Jesus- a conscious sentient human being.
Mohammad- an unconscious, nature driven human being.
Well. That sums it up nicely, I think. I agree fully.
There really is no comparison between the two, even in purely human terms.
I see you forgot to take your meds again marine.
Why are you insulting the Christian and Muslim prophets?
Humans on this planet have a lot of respect for both these masters , your question is ridiculous.
Yes it is. They create the illusion of peace to the believers by separating them from non believers. Non believers disrupt the peace of the one belief.
No, that is not correct. You don't have to support either religion, but that is not correct. You don't have to be scared of religion because it involves community. That is the point of most religions. Your family is not "an illusion of peace" because it is distinct from other families and because if pressed you would defend it.
I admit, many good things come out of some religions in the charity aspect of helping people. I may be religious if they were simply about good and helping people without trying to govern the conscience and telling non believers they are the devil. Another spot I think religion is flawed, I like to do good things for the simple pleasure of making others and myself feel good, I don't do good things in expection of a favored afterlife.
I think religion creates the illusion of finding yourself when it does everything possible to corrupt and get rid of individuals.
I respect all religions and anyone calling you a devil because you don't believe in god is a nut case, ignore such threats .
Religion are teachings of great master who want to free you rather than enslave you, finding god is freedom.
I still believe in an individual possibility of a creator or creators and can see why many religious make believers or theist turn atheist. I think a lot of religious try to make you hate them for not sharing their group belief.
I was an atheist and I agree with what you say about some fanatics, but then they are fanatics who really don't know god.
If they did know god they would see god in you as well and would not threaten you over you beliefs.
I don't think it should matter what someone believes about a God or not on their moral character. A non religious individual could have morals far exceeding a religious individual in the aspect of doing good. As far as a God or creator requiring people to believe in him or threatening sending them to hell, this is no logical belief, this is belief through fear and emotion. I don't think people have to find an idea of God or a creator, I think they have be humble, recognize their faults and find their individual self and belief.
Once god comes into your life you see god in all, all becomes you so when you harm someone you know you are harming yourself.I was a good person as an atheist but become a much better person after enlightenment.Its not that one has to believe in god to be a good person and do good deeds.
We are in hell and we will just keep coming back here as long as we desire. In this dimension no one is spared from pain and sickness but with god its just pure bliss.
Cannot remember who said these words but I love them.
"I was searching for god and I found myself,I was searching for myself and I found god. "
"govern the conscience and telling non believers they are the devil."
The word 'conscience ' translates 'con' (with) 'science'(knowledge)and in a Christians case the knowledge is the bible and teachings of Christ, so it's not so much that the religion governs the conscience, more that the Christian governs their conscience in accordance with the teaching of their God.
As for telling non believers they are the devil, again it is accepted fact (for Christians)that there are two forces at work in the world, and that each individual is under the authority of one or the other.
Where the confusion arises is in instances, such as this post, where the unbeliever (as defined by Christianity) assumes that this means we believers consider non believers to be actual devils, that's not true, we simply understand that if there are only two forces to be under the authority of, and someone declines to be under one of them, they must be under the authority of the other.
As most people believe they control their own lives, it is not surprising that they cannot understand nor condone any concept that sets them under the control of any other entity.
They reject God, but equally reject the devil.
Which is fine, but that being the case, why be concerned about what Christian states, for if the non believers premise is correct, they have nothing to be concerned about, for if neither God nor the devil exists, what's the problem?
Finally Christians do not lose their individuality, indeed I see far greater variety amongst believers than I do in many other groups, what Christians choose to do is submit their will to the will of God, which means that they no longer worship the individual, they recognise that their self willed individuality was actually suppressing who they really are in spiritual terms.
The problem you need to work out is with YOU and not with religion.
No, that is the illusion. They create peace on the inside by getting rid of individuals and separating the believers. If there were individuals in the religion, there wouldn't be peace. This is proven on the forums.
Peace is unity, not separatism through a favored group belief.
