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Faith

  1. David2423 profile image61
    David2423posted 7 years ago

    How deep is your faith in believing that everyday Christ guides us through good times and bad times?That he will and can provide for us.

    1. h.a.borcich profile image60
      h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      During good times it is easy to believe God is at work in my life. When the bad times have been predominant I know He is near and that I have an opportunity to trust Him more. The troubled times have deepened my faith more than the easy times.
      Just my opinion, Holly

    2. SandyMcCollum profile image78
      SandyMcCollumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My faith is strong, I fully believe. He's done things I hadn't thought would ever happen for me and I'm entirely grateful.

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Impossible. That is, unless you believe Christ is purposely allowing thousands of children to starve every day. If he provides for you, then he is spending all his time on you and ignoring those children.

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Still stuck on that?  You might want to go feed some starving children yourself and see what a difference you can make. 

        Better yet, why not give up your home, your bike, your special things, sell all your stuff and give it to them.

        What?  No, not gonna do it?  Why not?  I did it twice. smile

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          you did it twice, some people will never do it. I have never done it.
          That doesn't change the facts.
          If he provides for you, he's neglecting the others.
          Or do you have enough money to take care of everyone ?

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            sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What fact is that?  If everyone did then there wouldn't be starving children but like you said, it doesn't change the facts that most wont do it. 

            The saying goes, that when you do God will give you back more.  So when the second time came around, I had more to give. smile And when the third time comes around I will have given even more.

            If he provides for me, then it is expected of me to provide for others.  That is something I do because I know it is good, others have a lot more then me to give but don't give anything at all.

            So you can blame it on God if you want to but apparently God had provided for those most capable of having more then enough to give and others who haven't much to give, give more then we should.

            You work it out. smile Or in other words, while God has helped you, you have neglected others.

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Wow, you still don't get it. And, now you go off blaming others for the selfish and self-serving Christian hypocrites.

              1. Jerami profile image77
                Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                   This conversation looks like the pot is calling the mirror black.
                We should "ALL" look in the mirror f4om time to time!!

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Jerami, I don't thank gods for my good fortune, hence there is no calling the pot/kettle black. Do you understand?

                  1. Jerami profile image77
                    Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                      But you seem to be worried about the hungry children???

            2. Jerami profile image77
              Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                 Bravo  Sandra.  I have never given up it all.  I do know that the more I give the more plentiful it comes back.  I must confess that it is hard to do when I have very little. That is the hurdle that he would like to see me get over.
                 
                  If I have a handkerchief that I give to God, and say,"Lord I give this to you", and if I hold onto one little corner of it, he can do nothing with it until I let go of what I am holding on to. And then If I let go stand back; walla    a Miracle

              1. David2423 profile image61
                David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this
                1. David2423 profile image61
                  David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  The topic here is faith. thank you all true giving Christians who understand the concept of giving and how God provides for you. So to share a post about Christian giving lets start a forum on that topic.This forum is sharing topics of faith.For all those on their computers Why not give it away to some one who doesnt have one.

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                    (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Still refusing to see the light? God doesn't provide. If he did, there would be no starving children in the world. Kapeesh?

            3. tantrum profile image59
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I don't believe in God, so he hasn't help me. i help myself, thank you !
              and I know a lot of Christians that help other people, and I don't see the get double. Sometimes they get nothing.
              I don't believe in what you believe.
              but if it works for you, you should be helping more times poor people then, and not only twice.

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No, unfeeling and selfish Christians are stuck on that as they continue to thank their gods for their good fortune while completely ignoring the plights of others who do not receive the same good fortune. Do you understand, or do you need to have it explained again?

          The problem is that this grates on you because you know well enough its true and those who claim their good fortune comes from Christ are unfeeling, selfish hypocrites.

          1. David2423 profile image61
            David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            With all do respect your  lack of knowledge besieges your words.It is not Christ that starves those children it is their human aggressors. Is it Not the Christians in numbers that are out putting their lives on the line for such as these to provide for them through Christ. Name other Relgions that lead an outreach of that of the Christians.For you who are not of knowledge feel free to ask me questions more than not if you wish. so I may teach you, you of strong tounge and weak souls.For those in starving countries Christ feels their burden and sends his people in his place to teach and provide.Before you comment research both areas or you may not be able to have access to material Its hard when your doing mission work in those countries after all thats where your at isnt it. probably not. Dont be an arm chair critic of what you do not know. maybe go and serve you might be enlightened by the outcome.

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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              With all due respect, what does my knowledge have to do with anything?



              It is Christ that allows them to starve while the good Christians on this forum are well fed and provided. Do you understand now?



              So what? Lots of people go there to help, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand.



              Mission work has resulted in the destruction and ellimination of at least a few cultures on the planet. 



              First, get a clue to understand what this is about.

              1. Light and Love profile image61
                Light and Loveposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Christ saving us is less literal than your understanding.  It is in the sense that he showed us by example how to BE and how to stop allowing our egos to decide our destiny.  We have a soul underneath the constant chatter that we listen to in our heads.  That soul is who we truly are.  The chatter, that is our ego.  Learn to quiet the chatter and all the answers show themselves.  We ALL already know everything that we sit here and argue about.  Quiet your chatter, and you'll know the truths of this world.

