You leave out the Bible. There, He is defined quite vividly and quite well. He is Love; He is Spirit; He is Truth; He is Alpha, Omega, the First and the Last; He is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; He is Jealous; He is Everlasting; He is......
Brenda: Thank you for responding. All of what you have offered is but opinion. The bible is a monotheistic writing. I did not leave it out. There is no definition of the biblical god that factually defines it in biblical scripture in terms other than opinion. I appreciate you. Qwark
in all actuality my reality is created from my intellectuality, no fatality a divine mentality and vitally still standing mightily keeping my dignity standing on the side of me, rightfully making my mark in society, I'm highly creative your slyly debated, apparently we were born to be hated, but we're all related, literally brothers and sisters considerably, so understand every syllable given from me!!!
The Holy Bhagwat Gita, Holy Vedas, Holy Ramayana. Holy Guru Granth Sahib, Holy Bible, Holy Quran all describe god as the Light.An ommipresent, omnipotent and omniscient entity which is mans true or inner self.
Mohit: Are you providing this info as what you think is considered to be a "factual" definition of this god thing? "light?" is the definition of god? Obviously,that can't be accepted as being anything but "opinion." Why did you even offer it?
Mohit: My question is clear and perfectly presented in English. is English your native language? If it is, respectfully, you need more education. If it is not I apologize and will try to clarify it for you...whew.
I must admit, Mohit, I'm with you on this. Most people (including most people in the East) know next-to-nothing of Buddhist, Hindu, and Taoist writings.
Anyone would swear the only conception of God comes out of the Middle-East (Muslim, Jewish, and Christian).
But this is not true at all.
In fact the religions coming out of India (well, Hinduism, and Buddhism, specifically) contain theology that makes quite a lot of sense (I am not talking about all the myths and fables, gods with elephant heads, etc. I guess I mean Buddhism in particular... and Tao too).
Mmm, yes, but I am not sure how symbolically millions of Hindus take these things. The same could be said of the Gospels. There is for example a movement to see the Easter Story as symbolic, and very interesting it is too, but clearly many people on here would not accept this as valid "truth."
There are no scriptures or anything else that can define what GOd is. We do not possess the ability to observe God as being something seperate from everything. We can observe enough of existence to hold a firm belief in the intent, design and desire for life that is the universe. The intent exists, the design exists and certainly the desire for life exists. The nature of these things is what is unattainable for us. The Bible and any text are subject to individual interpretation and are only meaningful as such. Whether it's Christianity or any other belief system. An individuals interpretation of there own place in existence is just that, it's there own. We will all believe what we choose to believe, and in each belief system there are tools to help you through life. What someone else believes God to be will never be what anyone else believes GOd to be, your life, and what you believe are for you alone.
well i would apologize for not having a better word to describe what i think God means, but generally, I think of God outside of things like gender or type. I tend to think it encompasses all parts of our universe, so that is why i asked.
People think God is "real" because of the evidence of intent when we observe our existence. The evident design in the systems that allow us to be, is hard evidence that whatever you want to call this, it's on purpose. People are compelled to a firm belief system. Having a "God", allows the process of life without the annoying unanswerable questions. However you label your interpretation for the understanding that we and the universe are intentional by design, the belief of a created existence is hard to deny as long as you don't claim to know how it was created.
I define God as being that which is "responsible" ( though I don't claim to know how) for existence, all that is known, unknown, real and imagined. God is not something one person can "explain" to another. What I mean when I say "God" will never mean the same thing as anyone elses meaning of the word. I feel you are looking for something that isn't anywhere close to where you are searching. Good luck.
hey at some point there was something that made the things we all see and feel as we call earth but it is just one reality we live in and conscious of etc .. god well we are all gods in our mini universe's we create life and how we like it to be thought of the mind and then becomes manifestation in other words where attention goes magic flows simple !!!! ;0)
Since I am assuming you are talking about Christianity then: "the kingdom of God is WITHIN" Jesus Christ.
He was meaning that God is inside everybody. God is an ultimate consciousness and right brain thinking. It comprises of intuition, wisdom, third eye, seeing the bigger picture, knowing your SELF and highest potential of the SELF.
