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Something from nothing?

  1. kess profile image59
    kessposted 7 years ago

    Can something come from nothing...
    If so will that prove God exist?

    1. Rod Marsden profile image86
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Something can't come from nothing. It is an impossibility. A time when there was nothing is not logical and is beyond man's understanding. I can't say that there ever was a time but if there was it is up to the individual to decide if that proved anything. Some would argue that creation proves there was and is a creator.


      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

           I intend to be happy tomorrow but tomorrow does not exist except by faith.  Therefore my happyness in tomorrow does not exist either... but through faith I think that I can claim it.  I hope;;;;  I think ... Maybe...   if not boo ho

        1. Rod Marsden profile image86
          Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          To quote Descartes: I think therefore I am.


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      lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      huh? roll

    3. pay2cEM profile image92
      pay2cEMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      According to scientists, yes it can. For over a decade now, they've been amazed to discover and observe matter forming out of the apparent vacuum "nothingness" of space.

    4. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Your first assumption is that Humankind came from nothing.
      Which would be a lie. We know we came from something. What's not answered is where or how?

      Your question "If so will that prove God exists?" - No! Because, as I said before.

      Why do you assume that Humankind came from nothing?
      Do you not understand science?

      Just a thought. big_smile

    5. seyiari profile image57
      seyiariposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      something can come from nothing. God Himself formed the world from nothing. we were made to understand that the world was void when God created the world. another part in the bible says God formed those things that were not as if they were. if God can do that you can also do because you are God. Psa 82:6  I said, Ye are gods, And all of you sons of the Most High.

      1. mohitmisra profile image60
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Great some one else who understands Jesus words about man being god, thank you Seyiari. smile Kess and you are god send smile

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Usually, when it is claimed that "something came from nothing" it is a claim made that assumes there was nothing. With the creation of the universe, we assume there was "nothing" before the Big Bang simply because whatever may or may not have been there before is meaningless to how it affects us now. The universe affects us, not what happened before it came into existence.

      But, it is also a question that scientists would like to know as it may help to understand how the universe came into existence and whether or not our current theories have any relevance to it.

      So, most likely, there was something before the universe existed, but it is a something we would find very hard to fathom as we relate everything we know to our known universe.

      1. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Whatever that "something" is, it has to be boundless, hence it is eternal.

    7. Eng.M profile image74
      Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      well

      currently in our world , the answer is NO

      nevertheless, this could have happened one time at the beginning of life.

      I mean getting something from nothing is not the case but it might used to be.

    8. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      In my belief, God is what came from nothing. God created all else... (maybe created is the wrong word)...
      I believe God is everything and nothing, those are the two sides to the coin of God.
      I believe nothing existed and at some point everything existed. the only thing that can exist with nothing else (an opposite) is nothing.
      (by everything I don't mean everything we have now, the original everything may have merely been a microbe...)

      'before the beginning' there was only Nothing and nothing is the only absolute concept that can exist without an opposite.

      Using numbers:
      nothing is in the negative... everything is in the positve... 0 is the middle ground.
      If we started with -100 0 +100 representing existence today...
      the begining would be represented as 0.
      Technically, if there is only Nothing, then Nothing=Everything, hence God is the Alpha and the Omega,... that which simply is...I am Who am... wink
      {Which is another reason why I think a simple circle is a better symbol for the representative symbol of God.}

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile
        (maybe that is where the 'Halos' originated?)

    9. Valerie F profile image60
      Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Not necessarily. If something can't come from nothing, God's still a "something."

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        In my belief, God is what came from nothing. God created all else... (maybe created is the wrong word)...
        I believe God is everything and nothing, those are the two sides to the coin of God.
        I believe nothing existed and at some point everything existed. the only thing that can exist with nothing else (an opposite) is nothing.
        (by everything I don't mean everything we have now, the original everything may have merely been a microbe...)

        'before the beginning' there was only Nothing and nothing is the only absolute concept that can exist without an opposite.

        Using numbers:
        nothing is in the negative... everything is in the positve... 0 is the middle ground.
        If we started with -100 0 +100 representing existence today...
        the begining would be represented as 0.
        Technically, if there is only Nothing, then Nothing=Everything, hence God is the Alpha and the Omega,... that which simply is...I am Who am... 
        {Which is another reason why I think a simple circle is a better symbol for the representative symbol of God.}

  2. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Which is the last number ?