                1. kess profile image61
                  kessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Well said, the teacher is within and who finds him knows all things and can do all things.

                  Men love to believe their own lies, for they desire the things that are without more than Him that is within, and so they have made death their bedmate.

                  1. Light and Love profile image61
                    Light and Loveposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Men are not wrong to believe whatever they wish.  We were given free will.  Many of us simply do not have the understanding to see the truths yet, that is all.  Death is only an end to the body with which our egos reside.  The spirit within, is continuous, and once we have that understanding, there is nothing to fear, and especially not God.  Fear is the problem, it's created by allowing our minds (egos if you prefer) to control us.  The mind is a tool, it is to be used during our stay in our bodies to further creation and spiritual growth.  The problems occur when we think that this tool (our mind) is who we are.  Therefore, when the body dies those who believe that they ARE their ego, they will die too figuratively speaking.  However, those who have this realization know that it is not an end to us, but simply a change.  So, that is all that Jesus was trying to teach the people of this world.  Unfortunately, through the translations, things have been misinterpreted.  We wouldn't need it to be interpreted to us if we find it within ourselves.  Once we find it within ourselves, what Jesus was trying to teach is perfectly clear.  I found it from reading a book, not from anything I ever understood through my religious background, however, it's different for each person.  I know plenty of people who have this understanding, who have attained it through their religion.  It's not more correct to find it one way over another, but it is important to find it at some point during our lives as we are ALL a part of All That Is whether or not we believe it.

                2. DogSiDaed profile image60
                  DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I quite like my 'ego'. It defines me, what I think is who I  am. I couldn't imagine silencing my thoughts for some sort of holy revelation at my soul. So I shall continue to live in sin smile If you count sin as thinking... A few people seem under that illusion tongue

                  1. Light and Love profile image61
                    Light and Loveposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I certainly do not need you to agree with my understanding, but if understanding is what you desire, you will simply not find it through your belief that your ego is who you truly are.  Ego defines itself, and is selfish in all that it does.  Ego is simply your mind taking over your being.  I would agree that yours is strong.  I, however, have not silenced my thoughts to find a "holy revelation at my soul" as you put it, but rather I have realized the truths of the world through quieting my mind.  The clarity I've found speaks for itself.  There is no illusion to the clarity I've found.  It explains every single thing that I have ever understood in this life, and that which I could not understand before.   

                    May All That Is Bless You and keep you close.

            2. David2423 profile image61
              David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I truly believe in giving you are talking to a man that is unemployed has not a dollar to his name  he does give in the name of Jesus. You all talk of earthly riches (I would give but I dont have the money). O you of so little knowledge.If you give your last dollar do you sit and wait till you have more to give. God grants us gifts to share not money.I have nothing to give but the true word of Christ is that not worth more than money to you. For those who Know understand.I can only direct you to the words of the Gospel. Then I will Pray that you receive knowledge pray for that on yoursef also.He talks about the false sense of earthly riches in which it seems you consume yourself in.Because you give of earthly riches is that where you stop?If so you give of self Gratifaction and not of purpose.

              1. profile image60
                (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I'll be sure to pass on Christ's "words" to the starving to see if they can eat them.



                Pray to your Christ to feed the starving for a change. He's done well by you, now it's someone else's turn.

                1. chambersgirl21 profile image60
                  chambersgirl21posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  What makes you think they already dont pray for those children. News Flash Q you do not have all the answers and you do not know the hearts of all Christians, get off your high horse.

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                    (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Wouldn't that make it even worse a hypocrisy than it is already?

                    That would mean that Christ is refusing to feed the starving children and giving everything to you, despite your prayers.

                    Yet, you still thank him. Why?

    4. DogSiDaed profile image60
      DogSiDaedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Dried up riverbed deep smile

    5. nikki1 profile image61
      nikki1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      100% faithfilled ;D

    6. tobey100 profile image61
      tobey100posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I know I joke around alot and take tongue in cheel shots at everything and everybody but..my faith fills me to the toes.  Couldn't get along without it and wouldn't want to.

    7. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He is, logically speaking, not providing at all for the majority of the world, who lives on less than the equivalent of ten dollars a day, but it depends what you mean by "us".

  2. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

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    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL I was going to say +1, but then it would have sounded as if it is greater than ZERO lol

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

  3. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I believe he is watching from a hilltop for when I stray off course. Then he intervenes before I stray too far and am unable to see the path back to safety. He then leads me back home.
      Just like the shepherd that he is.

    1. Judith Gill profile image61
      Judith Gillposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I like that concept. I also remember to ask Him for help, which many of us forget to do, I suspect.

  4. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    And when the grass in lean he leads up to greener pasters.

  5. David2423 profile image61
    David2423posted 7 years ago

    My faith is also strong.To dig a little deeper. when I was unemployed and had not a dime. I never went hungry.Jesus writes about this in Matthew 6:25-34.It was not only the times of ease he provided for me it was at a time of need when then I realized he truly does provide.In faith we will not go hungry we will be sheltered. God knows we need these things and as long as we believe in him he will provide.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

       

      After almost 30 years of self employment I have found that to be true.
        speaking of , lunch is over and I gotta go hand a couple pieces of sheetrock. see ya  Later.