Religion claims you need to look outside of yourself to find God which is false, that's why most people who are religious are often confused about who THEY are, and it stunts their spiritual growth, so to speak. If they don't find out the truth then their intelligence and wisdom will remain the same age as it was when they started following this religion....
repstrydiefly: Before I can respond to what you offer as being "truth," you must provide me with a factual definition of this "god" thing you mention. If you can't do that, I can only assume that you are not a credible "hubber" ref. the subject. It would seem, to me at least, that you are a highly imaginative and easily led "believer." You have lots of company.
I never claimed it to be true, I was assuming that you took it to be true, because you didn't respond. Either that or, as you said, I don't deserve a conversation on these forums. It was simply an opinion and something that I have found throughout my seeking. Obviously it's not something that you find in a book or anything of that nature. Spirituality IS God. It's as simple as that. Every religion either worships a Sun God, which is false, or the Spirituality of the self, which is what we need. Think about it God+an extra O=GOOD, Devil-D=EVIL. Your either good or evil. That's what the war has been since the beginning of mankind. Heaven=bliss, Hell=eternity in lake of fire (SUN), Sun of God. Research and actually seek yourself before denying my opinion on what is true. Sometimes you need to realize something in the SELF, before it will make sense, and not just words in a book. I have awakened my God knowledge and wisdom, and I hope you do the same...
repstrydiefly: I repeat, you must factually define this god thing you mention before I can consider "it" and respond knowledgeably. At this point in the forum, I can only presume that you can't and are tapdancing. I will not respond to any more comments by you unless you can provide a factual definition of this god thing. May the "force" be with you. :-)
I don't believe what people have told me all of my life. I don't follow any organized beliefs or religion. I have found what I found and to me it is true, but to you it may be an opinion, and I change my mind a lot when it comes to this subject. You haven't proved me wrong, so it is what I still find to be the truth...
BL: The God? You have to define this god thing for me b4 I can consider it. I've studied your bible. Is the biblical god thing what you have ref to? There is no scripture that "factually" defines this biblical god thing, so if you can't do that for me I guess our "hubbing" is finished...:-) Thanks for responding tho..:-)
You may indeed understand it very well Crash, but still your understanding is incomplete, for if it was not then you would not be an Atheist.
The first one who said "I am", is the one who came from nothing and became all things.
Since this statement is seemingly illogical, Atheist use it as the foundation of their faith or lack thereof.
But it can be easily and simply proven that this is the most logical of statement. This I will only share with others whom I perceive is able to receive it in private, for it is the way of the enemy to trample upon pearls.
There is an even more simple logical truth which all men are aware of in their minds but easily ignored in their living,
This truth is the foundation of all the knowledge of God.
This truth is that only by goodness all things lives and exist perpetually. And truth ensure the purity of this Goodness.
All those who believe this enough to live it, will know God. For God is this Goodness.
Sneak, Intimat and Kess: Can ya provide me, any of you, with a definition of this god thing in any monotheistic scripture that factually defines it? If ya can't then, jeez, I can only think that you can offer opinions and conjecture....right? Pls, any one, enlighten this seeker with facts...and I'll convert this moment..Ok? :-)
Thank you for the wonderful opportunity to reply, but however I do not usually continue on with a one sided thread. I especially do not like confrontation about backdoor theories, and pothole filled opinions. Sorry, it seems to me, that there is really nothing to debate. Like was said earlier, nothing will please you here. It goes back to saying, "I am that I am."
I feel,its all nothing but a big run around. I do like some of your topics, and hopefully we will have the opportunity to engage at a future date and time. Thanks again.
Then don't worry Quark, for when you meet with God you will understand, until then you are obviously disadvantaged in that you cannot perceive that which is all around you to be anything other than a chance occurrence that just happened to be wonderfully and beautifully made.
Personally I think it worth the effort to meet with God before you have to, but each to his or her own.
I spent 41 years avoiding Him, but thankfully we got together and it's all turned out fine.
