why? He's alive and did wrong, you're not ignoring me tsk tsk

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            thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            tantrum  "Don't you think Jesse case is painful enough as to go over and over again  making foolish suppositions ?"  and you're doing the same thing. What a hyocrite, now ignore me. lol

  39. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    Well, bullying is a powerful tool. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. Hopefully those involved will ask themselves and possibly become more sensitive to others.

      In any scenario, it is a sad event that a young man took his life. His family is devastated, maybe they could be allowed some slack while they come to terms with the loss.

      We might accept this as an oppotunity to personally evaluate how we conduct ourselves in regards to bullying. Is it ok to bully someone for any reason?

       Just mho

    1. h.a.borcich profile image60
      h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this
      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No bullying here.
        No proof of it
        No one kills oneself because someone bullies.
        there's always some inner, deeper explanation to suicide.

        1. Valerie F profile image60
          Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Obviously you have no idea the depressive effect bullying can have on people. Some people when pushed learn to stand up for themselves. Some people become bullies themselves. Some lash out violently in response to bullying. And some people internalize the hurt that is caused by bullying. They start to really believe they'll amount to nothing. And so they react to bullying with self-destructive attitudes and behaviors.

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What a terrible society America has !!!
            I didn't know it was that bad !!

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Don't believe it...there is a bit of 'the victim' thing here being played on.   

              Q. makes most sense.  And he's a theist.  Just not one who needs the slippery slope for whatever reason they do...

              1. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I know Lita.
                I'm trying to make this person see, what a stupid remark He /she made.

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                  Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  She's interesting.  wink  Quite bright and writes well, but does carry a torch for Christianity more than most Catholics I know.  lol

                  1. tantrum profile image61
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Torchs can burn you . LOL

            2. Valerie F profile image60
              Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              This is no indictment on US society, but on the act of bullying itself, which does happen in Canada, too. Get your head out of the sand. Maybe learn some of the psychology of bullying and the effects of verbal abuse.

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    i hear Christians say that a lot...about how colleges are 'forcing their liberal agenda on our innocent children'.

    really?

    how do they do that, i wonder.

    is it a grand conspiracy or something?

    hmm... roll

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Did you not even read the article?

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        yes, I did.

        the book was "suggested" to him by one of his professors. he checked it out from the library.

        the father is saying he essentially threw his son under the bus when he allowed his son into the hands of those "secular fiends".

        why didn't his son tell his father or mother of his anguish instead of his friends? he didn't feel he could talk to his parents, which is horrible.

  41. yoshi97 profile image90
    yoshi97posted 7 years ago

    The book didn't kill the boy ... his own confusion did him in. Nowhere does such a book deliver the message ... 'If you are a Christian then you must kill yourself'.

    The boy should have dropped the class when he realized it conflicted with his beliefs. Instead, he stuck it out and allowed the class to destabilize his beliefs.

    This is no different than someone taking a class on Christian values, reading the Bible, and ending their life because they found themselves to be evil.

    Would we blame the Bible for such a death? Most certainly not!

    There are Christian colleges for a reason ... they exist to allow theist students a chance to receive an education that won't conflict with their beliefs. If a Christian decides to mainstream among the general populous then they need to understand they will be exposed to views that might not be their own, as not everyone in the world is a Christian.

    There are laws against suicide, so even outside the Christian realm suicide is not an acceptable answer. The boy was conflicted inside, and I consider that a tragedy ... but I ask ... how did the father not see the conflict in his son and reach out to remove him from the college?

    It's so easy to blame others for things we don't see ... bu we all must accept some of the blame when we miss the signs like everyone else does.

    If every other person in the class can read the book without killing themselves then the message in the book is not one of glorified suicide.

    Again, I am not trying to lessen what has happened. Suicide is always a tragedy. I'm just saying that we can't fault a book, a video game, or television every time a Christian takes their own life.

    People commit suicide because they become in conflict with who they are and want to end the internal struggle. This metamorphosis can only occur when a person questions what they are and decides they want to be something else that they feel they can never obtain.

    As a person who has lost two friends to suicide, I can tell you this is how it is ...

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      lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yoshi, first, love the photo, second, as always you have such an amazing ability to put things in perspective when they need to be, bravo my friend, your wisdom always inspires me, thanks

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So well said
        Nicely put !
        thanks Yoshi !! smile

  42. Valerie F profile image60
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    Lita, I had the dubious privilege of attending a sociology lecture by a professor who did nothing but mock Christians and brag about the drugs he did in the '60's. I learned very little of sociology from him.

    I also was called mentally ill by a professor because I didn't agree with his view that all homeowners are on a type of government welfare program because they get a tax exemption. I was also told after the class that I had to go along with him or leave his class.

    Grateful to have the option, I opted to take the same class from a different professor.

    Just because you never attended a lecture where one viewpoint was taught as "correct" doesn't mean that professors don't get away with that anywhere else.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I suppose it is possible.  And yes, I received probably a more excellent education than I know.

      However, even in a class where one prof was promoting a certain artistic/intellectual outlook in contemporary literature and assumed 'I didn't understand' (I'm actually finding it hilarious now, as I am more well-published than she is), I had the where-with-all to know she was full of crap even at 21, wink.

      What I'm saying is that the 'world is always with us'...  You've heard most serial killers read Catcher In the Rye.  Does that mean the book is responsible for these individuals' killings?

      I think not. 

      The guy was depressed.  I find the blaming of the outside world (whatever the incidence is...and obviously, YOU didn't kill yourself in your examples) for a suicide is dangerous...a slippery slope argument.