    1. kess profile image59
      kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There is on last number, is that another proof of God.

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I was being ironic
        Nothing is a proof of God. Prove me something ! lol

        1. Presigo profile image60
          Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Tantrum, are you being nice today ??!!!

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No, I don't think so ! big_smile
            Hi Pres ! lol

            1. Presigo profile image60
              Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hey Tantrum, had to say hi !! Enjoy your debate and be nice !! lol

              1. tantrum profile image59
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                It depends on who's the other hubber big_smile
                I would make an exception for you ! lol

                1. Presigo profile image60
                  Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Thats my girl, you are so good to me !! I will let you be and back to your "discussion" just had to say hi !!! Write me sometime, bye

                  1. tantrum profile image59
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Bye. I might, sometime ! big_smile

        2. kess profile image59
          kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Then we can safely conclude knowing God is not about proof or lack thereof but Believing?

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            OBVIOUSLY
            You need a lot of faith to believe in something unreal.

            1. kess profile image59
              kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Fair and square conclusion,
              Faith determines one's perception of God.

              For the proof is in the faith.

              1. tantrum profile image59
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                there's no proof in Faith
                Faith is not Logic

                1. kess profile image59
                  kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Those without faith cannot know nor judge it.

            2. Eng.M profile image74
              Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              like your faith of unreal thinking of unreal God. big_smile

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          Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That is the proof. Nothing is still something

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            And, you obviously like running in circles? lol lol lol

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              Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              "Are you ignorant or just apathetic?", asked the Idiom.
              "I don't know and I don't care", replied the Alchemist.

              1. Cagsil profile image59
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                An obvious, you still haven't a clue. Okay, I get it. You don't want to get a clue. No problem. Remain as you are. roll lol lol lol

  3. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    From a finite point of view, the universe is eternal.

    1. kess profile image59
      kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How does that relate to the question

      1. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It is the universe, not God, that is eternal.  There is no proof that god created the universe.  The only thing we can see is the evidence of the universe.  From our finite perspective, the universe is eternal.

        1. kess profile image59
          kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Then one may conclude that the universe is God if they so choose ?
          And did the universe have a begining ?
          I am thinking big bang like.

          1. getitrite profile image80
            getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Something and nothing, beginning and end are all finite perceptions. We can assign God to it, but we still don't know what the reality of the universe is.  Concluding that the universe is God is only whimsical in my opinion.

            1. kess profile image59
              kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I beg to differ based on popular opinion.
              God is not finite, and most consider him to be incomprehensible.

              Therefore your description of the universe is attributed to God also.

            2. mohitmisra profile image60
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Its not whimsical at all , one can see a superior intelligence all around this universe.The precision with which planets rotate and revolve to begin with,the animal kingdom, plants everything has intelligence and man is not the creator , something else is .

              Many great scientists talk about this superior intelligence and they are not whimsical either..

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                B52 Bomberposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Did you create everything since you`re a god?

                1. mohitmisra profile image60
                  mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  One needs to understand the two "I's" involved let me give you example with Hinduism and Christianity.

                  Hinduism- Om Namo Shiva - I bow to Shiva( god)

                  and Shiv Ho Hum - I am Shiva ( God)

                  Christianity- Jesus- "I am the Light- I am god"

                  "I am the son of god , me and my father are one".Jesus


                  Are you a part of this universe?
                  Cut a piece of cake into a million pieces , does each piece change or is each piece still cake? Sorry not a great example but it difficult to give one.

          2. fatfist profile image84
            fatfistposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            If the universe had a beginning, then there was a 'before the beginning'. So if there was a 'before', then the universe was already there. Hence a beginning is a contradictory notion.

            It works the same with the Big Bang. If the BB expansion of the fabric of space is true, then there is a demarcation edge to the expansion. Since there is an edge, there is something after that demarcation. Can I put my arm through it? Can I drill through it? Why not? Is the wall too thick or too hard? So we have a contradiction with the BB creation too.

