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Mikel's Opinion, if you want it.

  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Ask away...

    1. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

         OK here is one for ya.  As is written in the bible;
        IF the words that an apostle says seems to be a direct contradict with the words that Jesus is said to have spoken; What should we do?

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Realize that gossip changes with repetition, I say yellow today, 300 years later it gets written down that I said orange.

        The early times of the 'Bible' were mouth to mouth. The Bibles were penned in Rome Italy 300 years after the death of Christ. The people that penned them were flawed Human Beings. The people in the Bibles are to us cavemen, as are those that penned them. We have evolved to a greater understanding than the one they had. We see a clearer view of the universe, of God, of each other and of Linguistics. We have to re-exam how we look at the Bibles, and not treat them as absolute. If we treated medical books like we treat the Bibles, where would we be?

        1. Jerami profile image79
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

             Knowing that the flaws exist...  when a direct contradiction occurs between the words said to be spoken by Christ and those of a disciple; which statement deserves more credence.?

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You want an everytime answer to a specific question. There aren't any. You have to make a unique decision (that may be the same) for each situation. Based on the problem, based on all new facts, based on why you think it is a contradiction, If it is a contradiction. You have to examine the linguistics of who said it, who wrote, what era was it written in...

            1. Jerami profile image79
              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                 There is a simple answer.  If you are following Christ then you will follow those things that is written that he said.
                  If another says that Jesus was wrong? Who do you believe?

              1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                If You and Christ are standing in the same room as me. You say the sky is pink, Christ says it is blue. I would look up and see what color I thought the sky was.
                If you said this is the way some unprovable thing is, and Christ said the opposite. I would believe whoever I thought had the better reasoning. I would be influenced by expertise in the field discussed, of both you and Christ. I would then form my own Opinion.

                If you and I were standing alone in this same room, and Christ's words were being represented by a 2000 year old document, written by people that had a caveman's level of understanding, 300 years after the event, based on accounts from people that only knew of it through gossip, I would believe whoever I thought had the better reasoning. I would be influenced by expertise in the field discussed, of both you and Christ. I would then form my own Opinion.

                1. Jerami profile image79
                  Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Thank you for your answer. It told me everything I needed to know.

          2. SparklingJewel profile image67
            SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            ...and, who do you believe...?

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
              Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              read the thread, I answered that.

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hey Mikel, don't mean to butt in or interject, but I think Sparlingjewels was asking Jerami? Who did HE believe? You or Other?

                The only reason I say anything is because she responded to his post, asking him the question and wasn't asking in general. I hope that made sense.

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Gotcha...thanks for the clarification.

        2. getitrite profile image81
          getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Why would God choose to use this crappy mode of communication if he wants us to really believe this baloney.  This makes God look silly.

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            When two toddlers are communicating (in baby talk) do you really think their parents have a choice as to the professional form of communication the toddlers use? The parents correct the toddlers as they can, in a manner they(the toddlers) can understand, when they are capable of understanding the corrections. So does God. The mode of communication that humanity had at that time was what was used. I'm sure that if they had the technology we have today, it would have been used.

            1. getitrite profile image81
              getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              But wouldn't it be simpler if God just appeared today and talked directly to us in our advanced forms of communication, instead of having us get this important knowledge from primitive sheep herders.  That creates an unnecessary barrier, and is not very indicative of a supreme being.

              1. Jerami profile image79
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                   He is not going to interfear with the 42 prophetic months that was given to the beast.

              2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Do you think we've progressed that far? We may not be cavemen anymore, but I bet to God we are. Just because to us it is the most advanced, doesn't make us on a level with God. I believe we may be as old as kindergardens now...maybe not even that far...Remember 2000 years ago they (the writers of the Bibles) were the epitomy of modern civilization. The best and smartest, God inspired... 2000 years from now people will look back at us and think "What a bunch or primitive bull crap they thought back then, they didn't even know how to telepathically send picture images to each other..."

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Not that you are trying to convert anyone or push your beliefs or anything. wink

                  Just another one with all the answers. And God has a personality and you know what "level " he is on. lol

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    God by definition is the uppermost, topend, best of the best...whatever that is...
                    Everything I write is absolutely, Unequivocolly my opinion... and I believe that I am correct in my opinion.

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Then, by your own logic, they were most likely wrong about everything they thought and believed, yet you still think and believe as they did.



          Dead.

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Most likely wrong about everything...NO... most likely expressing the truth in the very best 'primitive' way they knew of...Yes... the confusion today, we have new meanings applied to the words they used. What they visualized a word to mean isn't what we visualize it to mean.

            Believing in God, because of my own logic, not because of theirs. My conclusions to my logic and feelings are my own. That they are simular to those of the cavemen in the Bibles, simply reinforces my own belief. I accept the 'truths' that I can, on my own, and I reject the things that we have learned in the last 2000 years to be untrue.
            Just because some of the things I believe to be true are also agreed to in the bible, doesn't mean that I have come to my belief based on 'because it says so in the Bible'.
            I keep this in mind always:

            Humanities view and opinion of God will Always be possibly flawed, until the day comes when we can look at, touch and communicate with God at God's level. Many, many, many moons from today.

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              (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Their is no logic in believing in the invisible and undetectable.