Hi Aqua: Tell ya what, If you can provide scripture from any monotheistic writings that defines this god thing, you believe in, factually i.e really existing, I will seriously consider "it" and decide if I want to get involved. Fair? Go for it. :-)
to define God is to limit one's understanding of it, no? If i found a scripture saying that God was a cheesecake, would you then start to praise the cheesecake and forget the rest of the world? i don't think you would.
This sort of condescending statement is what causes friction, aquasilver. Have you read nothing I have written? You just stop by to leave a negative comment? Or are you just trying to start another fight?
The last fight that you are preying for jesus to come back and fight for you instead of getting into the world and making it a better place, perhaps?
Why do you prefer to cause friction and prey for a final conflict?
The definition of god in the Bible is the being who created the universe that we're in, and everything in it. You might not believe that the universe was created (since, you know, random explosions often result in intricate universes), but that IS the definition of God found in the Bible. There are other names and symbolic ideas, as Brenda mentioned...these are in addition to the original definition.
My point, really, though, is that yours is just a theory too. You happen to believe it, which is fine... thank God for a free country. But it is just a theory. It is certainly not a fact on a par with say, gravity, or If I push you You will feel It
Well that clears up why your religious morals suck...... and you believe this rubbish. Say what you will, you can but say what you are! You do not worry because it is all ending? And that's a good thing? Do you spot something wrong here?
They define plenty, Quark. In the beginning, God is & everything else follows. Accept it or do not accept it. Denigrate it if you wish.
But, I echo IntimatEvolution. I will not engage in a debate that is set up to be confrontational since no answer I provide will be deemed as acceptable to your quest for a "factual" definition of "this god thing".
Ken: What makes you feel that I would stoop to debating that which has no foundation upon which to make an argument? Debate includes argument. To win an argument one must produce fact/proofs...they don't exist in ref to this god subject. To debate the subject "god" would be the act of a fool.. I am saying that just because this god thing is mentioned in a very corrupted writing with the name "bible," it can't be used as a factual definition. ok?
Quark - We would have a difficult time having a coherant discussion in a forum such as this because we are coming at the topic from polar opposite positions.
You say the Bible is "a very corrupted writing". Before we go any farther, I'd ask for documentation for this statement. You might point me to books or articles to support your view that'd require me to either look at them seriously or dismiss them.
Then, you'd ask me for documentation for my view of the Bible as an infinite book given by an infinite God, & I would point you to weighty & scholarly tomes that would require you to choose to look at them seriously or dismiss them.
So, if we do that, then a month from now, after we have both studied each other's documentation, we might have some common ground to proceed with a discussion/debate, but do either of us have the time or inclination to pursue that course?
Since we just met each other on this thread & presumably your life is as full as mine, I kind of doubt it.
I wish you well in your pursuit as a seeker. And face to face over a coffee we'd likely hammer out some common ground to stand on, but in this forum, with others jumping in with their thoughts, it'd likely be close to impossible.
Ken: Quite correct. I would suggest tho that you go back and study the various codex's, the vulgate, the writings of erasmus during the dark ages, the story of the king James version, and all the various languages that the OT has been interpreted from and to. it has been corrupted in too many ways and manners to describe in this short forum piece. I'd also suggest that you go back to about 500 AD and study the influence the roman catholic church had upon religious belief during the "Dark Ages" and study the influence of the 21 ecumenical councils on what you consider to be the word of god. Is that a good starting place?
God said that "I AM" He is so many things that no one can see or understand ALL that he is. Like looking at a mountain from where we stand. It takes effort to see all that there is to see from our own door step. The other side of the mountain may have have grand waterfalls while I see only snow. Who is correct when describing what they see? And when two people are looking at the mountain from the same location, one may not see something that the other doesn't.When that happens you can draw attention to it, for the others benefitt.
And some people can see nothing no matter how long we point at it.
Your God is unique to my God, because you have a different mind, body, and soul than me. So I am glad that you don't want to be awakened by MY God, because that would mean that you are trying to be me... Live life to YOUR own potential.
You don't believe he was a man living on Earth that walked around and taught things to people? Or you don't believe that he was sucked into the air and will come back 2000 years later(I don't believe that)?
tantrum- what do you mean he was no "Christ". That indeed is his last name, unless there is a deeper meaning to the word "Christ" that I don't know about? All I know is that he taught many positive things about spirituality to just be forgotten about...
tantrum-ok well we learn something new everyday. I don't think any question is a dumb question as we learn everyday. Thanks for enlightening me on that. I am not a Christian but still what does last name have to do with teachings? and what is so wrong with "anointed"?
