are you some other religon? Because how do you think people even set foot on this earth? How did even the universe get here without a creator?
Who cares. There are literally thousands of more important questions than this.
think other things are more important THEN HOW WE GOT HERE! you couldnt answer those questions without a creator!
How "WE" got here....are you talking of the Human Race in general. I know HOW I got here and it wasn't due to some fictious "GOD" entity.
Yeah, Flying Spaghetti Monster created us! Here is the proof of His Noodly existence! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72PndL15m1c
That is what religion needs.... Hard proof!
Without getting into an argument, no I don't believe in god and jesus. x
Ummmm...who created the creator? and the creator of the creator?
Personally, I feel that it doesn't matter what everyone else thinks anyway - it's your own face in 'whatever' that counts - why should I care if someone else has different views, or indeed if mine are wrong!
Is there are reason for you asking more foolish questions? I answered your question. Be done with it. Otherwise, you're not likely to like my answers, because my answers will dismiss your mystical faith-based world.
What else is new with you religious people. Whatever? That's childish and arrogant, to think you have all the answers.
I thought you believed in Jesus, Cagsil? What happened in the last couple months that made you change your mind?
I don't believe in Jesus Christ of the Bible. I've learned that Jesus was a real person and his teachings were not religious. But, Thank You Sandra for bringing that up.
No. I am of the understanding that Jesus lived. If the bible talks about Jesus Christ, then there is a difference. The Jesus Christ of the Bible didn't exist.
A Man named Jesus was alive, as well, as many others named Jesus. But, since I know Jesus - outside of religion wasn't a teacher of religion and detested ALL religion. Therefore, makes it a different person altogether.
Well, when I am finished with my 4 Chapter HUB on Him and Religion, and what the difference is....then you'll have all the information you could ever need.
It shoudl be Which Jesus. I was just reading that site that I gave in the other hread of The People's Chronology and it stated that there were a few men who claimed they were Jesus Christ. I didn't see any other referrence to it, but it brought up something that I heard from the past when I was on another social network---Jesus Christ is also thought to be a composite of many people and not just a One Single Person.
i dont care at least i believe in SOMETHING!
Oh, btw- you asked - "Are you some other religion? NO! I REJECT all mystical faith-based religions for being false and/or a lie. I've done the research of religion and come to understand it's not real to begin with, because there are those who want to control people, like you. Weak-minded, non-self responsible, individual who are afraid to accept there life for what it is and what it is not.
Einstein was quoted as saying “…of all possible knowledge, we might know 5%...” The point is, all that we know is limited, relative to all of the knowledge that exists. So, logically, it follows that there always exists the possibility of God and Jesus outside of ‘your’ current knowledge. To reject all mystical faith-based religions for being false and/or a lie, is at best, small minded, and at worst, just another egotistical rant, no matter how much research you have done, or hubs written, and you sir, are no Einstein.
Yes, Einstein was referring to the vast amount of questions about the universe yet to be answered, the physical universe, that is.
Einstein was not referring to the claims of theists and the delusions of the gullible.
When all the mystical faith-based religions offer is talk, there isn't much to reject.
Neither are you. And, Einstein would be insulted by your use of his quotes in that manner.
You know if a monk in the medievil days had dropped to the floor babbling insanely and spewing suppossed knowlegde about the wieghts of Nuetrinos and Quantum Entanglement Theory or Quantum Theory period!
Would the fact that He could not prove it, then make it false?
There are things on levels we do not recognize everywhere in the universe and throughout creation.
To deny blindly that they, or god exists, when we, or you, do not possess the knowledge or means, to know the untimate truth of the, "thing", is illogical.
And blind faith in another form.
Einstien could not grasp Quantum theory in the least.
He stated "God does not play dice with the universe.".
Well. Was he right?
He couldn't prove it, but everyone believed him.
Then BAM. He was wrong!
Sure, he could. He simply didn't agree with it as it stood then.
Einstein was wrong about Quantum theory. So what?
What's your point? Are you comparing scientific theories of nature to that of the myths and superstitions of your religion?
What's so scientific about 0+0=1 or hydrogen to human or frog to prince? NOTHING!
My point is, the best Theorists and Theoiries in the world can be wrong, and to rule something out before knowing the pure truth of it, is silly.
And Quantum Theory itself acts to show us that because one cannot see it, does not mean one should believe, it is not there.
Isn't that the driving force behind Theorism in general.
