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What would we blame for our actions if we didn't have 'beliefs'?

  1. kirstenblog profile image75
    kirstenblogposted 7 years ago

    I am just wondering what we would blame for our destructive actions if we did not have religion v atheism v other religions to blame? For that matter what excuses would we make up for going to war and other acts of killing if we did not have the whole religion issue to fuel our destructive natures?

    Is it possible that humans would be able to take responsibility for the destructive part of our nature? Could we be honest about our desire to be superior to others?

    1. TMMason profile image71
      TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Most likely, the lack of a belief system. And I am not so sure wanting to be, "Superior", is inherrant. That seems to infer we are all racists, or something close to that.

      We all have a bad side, and we must learn to control it regardless of if we have a system of beliefs or not. So?

    2. Rod Marsden profile image78
      Rod Marsdenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think John Lennon had the answer and he was killed because he had the answer.


    3. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Atheists don't blame any God for their actions. We don't need that. We're fully responsible of our actions and its consequences.

  2. Sufidreamer profile image81
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    hehe - A bit of peace.

    Only an opinion, but I believe that any society under threat tends to polarise, whether it be religion, politics or other ideology. Once people occupy the extremes, there is little room for compromise and that is a dangerous path smile

    1. EmpressFelicity profile image82
      EmpressFelicityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah. What he said LOL. 

      The trouble with ideology of any kind is that it encourages people to adopt an end-justifies-the-means attitude.  Thus you have Simon de Montfort slaughtering the Cathars while saying "Kill them all - God will know his own", or Stalin and Hitler engaging in mass murder/genocide because they thought it was justified in the light of their particular ideology.  It's the same impulse in both cases, and transcends the question of religion/atheism.

      1. Sa Toya profile image87
        Sa Toyaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That is so true. If destruction is based on the belief in religion etc. Then without it we would blame our lack of belief in religion etc.

        And nicely put- the same impulse does apply to both

      2. Sufidreamer profile image81
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed - ideology is fine as long as you are prepared to accept that humanity is much more complex than placing people into a little box. I work upon the principle that I know nothing and disbelieve anything that the media portrays as truth, at least until I have verified it for myself.

        I have friends who are staunchly Orthodox Christian and friends that are Atheists - both 'sides' get along wonderfully and have interesting and deep philosophical debates. They are always prepared to look at the other view and use it to challenge their own beliefs, making adjustments to their world-view, if necessary smile

        I stay away from blind extremism - it makes for a much happier life, IMO smile

    2. kirstenblog profile image75
      kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I kinda think we would find something to blame for our fighting hmm
      My video games are better then your video games and I will fight you to prove it!
      Sci-fi is better then Rom-coms and I will go to war to prove it! Mwhahaha

      1. Sufidreamer profile image81
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I like sci-fi, but that should not get in the way of a good fight wink

        Sci-fi games are the tool of satan or something big_smile

        1. kirstenblog profile image75
          kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Shall we start the church of Sci-fi video games? We can then break up into smaller sects that worship role play sci fi games and first person shooter sci fi games etc. then go to war over which is best. lol

  3. Sa Toya profile image87
    Sa Toyaposted 7 years ago

    Ha we just might be able to admit the we choose to mess things up because we like being the best at things.

    Maybe it's human nature or nurture that many of us have a superiority complex.

    We seem to polarise or form cliques from early ages-school/high school. It's all a damn joke but this learned behaviour means we divide and try to conquer or destroy.

    I think religion/beliefs are used as excuses to create havoc. Without it all we have is the above I guess, our need to flock with birds of a feather....who knows

    hmm

  4. kess profile image60
    kessposted 7 years ago

    Men are self seeking by nature,
    And anythings can be the reason for their wickedness.

    For those who serve the same God right against each other as well as the atheist and those who serve different Gods.

  5. Misha profile image76
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    I always blame Sufi when I screw up wink

    1. Sufidreamer profile image81
      Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sadly, 'tis true - everything is my fault.

      I am to blame for the world economic crisis, too. If only I had drunk less Ouzo before sharing a cigar with Bill Clinton, things may have been different. sad

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Damn you! lol

        1. Sufidreamer profile image81
          Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Not quite everything - Paris Hilton is nothing to do with me big_smile

    2. kirstenblog profile image75
      kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thats probably very wise Misha wink tongue

      1. Sufidreamer profile image81
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It works for my missus - everything is my fault big_smile

        Now, submit to the Church of the Holy Third Person Sci-Fi Gamists or die mad

        1. kirstenblog profile image75
          kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this
            1. kirstenblog profile image75
              kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hey Sufi, I think we got a convert!