              Of course they are, but not to the extent you believe.



              They are similar because the bible is where you learned them.



              No, you were indoctrinated into a cult. Anyone can see that.



              But, you do and you did. Again, anyone can see that.



              Ah yes, it's always the people in the future and people in the past that get to experience god first hand, while the present populace must endure the viciousness of and cruelty of the invisible and undetectable.

              1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Mikel G Roberts wrote:
                Believing in God, because of my own logic, not because of theirs.

                Q: Their is no logic in believing in the invisible and undetectable.
                (My logic takes me to where the proof ends, my faith takes it from there. Therefore logic is involved even if it isn't the only tool I use to get there.)



                My conclusions to my logic and feelings are my own.

                Q: Of course they are, but not to the extent you believe.
                (and to what extent do I believe?)



                That they are simular to those of the cavemen in the Bibles, simply reinforces my own belief.

                Q: They are similar because the bible is where you learned them.
                (I didn't have any involvement with any religion at all until after I was 13 years old. I didn't read any bible until after I was a grown man. Most of my conclusions were already my beliefs before I ever read a bible.)



                I accept the 'truths' that I can, on my own, accept, and I reject the things that we have learned in the 2000 years to be untrue.

                Q: No, you were indoctrinated into a cult. Anyone can see that.

                (the atheists cry of PROOF, "anyone can see that." the religionists cry of PROOF "anyone can see that"... I am not a member of any church or religious group, I was baptized in the catholic faith when I was 13, I soon discovered that the Catholic church wasn't about God but about money, control and power. Though physically forced to attend 'services' mentally and emotionally I was not present.) 



                Just because some of the things I believe to be true are also agreed to in the bible, doesn't mean that I have come to my belief based on 'because it says so in the Bible'.

                Q: But, you do and you did. Again, anyone can see that.

                (again the heralding cry of the Atheists and Religionists, "anyone can see that..." the phrase "anyone can see that" proves nothing, proof on your part is required to change MY beliefs.)



                Humanities view and opinion of God will Always be possibly flawed, until the day comes when we can look at, touch and communicate with God at God's level. Mnay many many moons from today.

                Q: Ah yes, it's always the people in the future and people in the past that get to experience god first hand, while the present populace must endure the viciousness of and cruelty of the invisible and undetectable.

                (I thought you didn't believe God existed? Yet you blame an entity that doesn't exist for the wrongs in the world?)

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                  (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Uh fyi, logic is a system of reasoning, not a system of propping up baseless assertions.



                  To the extent of where exactly your beliefs originated. You appear to believe they sprung into your head and were then confirmed by the bible, correct me if I'm wrong here?

                  Isn't that placing the cart before the horse?



                  Unless you were living in a cave that entire 13 years of your life, you must have come in contact with many stories and versions of scriptures as most of our society is pervaded with them, how could you possibly not have had any involvement with religions?



                  I find that very difficult to swallow. Most likely, you heard a great many stories about religions when you were a child.




                  Then, I shall retract that statement. You are correct.



                  What religion isn't about money, control and power?



                  Such as what?



                  Retracted.



                  That is a fallacy. My reference to your god in these posts does not confirm or deny any beliefs on my part.

                  I could just as easily, for your convenience and dissuasion from using similar fallacies in the future, replace the word god with "that which has not been demonstrated to exist but is claimed to possess a great number of extraordinary characteristics including omnipotence, omniscience and the ability to perform physical law violating feats of magic and acts of unfathomable cruelty and destruction to anyone who doesn't worship and obey, and even some who do"

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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                Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Mankind has and always will suffer in the past, the present due to himself.
                When someone comes along to help people to "see" God, no one is interested.
                God has never come down and walked around among man. Except the way he still does, inside of people.

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                  (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yet, we see more suffering as a result of religions than we do with the individual and the human condition.



                  When helping one to "see" things, one must actually show things.



                  So, we wonder where theists come up with the concept of gods when none are to be seen.

                  The invisible and non-existent appear to be very much the same thing.

                  1. TMMason profile image74
                    TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Actually the history of the 20th century disputes that thoroughly. Add the number of dead under, Stalin, Moa, Lennin, Pol Pot, etc. History has proven without a doubt. that man without a god kills far more and quicker than with a god..

                    History speaks the truth against that lie.

                    Godless atheism has killed more than any religion, tally the #s if you don't believe it. But stop propagating false facts.

                    Of course liberals cannot help but defend and heroicize dictators, communnists, socalists, and anything not Christian and not American.

                    It is just their motus operandi.

                  2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this
    2. DogSiDaed profile image62
      DogSiDaedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What objectively is the best flavour of crisp?

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What's a crisp?

        1. DogSiDaed profile image62
          DogSiDaedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It's a potato snack, maybe called potato chips over the pond?

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I like bar-B-Q fritos, pringles, doritos...

    3. Google Gal profile image60
      Google Galposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      if your god and jesus are the real thing , then how come there are like a whole bunch of different religions and bibles?

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The inability of humanity to comprehend 'all' of what God is. We each understand a very small part and then claim that very small part to be the whole. Each groups small part/piece may be correct, but our inability to join the other small pieces together in a greater whole causes us to make the assumption that the other concept therefore has to be incorrect.
        Politics and people using religions to assert control over people is another problem.

