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Do you believe in jesus and god?

  1. dogluver1 profile image61
    dogluver1posted 7 years ago

    I believe. Do you?

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Absolutely NOT! smile

      1. dogluver1 profile image61
        dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        are you some other religon? Because how do you think people even set foot on this earth? How did even the universe get here without a creator?

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Who cares. There are literally thousands of more important questions than this.

          1. dogluver1 profile image61
            dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            think other things are more important THEN HOW WE GOT HERE! you couldnt answer those questions without a creator!

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              How "WE" got here....are you talking of the Human Race in general. I know HOW I got here and it wasn't due to some fictious "GOD" entity. smile

            2. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah, Flying Spaghetti Monster created us! Here is the proof of His Noodly existence! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72PndL15m1c

              1. dogluver1 profile image61
                dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                rar shut up

                1. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You are getting rude. I have all the rights to promote THE ONLY TRUE religion! lol

                  1. dogluver1 profile image61
                    dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    i am not rude! just a little angry sorry..

              2. earnestshub profile image90
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                That is what religion needs.... Hard proof! lol

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                sarah dawkinsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Without getting into an argument, no I don't believe in god and jesus. x

            3. SimeyC profile image89
              SimeyCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ummmm...who created the creator? and the creator of the creator?

              Personally, I feel that it doesn't matter what everyone else thinks anyway - it's your own face in 'whatever' that counts - why should I care if someone else has different views, or indeed if mine are wrong!

              1. dogluver1 profile image61
                dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                well thats a good question i used to ask my father that.. i dont know

        2. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Is there are reason for you asking more foolish questions? I answered your question. Be done with it. Otherwise, you're not likely to like my answers, because my answers will dismiss your mystical faith-based world. smile

          1. dogluver1 profile image61
            dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            whatever..................

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              What else is new with you religious people. Whatever? That's childish and arrogant, to think you have all the answers. big_smile

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                sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I thought you believed in Jesus, Cagsil?  What happened in the last couple months that made you change your mind?

                1. dogluver1 profile image61
                  dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  do you believe?

                2. Cagsil profile image59
                  Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't believe in Jesus Christ of the Bible. I've learned that Jesus was a real person and his teachings were not religious. big_smile But, Thank You Sandra for bringing that up. big_smile

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                    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    So you do believe in a Jesus Christ?

              2. dogluver1 profile image61
                dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                i dont care at least i believe in SOMETHING!

        3. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, btw- you asked - "Are you some other religion? NO! I REJECT all mystical faith-based religions for being false and/or a lie. I've done the research of religion and come to understand it's not real to begin with, because there are those who want to control people, like you. Weak-minded, non-self responsible, individual who are afraid to accept there life for what it is and what it is not. big_smile

          1. Noel Christian profile image60
            Noel Christianposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Einstein was quoted as saying “…of all possible knowledge, we might know 5%...” The point is, all that we know is limited, relative to all of the knowledge that exists. So, logically, it follows that there always exists the possibility of God and Jesus outside of ‘your’ current knowledge. To reject all mystical faith-based religions for being false and/or a lie, is at best, small minded, and at worst, just another egotistical rant, no matter how much research you have done, or hubs written, and you sir, are no Einstein.

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, Einstein was referring to the vast amount of questions about the universe yet to be answered, the physical universe, that is.



              Einstein was not referring to the claims of theists and the delusions of the gullible.



              When all the mystical faith-based religions offer is talk, there isn't much to reject.



              Neither are you. And, Einstein would be insulted by your use of his quotes in that manner.

              1. TMMason profile image72
                TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You know if a monk in the medievil days had dropped to the floor babbling insanely and spewing suppossed knowlegde about the wieghts of Nuetrinos and Quantum Entanglement Theory or Quantum Theory period!

                Would the fact that He could not prove it, then make it false?

                There are things on levels we do not recognize everywhere in the universe and throughout creation.

                To deny blindly that they, or god exists, when we, or you, do not possess the knowledge or means, to know the untimate truth of the, "thing", is illogical.

                And blind faith in another form.

                Einstien could not grasp Quantum theory in the least.

                He stated "God does not play dice with the universe.".

                Well. Was he right?

                He couldn't prove it, but everyone believed him.

                Then BAM. He was wrong!

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Sure, he could. He simply didn't agree with it as it stood then.



                  Einstein was wrong about Quantum theory. So what?