  6. Ken R. Abell profile image84
    Ken R. Abellposted 7 years ago

    Not sure what the scale is to measure faith. :>)  Or if there is even one possible to do so, since walking by faith means a daily sometimes hourly choice to trust God each step of the way.  When we do, faith grows stronger little by little & bit by bit.

    I know that I spend a great deal of time meditating on, thinking through & processing my experiences through the grid or framework of Romans 8:28 - "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

  7. getitrite profile image79
    getitriteposted 7 years ago

    I'm still waiting for him to show up.

  8. Lita C. Malicdem profile image61
    Lita C. Malicdemposted 7 years ago

    My faith runs deeper than the way it was yesterday. That's how strong my faith is that Christ is in control of my life. In good times and in bad, Christ is with me all along.

  9. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Where are the insults? I don't see any.
    But if you think there are, report.
    If you're sure you haven't insulted anybody before, that is!

  10. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    It is much more difficult to plow a 100 acre field than it is to stand on a tree stump and say , "You missed a spot"

  11. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    sorry guys that was my temper tantrum. I'll shudup now and listen

  12. M Cassian profile image61
    M Cassianposted 7 years ago

    Both Q and tantrum have a common misconception. That is that they suppose God or Christ to be limited in the attention that He gives. The fault with this mentality is that Christ, as God, has no limitations. Just because He's blessing someone in Iowa doesn't mean that He can't bless someone in Nigeria at the same time. And you both fail to understand this because you (more likely than not) depend on your own understanding and the finite comprehension of the human mind. How can you say for a FACT that Christ is doing nothing for the starving children? Do you keep track of every last starving child on earth? I don't think so. Do you have intimate knowledge of the goings on in every persons heart and mind? The answer is, "No." For you to suppose that nothing is being done, or blaming christians for taking up God's attention, it is ultimately self-defeating. I would challenge you to do some research, read the bible, talk to christians, and build a case before you start accusing people or deities. If you choose not to accept my challenge, then I would be forced to suppose that when you are accusing these people, you are also accusing yourself of the same things. God's grace be with you!

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I will  forget you wrote all this.
      You are offending me with your misconceptions.
      I have never accuse people or deities. I'm just giving my opinion.
      And I will laugh about it, if not ....

      lol lol lol

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Good !
        Very nice !
        Accusing me of something and then flying away !

        lol lol lol

        1. M Cassian profile image61
          M Cassianposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          tantrum said, "I will  forget you wrote all this.
          You are offending me with your misconceptions.
          I have never accuse people or deities. I'm just giving my opinion.
          And I will laugh about it, if not ...."

          I am sorry for offending you. And I didn't say anything right off the bat because I had just left work. As I am also human, like you, I am still growing. And though it is not an excuse, I have a head cold and my conception muscle isn't quite operating at ideal levels. So I apologize for the misconception. It was mostly directed to another user, and I tangled you up in all of it. So I am sorry.

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            OK
            Forget it!.no big deal
            Anyway you make me laugh,which is good ! smile

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They die of starvation every day. Do you need to see the bodies to make sure they're dead?



      You're right, I don't, but others do. About 25,000 small dead bodies litter the landscape daily, not an easy thing to simply ignore or miss out of hand.



      You're right again, I see their words written here in plain sight, no mind reading required.



      I have done all of that already even though that is completely irrelevant to the claims Christians make on these forums, their words are here for all to see, my friend.

      1. M Cassian profile image61
        M Cassianposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You can't blame Christ for these horrible things. People are simply the victim of bad choices made by other people. People are inherently selfish, even christians. God gave us free will, and with that comes the capacity for stupidity and arrogance. But, it also comes with a choice. A choice as you, Q, are deciding to sit at your computer and write in protest instead of going out into the field yourself. Are you doing all you can to make sure that starving children get to eat?

        The bible says that, "God is willing that none should perish, but that all would come to repentance." God doesn't want children to die. Though God did NOT promise to keep everyone from famine, drought, or disease. This preconceived notion that Christ is supposed to help everyone at all times and make peace between everyone everywhere is ridiculous. Yes, Christ wants to help everyone, but, His help is not available to those who do not seek Him. So there you have your answer as to why there are starving children in the world. There are MILLIONS of christian missionaries out there, and more and more are added to them every day! There are certain obstacles in the way that keep these missionaries from getting to all of the children. It is not their fault that children are dying of starvation! It is not our fault, and it is most definitely not God's fault! Yes, there is always something that can be done. But like most things in the world, it is not something you can just jump into. You need to plan and prepare. Otherwise you'd show up in South America saying, "Ok, I'm here to give!" To which they would ask, "What do you offer?" I'd imagine an unprepared person's response going like this, "Uhhh..." I guess you could help them farm their land. But trust me, you won't get any more out of that ground than they will, thus adding nothing to them.