  2. Mark Knowles profile image60
    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago

    I see you have only 5 hubs - that are all about your ridiculous beliefs.

    Your profile page is all about your ridiculous beliefs.

    I have only seen you on the irrational beliefs forum picking fights about your ridiculous beliefs.

    Why do you feel the need to justify your beliefs - even though you know it will cause conflicts?

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Is this the ask Mark Knowles opinion, if you want it, forum...
      I'm not trying to convert you or anyone to my beliefs Mark, I'm just stating my beliefs.
      The Fact that the hub about my beliefs is full of my beliefs is confusing to you because?
      I'm not trying to 'Justify' my beliefs, I'm simply 'stating' my beliefs, and answering why I believe what I believe when asked.
      Conflicts are what my life is all about. I always was a fighter.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I do not believe I stated anything other than my observations of you as a lead up to the question I asked.

        I never said you were trying to convert anyone. I asked why you need to justify them - which you do not seem to understand you are doing. OK

        Thanks for playing. wink

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this
    2. starme77 profile image86
      starme77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Some peopele like conflicts , kida gets em off I guess

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        Star Witnessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And Starme (hi, nice to meet another star), your question--  Is that a red heart helium balloon in the car next to you?  What is the story behind that, anyway?

  3. Arthur Fontes profile image90
    Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago

    Coke or Pepsi?

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Mt. Dew please.

  4. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    Are we playing journalist interviewing new  Star ?
    lol

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know, are you?

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol
        I pass !

  5. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I got one. Are you still beating your wife? smile

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lol, she was always the one beating me.

  6. Bovine Currency profile image61
    Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago

    Will gay people be let into heaven?  If so, under what conditions?

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      so we're awake ! big_smile lol

      1. Bovine Currency profile image61
        Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol  barely!!

        its half 5 now!!!

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I will leave a message for you ! lol

      2. Bovine Currency profile image61
        Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        chat me on fb.

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know.
      I don't know that 'heaven' exists. I don't know what conditions may be revelent to admission to the place I don't know exists.

      I Believe God created gay people, I believe God loves gay people. I believe humanity OVERrates the evilness/importance of human sexuality. I don't think wether a human has anal sex or not is on the top ten list of God's intrests.

      1. Bovine Currency profile image61
        Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nice reply

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          TY

      2. Wendi M profile image82
        Wendi Mposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I like your answer to that question!

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thank You.

    3. AnythingArtzy profile image81
      AnythingArtzyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Read John 3:16 in King James.

      For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten so that WHOSOEVER calleth on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.



      You must be saved in order to get to heaven and salvation is open to anyone who chooses Jesus over the world.

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Those Cavemen were nothing if not elloquent. (as if everyone in the United States hasn't been exposed to the 'Bibles'.)

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        correction (if i may). salvation has come to everyone. man has now the choice -as always- to accept that saving or reject it. It is no longer a question of having to be. It is a decision of wanting to be. smile

  7. blondepoet profile image80
    blondepoetposted 6 years ago

    Dear Mike,
    Could you possibly give me some advice? I accidentally stood on my friend's blow up doll (sorry in all respect her name is Norma Jean) with the heel of my stilhetto. It was dark and at first I thought it must have been a snake as I heard a distinct sssssssssss noise.
    However when I flicked my lighter on after getting around the child lock feature on it(an hour later), I realised it was indeed Norma. She is going down fast and her skin is quite akin to the texture of a prune.

    What should I do? Should I perhaps visit the local bike shop and purchase a puncture kit and do a quick repair?
    Should I confess to my friend?
    I am in a complete dither....
    Your Faithfully but confused,
    Blondepoet.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You should forget all that, come over to my boat (with the stillettos on) so I can console you over the loss of norma.  lmao

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Are you sure you aren't the blow up doll?

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh no Deborah, as you will learn, our BP is no blow up doll! A sharp mind, a keen intellect, a great entertaining writer who just happens to be hot as well! smile

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm glad I invited her to the boat then...

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          Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh..I was just going by the Avatar.
          Thanks, I will check out Blondepoets hubs

      2. DogSiDaed profile image62
        DogSiDaedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Are you sure you aren't a *Insert Insult Here*

  8. moanalisa profile image60
    moanalisaposted 6 years ago

    Back on topic here, asking Mikel, can you offer further advice to me to improve my hubs?

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I wish I could, I'm not a professional writer. I'm not even a college graduate. There are some very smart people here that could possibly give you pointers. Good Luck, I hope all goes well.

  9. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    What in hell have the religionists done with the OT? I never hear from it. smile

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know.

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    cosetteposted 6 years ago

    what kind of stocks should i consider in the coming year: penny stocks, CDN, FOREX, etc.?

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Stocks, aren't those them there thingies they used in the olden days to punish bad people, and allow good people to 'have there way with them'?

  11. moanalisa profile image60
    moanalisaposted 6 years ago

    Ok, the way this thread is going, it's clearly enough to discourage any new writer. It seems many are too interested in self-aggrandizement and self- entitlement to remember they were once new people, too.

    I was hoping this would be helpful, but many want to merely increase ratings by posting nonsense.