                  What's your point? Are you comparing scientific theories of nature to that of the myths and superstitions of your religion?

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                    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    What's so scientific about 0+0=1 or hydrogen to human or frog to prince?  NOTHING!

                  2. TMMason profile image72
                    TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    My point is, the best Theorists and Theoiries in the world can be wrong, and to rule something out before knowing the pure truth of it, is silly.

                    And Quantum Theory itself acts to show us that because one cannot see it, does not mean one should believe, it is not there.

                    Isn't that the driving force behind Theorism in general.

                    To speculate, postulate, on those things as yet UNKNOWN?

    2. wesleyacarter profile image61
      wesleyacarterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      not at the same time.

      1. dogluver1 profile image61
        dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        ok then....

  2. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    God forbid yikes

    1. dogluver1 profile image61
      dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ??? do you believe in jesus and god?

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Bearded guy on the cloud eternally cooking sinners for dinner? God forbid! I am not THAT dumb. lol

        1. dogluver1 profile image61
          dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Im guessing you dont you know i dont care because for all i know you can be jewish or you believe in budda

        2. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Seems like a fair statement, on balance

    2. starme77 profile image87
      starme77posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol

  3. Ladybird33 profile image62
    Ladybird33posted 7 years ago

    Yep, I believe a 100%

    1. dogluver1 profile image61
      dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      same here

  4. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    No sweety, I am not a Judaist, nor Buddhist. I belong to the only true religion, I worship FSM! smile

    1. dogluver1 profile image61
      dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ok

  5. Princessa profile image86
    Princessaposted 7 years ago

    It makes for a nice picture though ;-)
    Happy holidays Misha :-*

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Same to you Princessa. And thanks ♥

  6. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 7 years ago

    Hey Sandra...not to get off topic...but are you taking part in my Hubber Community Hub?

    If you want to check out this forum?
    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/31352?p … post678080

    Okay, back to topic. big_smile lol lol lol

  7. Sifan profile image76
    Sifanposted 7 years ago

    I do! People having connections with GOD believe in him, you cannot force other people to have the same feeling but no harm to try and to share the love.

  8. Sifan profile image76
    Sifanposted 7 years ago

    I always have arguments with my bf, same here, a lot of arguments about religions. People have different opinions about the world. It's a pity Sharing love is not the only thing to live....

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A lack of knowledge and understanding of life is the only reason people make an excuse to believe in the "GOD" concept. But, you are right about one thing- LOVE is a universal feeling shared by every person on the planet, however, many have a misconception about that too. So, it comes back to a lack of knowledge and a lack of understanding of the true meaning of life. smile

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What is the true meaning of life?

        1. SimeyC profile image89
          SimeyCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          42 *grin*

        2. Sifan profile image76
          Sifanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That's what I want to ask as well...

        3. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You're cute. big_smile tongue  Now, why would I want to reveal that here in a forum, when I have many hubs dedicated to the discussion of Life. smile

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Now this is something I can agree to! smile

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

        4. skyfire profile image73
          skyfireposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Kill Boredom till death.

      2. Sifan profile image76
        Sifanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If you meant people believe in GOD because of the lack of knowledge, why many people around me they became Christian even if they are doing science. For example my minster of church, he did biology before he is a priest.

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Why are you asking me about other people, such as this person who turned to religion, after working in science? How am I suppose to know WHY he did anything? I don't claim to have all the answers or know everything. smile

  9. dogluver1 profile image61
    dogluver1posted 7 years ago

    so...

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you have a point to make? Or are you just baiting to see what comes next? smile

      1. dogluver1 profile image61
        dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        i dont know im bored!!!!

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          See, there is a huge difference. You say and do things that have no real meaning. I do everything with a purpose. smile

  10. Sifan profile image76
    Sifanposted 7 years ago

    Cagsil, you are very alike my bf. I respect your opinion and sounds very reasonable from some points of view but it doesn't give me the perfect answer. We might never find a perfect answer in this world. I believe in GOD since I have a hope. A hope of perfect world, whatever this world has gone or has not come. At least people need hope, No hope no life.

  11. thisisoli profile image56
    thisisoliposted 7 years ago

    I'm not a believer at all, but I have no problem with other people believing what they want as long as it does not affect me.

    I do find it hard to understand how people can believe in any God though.  It's simply taking something which you don't understand, and then making up a fairy story to explain it.