        For you to sit there and tell us that we should be out there feeding starving children (which is what I'm translating) is like walking over to your neighbor's house and telling him that he should pay to fix your other neighbor's damaged car. Does that make sense? By telling, or even forcing him to do that would mean that he would do it out of obligation and probably with some spite. There would be no good will going into it, thus you would get nothing good out of it. This is called passing responsibility. Avoiding the responsibility of YOUR convictions and putting them on someone else is hypocritical at best.

        And there might be a possibility that you don't feel convicted to feed starving children. But then why does it agitate you so much? It might be that you're looking for anything to pin on God that can justify your being jaded against christianity. Which is understandable, especially in this day and age. There are so many people in this world that claim to be christian, yet live so backwards that it aggravates even me. And I am so sorry that a supposed "christian" may have offended you. I am also really sorry if I have said anything to offend. I'm not snickering here, I'm being genuine. If I have in fact offended you, can you find it in yourself to forgive me?

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          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That isn't the point. Once again, it has nothing to do with US feeding starving children and everything to do with people thanking Christ for their own good fortune while others starve.



          I would agree. Yet, the notion is implied by Christians if they claim they have received such things themselves from Christ. If so, it demonstrates a favoritism to them over those who starve.



          Are you serious? How, pray tell, are small children able to fathom the concepts of religion and faith when they have nothing but the dirt under their feet? Are you saying they should just sit down and read a bible, find Jesus and everything will be fine? How utterly absurd.



          Yes, and they recruit to their flocks every day, so what? That has nothing to do with the point of the matter.



          Wonderful, we've arrived at the conclusion no one is at fault for the starving children.

          So, by the very same logic and agreement, it also isn't a god that provides for anyone, either, just as it's not a gods fault that others starve. Agreed?



          Hold the phone, there. That is NOT what I'm saying and never did say. Your translation is incorrect.



          That's the exact point I'm trying to make about people thanking their gods.



          Once more, this has nothing to do with US feeding children.



          I'm not pinning anything on gods, the blame rests squarely with the Christians themselves. Pay attention.



          The offense is on the dying and the dead, my friend, not me.



          There's nothing to be offended, you simply misunderstood my point, much like every other believer here.

          1. M Cassian profile image61
            M Cassianposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Q said, "...it has nothing to do with US feeding starving children and everything to do with people thanking Christ for their own good fortune while others starve."

            So what you are saying is that you are greatful for nothing? That you won't appreciate or be thankful for anything until all the worlds problems are solved? And you're also saying that christians should do the same? Please help me out here, I'm trying to understand.

            Christians are commanded to give thanks for the things they are given by God. That does not mean that they are neglecting others in need or being selfish. If you think that a christian should sell everything they own and buy food for starving children, all I have to say is, you first. But I imagine you won't.

            A christian in his thanking Christ is not being boastful or haughty. However, if a person who calls himself a christian is going around boasting to people about how much God has blessed them is on the fringe heresy. And I say that because it helps no one to mention all the great things you have or do. So I guess you can say that I agree with you to a point. But you are in error in saying that, "thanking Christ for their own good fortune while others starve," because it is a blanket statement that supposes that all christians are like that. Which both of us know that is not true.

            1. David2423 profile image61
              David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Good write M Cassion. I dont remember seeing anything of a boastfull Nature in any of the comments though.Strictly witnessing yor blessings to those is not of a boastfull nature. what is boastfuul for example is I Just bought a 300,000.00 house praise the Lord. For I feel sorry for such as these.I do believe they are Few.If you won the lottery what is the first thing that comes to mind.The first thing that comes to my mind is tying up loose ends only. Then the rest I will give. Money is the rout of all evil.Lottery was a bad example for its a sin.we will use inheredance instead.

              1. M Cassian profile image61
                M Cassianposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you for agreeing with me. It is my belief that God blesses us for the hidden things we do. And I personally believe that if we, say, tell the story of how we were a great witness in giving a homeless person food in the name of Christ, that good deed is no longer hidden in heaven as a treasure for you. So do good, but tell no one. In speaking out of that deed you get praise from men. And Jesus said, "...I tell you they have received their due reward." Also, "Store up for yourself treasures in heaven."

                For me, if I were to win the lottery, I am bound by God's word to tithe on my first fruits. So that is what I would do. Also, I don't think the lottery is sinful. I think that if you participate in it with the specific intent to gain wealth, you are in the fire of greed. From my understanding, the lottery system was developed to help fund schools, and I in no way think that is a bad thing, necessarily. Of course what our government decides to do with that money is another issue altogether. So it all comes down to a matter of the heart. If your heart is pure, so your deeds will also be. Furthermore, the love of money is not the root of ALL evil, but ALL KINDS of evil. The deepest root of evil is in fact pride.

                May God cause His face to shine upon you!

                1. David2423 profile image61
                  David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this
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                    David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this
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              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              So, you still don't understand what I wrote? It's right there in front of you.



              That is the hypocrisy. And, if they are commanded to do so, that would then put the blame squarely on your god for neglecting so many.

              What does your god give to the starving children other than his middle finger?



              This forum is full of them. Quite shocking.



              Not one Christian here has indicated otherwise, as yet.