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      cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      the OP said:





      and people are doing just that - asking his opinion. saying people are posting in this thread to "merely increase ratings" or "posting nonsense" is a bit much, don'tcha think?

    2. Bovine Currency profile image61
      Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Try viewing hubs.  You are making a bright observation.  There are many just posting nonsense, for sure.  You may include me in that group, I'm not sure.  You will find your way smile

    3. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You may be right, I don't know, I'm here to post what I've what I've posted. I'm not here for ratings or ego stroking. I'm a new writer myself, if you want to consider me that. Which I don't. I'm just a guy stating his opinion.

    4. Susana S profile image93
      Susana Sposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You'll find a great deal of that here in the religion & beliefs forum - just a bunch of useless crap, but entertainment nonetheless!

  12. wrenfrost56 profile image83
    wrenfrost56posted 6 years ago

    I read the other day that Mary was born of immaculate conception, is this correct?

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have no Idea, that is the first time I have even heard that.

      1. wrenfrost56 profile image83
        wrenfrost56posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh well thanks anyway. smile

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Your Welcome, sorry I couldn't help.

  13. moanalisa profile image60
    moanalisaposted 6 years ago

    Yes, kindergarten mode seems the best description of the responses I've seen so far. Ta, tah...off to find something more useful. Thank you all kindly.

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      Star Witnessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      smile
      Oh, boy...  I'll help you out.  These guys are just having fun, actually, and its nice to see a nonrancorous and kinda funny thread in the religion forum for a change.  You'll soon figure that out, a).

      b), I'm a professional writer...  And I just checked out your hub on how to find a job.  I think it contains a lot of good information and is fairly easy to read.  However--you could improve it by proof reading a bit more carefully, showing consistency in the punctuation of your sub-headlines, and definitely by including at least one or two photos or illustrations per article.  You might also consider breaking up a few of your very long paragraphs into smaller units to further ease reading.

      As far as SEO, it seems as if you included some valid keywords (did you do it throughout the article, too?).  I would have said gear the article towards teens in your title and introductory material if you are writing for teens, but I thought you perhaps you made it broader and less specific with SEO in mind.

  14. moanalisa profile image60
    moanalisaposted 6 years ago

    Thank you Bovine and Cosette for your honest answers. big_smile Mikel, I wish you the best of luck...

    ...may God forgive you for your misguidance. ;-)

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif

      1. moanalisa profile image60
        moanalisaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I guess you didn't get my sarcasm there.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          ...or I thought your sarcasm was funny....

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    cosetteposted 6 years ago

    well, i tried Lisa. as you can see, Mikel just wants to fun with us wink

    on to the next thread now.

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    cosetteposted 6 years ago

    Mountain Dew is very bad for you. so are Fritos and Doritos. wink

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I smoke like a freight train too. Ride bikes, get drunk... You have to die of something, I'm trying to die of enjoyment.

  17. Cagsil profile image83
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Hey Mikel,

    Since you're up to giving your opinion....check out this Hub and get back to me, and let me know what you think?

    http://hubpages.com/hub/www-Do-Women-ha … dreams-com

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I charge 50 dollars per review...cash...

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I can see that's a waste of money. But, thank you for not helping. You're kind. Enjoy! roll

        Now, I guess the big question is did you even visit the site and read it? Did you?

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I did and because it is Lyrics and she made me feel strangely aroused with the article, I'll give you this one for free...
          I found three things I would question.

          1), keep it under the covers, sort of speak. Then there are those who have never

          I would imagine she meant so to speak

          2) Women can have wet dreams from the age of 14 for the rest of her life

          A smaller study in 1986, in the Journal of Sex Research, found that 85% of the women who experienced nocturnal orgasm had done so by the age of 21. Some even before the age of 13.


          I am confused by the discrepancy she states they start at 14, then later she says they can be earlier than 13...

          3) http://hubpages.com/hub/wwwnofacecom missing the . between face and com ? the link didn't seem to work for me...

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            lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks for your feedback Mikel, and this link does actually work, just look like it doesn't, would love your opinion!

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
              Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              This is what I posted as a comment to your article...


              What a beautiful experience... I am touched by it and wasn't even there.

              Some people would say you were lucky, so many bad things could have happened. I think it was more than it appeared. My belief in something greater than our selves, just got stronger. I would call your experience a living work of art. There is something in this experience... like a feeling of angels...

              as far as editing, if you still want that too, just ask.

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                lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks so much babe xo

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                  Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Your Very Welcome, and Thanks for sharing your experience.

  18. Cagsil profile image83
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Okay, cool. Thank you for your input. smile

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      sure...

  19. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Which leads me to the thought, if it is a belief system/religion then not having other opposing religious symbols displayed in government places (schools) could be deemed as supporting only Atheism. Therefore seperation of church and state laws would have to be amended. To whit: Having the religious symbols of Atheism, which are an abscence of references to an Almighty God, is unconstitutional as it violates the statues against the joining of religion and state... just a thought...