We all are searching for our ultimate consciousness every day we live our life. Jesus just knew how to get there very well. His teachings are wonderful if you gave them the time and the chance. What is the reason why you don't even have the urge to seek? What or who made you believe that there is no spirituality or consciousness?
who said there's no spirituality ? I'm spiritual in another kind of way. I don't need a God. You have everything mixed up! And who said I don't seek ?? For what I see, I seek in places you haven't been.
tantrum- ok now we're talking. I believe every individual's spirit or soul is their own god, for they hold their own spiritual potential. I may think of it in a different way than you but it's still all the same. What do you mean "another kind of way"? What places do you seek that I don't? Please elaborate because I am interested.
I am convinced due to the totally mind-blowing intricacy and wonder of it all! How everything is perfectly designed to function and how it all interacts and can relate to other parts and other life forms in the jigsaw of life - it is simply far too amazing to be accidental! How life itself is everywhere and how life is able to sense and create and reproduce itself. For there not to be a creator or creators behind all this makes very little sense to my way of thinking!
This would lead one to understand - God? is in question.
God is a man-made concept, developed from a lack of knowledge. God is a control concept, meant to give people direction in life. God is a manipulation concept, meant to prevent chaos.
The God concept is responsible for the dishonesty and plight of many peoples' lives.
The God concept isn't any more real than that of Santa Clause. The God concept is an imaginary system of control, by getting people to freely manipulate themselves into believing God has the answers for their life.
Unfortunately, this couldn't be further from the truth. The TRUTH of the matter is - You and You alone can control and/or guide your own life. There is not to be any higher authority over your life, ever.
Cagsil- That's what I have been trying to explain all along. That there is no God outside the self but every individual holds their own "God potentials" which means they can believe in theirselves and do whatever they want to do in this life..
I feel a lot better telling myself there is God who watches over me, hence, I conduct myself in a way pleasing to Him. That way I seldom run in tangle with another. This makes me a better person believing in God rather than believing that no one is in control of me at all.
I'm thinking that this is one of those forum questions where everyone is going to argue and have hurt feelings, and no one is going to just live and let live. So I plan to post this comment and then move about my merry way, without referring back to see who got offended, as without a doubt, there is always at least one person who disagrees with anything (if not everything) being said.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. All the roads lead up the mountain. Whether you give the credit to "the Source of all Energy," "Buddha," "God," or WHATEVER, I am convinced it is all the same thing. (My pastor disagrees).
My opinion thus far (seeing as how we are all expressing ourselves openly here....)is that as long as you live in a loving way toward every living thing, you can't go wrong. Let your emotions be your inner guidance and if your conscience feels right, you are heading in the right direction.
If it helps you to believe in a "God," then do so. I do. No one should judge another person based on their belief system. Those of us who believe in the Lord know that it is not our place to place judgment on others.
The reality is that there as many diffrent realities on this planet as there are individuals. Many people's reality is joblessness, more has a reality of hunger, and some people have a reality of sitting in their hot tub drinking their PIN colada waiting for the maid to say that dinner is ready. If we were living under a bridge with a family of five we would look at philosophy a little diffrently.
It's difficult for me to read some of the responses to my original question. It's hard for me to believe that responders have no idea what the term "monotheism" refers to. I could have said there is no definition in the bible, qur'an, torah or the new testament that factually defines this god thing. Lets just go with that then, keep it simple, and see what kind of responses I get.