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    B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 7 years ago

    1. as HUBBERS we should treat others with respect and not judge one another on each others religion, personal beliefs, looks, etc...have some love for HUMANITY, Please everyone smile

    2. This does not surprise me, Dejavu! Remember the PMRC going after JUDAS PRIEST and a few other named hard Rock/Metal bands in the 1980's because some kid was high and killed himself while listening to music, and he just happpened to have a Judas Priest tape in the tape deck...
    Books and Music do not "MAKE" someone commit suicide...DEPRESSION, ANGST, and other MENTAL INSTABILITIES and even SOCAL ISSUES drive people to suicide..it is not an artist or author, it is problems the person is having that makes them misjudge themselves and commit suicide..
    Artists do not kill people by ART..same as Guns do not kill people, people kill people..

    people simply neeed to see that the person needed help they did not receive and the end result was tragedy...

  44. Valerie F profile image60
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    Education isn't just a consumer product, either. If you want a career, you need a degree, and in order to get the degree in the field of your choice, you are required to take certain classes.

    Furthermore, with students paying as much as they do for their educations, it is even more important that professors stick to teaching their subjects.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I still maintain that the blame for suicide (or cause...however it should be worded) rests with the individual.

      1. Valerie F profile image60
        Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        True. But blame for not teaching the subject and for bullying students (particularly in a way that is discriminatory) rests with the teacher.

  45. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    Somehow I just think these characters are looking for a fight.  Lita, you had it right on when you pointed out how the "discussions" about religion are more like a cartoon.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are right, SP.  Not very many reasonable voices here. wink

      Thank you.

  46. Singular Investor profile image79
    Singular Investorposted 7 years ago

    A terrible story but what are we supposed to do ? Ban books ? Ban books that are anti-religion ? How many deaths has the Bible been responsible for ? Are we supposed to ban the Bible ? Are we all supposed to pretend to believe in stuff even if we don't just so as not to disturb the true believers ?

    1. Friendlyword profile image60
      Friendlywordposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well...Yea! I think you could try to  understand.  A lot of people grab on to religion as a lifeline. Some people are very troubled and looking for something to believe in out of desperation. Sometime, you just have to be kind, and listen. There a difference between these kind of religious people and the fire breathers.

      1. tksensei profile image60
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The atheists are like that too.

        1. h.a.borcich profile image60
          h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I have noticed there are so many varied members with unique views. Although I am very interested in participation, I have no intentions of trading in my beliefs or of imposing mine on anyone. Just a respectful curiosity and getting to know fellow hubbers.
            Thank you for the advices, Holly smile

        2. tksensei profile image60
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But the atheists have a singular ability to avoid seeing how they are exactly like everything they (in their great secular superiority) mock and dismiss. And some of those who like to tell themselves they are of the 'progressive' and 'tolerant' type are the most militant and unforgiving in their blatant, hateful bigotry. Kinda sad really.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Think of the poor boy instead of pushing your agenda. Sad? Yes - very. It is not important that atheists are superior right now.

            1. tksensei profile image60
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this
              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I know - but this is not the best time. Think of the poor boy instead of starting another fight.

              2. Make  Money profile image73
                Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hitler said something similar.

                1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Well done make money. Quoting me in snippets out of context. Oh yes - lying is OK for Jesus. I forgot. Sorry.

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                    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this



                    I think the point Mike was making is about being to extreme.

                    He often brings up Communist Russia (extreme atheism) as well as Christian dictators (Hitler) as well as Muslim extremist (so many there I cannot put just one name down).

                    Strong faith or strong lack of it is like a loaded weapon.

          2. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Name some names tk! smile

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Can't be me - I was agreeing with the spider woman. Poor kid - he killed himself when he found out there is no god. What sort of a belief system is that? sad

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              cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              big_smile

              lol @ "great secular superiority" lol

          3. tksensei profile image60
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sad, and ultimately self-destructive.

  47. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    I did not try to state if there was or wasn't.

      All I am saying is that people need to recognize a bully and make a choice to tolerate it or stop it.
     
      Is it ok to bully anyone for any reason?

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Bully will always happen. everywhere.
      I'm not concerned about and never was. It's of no importance.
      Childish thing, nobody should pay attention to it.

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this
        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Luckily I'm not American and we don't have that kind of problems in our schools.
          As it seems all those problems are due to the bad education you get in your education agenda, and what parents teach their children at home.
          Bad examples creates bad habits.
          Not my problem.Your country is not mine.

          Nobody bullies in Argentina for beliefs or sexual orientation.
          Bullies here are childish stuff and parents and teachers fix this issues without problem.

  48. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    If bullying contributes to someone wounded enough to commit suicide, I think as a society we need to ask if we do it, or tolerate it or stop it.

    That is not a compassionate response?

  49. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    In my opinion, bullying is repeatedly taunting and teasing mercilessly a target to the point they are completely distraught.

      The kids in your country don't bully because the grown ups are a good example?

      Kids everywhere need to be taught not to bully.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We are a very open society. Even gay marriage is legal.
      and nobody makes fun of believers, as believers here are not so fanatical as in USA, it seems

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        cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm coming for a visit, tantrum! wink

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Whenever you want !. You're always welcome ! smile

  50. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Well you didn't make American society look good. MHO
    lol

    1. Valerie F profile image60
      Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Lesson number one in bullying. Ad hominem attacks are a good start. Mocking someone for her beliefs, calling her remarks "stupid," and mocking her nationality all can count as bullying behavior.

      You're Canadian, and therefore proof that Canadians aren't as tolerant as you say.

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        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol
        I'm from Argentina.
        and as I stated earlier we don't have that kind of  bullying problems there

        And I'm not mocking your nationality.You are making a poor description of it

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          thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yep you're a bully alright.
          http://exonous.typepad.com/myblog/bully.jpg

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