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The way I see God is that God is Everything/Nothing, God is the coin, Everything and Nothing are the two sides of the coin. Atheists worship the Nothing side of God...oh wow... by doing nothing, by not praying, by not attending services, by not joining in communion with others and with God. They, like all Religions try to convince others that what they believe is true (so these attempts to 'convert' others to the non-belief might be deemed as a 'sin'?). It is made a Religion by the Dogma of professing a non-belief or by professing a Belief/Faith in the NON -existence of God. The religious symbols of this Religion are as I previously stated, the 'abscence' of symbols of a God.

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          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And they too are a part of God, a unique 'Flavor', a piece in the puzzle that is God...

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    Star Witnessposted 6 years ago

    And Mikel--I'm just curious--my question is why & how did you come by the unusual spelling of your name?  Also, why did you open a thread such as this?  smile

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Mom knew i wasn't going to be very smart, that the spelling of M-i-c-h-a-e-l would be beyond my comprehension, so she made it easy for me mike and add an L... Mikel...was that nice of her?

      The thread was created because people were asking my opinion in other threads and I was reported for being 'off-topic' when I was answering their questions.

      ***I wanted to say thank you for your help with the writing suggestions.***

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        Star Witnessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You are welcome, smile.

        Reported?  OK, whatever, I guess.

        So...since she is not answering...what is your response to the question I posed to starme (I think her photo would make a good short story, really!).

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          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Reported (to HubPages staff) and blocked from further postings in the thread...

          Starme may not be on now and may not be back for hours, even if she comes back she may not read the postings she missed in this thread... to contact her I suggest you go to her profile and ask the question there, or from her profile see if you can send her an e-mail.

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            Star Witnessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hubpage staff is going over the top with that stuff.  Like I say, whatever.

            And that was just a joke question about starme's photo.  Maybe I'LL write the short story, smile.

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              Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              the smiley's help me convey when I'm joking big_smile (which I'm not right now [joking I mean]... big_smile big_smile )

  21. Mark Knowles profile image60
    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago

    LOLOL

    The "Mikel asks his own valued opinion thread."

    Dear oh dear. So - if no one asks you your opinions - you just go ahead and keep spamming the forums with them anyway? wink

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "talking to ones-self is a form of communion with God"....or as you post, I was only stating my thoughts outloud to get it straight in my mind.

  22. Tom Cornett profile image58
    Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago

    If the earth was flat....would maps be round?  smile

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif

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        Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Australia would be down over?  smile

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          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif

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          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol

  23. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Because sex and sexual relations are controlled by women. Strippers and porn give men the illusion of control.

  24. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Thank You so much for allowing us menfolk our delusions...

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      JesusYourSaviorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Peace my child, let not these sinners tempt you!

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        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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    lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

    Mike, how do you let go?  I mean emotionally whether anger or compassionate when the situation comes to a place of time to let go?  I am struggling with messages that indicate a place I no longer want to share given the signals sent to me but I can't let go.  It's like I am taunting myself when the other person could care less.  Make any sense at all?  Thank you.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Are we talking about a relationship? Or just about letting go of emotions/stress?

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        A friendship sad

        1. Jerami profile image79
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            The act of holding onto something  is an elusion.
            kinda like tying a boat down with twine.  If it is still there in the mornin; it woulda been anyway.

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            lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks Jerami appreciate it.

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              Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                 You are welcome.  I think I know what your thinking/feelin

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                lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                you definitely seem to.

        2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          A friendship is a relationship... break ups are never easy. Friendships are probably what I'm worst at. I have never had a large circle of friends, for whatever reason. My personality isn't one that most people like. I've stated that I'm an aquired taste. Something about my personality brings out the competitiveness of people and they seem to always have to prove themselves better than me, Not an easy task. In the competing, the friendship usually dies. So for me, personally, I deal with break-ups and lost friends using the old adage, practice, practice, practice...

          Yes, it sucks. I have gotten used to it though. Now I can usually tell within 5 minutes of meeting someone whether it is going to be a competition or not, and if it is, I sever the emotional connection from the begining, and just enjoy the competition. Unless your like me and have basically lived a solitary life, my advice probably won't be of much help. I'm sorry for your loss, and I hope you keep your chin up. Things will get better, and you will find a new friend.

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            lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Mike xo thank you you have helped me put my emotions and my situation in perspective and I am starting to feel better, and your right, there will be another friend. Thank you so so much big_smile

  26. Jerami profile image79
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    SOMETIMES IT AINT A MATTER OF IF  SOMEBODY IS DOING ANYTHING WRONG OR RIGHT.  Sometimes it is about; am I doin what I am suposed to be doin where I'm suposed to be doin it at??

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't understand...

      1. Jerami profile image79
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

           We should select a enviroment that we thrive in. We do not have the power or right to change the enviroment to suit ourselves. Never hurts to pack a jacket and a few matches to start a campfire.

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          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Dude your absolutely not making yourself understood... I have no clue what your trying to say...

      2. Jerami profile image79
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I was referring to lyricsingray's situation...  I was reminder of a similar situation and may have gotten off track.The relationship she was speaking of just may not be all of what she is looking for. We may loose our hopes of a particular person fulfilling our needs/desires does not make them a bad person. It may be just the wrong time of place for this friendship to finish growing into something else. Keep the friend,can't have too many. Keep the eyes open, never know what we may see next.