              1. M Cassian profile image61
                M Cassianposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I am assuming you have no faith in Christ as christians do, and you will not understand these things until you do. This is not a cop out, but the simple truth. You said, "Not one christian here has indicated otherwise, as yet." You, yourself, have just proved your narrow scope. Your ignorance astounds me. And even though you think you don't need it, I will be praying for you. May God's grace be with you.

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                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  So, is that supposed to be a response or just childish indignation?

                  1. David2423 profile image61
                    David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    (Q) Iam going to assume you have no meaning to self. No picture no hubs just posted displays of jargin.When I see your Q I see 0 what a time of poor dismay for you. I truly will keep you in my heart and May The Lord grant you wisdom and strength and most of all meaning.It seems you lack of these. Love in Jesus.

                  2. M Cassian profile image61
                    M Cassianposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Q,

                    If by indignation you mean a "righteous anger," then yes. But it is in no way childish. By you assuming that God is doing nothing, and with it being something that you do not have full knowledge of, will inevitably spur indignation. But my last response was me giving you up to God. I have tried to understand your points as you put them and have given you the best response that I can. And I would retort that you do not understand the things that I am saying, just as you were accusing me and so many others that they don't understand you. But consider this: what if the people involved in this forum do not have the specific answer that you seek? And by assuming that the limited number of people on here who have given you disatisfactory answers and saying that all christians are like that is absurd. And I would also encourage you to find that person who has the answer for you. I would also like to say that study done only on one side of an issue will only produce biased information. And I say this making no assumtions of the research you have done. It is simply an advisory. So I pray that the Holy Spirit would have grace on you and give you mercy, and that He would give you the answer that you seek. Grace be with you.

                2. tantrum profile image59
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Nice assumptions.
                  Congrats !
                  the Lord is proud of you, I'm sure.

  13. kmackey32 profile image79
    kmackey32posted 7 years ago

    Faith is my daughters name. smile

  14. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    A god with no limitations who would let even one child die a horrible death is simply unthinkable!

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Guidance comes from within not without. Faith takes all kinds of forms; whether you believe in Science as reality or a Deity as reality is your choice. This is not an answer as I saw no question.

  16. Light and Love profile image61
    Light and Loveposted 7 years ago

    All of this isn't helping starving children anywhere or any other of the growing problems being faced in the world.  Griping about what's wrong in the world has never improved it in any way.  The only way to improve the world we live in is to change ourselves.  We are the only ones we can change.  We can choose to help others, gripe about them, argue with them, or whatever, but in the end the only thing we can do is change ourselves.  We have always been able to choose to do whatever we can for those who need us.  When we all understand this,... then, and only then, will we be of some service to the problems of the world. 

    What I see is that this is only adding negativity to what we all already know are problems in our world.  It's not helpful in fixing those problems to argue about who's right.  We can either choose to be right, or we can choose to be at peace.  I choose to be at peace, what about you?

  17. tantrum profile image59
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    Incredible ! Awesome!
    I have learned a lot from your post.
    thank you ! big_smile

  18. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    *dripping tears of joy*

  19. David2423 profile image61
    David2423posted 7 years ago

    Wow didnt know faith was such a huge topic.I see some replying who are not comfortable in their skin.I went to my church today. It was great we devoted Christians shared ways to reach out to the sick and suffering of all the world purley Christ guided today.We are teaching discipleship for you critics, arm chair critics that dont know what that means disciples are of Christ to relieve his people of their trials and transgressions and to provide to those who seek and to teach to those who have ears.and those who have not any knowledge of Christ.The great story is TANTRUM & Q Jesus and his disciples reached out to those of your being.I see alot of blaming God in this forum.God is of good.Is not Satan of this earth is not satan who feast and lives off of mans sorrows. I got to say I blame satan for the world today. for some of those I see in this forum he is hard at work. The day will come when you will either repent or be locked outside the wedding party where then there will be gnashing of teeth.If you are locked out of that kingdom will you blame God then? or yourself of hardened hearts.For my fellow Christians keep up the good work and God Bless see you on the up an up.Doubters catch ya on the down low.

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      this is so offensive !......


      'The day will come when you will either repent or be locked outside the wedding party where then there will be gnashing of teeth.If you are locked out of that kingdom will you blame God then? or yourself of hardened hearts.'

      !!!!!!!!!
      and the fact that you named me in your post !!!!!!!!

      1. David2423 profile image61
        David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        dont mean it to be offensive a little truth wont hurt anyone will it you still have time God Bless You and Keep You. all us Christians Love you

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Are you being condescending ?
          Your truth is not mine.
          You're still offending me.
          Are you treating me like an ignorant ?

        2. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          and why do you change your post?
          It's still offensive.

      2. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        this is the encouragement you're talking about ?????

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      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wonderful, I'm quite positive you accomplished much, with all the Christ guided sharing and all.



      Aha! So, it's Satan that's causing Christians to thank their gods for their plenty while abject poverty and death wreak havoc elsewhere. Brilliant theory.

  20. David2423 profile image61
    David2423posted 7 years ago

    No reason just thought you may have needed a little encouragement

    1. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Keep going !

    2. David2423 profile image61
      David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why is this offensive? I never Knew well never mind

      1. David2423 profile image61
        David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'll keep you in my prayers as I keep al mankind in my prayers

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Stop offending
          I don't need your prayers.