To speculate, postulate, on those things as yet UNKNOWN?
Agreed. I don't rule out string theory, for example, but then I haven't been able to fully understand the mathematics behind it. And, although it's a theory that can't be tested at this time, it remains simply a mathematical theory, but completely useless to anyone.
If you mean, "cannot see it" with the human eye, I would agree. However, consistent experimental results on the effects of the quantum world can be seen.
Perhaps, but it certainly doesn't mean entertaining the myths and superstitions of bronze age beliefs as a theory.
Bearded guy on the cloud eternally cooking sinners for dinner? God forbid! I am not THAT dumb.
No sweety, I am not a Judaist, nor Buddhist. I belong to the only true religion, I worship FSM!
It makes for a nice picture though ;-)
Happy holidays Misha :-*
Hey Sandra...not to get off topic...but are you taking part in my Hubber Community Hub?
If you want to check out this forum?
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/31352?p … post678080
Okay, back to topic.
I do! People having connections with GOD believe in him, you cannot force other people to have the same feeling but no harm to try and to share the love.
I always have arguments with my bf, same here, a lot of arguments about religions. People have different opinions about the world. It's a pity Sharing love is not the only thing to live....
A lack of knowledge and understanding of life is the only reason people make an excuse to believe in the "GOD" concept. But, you are right about one thing- LOVE is a universal feeling shared by every person on the planet, however, many have a misconception about that too. So, it comes back to a lack of knowledge and a lack of understanding of the true meaning of life.
You're cute. Now, why would I want to reveal that here in a forum, when I have many hubs dedicated to the discussion of Life.
If you meant people believe in GOD because of the lack of knowledge, why many people around me they became Christian even if they are doing science. For example my minster of church, he did biology before he is a priest.
Do you have a point to make? Or are you just baiting to see what comes next?
Cagsil, you are very alike my bf. I respect your opinion and sounds very reasonable from some points of view but it doesn't give me the perfect answer. We might never find a perfect answer in this world. I believe in GOD since I have a hope. A hope of perfect world, whatever this world has gone or has not come. At least people need hope, No hope no life.
I'm not a believer at all, but I have no problem with other people believing what they want as long as it does not affect me.
I do find it hard to understand how people can believe in any God though. It's simply taking something which you don't understand, and then making up a fairy story to explain it.
Scientist have already given several physically possible ways in which the universe could physically have been created.
I think it is funny how you ask a question like this and then get angry when you are given logical denials and jokes though, and people will make fun, in just the same way as they would if a thirty year old started arguing for the existence of Santa.
If you believe in God feel free to believe in him, but don't expect everyone to join in when you raise the subject in a forum which by the laws of averages has at least some rational, sane, people in it.
"i dont care at least i believe in SOMETHING!"
I would be more proud to say that I can think, rather than say I can believe.
2 B.C.: literature
Poetry: The Art of Love (Ars Amatoria) by Ovid scandalizes Rome: "It is expedient that there should be gods, and since it is expedient let us believe that gods exist" (I); "Nothing is stronger than habit" (II).
I respect your view Q.
I just choose not to rule out other levels of reality within this existence. Which as you say, can effect upon it, but not be seen directly.
It isn't really possible to rule out reality when it is reality that affects us everyday.
And granted, I don't rule out your beliefs, but I must insist on putting them to the test of reality. And, if it is found, for example, that you believe a god keeps people on earth while I understand it as gravity, we simply have a disagreement of terminology, but it would seem more likely that you have re-labeled something already clearly defined.
Anything over and above that is something that needs to be demonstrated.
I understand gravity to be a creation of God, as is the rest of the universe. Which science has yet to explain 99+ percent of.
There are many fields of science that show a consistancy with the biblical texts. There are historical, Archeological, physics, astronomy, etc.
I don't know what Gravity is.
But I know it exists.
But for a long time in mans history we did not know what it's effects were, or how to define them. Even though they were essentially right in front of us. Because we did not have the right equipment or understanding.
It could and I believe it is the same with God. We don't know how to understand or see him in this world. Nor the effects he imparts upon this world and universe.
But because we don't know how to measure, define, see and compare, something. Doesn't mean thjat something doesn't exist.
It could just as likely mean we just don't know how to, measure, define, see and compare is all.
Could be our own blind spot.
Sorry bout the edit. I had to clearify.
If gravity and the universe were creations of your god, why would you place the onus on science and why would you care for an explanation beyond your belief?