qwark- There will be no "proof" that YOU in particular will be able to soak in unless you open your mind. That being said, there is also no "proof" that any individual could provide that there is not a "God". Never opening your mind to people's opinions is a negative way to seek the truth as YOU will only believe thoughts that YOUR mind manifests. Have you read the whole Bible, Koran, or any other book of religious philosophy that explain a God figure of any sort? If not then I suggest you do so to get your research, but the only way it can be done is with an ultimately OPEN MIND... Be ready to be proven wrong, just as you should wherever you go, because you as a human do not know everything about life... I explained my opinion of the God thing straight from wisdom in a way I thought you would understand but you just "turned the other cheek" to my answer and didn't even question it...You need to ask further questions after the first one that you asked (which nobody seems to be able to satisfy with a response you want), to find out further information on this topic... Your only hitting the "surface" of everybody's responses but apparently refuse to "dig deeper"
tantrum- I never said anybody was "wrong". I just stated that he will never find anything out being close-minded. That's all I was intending. Is it ever "wrong" to give advice to another intellectual? I hope not but I know that I always keep an open mind...
tantrum- my open mind is reading everybody's responses and understanding what they have to say. that is something that qwark has apparently failed to do, which is obvious because he asked the question in the first place...
lol who said I "know" the answer. I simply gave my opinion on a "god" thing, and I understand what everybody else is saying no matter what religion, believers or non-believers (since they are all religions). That is considered an open mind. It is not bashing on somebody for believing differently without providing proof they are wrong. The only way to change somebody's mind is to prove them wrong, right? So I guess my question is, can you prove to me whether or not there is a "god" being, spirit, entity, or whatever you want to call it? No!! nobody can prove it's existence in the material and physical sense just like nobody can prove it doesn't exist. So that being the case, unless you keep an open mind to what EVERYBODY has to say, you will just be trapped in your own way of thinking, which made this question completely pointless to be asked in the first place...
REps: I'm sorry, I can't respond to that intellectually. You mention this god thing and I don't know what it is. Once you and I can agree that there is a god thing to consider, by definition, I will be more than happy to "chat" with you about it. Until that can be provided it would be an act of futility to discuss it..ok?
reps: Pls provide a definition of this god thing that factually defines it ...once we have that and I can consider "it" as a reality, then we can "hub" about "it's" potential powers and influence..is that fair?:-)
The only problem here is you are attacking the solution to the answer, by first acknowledging the existence of a high entity or whatever you want to call it. You are talking about it, as if it is true, already.
This isn't to be the case in life. We don't assume there is a higher power, when it cannot be proven. You, as a human being, are not to form a believe on something unproven or not of truth.
The biggest problem is people continue to talk about the "GOD" concept, as though it's real. When they have no proof, even to provide themselves, that it truly exists.
Hi Reps: My goodness! How in the world did you get the idea I was looking for proof/s of anything? That was a very long harangue which had nothing to do with my question. Now relax, take a deep breath and go back, revue the question and see if you can respond with a logical well thought out and presented response...Ok? Good man!
tantrum- it is not so much important to me as it is just enlightening a fellow intellectual on the correct spelling of a word. It has nothing to do with pleasure. I know if I misspelled a word, it would be spectacular for somebody to correct me..
Thousands of years ago people tried their best to understand their surroundings. I just think that any recorded knowledge should be examined if you are continue to pose the same questions. You do not have to believe but you just cannot dismiss that there might be beneficial knowledge contained in the Tomes of antiquity.
There is no god but ALLAH because It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. It is interesting to notice that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister language of Arabic.
Besides which, it is a circular statement. Allah is the WORD for God, in a language other than English. Nothing else can be called table except for tables. Of course you could name your dog "table", but it doesn't mean it is a table
So, this is not much of a theological argument: God's name is x, therefore y cannot be called x... I mean, I'd need a bit more meat than that, to be honest.
There are referances in the bible, regarding future predictions..The micro chip was predicted long before electricity was even invented, how would one be able to predict such things if they could not foresee the future?
Oh Q, what are we ever going to do with you. It's all there in black and white. The letters which spell 'microchip' can be found thousands of times throughout the good book. You need to learn how to interpret the bible. I suggest you go to a fine pastor right away so he can point out the verses and explain their meanings to you
Fat: I am disgusted at the depth of the lack of info and understanding being exhibited in these forums..:-( But hey, weathers been bad last few days, what better way to entertain oneself than to "play" in the forums with a steaming hot cuppa hot coffee next to the PC? :-)
qwark- also I forgot to mention that you seem to have more of a close-minded attitude than most ignorant believers of any religion that I try to converse with, but it is possible to change that at any moment...