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I think that demarcation and the explanation are made well by Lawrence Kraus. smile

              1. fatfist profile image84
                fatfistposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                What is his explanation?

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  'before the beginning' there was only Nothing and nothing is the only absolute concept that can exist without an opposite.

                  Using numbers:
                  nothing is in the negative... everything is in the positve... 0 is the middle ground.
                  If we started with -100 0 +100 representing existence today...
                  the begining would be represented as 0.
                  Technically, if there is only Nothing, then Nothing=Everything, hence God is the Alpha and the Omega,... that which simply is...I am Who am... wink

          3. Eng.M profile image74
            Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            depends on how you define God .

        2. Eng.M profile image74
          Eng.Mposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          in my view

          for something to be eternal , it must be powerful enough .

          that depends on the definition I regard here as power .

          universe is just a collection of many interacting elements .
          so are you saying these elements are etenal by themselves?

          best regards

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            Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Try this then:

            a qua or presently defined quanta/quantum is defined as the smallest measurable unit of energy (though i can prove otherwise).
            Even so, that would make the qua the greatest unit of power.
            So then both the finite and infinite are respectfully identical, in that both are the greatest power of eternal, since energy never ends.

          2. getitrite profile image80
            getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            There are some things that finite science cannot determine, yet.  Even logic breaks down into absurdity when attempting to explain infinity.

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    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago

    0+0=0 math, logical, true

    0+0=1 pseudoscientific nonsense, dumb

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Binaries are used in computers.
      Tell Bill Gates ! lol

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thats the point tantrum! lol
        How bout dos 3.1 ? lol

    2. kess profile image59
      kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Where is that pseudoscientific nonsense?

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        thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The Law of Causality

  5. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    I have to go eat and gnash my teeth now, but I'll be back shortly.

  6. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    somethin from nuthin leaves nothin.  Multiply nuthin by two and ya got somthin???

  7. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    spam reported

  8. bojanglesk8 profile image59
    bojanglesk8posted 7 years ago

    We may never know...

  9. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    I find it interesting that people continue to look at the Universe and see it as the beginning? This misconception is known throughout history and it should not be the case.

    People continue to look at the Universe, as something that is an effect from some other cause. When in fact, the Universe is the CAUSE and the Effects of it is Life.

    The Universe exists. Since, it exists, so does Life on Earth.
    The Earth evolved to sustain Human existence.
    Humans evolved to think for themselves, so as to guide themselves.

    There is not a subject that we came from nothing. We came from Earth originally. Myself- I came from two consenting adults who had intercourse, with the idea of having a child.

    People say, Humans are not gods. God created Life and Humans cannot obtain that goal. In fact- Every human being on the planet has the power to create life. Everyone!

    Just a thought.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago

    Cag, you talkin' to me? ;P

  11. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    roll lol lol

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    Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago

    Dare I ask- What's on your mind, sunshine?

  13. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    if there was always something there is no creation; no beginning.  Why must there be a beginning?

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Because if there is no begining, then NOW is the begining.

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        no, now is now.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          then begining?

          1. Bovine Currency profile image60
            Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            no beginning.  no need. now is now and before now was now.  now is now and it is still now, get it.

            and now.  still now.  later on it will be now. the in was now at some other time before now.

            1. tantrum profile image59
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Pure logic.
              Absolute Abstract

              1. Bovine Currency profile image60
                Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You get me.  I like that.

            2. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              memories?

              1. tantrum profile image59
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Memories are reminders of different 'nows'

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  there can't be different nows if there is 'only now' ...all your doing is calling 'the begining' ='different nows' the concept now is either singular and all inclusive, or there is something else (a begining and an ending)

                  1. tantrum profile image59
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    there has been lots of different 'nows' through the ages.
                    Past, and Future doesn't exist. Use your Abstract Intelligence.

              2. Bovine Currency profile image60
                Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                so let me get this straight, now nothing = everything ?

                Maybe you should land this ship for a maintenance check?

  14. weblog profile image60
    weblogposted 7 years ago

    Something from nothing... Religions?!

  15. dingdong profile image61
    dingdongposted 7 years ago

    Nothing is not negative, it's zero!

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No zero is the middle, when using positive and negative numbers.