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          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          smile

  27. Jerami profile image79
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    I thought that  was a parable... 
      Just wanted to see if anyone understood it??
      Guess not.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Guess not.

      1. Jerami profile image79
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Guess not..

  28. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    someone was asking what prayers were...

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Wishing-Upon-a-Star

  29. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 6 years ago

    You guys argue too much. lol

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Look who's talking...lol

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol I know, I was being sarcastic. How you doin?

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          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm Good... You?

  30. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago


    The highlighted part to me sounds like someone that has suffered a great tragedy. Someone mad at either God or the World. Someone disappointed by the abscence of a magical miracle or resolution to some past event.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Nope. No tragedy here, not mad at your god or any other god, or the world.

      Magical miracles are for children, Mikel. Are you a child?

  31. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Mikel G Roberts wrote:
      Mark or Jeffrey (whatever name you go by)

    Q: Are you talking to me? I have never given my name here.

    Mikel: Yes, but since that isn't your name how did you know to respond to the text?

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Uh, because you quoted my posts. Duh.

  32. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Part of something Mikel said: What ever definition you apply to the tool 'logic'. Doesn't change the fact that it is a 'tool'. The other 'tool' I use is [b] Faith.

    Q or Mark or Jeffrey said: One does not apply definitions to words that are already clearly defined. A hammer is a 'tool' also, but we don't use it to help understand the world around us just as we don't mistakenly use faith for understanding, either.

    Mikel: Without the entire text the context of what I said changes therefore it no longer makes sense...

    In the original use of the text your using...You were changing what I said by calling something I said untrue do to my lack of understanding of what logic was. I was explaining to you that I understood what logic was and that you however didn't.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's Q, not Mark or Jeffrey or Santa Claus. Would you like me to start calling you something else?



      You haven't a clue what logic is. That's a fact.

  33. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Mikel: Faith is the tool I use to as you say 'prop up baseless assertions', another way of saying that is 'support an unprovable idea/belief'.

    Q or Mark or Jeffrey said: Yes, that is my point also.

    Mikel: Faith in the NON-Belief or NON-Existence of God is just as unfounded as belief in the existence of God. Your still trying to use the lack of proof of the existence of God to be Proof of the NON existence of God. It doesn't work that way.

    Lack of Proof does not prove the NON-Existence of God.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That's a logical fallacy. You clearly must then believe in every single entity one can conjure from the imagination, do you?

      Do you actually have an argument that hasn't been used before and isn't a logical fallacy?

  34. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Mikel: Faith is the tool I use when my view/opinion of the world/universe requires me to come to a conclusion when there is no proof.

    Q or Mark or Jeffrey: Yes, you leap to conclusions of magic and mystery supported by the myths and superstitions of the bronze age when answers are not made readily available to you.

    Mikel: Again the use of 'Leap to conclusions' could be replaced by 'make a decision'.

    The second half of your statement must be to someone else. I make decisions using my logic to get me to where the proof ends, and from that point I use Faith to finish.

  35. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Mikel: Your assumption, that since I didn't come to the same conclusion as you, therefore I had to have been brainwashed by religionists.

    Q or Mark or Jeffrey: I have come to the same conclusions that reality offers, nothing more and nothing less. Your conclusions don't match reality. Sorry.

    Isn't that placing the cart before the horse?

    Mikel: What same conclusions? Proof? Again Proof that my conclusions don't match reality? What conclusions of mine don't match reality? Proof?

    Isn't what placing the cart before the horse?

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Your conclusions include gods and other magic, which reality does not exhibit. Simple, really.

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        again What conclusions? Proof? Show me the proof. Don't tell me it simply exists... show it to me.

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What are you looking for? It is up to you to show me your god. If you can't show me your god, how is it that your god is part of reality?

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            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What are you looking for? It is up to you to show me proof of the nonexistence of my God. If you can't show me your proof , how is it that your belief is part of reality?

  36. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Part of what Mikel said: Learning what I believe from a bible... You say is brainwashing...

    Q or Mark or Jeffrey: Well, it certainly isn't learning.

    Mikel: It may not be learning what you want me to learn, but the processing of information is learnig. Even if it comes from a flawed source. What you learn from a flawed source may end up be incorrect, but the learning is learning.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And, how is learning what is flawed useful?

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        again that is a different point... your changing the subject to avoid the original statement (the statement two posts prior to this one , that you edited out from this reply).

        But in answer, historically, knowing what didn't work (trial and error) has been a very effective way to learn what does.

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Fair enough, but if you continue to follow that which doesn't work, how is that useful?



          Ah, I see now, you don't know what's involved in the 'burden of proof' - YOU make the claim for a gods existence, YOU provide the evidence for your claim. Simple, really.



          Then, your example is pointless. You could instead look at the statistics for prisons and find them full of theists, if that helps you understand crimes and who commits them.



          Again, if something is found not to work, why do people continue to follow it?

      2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        again Trial and Error, has historically been a very effective way to learn from what doesn't work, that which does.

  37. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Mikel: Your doubt to the integrity of my answers is obvious, therefore I choose to not take offense from being called a liar.

    Q or Mark or Jeffrey: You may very well believe the lies you've been told. That doesn't the preclude the fact they are lies.