A young man wanted to learn the practice of Zen. He had read all the books he could find about Zen. Then he heard about a great Zen master who was considered very knowledgeable and wise. The young man requested and appointment with him to ask for teachings.
When they were seated, the young man proceeded to tell the master everything he had understood from his reading, saying that Zen is about this and Zen is about that, on and on... The master listened patiently to every thing the young man talked about.After some time, when the young man had finished his part of telling, the master suggested that they have tea.
The Zen master performed the traditional tea ceremony while the student sat at attention, bowing when served, saying nothing. The master began to pour tea into the student's cup. He poured until it was full, and kept pouring. The young man was watching with intent.
The tea ran over the edge of the cup and onto the table. The master kept pouring.
The young became restless.
The tea ran over the edge of the cup, on to the table and onto the floor. But the master kept pouring. It was too much for the young man.Finally, the student could not contain himself any longer. He shouted, "Stop! Stop pouring!"
The master stopped pouring and looked at young man but said nothing.
"The cup is full- no more will go in!" The young man said bowing.
"What shall be do to let more tea in?" the master asked.
"we need to empty the cup." The young man answered quickly.
The master kept the vessel aside. He motioned the young man to be seated and offered him the tea. As they drank tea the master said, "Just like this cup, your mind is full of your own opinions and preconceptions. How can you learn anything unless you first empty your cup?" http://ezinearticles.com/?Keep-An-Open- … ;id=267259 A good story
Fact: Spirit aka God aka Intuition aka Allah aka Third Eye aka Higher Self aka The Sixth Sense aka Wisdom=Certain part of brain used for seeing things in different point-of-view that has nothing to do with physical or material reality, but ultimate bliss and knowledge and understanding of the world or a spiritual reality which manifests the physical reality that we can prove through simply our 5 normal senses. The right side of the brain, if accessed, allows each individual to experience this state, taking that individual out of the false material reality that we seem to know to a higher dimension and a deeper "knowing" of the universe and the answers to how it is created from our higher brain or quantum reality manifesting into the material reality.
reps: rotfl! I ask for a logical, well reasoned response and you ,passionately, provide opinion and conjecture. I have judged you as not being a credible "hubber" ref. the subject of my question and will no longer respond to you. Thanks for trying..:-)
He Is Invisible We can know Him apart from our physical senses
Just about everybody knows that a spirit cannot be seen. We cannot even see a human spirit. The most intimate of friends cannot see each other’s spirit and none of us can see God. Paul called Him “the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15), and “the King eternal, immortal, invisible” (1 Timothy 1:17).
John assured us that “no man has seen God at any time” (John 1:18). Mortal men have seen visible manifestations which God used to reveal Himself to them and to communicate with them, as when God the Son took human form in a Bethlehem manger. But they have never seen Him fully in His spiritual being. There is no way they could. Spirits are invisible.
Rather than spooking us out, that can be a very comforting truth. Because God is invisible, not only can we know Him, but we can know Him apart from our physical senses. We do not have to see Him or feel Him to know Him. We have spirits too, you see. God is spirit, but we have spirits housed within our physical bodies. And when our spirits are made alive toward God through the new birth, we have the capacity to commune with Him in our spirits, anytime, anywhere, and under any circumstances.
Communion with God does not depend on external things because it takes place internally in the spiritual part of our being. That was the point of Jesus’ comment to the woman at the well. Since God is spirit we must worship Him in spirit. Worship is not primarily a matter of physical location, surroundings, form, ritual, liturgy, or ceremony. It is not a matter of creating a certain kind of mood or atmosphere. It is a matter of spirit. Worship is the response of our spirits to God’s revelation of Himself.
is difficult for us to grasp this truth since our spirits live in physical bodies and our physical bodies inhabit a physical universe. Our occupation with the physical makes us try to put our relationship with God into that same realm. We want to be inspired to worship Him by lavish cathedrals, great art, pleasant sounds, lovely aromas, and beautifully worded liturgies. Our human natures cry out for religious symbols, images, and pictures to help us create a mood for worship. We think we have to be in a church building and follow certain prescribed procedures. God says, “You cannot reduce me to physical things that can be experienced with your senses. I dwell in the realm of spirit and that is where I want to meet with you.” Physical things may direct our attention to God, particularly things He has made. But we meet with Him in our spirits. We can enjoy Him riding to work in the car, pushing the vacuum cleaner through the living room, walking from one class to another, or anywhere else. We know Him and enjoy Him in the spiritual realm, apart from the physical senses.