It's a belief system to choose to not believe. The system consists of a bunch of nutters that what to ruin religion and restrict it to a closet activity.
C'mon boy don't play this game with me. This is the exact reason why I have only sarcasm to offer to these discussions.
You can't answer my question? Do you consider everyone atheist for not believing the bible?
If someone classifies others, into a category for which they don't belong, then it is the fault of those people who classified them to begin with.
NOT every person who doesn't believe in religion is an atheist, because, Atheism itself is a classified as a religion to begin with.
So, non-believers are simply that- non-believers of religion. There is no real category or label that applies to everyone outside of religion.
Thanks, I wish "sneak" could comprehend that.
I understand it completely. I'm just trying to throw cold water on the antagonists.
No, I don't think you do understand it. I think all you see is left and right. That's why you can't see straight.
So you admit you only see left and right without looking straight. I'm glad you are humble enough to admit this. I'm sorry that you are arrogant in thinking it's right.
No, if you want to know how I see something ask me a ligitimate non-leading question. I'll gladly explain my position but if you want to play with me, well, I just don't go both ways.
I didn't say go both ways, I said go straight.
I am giving you an honest perspective, I have seen you make liberal hate remarks in questions that have nothing to do with politics. Without you saying, it is obvious you are a strong Christian Conservative. I think you are obsessive compulsive with this left right politics thing as much if not more as me with logic and faith. Am I wrong?
Well yes and no. I know why you would draw that conclusion and when it comes to religion you would be right. I am right of center but not nearly as radical as I let on.
So, when you act radical by making hateful comments about liberal ideaolgy, which I don't agree with as any other grouped belief, how is that any different from me acting radical to draw out emotional comments and disagreements?
It's not a whole lot different except it's Christianity that seems to take the hit. No sane person intentionally tries to screw-up and the Chistians I know do nothing but try to help. I also know alot of Christians really wouldn't hurt a fly. Alot might even consider you and those like you as investigators so they really poor it on to try and save you. It's sad to see that and lites my fire. It's like watching the high school bullies all over again.
I say what I think will get to those who want to impose their will on others. Hopefully to deflect their attacks and tackle me instead. I'm not that totally against gay rights, I think abortion should remain a viable medical procedure, I want a hands off position for churches and their traditions. I'm for conservation based on good science, I am totaly against one world government, I will always support our troops and when we ask them to protect us we let them fight. I believe in capitalism but I do believe you can't let people and money do whatever. There has to be strong oversight and workers must be protected. I don't care how much money someone makes but they have to bring workers up with them. Healthcare for working Americans and a sound border control policy.
Do you think if more people thought for themselves, they would need you to take up for them? Is it thinking for yourself if you are only thinking for others?
I'm not going to get into politics with you on all those things you just mentioned. It would take about 20 pages to go over everything you listed. I don't think conservatives or liberals are right, I think both sides get caught up in the attack on each other. I think both sides operate on faith without logic. I think logic is in the middle.
Not believing in any thing other than their own miserable existence. No, only those who think there the god of their world.
And, you see no contradiction in your claim?
Religion has been ruling our world for centuries and look at the mess its made of it. Religion has had its reign, and now its well past its prime. Time for other solutions.
Your cereal is talking to you again. Try oatmeal.
Why do you troll? If this forum was moderated, you'd have been banned ages ago. The content of your posts does little more than bait and antagonize, something bully children usually do.
If you actually have something to contribute, please do. But, if all you're going to provide is peurile comment, don't bother responding.
Why do you say the crap you say? Don't blurt out stupid stuff, try and make sense and I'll gladiy show you the respect you want.
I understand it would appear like "stupid crap" to you, however that's simply a result of your ignorance to the world around you and your blind faith to the invisible and undetectable.
If I was 10, I would still have more understanding of the world around me in my pinky than an army of your ilk.
And again, your response is nothing but bait and antagonize.