  21. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    There is no satisfactory argument as to why a god would busy itself finding religionists car keys while ignoring the plight of the innocent.
    The arguments for a god are absurd! .... and smack of megalomania...

  22. h.a.borcich profile image60
    h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago

    David - Just to fore warn you - Simply admitting you are a Christian is considered to be offensive to some on these forums. I am a Christian, too, and find it strange. Just my opinion, Holly

    1. David2423 profile image61
      David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Its offensive everywhere sign of the times..Keep fighting

      1. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Keep going !


        Offensive is saying that because I'm an Atheist , they have to pray for me and give me 'encouragement'

      2. David2423 profile image61
        David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And this is a topic of Christian faith forum. where do they come from its outlandish I love speaking truth to such as these for the Bible is the sword.Keep you in my prayers Holly

        1. David2423 profile image61
          David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey all those who want to keep the topic lets ignore the critics. We have that right. they will tire and move on. so any way back to square one  start over again were has your faith lead you(Christians or seekers)

          1. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            To a total disbelief in religions and gods! lol

          2. David2423 profile image61
            David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I am taking appologies also I think We got harassed more then they. besides if I would Have known you where of unbelief thats your choice but dont ridicule Christians. I  pass.

            1. tantrum profile image59
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I never ridiculed Christians!
              you ridiculed me !
              So better ,pass, yes!

              1. earnestshub profile image89
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hi tantrum! I see you are the victim of a lot of christian "truth" here! lol
                Religionists are used to a need to modify truth!
                That is how they read the "good" book! lol

                1. tantrum profile image59
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  hi Earnest !

                  I can't believe this !
                  anyway! It's not big deal !
                  more of the same ! big_smile

            2. profile image60
              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Don't ridicule Christians? After centuries of torturing and killing people for not being Christian, you don't have a leg to stand on, pal.

          3. nikki1 profile image61
            nikki1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'm 100% faithfilled. We spiritual humans have should not pray for those who think differently. We speak our opinions and do our best not to incenuate anything that can be taken wrong. We are also kind, and listen to others. As well as respect others as we request the same thing in return. Frienz4lif Hi David

            1. tantrum profile image59
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              ' We spiritual humans have should not pray for those who think differently. We speak our opinions and do our best not to incenuate anything that can be taken wrong. '

              That's true!
              but some of you should try a little bit harder and not offend so freely.
              it's no good for your christian souls.

              1. David2423 profile image61
                David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hi frienz4lif  just observing I love it Lol. It is our duty to pray for all mankind For I love them all as Christ does

              2. nikki1 profile image61
                nikki1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Point taken. Also, that does go both ways.

                1. tantrum profile image59
                  tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  But we don't have Christian souls,nor a god to fear.

    2. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      that's not true.
      Offensive is saying that because I'm an Atheist , they have to pray for me and give me 'encouragement'
      You're misunderstanding.

      1. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No Tantrum...I posted on this thread earlier today - did not say how anyone should have faith, didn't pray for anyone over it, and did not denigrate anyone else's belief or right to disbelieve - and was attacked openly and ridiculed. No apology for offending me was offered.
        I clearly posted to David the truth about what happens on this forum. There is no lie. Holly

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          and that was me ??
          show me.

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So ??
            where's my offense to you ?????

          2. h.a.borcich profile image60
            h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I never said it was you! No clue as to why you would even think that.
              All I did was fore warn David about what is a fact. How you are concluding this is about you is beyond me. Reread. Holly

    3. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      True 'Christian' feelings !

      thanks so much!
      I appreciate your kindness.

      1. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        How is this about you?

    4. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If I'm speaking about being offended and you post this right after, what do I have to imply?

      1. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Make it into whatever you imagine. I posted to David about how it is on the forum. If you want to be upset about it - go for it. Seems rather pompous for you to be offended I posted to a specific hubber. Whatever. Holly

    5. profile image60
      (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Strange? People used to be killed for not admitting to be Christian, seems you're getting off quite light, comparatively speaking.

      1. h.a.borcich profile image60
        h.a.borcichposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        For someone who claims Christianity is nothing more than a fairy tale, you sure seem to get bent over anyone with a belief of any stregnth. smile

        1. David2423 profile image61
          David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I see alot of chat here about ego. with the person talking of the meaning doesnt know what ego defines. Ego is not merely a possesion it is an action put the words together. Excluding God Out.Your words seem to self indulge  our intellect. when really you speak out of the bottom if you wish, and fail to speak from meaning. Keep searching and you will find, for self is what blinds you this causes you to Exclude God Out.

        2. profile image60
          (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Anyone with a shred of common sense would be aghast at the claims of Christians here and their complete lack of compassion and understanding.

          1. earnestshub profile image89
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Some have no knowledge of the real world at all apparently. smile

          2. Light and Love profile image61
            Light and Loveposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Christians, like everyone else, are individuals as well as human beings.  What exactly is it you are speaking about?  What claims, and what lack of compassion and understanding?  I'm not able to follow this vague statement.  I'll need you to further expain yourself.