It was at that point in the conversation that Jesus said something about God which had never been clearly stated before. The truth was apparent from what had been revealed in the Old Testament, but it had never been put into plain words. “God is spirit,” He declared, “and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth” (John 4:24).
cags: Yep! History has shown it inspires man to act out like the murderous god thing that, according to "scripture" created us in "its" image. The writings of the bible has been the cause of human mutilation, death and destruction and it continues today!
Cagsil- You know just like a brain creates a work of poetry or a sculpture. Without a brain those creations wouldn't have been manifested. Without a brain the "god" thing would have never been thought of. All of this talk about religious writings and God and all that supernatural nonsense originated in somebody's brain and were CREATED into material writings, sculptures, or poetry.
This isn't the argument. The true argument is based on people making "GOD" appear as if it's real, when it's not. Then spreading the supposed message of "GOD", as though it's fact. When it's obviously not factual or truthful.
I am of the understanding, that humankind wasn't always conscious beings. This means that many people never knew that they lived full healthy lives. They only realize their existence, on their death bed. Because, death forces consciousness, before ceasing to exist. If you walked around your entire life, lead by the right-side of your brain, you would be no better than the animals guided by nature.
Exactly, but that's why we need to create a balance of use between our right and left sides of our brains for if we only utilized the left-side then there would be no such thing as the beauty of art and things of that nature. If we only utilized the right hemisphere then we would be living in a fantasy land...
And religion=hypnotization of the right side of the brain, of course, so for some people it will be nearly impossible to get them out of the fairy tale trance they are in. The brain could be a prison or a paradise, it's all on how you perceive it.
Arthur- Why would you mention Eastern Philosophy? I have studied all their points of view and they all manifest from somebody's brain into their train of thought then onto paper or into their wisdom. It all goes back to the brain.
Cagsil- Yes but the average sheeple that are being mind-conrolled by TV and what not, will never be able to grasp the true concept behind religion and the reasoning behind symbolism and things of that nature without opening their mind.
Cagsil- If you understood right-brain thinking then you would understand the response that I just posted about God being something manifested from the brain. An fictional idea, just like anything fictional that somebody thought of and put in a book.
I learned about the "right-side" part of our Two-Chamber brain. And, Yes, I get what you're saying. Unfortunately, "GOD" the pathetic concept is already believed by billions to be a realized, rationalize, figure.
If people truly understood HOW the "GOD" concept came to be, then maybe they would be able to see the truth behind the hoax known as religion.
It's a sad attempt, to understand life, to give up your free will, to an external authority, other than oneself. It clearly shows people refuse to be self-responsible or unwilling to accept their life for what it is, than what it is not. They are more with believing that life goes on, after they die, because it gives them comfort for living, even if it is false, they are still willing to follow, because they cannot rationalize any other answer.
And, not everything I said, was directed toward you. It's important for you to know- I do agree with what you said, but I still think there is more too it.
Thought is real. If someone thinks and has thoughts that God exists then in that persons mind it is true. The person genuinely has the thought. Whether or not is a reality will not change the thought process of the individual. Over time education of the masses might obviate these omnipotent thoughts. Until then no one has any authority to determine what another thinks.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. A person can have an individual thought, regardless of "how" it was generated, doesn't make it real. Thoughts are real, but not all thoughts are objective, unless gained thru introspection.
The thought process can be skewed by outside influences, if one refuses to be self-responsible about their own thoughts. When a thought runs through your mind, that thought is instantly pondered to the point, maybe, of finding truth in the thought. Your individual conscience will be the guide.
However, any form of creative thought, such as something outside of our objective reality is created by the right-side of the brain and must be translated and reasoned by the left-side, BEFORE it is become real or part of reality.