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No

        1. Bovine Currency profile image60
          Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Zero is nothing, Now is Now.

      2. dingdong profile image61
        dingdongposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I see, I think next you'll say -1, -2 etc. are nothing#1, nothing #2 and so on respectively lol

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          nothing minus 2 is equal to negative 2. (If you have zero dollars in the bank and borrow two dollars from me you then have 2 dollars less than zero in the bank because before you get back to zero you have to give me back my two dollars.)

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
            Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            If you keep borrowing money without paying it back... the negative balance in your bank account keeps getting larger... borrow 22 dollars =-22 in the bank.

          2. dingdong profile image61
            dingdongposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Exactly, 0 - 2 = -2

            zero = nothing smile

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No debt is something, something negative
              zero is not having debt or money to spend(middle ground)
              money in the bank is positive.

    2. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      big_smile

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    The Big Bang theory has been proven true to the satisfaction of most scientists. That was the beginning of time and space. Matter wasn't being hurled out into space - there was no space. Space and time were initiated at that moment and space expanded with the embryonic universe.
    Where's it all end? The cold universe theory holds that it keeps expanding till all stars burn out and then just sits there forever...inert and unobserved. A new twist to that holds that maybe as small black holes are gobbled up by larger ones (this has been verified as an ongoing phenomena) there will be a gradual progression to one giant black hole which will then implode on itself. What then? Another big bang? Nothing? Judgment day? If Hawking doesn't know then I'm afraid I don't either.

    I wish a physicist, astronomer or cosmologist would weigh in. Anyway, just a few tidbits.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think Black Holes are 'holes'. I think they are large deposits of an element I call the 'Gravity Element' (and my comments about the rest of it I think are on this thread already)

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And I think we are confusing two seperate beginings;  I think God's birth (for lack of a better phrase) is the transformation from there being only nothing, to there being also something/everything... Later God created, possibly using the 'Big Bang' and evolution, what humanity commonly calls creation.

    2. fatfist profile image84
      fatfistposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      (The Big Bang theory has been proven true)
      No it hasn't. Science never proves anything as every theory is falsifiable.

      (space expanded with the embryonic universe)
      You are implicitly saying that space is a physical object as it can be expanded, has shape, and is irrevocably contoured by 'something'. How can a 0-D singularity with no size, explode into a universe?

      Homework:
      a) Draw space so we can see how it physically looks like.
      b) What is the 'stuff' that is on the outside of space and contours it?

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        There is no homework to do on what you've stated. The answers are there, look for them and you'll find them. Thank you. smile

      2. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this
        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol

        2. fatfist profile image84
          fatfistposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Krauss said: "Forget Jesus! The stars died so YOU could be here today!"
          That explains a lot smile

          1. mohitmisra profile image60
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I am in awe of this theory.What caculations lasting for so long is required , the human mind is too limited to comrehend this.

            There is simple organsim then some star dies and the fragmnets reach this planet get together and create a more evolved species.This goes on and on till we as humans come into the picture.
            Whatever the force behind all this is supremely intelligent and alive.

            1. fatfist profile image84
              fatfistposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Oh I agree with you up until the intelligent part. If I were God, I certainly wouldn't reuse all the WASTE and leftover crap material of the stars in universe to make my pure beings.
              I would use the flesh and blood of Jesus to do it. There would be no leftover star crap in my beings.

              But of course, that would be me...I'll let God speak for what "He" did. Oh I know, maybe God is an environmentalist - reuse, reduce, recycle.

              1. mohitmisra profile image60
                mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Do you feel reused? The flesh and blood of all, god encompasses this entire universe.
                "The Light that shines beyond the stars,
                Is the same in my heart.

                I know my essence is god and feel and think differently.This cosmos is fully alive and intelligent a supreme intelligence man can connnect with as that is his essence.

  17. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    zero dollars is a lack of dollars.  -ve $2 is owing two dollars.

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

  18. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    Perhaps this example is not particularly helping your creation theory?