Truce to both of you, (Q) he meant no harm and he wasn't trolling he was simply trying to calm the storm. No reason to argue can you both agree to get along?
As I mentioned before, you're not here to discuss anything, so it would be only "feeding the trolls" if I were to continue responding to you.
You should take some time out and rethink your position here and learn how to discuss rather than troll.
Yes the idea is to unite humanity and not separate.
The mythical character known as Jesus never claimed to talk with angels, if that warrants mention.
It would appear that Muhammad was more interested in military conquest and power while Jesus was just a hippie.
sounds like a pretty good match...jesus is said to have been a lazy bastard and mohammad was a frickin mule driver.
That is a tough one. Let's see.
Mo had to climb a latter that fell out of heaven so that he could climb up.
Jesus was taken up by a cloud...
Mo for sure! He might still be climbing.
they are both great and have followers, but I am a christian, but I respect Mohammed too,
does it mean Christ is also ridiculous? more you said?
If you want my sincere opinion, yes, I think both are ridiculous. I respect you believing whatever makes you happy.
but can you be like me, respecting others opinion too, like not posting things like this,
I think if people were more logical in belief, they wouldn't get so offended. If we were all politically correct, we wouldn't know the meaning of politically incorrect.
you are not correct and you are not correct, I am correct in my opinion, as you are too, respect is all
what do you think is ridiculous about them? It's hard to answer when you are not specific.
i think this is geting a bit ridiculous. Is your beef even with the prophets? In my eyes anyway, both jesus and mohammed were trying to preach tolerance. Unfortunately, their words have been appropriated by the church and more often than not, but not always, these words are effectively silenced.
lol Ridiculous? Whats ridiculous is that people are still tricked by religion.
I get that much but that has nothing to do with Jesus or Mo
Yes, the beliefs are based on them. Maybe not based, but they are the main characters.
I disagree. I can only speak for myself though. I get the point you are trying to make but I think you are generalising. Anyway, I don't care too much, if you bait a few nuts, all the good
neither are ridiculous. but as far as in a fight .i was there when jesus whipped mohs ass
no for real me and jesus pants-ed moh in high school in front of all the virgins it was cold out and well you know. lol they laughed and laughed. moh got pissed and took a swing but jesus was quick and came back with a right jab
I can see you're still filled with witless remarks as per usual. Always interjecting subjective garbage into a thread you've got no clue about.
Sounds about right. And, yes the picture is me and no I don't have a ponytail, if you must know.
You asked me earlier about what I believed.Did you read it? What was your take?
Apparently, you are talking about a different thread, than this forum. I just reviewed this thread and I don't see anywhere- me asking you anything? - at all.
What is wrong with believing something by faith By Mark Knowles.Gettin snotty?
Getting snotty? No. You didn't mention it was on another thread, other than this one. So, when I checked to see if I asked you something, double checking is always good, I noticed that I didn't ask you anything.
Those are the facts and the truth of the matter. Snotty? is subjective perceptions projected onto another. Hence, your view about my words.
And, to answer your question....No I didn't see your answer to any question I asked on another thread, because often I don't go back to certain threads, once I've said my peace. Then again, there are times where I do get aggressive from time to time.
It would be nice if you would provide a link to it?
My apology again.I had it in my mind that you and I conversed on that forum. It was Mark Knowles.Egg in my face.
I just live my life as I see fit,Bothering no one.Do my own thinking,make my own decisions.Have never had assistance from anyone in my life .Don`t ever depend on others for anything.I just happen to believe there is a god because of the times I`ve faced death,with guns, knives,airplane crashes,car wrecks,fisticuffs,assorted life threatening illnesses.Somebody came through for me.Plus just too much going on to not have somebody in charge.Random does not equal order. But,I have no religion.
The above is the statement you directed me to. If you believe in God, even after everything that happened to you, and you are giving him the credit for you living......What about your will to live? Doesn't that count for something?
Just a thought.
Did you read the post?
Because, had you actually READ the post, then you would have known...I DID NOT say that....the person I was responding to said it.