    Mikel: I didn't say anything about someone else telling me anything. I said you were calling me a liar, and I was choosing to not be offended. Therefore your statement is about something completely unrelated.

  38. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Part of what Mikel said: The existence of God.

    Q or Mark or Jeffrey: It isn't logical or rational to believe in the invisible and undetectable, nor is it a belief that hasn't been shouted from the highest mountain tops and deepest valleys throughout the world for many centuries, and even through bedroom doors.


    Mikel: Proof? (that it isn't logical or rational to believe in the unseen or unprovable?)

    Saying that belief in God has been shouted all over the world, doesn't prove anything. Nor does it prove that I, as a child, was influenced by religious fanatics and I'm just a big fat liar now for saying that I wasn't. Again your unfounded and unprovable belief doesn't prove anything.

    Show me the proof.

    1. 60
      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The proof is in the putting, sir.

      1. Don W profile image82
        Don Wposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think you mean pudding. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

        (interesting discussion by the way)

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, but I'm a golfer. wink

      2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        again repeating your unfounded beliefs using different words, IS NOT PROOF show me the proof.

  39. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Mikel: Do you have any proof?

    Q or Mark or Jeffrey: I have mountains of evidence, consistent results in my understanding and proof in my mathematics.

    Mikel: show me.

  40. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Mikel: To what do you lay the blame for all the evils in the world?

    Q or Mark or Jeffrey: The massive, centuries-old, never-ending, indoctrination machine we like to call 'The Abrahamic Religions'

    Mikel: I don't know what 'The Abrahamic Religions' are, but if your referencing the 'Ancient/Modern' churches as a big historical influence of violence, killing, and torture 'IN the Name of God' then on this point I agree.

    The first bible of Christianity was written in Rome Italy 300 years after the death of Christ, because of the violence the people wanting it were doing.

    Christianity grew by use of violence... Christianity was enforced using violence.

    Muslims use it.

    Jews use it.

    Atheists use it.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How have atheists used violence? And, if you're going to cite communism or some despot mass murderer, make sure you provide the details as to how exactly atheism is involved.

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        an example, A group of Atheists are mad and beat someone (possibly someone arguing for the existence of God) as the Atheists are beating this person one atheist says, and where is your God now?... (proving that, at least to the atheist, God doesn't exist.)

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ok, good example. Does this type of event occur on a regular basis? Does it occur at all? Do you have any real life examples of these atheistic beatings?

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Personally I haven't researched it, but I'm sure however that the Police have records and statistics on such cases. And since I'm not trying to convince You of an existent God, and You are trying to convert me, the burden of proof lies firmly with you.

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    cosetteposted 6 years ago

    is it "putting" or "pudding"?

  42. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Isn't proving that someone is bald, proof, that hair exists?
    Not collecting stamps... I would say isn't a hobby. The prevention of others from collecting stamps as a hobby...could be deemed a hobby.
    So while I accept that my belief may be untrue/wrong, because it is unfounded. And I further state there is no proof to the existence of my God. Then why can't Atheists admit, that in a situation of an abscence of proof, anything may be possibly correct. Without proof to the contrary, it is possible that my God exists.
    Because that would mean Atheists admitting that it IS POSSIBLE,  that my God does in fact exist. Which is contrary to their unfounded beliefs.

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      cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      haha big_smile

      i don't know why this strikes me as funny...the absence of hair where hair should be serving as proof of the existence of hair.

      lol

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        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile

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    cosetteposted 6 years ago

    smile

    i had a sudden craving for Cheetos yesterday. i almost bought a tiny bag but resisted. wink

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol

  44. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Mikel G Roberts wrote: But in answer, historically, knowing what didn't work (trial and error) has been a very effective way to learn what does.

    Q or Mark or Jeffrey: Fair enough, but if you continue to follow that which doesn't work, how is that useful?

    Mikel: Is this a round about way of saying a belief in God doesn't work? I find it hard to believe that you don't understand the concept of trial and error... That being the throwing out of that which has been Proven to be untrue. Proven being the important word in the sentence.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I will no longer continue to respond to you if you continue calling me Mark or Jeffrey. I am neither and have no idea who you refer.



      And, what have gods and religion proved to be true?

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What have Atheists proven to be true?
        Why can't Atheists admit, that in a situation of an abscence of proof, anything may be possibly correct. Without proof to the contrary, it is possible that my God exists.
        Because that would mean Atheists admitting that it IS POSSIBLE,  that my God does in fact exist. Which is contrary to their unfounded/unproven beliefs.

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Nothing, what are they supposed to prove?

          Science, on the other hand, has provided a great deal, in fact, everything you take for granted each and every day.



          Anything IS possible, that's the point. However, by believing in the invisible and undetectable, we can conjure a great deal of entities from our imaginations. Are we to believe everything conjured from the mind?



          Of course it is possible, just as it's possible leprechauns and unicorns exist, infinitesimally small possibility. The probabilities of a gods existence is even smaller.



          If anyone states emphatically that your god does not exist, that there are no possibilities and no probabilities of his existence beyond a shadow of a doubt, I would tend to be on your side of that argument.

          We can then both make the same argument for leprechauns and unicorns.

          See now?