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I love you more when you giggle smile

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          don't love me too much. It brings insomnia ! big_smile

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      and why would you say that?1) the existence of only nothing...
      2) the 'birth of God (that instant when there was not 'only' nothing, there was also something/everything(God).)
      3) God 'creates' what humanity commonly calls the universe, the human reality.
      4) the end of God
      5)

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        God ends when the last human mind cease to exist.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          possibly

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            FACT

            1. Bovine Currency profile image60
              Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              God is like a box of chocolates.  If you put the lid back on he could be in the fridge forever.  He is real but only if you open the box, there he is, nice and pink on the inside like a strawberry.  Then one day you eat him and he goes for a swim, back into the big ocean and rising into the clouds, then he does a big wee wee on you.  Its all so natural everythingness-nothingness in a hot kind of sexual oodie laddi whoopdi do clap your hands kind of way?  Don't you think like, yeah whatever?

              1. tantrum profile image59
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Everything is 'real' when you open the box. I'd rather have real things in the open. I never liked 'boxes'

                1. Bovine Currency profile image60
                  Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I like boxes.  I like chocolatey pink bits too smile

              2. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                God is a word people invented to represent a concept. The concept the word represents is that of the supreme being (If there is a lowest form of life... then there has to be a highest). Humanity has named that form of life, God.
                What is God, we don't know.

                1. Bovine Currency profile image60
                  Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No worries.  Sorted smile

                  We dont know, we includes you?

                  So you don't know, you said it, we accept it.

                  Me, I do know but you wouldn't understand.

                  Nice doin business

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Thank You for Playing... wink

                2. Cagsil profile image59
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  And since we know that Humans and Humanity could be wrong. That leaves Humans as the HIGHEST Life form we know and everything else is less. smile

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Possibly...

                3. Mark Knowles profile image61
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  So when you write those hubs you write where you say you do know and he is coming back, you are just lying then?

                  You know he made us and you know he is coming back. lol

                  The Baker?
                  Remember - 100% total lack of evidence may not be absolute proof - but it is a good indication.

                  Why do you need to do that?

                  Still - what is the lowest form of life? I presume you know this?

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    A good indication... Prove that God does not exist. Since you can't that is a pretty good indication God exists?

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    Twenty One Daysposted 7 years ago

    something is nothing.
    0 is 1
    nothing is something
    1 is 0

    example:

    a meson and gluon intersect. out of seemingly nothing comes a neutrino.
    something from nothing.


    welcome to the universe!

  20. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    milk and two, thanks smile

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      again Thank You for Playing.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Is thank you for playing long hand for P*** off? lol

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol

        2. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It seems he thinks he owns the thread lol

          Nothing interesting  in his posts anyway ! lol

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            True. He keeps going back in to this lower/higher life loop.
            Could be a short circuit or a crook relay. lol

            1. tantrum profile image59
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol
              short circuits !

  21. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    lol lol

  22. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    I think he's in the playground ! He found it at last ! big_smile

  23. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago

    Mark Knowles: "Still - what is the lowest form of life? I presume you know this? "

    Mikel: "The more I think about this the more I suspect it may be God as well...
    Everything being the highest positive
    Nothing being the lowest positive(non-negative), but still something(this use of the word nothing will confuse ding dong sad )
    ('God' by definition being something )
    do you follow?

    {negative numbers being the 'other side' of the God coin}"

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No - I am not following.

      You are just assuming a god and making up nonsense to justify it. You are the one that is stating that there MUST be a higher form of life and you KNOW it is not anything we are aware of.

      And the reason you keep stating is that if there is a lowest form there must be a highest.

      I do not see or understand "lowest" or "highest" forms of life.

      And neither do you apparently. wink

  24. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    By the way bacteria has been around a helluva lot longer than a belief in invisible boogymen. smile

    1. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      big_smile

      No question. I am not seeing this "lowest" form of life crap as anything other than yet another way of saying, "There must be a god because I cannot imagine there not being a god, therefore there is one."

      Oh......... And I know He is coming back. lol

  25. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    Ah geez. 

    If only my outside the house life were this entertaining big_smile

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nothing much happening in your neighborhood ? hmm

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I am still waiting for this stupid background check, when I start this new job I will have some excitement.  Otherwise it is just a bit blah for now.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well then, you have come to the right place bc! smile

  26. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    big_smile

  27. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    Indeedy-do

    Well off topic from ahh something-nothingness, I will be working in childrens services trying to help young indigenous kids in my home town.  Like all community services, the stats for success are never flash but it is a good project.  A very good foot in the door too seeing how it is government.

