If you believe a lie for a given period of time and then find out the truth about it and realize you believed a lie all along and all the while called it "your truth"...
then how do you know that what you now call "your truth" is in fact not another lie with a different suit on?
Does "your truth" contain any lies?
After all...you use to believe something that you called "your truth" and found out that part of it was a lie.
So, does "your truth" and the truth line up?
Also, does truth originate with you? If not, why do you call it "your truth" ??? Do you own it? Did you create it?
Or did you find it? If you find what you think to be the truth and then find out it is a lie...how can you then trust yourself afterwards that you now have found the truth...because you have already proven yourself to be a liar...probably many times over.
All this issues only happen to people who believe in a God. I don't question my truths, as they're changing all the time. People that grow mentally and spiritually have different truths as long as they keep growing. And by spiritually , I don't mean believers in God. One can be 'spritual' in many ways that don't imply believing in a God.
Really ? At 20 you can think something is the truth. and then at 40 you changed it. Because your experience tells you ,you were wrong. And so on.If you think a truth is unamovable,you haven't grown up. The Truth doesn't exist. All the Truths are relative. And they work for each individual accordingly.
When you are 20, 40, 60 or 80...real truth was always there, it did not change, you changed your mind because you realized you believed a lie at an earlier age.
You cannot change the truth, you are the one who changes your mind, the truth does not move, it is stationary and remains as such until you find it...we are the ones who move towards it or away from it.
Truth is not relative...Truth changes not...people change.
There is truth, and there is Truth - the Absolute. The Absolute is unchangeable and is only found when all the untruths of the mind are discerned, deciphered and deconstructed, which is why the truth (lower t) is ever changing until the Absolute is reached. Which is found within oneself - call that the God within if you like.
Just that...it is real, always real, always truth, no lie in it at all, truth is not subjective, truth does not originate with people, truth stands alone and can be sought out by someone with a desire to find truth.
So again, the real truth is real and not mine or yours as no human owns the truth, nor did it originate with them.
Truth is not invisible at all...unless you are in the dark about it....but that's just it, the truth is in the light and we are over here in the dark...but the truth is still visible if we get out of the dark.
If you have something actually in your hand, then you try to believe that it is not there? That is going against your own nature, because you know for a fact there is something in your hand, yet you are trying to force yourself to believe something that isn't true. You can't do it.
If you have NOTHING in hand and you want to make yourself believe their is something in your hand....then you again go against your own nature. You can't do it.
It's human nature to strive for truth. We want truth in knowledge, everything that happens - we want answers, which become factual truths, on a universal level.
Yeah, I'd like the answer to that one also! It's so vague to talk universal truths. It's the same as saying God performed a miracle today and I've honey in my porridge. Please don't do The Secret or Bible versus or I'm out of here.
In some spiritual teachings, the Truth would be equated to being in your center, ie void of external influence - the senses being part of those external influences. The influence of peers, parents, teachers, church etc., would be external influences. Could also call it verbal clutter that clouds your own mind of it's sense of self. Doesn't mean you don't learn from others, but you discern what works for you and what doesn't. But the standpoint is always your own self. Never an external thing, force, or whatever.
It's still not easy to be in the world and not be a part of it. To become void of external influence takes allot of work. Unless I'm doing it wrong! So far my reaction to the world is much less than it was 5 years ago. My level of interaction in the world has changed dramatically and is more assertive than passive which is what I prefer and is in line with my truth as I see it.
It's very difficult to even conceive of an illusion. But you can certainly go through phases in life where external influences are ziltch. And they are phases not permanent states.
You define truth as something that always needs an explanation. It's different to knowing all the answers, as in abc knowledge. I don't know all there is to know about cattle, is that to say I don't know truth. Not the same context of truth. If you want to talk right and wrong in the context of the law or to pass an exam, that's not the same. My truth is that I don't have all the answers to the questions a child would ask. I also don't have all the answers to the questions of a chemistry student. That's my truth. And it's inside me.
the psychology stance on this is that when a conflict in a belief (or 'your truth') it has a fundamental affect on the psyche. The mind, sort of, goes into overdrive. People suffer mixed feelings.. depression, anger,disbelief etc. The person is literally breaking down. Once broken to the base, then the repair can start. People go through a period of reasoning until they have found a 'new truth' that they can reason with.
Well - judging from the amount of religionists who attack science and scientists for bringing new knowledge to light which proves the lies in the bible are lies - it appears that most people who are ignorant enough to think they have the Truth - merely defend it aggressively in tha face of actual facts.
Me - I am prepared to be flexible in what I consider to be the truth as I am aware that my perception of this changes over time. I do not have an absolute truth. And certainly am not arrogant and ignorant enough to claim to have the Truth.
It's not about lying at all - it's about choosing to grow and change in light of new information and accepting the consequences of that choice. Challenging beliefs can be painful and difficult, yet it is a healthy and mature way to approach life because beliefs are not set in stone - I believe in keeping an open mind to new information that needs to be assessed, sorted, processed, disguarded, kept. It's an ongoing process. Anyone who challenges their beliefs knows this.
There's never a point where you think you know it all or that you can claimn truth for everyone! It's a very personal journey.
Now to try to answer your question. If you had a belief, and that belief was changed... there must be a reason why...and a very good reason. Could the new belief be false? I guess so. But most people need a lot to believe so strongly, whether it be the first "truth" or the second.
"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)
I hope you are the one with the complete truth out of the 300 odd interpretations...
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Otherwise according to your god... straight to hell for you!
If The Artist Formerly Known as God offers it in this forum, it is truth. It may not appear to be truth if you limit yourself to logical interpretation, but if you just shut that annoying little brain off for awhile, you will realize that all he says is true. It will never turn out to be a lie, except when it does, which doesn't count cause he's The Artist Formerly Known as God.
If you suspect that what you believe may be a lie, you must investigate and learn the facts. Only fools assume
"If you find what you think to be the truth and then find out it is a lie...how can you then trust yourself afterwards that you now have found the truth...because you have already proven yourself to be a liar...probably many times over. " No fact, no truth. Problem solved!
What would I do? I'd follow my truth at the time, which would be to tell the German NO because of both self preservation and the preservation of the people I was protecting. That would be my truth. In the eyes of the German's I'd be lying if they knew the truth of the situation. But within my own conscience I have followed what I see as my truth.
I do it out of integrity which is my truth as I see it regardless of the consequences. But I'd not be able to do this unless I had it within me. If someone else told me to go and defend another for their own gains or their truth, I'd not do it unless I had just cause or was honoring my own truth in the process.
How about its late 19th century, nobody likes you or your people and your local leader tells you there is some vacant land but you know it is full of Arabs whom call it home, do you join the mob, pillage and rape, then take it as your own or do you speak the truth?
"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that.” ~Homer Simpson
I think "truth" as you define it does not exist. Every person has a unique point of view based on age, culture, personal experience... endless list. A belief is a fundamental part of any person's self identity. "Truth" can't possibly be universal, it is too personal.
Truth can only ever be applied personally until such time as the person takes a universal standpoint. Truth is only ever found within yourself. Even if someone was to say "this is the truth" (be that universal or whatever) it means naught to the person you are speaking to unless they themselves feel it is their truth. Wasted words really to force one to believe in another's truth.
The truth never changes but our perceptions of what that truth is constantly changes. If you have never felt like you were smarter or wiser than you were five years earlier then you are probably mentally stagnant. When that happens we really BELIEVE that we are as smart as we think that we are. And if that is what you are thinking then you need to think about that some more.... Think about that.
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