I don't buy that. I've read scriptures too and have never seen anything that would resemble a known physics theory or law.
No one does. All we know is that it's a property of mass/energy.
For a long time in mankinds history, we were obsessed with myths and superstitions and believed them to be true. Much of our planet has yet to move out of bronze age beliefs. Galileo should have been the first man to set foot on the surface of Mars, not be held under church house arrest for his insight.
As you said earlier, gravity and it's effects were right in front of us. So, where are the effects of god?
No, when there isn't anything to measure, define, see and compare, we understand it to be equivalent to the non-existent. The aether was a good example of that.
There has to be an effect to measure, first. No effect, no need to measure.
I guess if I don't understand something, instead of rigorously experimenting, I should defer to an imaginary being? That sounds very intelligent!!!
No. You should simply not rule the unknown out.
How did you get it so wrong? I tried to explain clearly.
And as I stated, the fields of science and History have found consistancy in its text, throughout all attempts to prove it false, on the provable level.
Astronomy, Physics, Biology, Meteorolgy, Anthropology, Hydrology, Geology, etc. If it's texts were accurate on those provable facts. Why wouldn't I trust its other statements?
Blind faith is jumping to a conclusion before all facts are known.
That sounds like scientists and atheists of today. There is science to support the bible, you just choose to ignore it.
And God states clearly in the Bible.... "Test all things, hold fast to that which is fine."
Sounds like an admonishment to prove all things to yourself. And see that all God says, is fact.
So test it. Have fun. But don't ignore the truths you may find.
Scientist are not ruling the unknown out. And deferring to religion as the truth is nothing more than blind faith. One can draw a religious conclusion without ever conducting any experiments. Nothing gained!
Why not just let the unknown be unknowable at this time, instead of saying it is God? That's what scientist do.
If science appears to support the bible, it is purely coincidently. I ignore it because it's just another desperate attempt to prove an illogical premise.
The whole point of science, is to know.
The the whole point I am stating is God said to check and make sure his word was truth.
So when you find something in conflict with science, let me know.
One glaring contradiction to science happens right in the book of Genesis
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: 2 Cor. 4.6 and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. 2 Pet. 3.5 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also
How did God wait three days before creating the sun? The sun is the day. No sun-no day, Right?! You must have a clever explanation for this.
God would need a sun to have light?
The sun is for man and the earth. As science supports.
He has his own light to work within.
Two different lights, but they both let you see clearer.
This is ridiculous!!!
I thought you were talking science. This response is completely unscientific. You have no argument for your position. Your answer was the predictable delusional nonsense that is just totally made up. First your god was made up, then these insane attributes followed. You are just trying to trick me into thinking you are logical. Try explaining the science behind your answer. Please.
Okay let's talk science.
Show me the Big Bang, life from non-life, Any hard evidence for evolution. Any. We have the same facts, The same earth and the same science we it comes to observational science, so it's interpretation vs interpretation.
Fact 1: The universe had a beginning
Fact 2: The Second Law of Thermodynamics is Fact
Fact 3: We would be here if there was infinite regression of Causes
Conclusion: There must be an uncaused cause. I believe based on the facts that God is the uncaused that created everything from nothing.
You can either use logic to say nothing created everything(0+0=1), matter is eternal(disproved-entropy and the second law of Thermodynamics) or there is a uncaused caused created everything(proven through the Law of Causality) either way logic and faith are required. We know things can only produced after it’s kind, we know life only comes from life. I believe in God based on what I know you’re an atheist because of what you don’t know. Was your brain designed or a product or random chance? Why do you trust your thoughts?
Thank you, truth.
I think that gives a glimpse of the science. I told you there is science to support the claim of the truth of the Bible, just as there is for Evolution, Origin of life, and the Universe.
I am not trying to trick you, just open your thinking. Don't dismiss something without any proof it should be dismissed.
And, Still, the bible is a lie!!! You have not proven that Genesis is not a glaring contradiction of the very science you are touting. No evolution theory required. These are things we can see.
I believe in Jesus he delivers parts to us nice enough fella.
I don't mind Jesus jokes. I would think he knows what humor is. God also.
OK! Have a wonderful evening, everyone. Thanks for the debate.
Most of your reply is gibberish Q ,but I’m glad to see you dropped the starving kids angle you were starting to look desperate. If you want to see how many scientific facts are in the bible google it or just click here:
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scienti … bible.html
"jesus and god?" Shouldn't there be capitals there? Or is that your message?
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