Get your facts straight before you open your mouth. I only repeated what HE said in another thread. He was the one who said it....in the post....my response is at the bottom.
Had you been following along or even read the previous posts, then you would have known that. So, enjoy.
I'll take wit-less but how are you going to get over your sense-less comments that you normally blurt out. I have to disagree about my knowledge of the subject of this thread but, considering your usual cracks about religion and the religious you should question your own knowledge.( if you need help with those questions just ask:)) You're missing a great opportunity you have a ponytail face.
As usual a typical liberal "run and hide". I can't wait for you to cry foul and turn me in'
Everytime I debate one of your kind I get a three day break. I have no idea why but it's happened three times. Secondly you told me the reason for the hubs was to read them and I did until a number of your kind disallowed my comments even going as far as to say they wished I didn't make any comments so I don't. When you and your cronies get comfortable with who you are and can discuss an issue intelligently I'll be glad to join in. As long as my comments are going to be viewed with contempt, the only thing I have to offer is sarcasm.
It's a ridiculous question intending to incite hatred. Considering who asked it I know it was meant with evil intent.
So true.The soldier keeps fighting and blames god for wars.
well cag i gota tell yah my knees hurt 2000 years is a long time
Well, that's me out. See you all on another thread
Both 'Jesus - may peace be upon him' and 'Mohammad - may peace be upon him' are the prophets (messengers) of God. 'Jesus - may peace be upon him' came prior to 'Mohammad - may peace be upon him'. both prophets have been sent to guide the humanity towards the right track.
'We should thank the one (god) who has created us', this is the general awareness which both the prophets has spread in the world. Most of their teachings and beliefs are now backed by the advanced science.
Well, if we compare both the holy prophets, 'Jesus - may peace be upon him' and all the other messengers of god that came before him had come for that particular age, trend and people. 'Mohammad - may peace be upon him' is the final messenger of god. The holy book of Islam - 'Qoran' has a foolproof solution for every problem related to all the spheres of the modern global society and humanity. The coming of 'Mohammad - may peace be upon him' is also mentioned in the 'bible' as well as the 'Vedas'(the most ancient holy book for Hinduism).
There is nothing more absurd than hatred. And nothing more dangerous than stirring it up.
I agree with the hatred comments, this question is not the way to go about things but I also find it fitting which hubbers have made the objections. I will have my reality without the spoonful of hypocrisy, thanks.
You are all playing games, none of you believe in God it's all about Adsense, impressions and clicks. Come on save us all the crap and declare you true Gods: € £ $ <<< The three in one.
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Religions are primarily geographic in nature, so you can take your pick based on the region you would refer.
He asked you what "particular religion". Your answer is complete nonsense and thats why I say what I say.
No, you say what you do because you wish to bait and antagonize those who don't agree with your fantasies.
C'mon let me give you a hug. I love you anyway.
You spoke of the mess religion has gotten us into.The only substantial conflicts currently appear to be in the Muslim community which is quite different from Christianity.Are you just heaping all religion in the same pot.I`m not defending one over the other but Christianity is the main religion of America. I don`t see any great conflicts concerning Christianity here or abroad.
I think Mo has the strength and speed but Jesus has the reach and can take a hell of a lot of punishment before going down.
IMHO this is an idiotic topic that has turned into nothing more than trollbait (predictably).
Marine, I don't need Sneako to stick up for me. And even if I did benefit from someone else jumping to my defense, don't flatter yourself into thinking that it must be because you've got such a stronger mind. Rather, I find your stubborn proclamation that religious people are generally weak-minded or "tricked" and your series of both emotionally inflammatory and intellectually insipid threads very tiring.
Sometimes I simply have better things to do than defend myself on a forum.
Those were a lot of cool words. I humble myself to you.
I think you should explain where my belief is so flawed and I would also like you to explain why you don't get as emotional when defending your faith resorting to name calling like some other believers.
Oops, you did call me stubborn. Maybe you are upset.
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