Sanity, rationale and meaning are required to form a simple belief, which is formed by thoughts, emotions and action.
I don't think it is a requirement of any branch of faith to prove to the common man, or unbeliever, of the existence of their deity. That connection can be made only be whole heartedly and genuinely dedicating yourself to learning the traditions of whatever branch of faith you have questions about.
You cannot understand a devout christian until you've been a devout christian.
You cannot understand a buddhist monk until you've spent some time in a buddhist monastery.
An atheist cannot be understood by a man who walks with God.
Abandon your grip on your own beliefs temporarily and you may learn of the existence, or proof, of another's God.
You might even, perhaps learn more about your own beliefs.
What do you mean by this? It's a little redundant and hard to understand.
I think what you mean is, suspending your own beliefs isn't a requirement to being Christian but accepting the undetectable as real. In that case I would say that, it's not about suspending your own beliefs, but experiencing the Christian faith first hand. What a Christian would call God, is in fact very visible. It's all around us. I'm not Christian (anymore) but I understand that ethic as it relates to all belief systems.
Well i wouldn't call religion slavery at all. I think that there are people who use religion to manipulate others, and so there are evil people in religion, but [i think] religion itself is nothing but ancestral tales to explain natural and supernatural phenomena. There are plenty of Christians, Buddhists, Muslims and Catholics who think for themselves. When one follows a religion, to be informed, one usually learns about other religions in order to understand the connection they have with others. It is only those that stay within the boundaries of their own religion that are slaves.
I've seen many Christians pray at Buddhist monestaries. I've seen Muslims sharing debates with atheists. I pray commonly with Muslims, though I am not Muslim.
So the various religions are just hobbies, clubs, or social committees.
I don't think it is a requirement of any hobby to prove to the common man, or unbeliever, of the existence of their passion to watch birds, climb mountains, collect stamps, worship coffee, etc. That connection can be made only be whole heartedly and genuinely dedicating yourself to learning the traditions of whatever hobby or committee you have questions about.
Abandon your grip on your own passions temporarily and you may learn of the existence, or proof, of another's passion which contrasts yours!
No it's not that a religion is a hobby. I'm saying that following one religion but studying and engaging in others might leave one a little more informed about the one religion they follow.
I'm just a man, I can't show you. I think you have to want to see it. For example, monotheistic religions generally state that God exists in all things. Your body, your mind, your home, your car, the clouds, life, air, breath, things; God IS all these things [is what i think is being posited]. Asking other men to show you God is useless. Only you can understand for your self what God is.
Belief itself makes it a reality to the believer. The reason people do this, i think is generally to cope with their existence, to find reason, to find comfort in eventuality. To bring order to chaos. What is real to you has little to do with what is real to me, i think.
Pretty: "Love" is just a word man has created to describe "attraction." Man has evolved as a conscious, social creature, along with that comes a desire to "stick together, for the survival of all. "Love is a many splendored thing." It also describes ones need for another in ref to procreation...it goes on and on. "Love" (attraction) is intrinsic and programmed into the human gene.
not really. i think computers are inorganic people. computers are built with limited capabilities of a human. memory, computation. and like humans, they are ripe with error.
What makes us human is an inexplicable chaos and order unraveling inside. Not limited to such terms as computation. Even mathematics is a system of imagined measurement in order to understand the universe. There in lies God.
proof of God is the need to understand him, which is the very basis of this topic, is it not?
Wesley; What are "inorganic people?" " ...proof of God is the need to understand him, which is the very basis of this topic, is it not?" No it is not. the "basis" of the topic is If this biblical god thing is not defined, factually, in scripture, what is it and why do so many accept "it" as being a reality. Now pls re-think and try again...ok ? Thanks :-)
Wesley: Hostile? Me? Hardly. I am brutally honest in my questioning. If you can't handle the "heat" in the kitchen, you know where the door is. I ask "hard" questions and expect hard answers, Not attempts to insult. By the way, I cannot be insulted. I don't allow anyone to do that. if I did, it would because it would be my "will" to allow you to that. Try again without pugnacity..Thanks..:-)
You've said your usage of "reality" is: not imaginary.
Your usage of factual is: ?
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