    Scientist have already given several physically possible ways in which the universe could physically have been created. 

    I think it is funny how you ask a question like this and then get angry when you are given logical denials and jokes though, and people will make fun, in just the same way as they would if a thirty year old started arguing for the existence of Santa.

    If you believe in God feel free to believe in him, but don't expect everyone to join in when you raise the subject in a forum which by the laws of averages has at least some rational, sane, people in it.

    "i dont care at least i believe in SOMETHING!"

    I would be more proud to say that I can think, rather than say I can believe.

    1. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well said. smile

    2. dogluver1 profile image61
      dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ok ok im sorry something really bad happend to me.. i was frustrated....

  12. dogluver1 profile image61
    dogluver1posted 7 years ago

    so...

  13. Lady Guinevere profile image60
    Lady Guinevereposted 7 years ago

    2 B.C.: literature
    Poetry: The Art of Love (Ars Amatoria) by Ovid scandalizes Rome: "It is expedient that there should be gods, and since it is expedient let us believe that gods exist" (I); "Nothing is stronger than habit" (II).

  14. Sa Toya profile image86
    Sa Toyaposted 7 years ago

    roll

  15. TMMason profile image72
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    I respect your view Q.

    I just choose not to rule out other levels of reality within this existence. Which as you say, can effect upon it, but not be seen directly.

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It isn't really possible to rule out reality when it is reality that affects us everyday.

      And granted, I don't rule out your beliefs, but I must insist on putting them to the test of reality. And, if it is found, for example, that you believe a god keeps people on earth while I understand it as gravity, we simply have a disagreement of terminology, but it would seem more likely that you have re-labeled something already clearly defined.

      Anything over and above that is something that needs to be demonstrated.

      1. TMMason profile image72
        TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I understand gravity to be a creation of God, as is the rest of the universe. Which science has yet to explain 99+ percent of.

        There are many fields of science that show a consistancy with the biblical texts. There are historical, Archeological, physics, astronomy, etc.

        I don't know what Gravity is.

        But I know it exists.

        But for a long time in mans history we did not know what it's effects were, or how to define them. Even though they were essentially right in front of us. Because we did not have the right equipment or understanding.

        It could and I believe it is the same with God. We don't know how to understand or see him in this world. Nor the effects he imparts upon this world and universe.

        But because we don't know how to measure, define, see and compare, something. Doesn't mean thjat something doesn't exist.

        It could just as likely mean we just don't know how to, measure, define, see and compare is all.

        Could be our own blind spot.

        Sorry bout the edit. I had to clearify.

        1. profile image61
          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If gravity and the universe were creations of your god, why would you place the onus on science and why would you care for an explanation beyond your belief?



          I don't buy that. I've read scriptures too and have never seen anything that would resemble a known physics theory or law.



          No one does. All we know is that it's a property of mass/energy.



          For a long time in mankinds history, we were obsessed with myths and superstitions and believed them to be true. Much of our planet has yet to move out of bronze age beliefs. Galileo should have been the first man to set foot on the surface of Mars, not be held under church house arrest for his insight.



          As you said earlier, gravity and it's effects were right in front of us. So, where are the effects of god?



          No, when there isn't anything to measure, define, see and compare, we understand it to be equivalent to the non-existent. The aether was a good example of that.



          There has to be an effect to measure, first. No effect, no need to measure.

  16. Sa Toya profile image86
    Sa Toyaposted 7 years ago

    DRAMAAAA!

  17. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    I guess if I don't understand something, instead of rigorously experimenting, I should defer to an imaginary being?  That sounds very intelligent!!!

    1. TMMason profile image72
      TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No. You should simply not rule the unknown out.

      How did you get it so wrong? I tried to explain clearly.

      And as I stated,  the fields of science and History have found consistancy in its text, throughout all attempts to prove it false, on the provable level.

      Astronomy, Physics, Biology, Meteorolgy, Anthropology, Hydrology, Geology, etc. If it's texts were accurate on those provable facts. Why wouldn't I trust its other statements?

      Blind faith is jumping to a conclusion before all facts are known.

      That sounds like scientists and atheists of today. There is science to support the bible, you just choose to ignore it.

      And God states clearly in the Bible.... "Test all things, hold fast to that which is fine."

      Sounds like an admonishment to prove all things to yourself. And see that all God says, is fact. 

      So test it. Have fun. But don't ignore the truths you may find.