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this



            Lol, I always did see... And have stated many, many, many times that it is a 50/50 proposition. It is NOT more likely that God does not exist, it is NOT a 1 in infinity chance, it is a 50% chance.

            Making a comment/comparison about leprechauns and unicorns is just a childish way of re-stating your unfounded belief that God doesn't exist. I understand your point, and your unprovable belief. Insulting me and my unprovable belief because it is different from your own, does you no credit at all.

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              (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yet, there isn't any evidence to suggest gods exist or don't exist, both are equally evidence free in that regard.



              No, it isn't. It is a simple comparison of the invisible and undetectable that both share evidence free characteristics. We can make other comparisons that are equally relevant.

              For example, if your god exists, please tell me if you believe all gods ever to have been believed to exist actually do exist?



              I understand your fallacy.



              I have not insulted you. At best, I have criticized your belief system, but I do understand a theists belief system is a very personal and passionate characteristic of their worldview and mindset. I also understand theists have a difficult time separating this system from themselves when engaged in these types of discussions.

              It's not really so much a matter of your belief system is different than mine. It isn't. We are very much alike. The only main difference is you chose to believe in the existence of one more god than me.

              1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                And I am willing to admit that I have a 50% chance of being incorrect. But I've now grown tired of this dance, so let's leave it at that. My opinion is there is a God. Your opinion is there isn't. Q or Mark or Jeffrey, I hope your belief brings you comfort and peace.

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                  (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Why do persist in calling me by someone elses name? What motive has driven to you "believe" I am someone else.

                  Could it be the system of belief you choose to use rather than thinking things through? Notice how your system of understanding can be demonstrated to be flawed and self-defeating?

                  In other words, you allow your imagination to rule your worldview. Being wrong becomes the norm.

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Honestly, because your choice of nickname becomes confusing in our discussions. People use the letter (Q) to denote questions in text such as this, it was a way of making sure other people later would reconize it as a name and not a symbol of a question.

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    cosetteposted 6 years ago

    smile i bet there weren't more than thirty Cheetos in there.

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    lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago

    Hi Mike, what do you think men feel about women aging?  Is it secretly awful to them.  Men do age so gracefully, while women struggle with various means to keep looking young.

    Ar women no longer attractive to their husbands and at what age do you think?

    I've always wanted to know.

    Thanks xo

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      Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I want you.

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol  Ditto tongue

        1. Bovine Currency profile image61
          Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Lets do it then.

          What's the weather like over there? tongue tongue

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I plead the fifth.

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        lyricsingrayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol  Okay, Everybody does. hgrr. lol

  47. Bovine Currency profile image61
    Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago

    Mikel, what is a pharisee?

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image89
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this
      1. Bovine Currency profile image61
        Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't believe Wikipedia, I want your opinion.

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          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That is as good as I can give you... I don't really have 'an opinion' of what is a pharisee.

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            Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Mikel, no opinion?  I must have misread the title of this thread.

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      sooner than laterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      A Viper.

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        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees

        It doesn't mention snakes at all?

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          sooner than laterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Matthew 3:7
          But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

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            Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Cmon sweetheart, you can do better than that, surely!

            I have read Matthew more times than I can remember.

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              sooner than laterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Self indulged, self righteous- highly educated helpers of nobody with poisonous words, hence 'vipers'

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                Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Ooh ah, that really hurt!

                Heaven forbid the educated helpers of nobody lol

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                  sooner than laterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I did not know you considered yourself a pharisee?

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                    Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Apparently there is much you do not know,

                    including the transparency of your eternally fallacious logic.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago

    "The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men - robbers, evildoers, adulterers - or even like this tax collector, fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.' Jesus Christ.

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      sooner than laterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good job, I think he describes what a pharisee is perfectly.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Your name..Bovine Currency..You do know that means COW MONEY???

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        Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No Deborah, I am an idiot.

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          Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You said that not me.
          I am sorry you feel that way about yourself.
          I am also sorry you hate people that don't agree with you.

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            Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Don't be sorry, I couldn't care less what you think.  I doubt we will ever agree because although I am a genius, I am not smart enough to lower myself to your level of comprehension.

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          Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am quoting the above Mz. Sexton, just in case you forget how you brought this on yourself.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago

    The lot of you whom claim religion.

    Jesus Christ was crucified for standing up against the hypocrisy of the law makers, the church of his day.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't claim religion. I do claim God.
      I'm not in the Christian faith,
      I do not claim to know all.
      And I am not a Pharisee.
      Obviously you are not seeing the deeper meaning of the Pharisee.

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        Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I am aware of your religion Deborah and accused you of no claim.  Jesus Christ was murdered by the church.  Your church.  You are a pharisee, you are a hypocrite.  If you have a different opinion on what the Pharisee is, get it out.  Otherwise, perhaps you should consider getting back in your box.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago

    Cow is a female of the bovine species, did you know that?

    Really, sharpen up honey.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      DON'T call me honey.
      I am very sharp.

      OK it means Cattle Money..Big difference.

      Tell me what degrees you hold??? NONE

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        Bovine Currencyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well whoopity do Deborah.  Whatever fine institution you did or did not go to, whoopity do all the same.  There are plenty of idiots in the world and plenty of those have an education.

 
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