            1. profile image60
              (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I have already explained that to you. One more time?

              Christians praise their gods for the things god has given them, yet there are 24,000 children who starve to death each day.

              With me so far?

              So, if Christians are receiving all those wonderful things from god, why is their god neglecting those starving children and why does he let them perish horribly while Christians are happy and well fed?

              1. profile image0
                Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Because they're not Christians, Duh! big_smile

                1. Jerami profile image77
                  Jeramiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                     When humanity expands beyond its own ability to sustain it self due to in part to modern science extending the life expectency of 50 persent of the population, someone has to suffer. If science can not take care of the people that it is providing means to to survive longer we can blame science for only doing half of the job that we are expecting for it to do.

                  1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    So god doesn't mind intervening to stop the sun so that the Israelits can finish massacring their enemies, but this situation does not warrant his intervention (scratches head theatrically)

                  2. profile image60
                    (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Fair enough. Let's have every single self-serving Christian here who has been thanking their gods to exchange places with those starving children and then they too can experience just how much their gods will provide for them.

                2. profile image60
                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  But, many of those who starve to death are children of Christians, amongst other religions. Their parents have similar beliefs, just like those here.

              2. Light and Love profile image61
                Light and Loveposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I don't take offense to the things you say.  I know you are a good person and you really would like an answer to your question. 

                I would say that Christians are thankful for what God had given them.  I would also say that, at least the Christians I know, are doing the best they can with what they have been given.  For some people, who have grown up in less than perfect family situations, they have further to go in their understanding before they will see clear enough to make the decisions that are necessary for the greater good.  However, finding the flaws in people, or beating them while they are down, is not a way to help them improve the choices they make in their lives.  I'm in no way saying this true of Christians or anyone in particular.  Everyone's situations are different is all I'm saying.  If you think badly about Christians ( or God for that matter ), it will not help the starving children.  If you see a way to help the starving children, I believe that would be of better use in these forums.  People are not reluctant to help if they know how.  Find a way to help and add positivity rather than negativity to the world, and you have found a way to do something wonderful by turning any of those neg. thoughts into something that could be awesome for the world and for the starving children.  We need a way to bring people together, not tear them apart in our frustration. 

                One thing that I have learned in this world is that if I see a problem in it, it's my problem, not the worlds problem.  If I see it, then it is obviously something that means enough to me to play a part in trying to fix it.  When I fix what is wrong, then, I no longer see the fault that I once had with the world.  I look at it like this, the things that I notice as I go about my business in the world, are a direct reflection of myself.  Likewise, the things you notice about the world are a direct reflection of you.  It works that way for each and every one of us.  The world actually shows us exactly what we need to do while we are here.  If we pay attention to the things we feel strongly about, we can figure out what can be done, and then, if we are determined enough, we will find a way to change ourselves in an attempt to correct what we found wrong.  After all we are the only one who we can change.  Then, we will no longer see the sadness or ugliness that we once had. This change of focus transforms us into helpful people who can make a difference in this world, putting our energy into the solution to the problems rather than finding someone to blame for them.  I hope this is an answer that is helpful to you.  Be well.

                (I apologize for having you explain yourself twice.  I was being lazy, I didn't feel like looking back over all the past pages of writing. smile )

                1. profile image60
                  (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You have just hit the proverbial nail on the head, my friend. That is exactly the magnitude of hypocrisy I've been asking for an explanation.



                  But that's my point, it is the Christians who are "beating people when they are down" as they clasp their hands in prayer and thank Jesus for their abundance. That not only doesn't help the starving children, it insults them.



                  Yes, turn the hypocrisy and unfeeling of others into my personal problem of negativity. Well done, you've deferred the issue once again.



                  Christians must first stop demonstrating the ugliness before I'm no longer able to see it.



                  Not really, but thanks anyways.

                  1. Light and Love profile image61
                    Light and Loveposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Then, I guess you are right, whatever "right" means to you.  Whatever you believe, you are correct.  The thing is that this is true for everyone.  Whatever we believe, we are correct also.  And, each one of us will believe whatever we wish.  That, I know for sure!

                    By taking each thing I wrote out of it's context, rather than trying to understand it as a whole, you have not heard the answer to your question, which I HAVE answered.  I don't believe you were actually looking for an answer to your question at this point, however.  I believe your interest lies only in being correct.  Good luck to you.  Now, if you'll excuse me, I believe that I will go about the business of making a positive difference in our world.

  23. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    May you all be touched by His Noodly Appendage! smile

  24. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    I am still waiting after 16 months for even one religionist to get it! lol
    Assuming their god on a non believer is both rude and arrogant, and the reason they ellicit such blunt responses.
    Laughable, yet a bit sad! smile

    1. David2423 profile image61
      David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Iam going to share. I am going to start a forum on atheism and how it benefits the world today. care to join me? so we can free up this forum about Christian Faith.Honestly this is of all good intentions for all of you. I hate to see you get disrespected in anyway so this forum on atheism will be your own little Forum my gift to you in the deepest of sympathy this forum of Faith might of caused you.see you there

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Cute! In case you had not noticed the forum is about religion.... and beliefs. Do you want me to start a fundy one for you?
        Before you try to be a smart arse, first you need to be smart! lol

        1. David2423 profile image61
          David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          sorry I know it was a relgion forum.Its just seeing the number of Christian responses I dont want you to feel Ridiculed so please accept. you in your beliefs have the right to feel that way so why not share on a athiest forum where you are not feeling bullied or a minority. see you there again truly sorry. I am sure you wont have any Christians bother you on your very own forum.