      1. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Scientist are not ruling the unknown out.  And deferring to religion as the truth is nothing more than blind faith.  One can draw a religious conclusion without ever conducting any experiments.   Nothing gained!

        Why not just let the unknown be unknowable at this time, instead of saying it is God?  That's what scientist do.

        If science appears to support the bible, it is purely coincidently.  I ignore it because it's just another desperate attempt to prove an illogical premise.

        1. TMMason profile image72
          TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The whole point of science, is to know.

          The the whole point I am stating is God said to check and make sure his word was truth.

          So when you find something in conflict with science, let me know.

          1. getitrite profile image80
            getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            One glaring contradiction to science happens right in the book of Genesis


            The Creation
            1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

            2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

            3  ¶ And God said, Let there be light: 2 Cor. 4.6 and there was light.

            4  And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

            5  And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

            6  ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

            7  And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

            8  And God called the firmament Heaven. 2 Pet. 3.5 And the evening and the morning were the second day.

            9  ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

            10  And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

            11  And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

            12  And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

            13  And the evening and the morning were the third day.

            14  ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

            15  and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

            16  And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also

            Genesis 1:1-16


            How did God wait three days before creating the sun?  The sun is the day.  No sun-no day, Right?! You must have a clever explanation for this.

            1. TMMason profile image72
              TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              God would need a sun to have light?

              No.

              The sun is for man and the earth. As science supports.

              Not god.

              He has his own light to work within.

              Two different lights, but they both let you see clearer.

              1. getitrite profile image80
                getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                This is ridiculous!!!

                I thought you were talking science.  This response is completely unscientific.  You have no argument for your position.  Your answer was the predictable delusional nonsense that is just totally made up.  First your god was made up, then these insane attributes followed.  You are just trying to trick me into thinking you are logical.  Try explaining the science behind your answer. Please.

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                  thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Okay let's talk science.

                  Show me the Big Bang, life from non-life, Any hard evidence for evolution. Any. We have the same facts, The same earth and the same science we it comes to observational science, so it's interpretation vs interpretation.

                  Fact 1: The universe had a beginning

                  Fact 2: The Second Law of Thermodynamics  is Fact

                  Fact 3: We would be here if there was infinite regression of Causes

                  Conclusion: There must be an uncaused cause. I believe based on the facts that God is the uncaused that created everything from nothing.

                  You can either use logic to say nothing created everything(0+0=1), matter is eternal(disproved-entropy and the second law of Thermodynamics) or there is a uncaused caused created everything(proven through the Law of Causality) either way logic and faith are required.  We know things can only produced after it’s kind, we know life only comes from life. I believe in God based on what I know you’re an atheist because of what you don’t know. Was your brain designed or a product or random chance? Why do you trust your thoughts?

                  1. TMMason profile image72
                    TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Thank you, truth.

                    I think that gives a glimpse of the science. I told you there is science to support the claim of the truth of the Bible, just as there is for Evolution, Origin of life, and the Universe.

                    I am not trying to trick you, just open your thinking. Don't dismiss something without any proof it should be dismissed.

                  2. getitrite profile image80
                    getitriteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    And, Still, the bible is a lie!!!  You have not proven that Genesis is not a glaring contradiction of the very science you are touting.  No evolution theory required.  These are things we can see.

  18. Arthur Fontes profile image90
    Arthur Fontesposted 7 years ago

    I believe in Jesus he delivers parts to us nice enough fella.

  19. TMMason profile image72
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    I don't mind Jesus jokes. I would think he knows what humor is. God also.

    1. Arthur Fontes profile image90
      Arthur Fontesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      TMMason  I hope so I am not sure how to spell blasphemour.

      1. TMMason profile image72
        TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes I know he does. Or I am screwed also?

  20. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    OK! Have a wonderful evening, everyone.  Thanks for the debate.

    1. TMMason profile image72
      TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Have a good nite getitrite

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    thetruthhurts2009posted 7 years ago

    Most of your reply is gibberish Q ,but I’m glad to see you dropped the starving kids angle you were starting to look desperate. If you want to see how many scientific facts are in the bible google it or just click here:

    http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scienti … bible.html

  22. dfunzy profile image60
    dfunzyposted 7 years ago

    "jesus and god?"  Shouldn't there be capitals there? Or is that your message?

    1. dogluver1 profile image61
      dogluver1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No Jesus and God they are pronouns.. oh well lol

 
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