              1. Cagsil profile image59
                Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                And, who do you plan to convert? To what are they converting to? Also, how much will it cost to be 'saved'? big_smile

                Please do tell?  smile

                1. Sufidreamer profile image81
                  Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Just give us all of your worldly possessions, for 'purification' purposes. in return, we will give you a large and knobbly stick of smiting to deliver divine justice to all of those foul first-person gamists smile

                  1. Cagsil profile image59
                    Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, I see....you're one of "those" kinds of extremists? roll

                    Well, interesting to see. lol lol

                  2. kirstenblog profile image75
                    kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Now you see the deception in his words! A knobbly stick! Come to my gaming church and I will give you this!

        2. kirstenblog profile image75
          kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I shall reveal this great infidel! Submit to him and this is your reward!

          1. Sufidreamer profile image81
            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You're just jealous because I have more followers than you, O unclean one. You are the Jah-Jah Binks of Sci-Fi religions big_smile

            http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/jarjar2-tm.jpg?w=350&h=284

            The real Kirstenblog big_smile

            1. kirstenblog profile image75
              kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this
  6. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I'm all for taking personal responsibility for everything you do.

  7. Aya Katz profile image88
    Aya Katzposted 7 years ago

    If it weren't for people at the extremes, how would anybody know where the middle is?

  8. Sufidreamer profile image81
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    Tell him to send all of his money to the usual place so that he can be truly saved big_smile

    1. kirstenblog profile image75
      kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am liking this, the usual place being my bank account right lol tongue

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's too funny!

      2. Sufidreamer profile image81
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        OI!!!! - it is supposed to be to my bank account.

        Looks like we have our first schism big_smile

        1. kirstenblog profile image75
          kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          To all true followers, beware this man for he is truly the anti-gaming-3rd person- sci fier! Mine is the only true word of the gaming gods! Make no mistake, sending this demon your money will damn your soul to game over hell! You have been warned!

          (you can make all checks payable to kirstenblog, the only true gaming messiah)

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            roll lol lol

          2. Sufidreamer profile image81
            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Book of Bollox 4:19 Trust not the temptress, however cuddly the avatar, for she will lead you astray and make you partake of the forbidden M&Ms

            4:20 All eternity will be spent in sci-fi hell, otherwise known as a Star-Trek convention.

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That was cool and funny. cool

              1. kirstenblog profile image75
                kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Beware Cagsil you risk losing your immortal gaming soul! Return to the flock my son

  9. ncmonroe1981 profile image60
    ncmonroe1981posted 7 years ago

    Isn't it a bit limited to suppose that simply because someone maintains a belief system, they are unable to (or don't) take responsibility for their own actions?

    My belief system happens to include personal responsibility. *shrug* I don't know about anyone else's.

    1. kirstenblog profile image75
      kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I can see that a belief system can incorporate the lesson of taking responsibility for our actions and I have a lot of respect for individuals who do incorporate this as a part of their beliefs big_smile

      I do not respect when people use their beliefs to avoid responsibility and I sadly see it happen often hmm

      1. ncmonroe1981 profile image60
        ncmonroe1981posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I can second that kirstin:) There does seem to be a lot of lack of responsibility going around these days.

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ya think? roll lol lol

  10. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Hey Kirsten,

    Did you happen to start this thread after reading my Hub? lol

  11. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Sometimes I wonder what this world is coming to?

  12. kirstenblog profile image75
    kirstenblogposted 7 years ago

    This has been fun but I suspect it would be easier to make a buck by writing a hub!

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That might be true? lol

  13. Sufidreamer profile image81
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    Likewise - It has been fun but it is my turn to cook, so I had better make a start.

    Have fun and be good...big_smile

    1. kirstenblog profile image75
      kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hope you are enjoying a nice dinner smile We shall have to be silly on the forums again sometime. I really shoulda been working on my hub lol roll

      1. Sufidreamer profile image81
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Lovely Spinach and Rice, thanks - being silly was great fun but, sadly, it made much more sense than many of the other posts smile

        1. kirstenblog profile image75
          kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Silliness usually does make the most sense to me tongue

        2. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That's true enough. lol

  14. profile image0
    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    ourselves.

  15. prettydarkhorse profile image64
    prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago

    People acts in general or behave not because of cultural influences like religion or value system, but they act accordingly because they like it, the reasons can be obscure, sometimes because of anticipated blessings they get from the act, or they just act selfishly because they love themselves, eevrybody loves themselves,,,,,thats why when you interact with other people you try to show your best, or the true you, or not the true you...

    so in short blame yourself, not others,,,,HEHE

  16. Stevennix2001 profile image82
    Stevennix2001posted 7 years ago

    that's very hard to say as nobody really knows what would happen if we didn't have religion in our lives.  i guess the world might be like it was at the beginning of the film, "invention of lying."  however, even that's up to interpretation as well. 

    i know statistically speaking, there would be a lot less wars and death counts as it's already proven religion is the number one reason for war.

    however, the problem with humanity is we're all idiots, period.  even if we didn't have religion, that still wouldn't cure other factors that cause us to lash out and discriminate.  there would still be rape, murder, and stealing, as those having nothing to do with religion.  although, there are some that use that an excuse though.

 
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