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      good for you ! I'm sure you'll be good at it ! smile

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sure!

        smile  I will be working close with police also.  If I keep myself out of trouble, nose clean, I might even get a foot in with the police department.

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Keep yourself out of trouble, then !

          1. Bovine Currency profile image60
            Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I have got this far in life without a record so it would be a shame to waste all my street knowledge on finding my way to prison.

  28. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    BC that is a cool thing to do. I know the stats are bad, but each good person in the mix helps. smile
    More power to you! smile

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      cool

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks you two smile

        @earnest, you are an aussie, yes?  You know much about perth?

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          A little yes, my twin sister has lived there for a long time. smile I am in Melbourne. smile

          1. Bovine Currency profile image60
            Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I have some family in Melbourne.  And NSW.

            Perth has got a fairly bad inner city problem with underage indigenous at the moment, that is what I will be doing.

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I had heard. I commend you for doing this, those kids need a hand. smile

              1. Bovine Currency profile image60
                Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks smile

  29. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Sure thing !

  30. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    Why must there be a lowest and highest?

    And where do you get the 50/50 chance?

    I am not interested in your religion, I am interested in how you come to these conclusions.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      again Thank You for Playing cool

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh how very bold of you

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          He didn't find the playground !
          Oh well ! lol

          1. Bovine Currency profile image60
            Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            hmm

    2. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL
      Here is the maths:

      2 options:

      1. A god exists
      2. A god does not exist

      50/50 - so far.

      1. Infinite numbers of possible gods

      Therefor there is infinitely more chances that god does not exist than he (christian god - option number 2,999,887,928,668,464,776,377,487,990,465) has it right.

      Out of a book. lol

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Horses and water

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile and if infinity is the top end... then half of infinity belongs to the 50 percent that is on the there is a God side. big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile

  31. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    horse

    ----

    pride

    ----

    water

  32. IntimatEvolution profile image83
    IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago

    Bovine, I didn't recognize you behind that new, scary looking avatar.

    1. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is creepy huh!?

  33. shazwellyn profile image83
    shazwellynposted 7 years ago

    OMG... Academics have been debating this since aristotle!  Give it a rest and just learn to love.  That is the secret.  Love x

  34. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    jesus said you will find me under a rock

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Jesus has been claimed to say a lot of things. lol

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I know all about jesus.  We smoked crack together in Nam.

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm sure. roll lol

          1. Bovine Currency profile image60
            Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You know its true.  I can see it in your rolling eyes!

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Oh, okay. smile

              1. 0
                lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol

                1. Bovine Currency profile image60
                  Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  So ingratiating to my less than firm dance with reality cum deluded god like image of self big_smile

    2. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      like snakes
      I wonder if....

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Insert creepy sound effects

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol

  35. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Here is the second episode of Discovery which has Lawrence Kraus explaining his theories. I posted the first episode some time back, but will find it if requested. smile


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0 … ce_Krauss/

  36. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    In the immortal words of Jim Carrey, Ace Venture..."Well, alrighty....then! lol

  37. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    In the words of the late Hunter S. Thompson, coming back to the thread...

    "History is hard to know, because of all the hired bullshit, but even without being sure of 'history' it seems entirely reasonable to think that every now and then the energy of a whole generation comes to a head in a long fine flash, for reasons that nobody really understands at the timeā€”and which never explain, in retrospect, what actually happened . . ."

  38. 0
    Smooth as Silkposted 7 years ago

    Of course I know Jesus, I think he still owes me $12!

    1. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Charge him interest!

    2. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      2000 years of interest? lol

      1. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Army of mongeese debt collectors?

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          roll lol

  39. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Stardust! smile

    1. mohitmisra profile image60
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      :
      Amazing, we are all made of stars wink
      And an  eco  system within.smile

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        and the scale of particles and galaxies and universes.
        Any wonder man went in to space. I have been really enjoying Professor Kraus's "Explorer" series on the BBC, he is so good at offering theory that can be understood by ordinary folk. smile

 
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