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            but we are not bothered by Christians !! the proof is we're here.
            You are the ones bothered by us!
            Only reading the posts anyone can see that ! lol

            1. earnestshub profile image89
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Exactly! smile

              1. tantrum profile image59
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Exactly!
                I think it's very clear.

                1. nikki1 profile image61
                  nikki1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  We aren't bothered by you either. We all think differently. Do you believe in God and his Jesus? Do you believe that Jesus died for our sins? Frienz4lif

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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What was your belief or religion again?

          1. David2423 profile image61
            David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Man settles down when you give them what they want. we are all curious to the point of Faith I onced searched also but then I was Found.God Bless Sandra rinck

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        (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So essentially, you wish to cup your hands over your ears and shout, "LALALALALALALA!"

        Same thing.

  25. TheGlassSpider profile image80
    TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago

    You know. With all the talk of microchips...I can't help but wonder if somewhere the NWO are watching...taking note of all the Christians.

    Creepy thoughts.

    1. David2423 profile image61
      David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I would be honored to suffer NWO and death for my Christ the battle cant come soon enough.Creepy No Fulfilling yes.

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It is so important to religionists that they are right that the end of the world is a good thing! lol

        1. Light and Love profile image61
          Light and Loveposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The end of the world, or the end of ego.  You can look at it however you like.  It's a good thing.

        2. David2423 profile image61
          David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Take Notes I Know they Know where I live.. LOL scared Not at all.anxious oh yeah to defend my Christ

          1. David2423 profile image61
            David2423posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Oh and how good that day will be trumpets Singning redemption How awesome Look forward to it.Is that creepy for you

    2. Light and Love profile image61
      Light and Loveposted 7 years ago

      The ideas that have been spoken about here are all correct from each of your perspectives.  The thing is we all have very different ideas of who or what 'God' is.  So, we are all correct!  We create our own worlds and therefore we are all correct in what we have said here.  The sad part only being that we feel the need to triumph and be more correct than one another.  Our reality is whatever we each individually believe for ourselves.  The fact that everyone believes something slightly different or even extremely different is what we all have in common. = )

    3. Light and Love profile image61
      Light and Loveposted 7 years ago

      I only want to add one more thought to this forum considering it's titled FAITH.  Only those with faith see the beauty the world holds.  Those without faith cannot and will not because the ugliness they see in the world is their own.

      All the world is a mirror simply reflecting back to us who we believe we are and what we truly think of ourselves.

      That's why blaming won't change anything, only owning up to our own wrong doings will bring about the changes that we wish to see in our world.

      The faithful know this already.

      1. earnestshub profile image89
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Only religious fanatics see the beauty of the world? which planet are you on? lol

        Non believers enjoy the world without being petrified by fear of an invisible hateful entity. So naturally the world is a great place! lol

        1. Light and Love profile image61
          Light and Loveposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You seem a bit defensive.  Faith, THE FAITHFUL, not 'religious fanantics' which I don't believe is a very nice way to talk about anyone.  The dictionary definition of FAITH doesn't exclude those who do not believe in God, so there is no need to be defensive.  I said nothing of religion or lack of religion.  You must have faith in SOMETHING, even if it's yourself.  Your views are your own, and mine are mine, and the next guys views are his.  I just write about what speaks truth to me. 

          You don't need to agree with me, I still believe that the world mirrors who we are back to us in an attempt to show us what we need to work on and what we are fine with.  If what I see in my world isn't good, I look in the mirror.  That's the only way to fix it.  It works every time.  My world gets better every day as I come across a situation that doesn't sit well with me and I do something about it.  Even the smallest changes I make in myself create a better world by adding some amount of positivity to it.  Again, I'm not asking you to agree with me.

          I certainly do not live in fear of God or anything for that matter.  Fear is what shuts down the very purpose of our existence.  I don't believe in good or evil.  It's my opinion that what we believe is our reality, and it's very individualized.  Educated and uneducated, yes, I believe in that!  I believe in BEING, and I believe that what we choose to focus on in our lives is what we will find.  Our thoughts make life go the way we expect it to.  Life doesn't happen and then we have to deal with it.  We expect it to be a certain way and it is.  I believe that we are all doing the best we can with what we have been given.  So, yes, the truth that I still see is that only the faithful see the world's beauty, even if it's faith in themselves.  Maybe I could have better written it that the faithful see the world's beauty MORE COMPLETELY. It's all based on whatever you choose to focus on really.  So, if you focus on things that you don't like, you are only making them stronger.  Likewise, if you focus on what you want, you will create THAT for yourself.

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            If you say FAITH , you're implying you believe in a religion.
            If not you would say faith.
            anyway, who doesn't have faith in something?
            Very few people, and for some depression problem. Every human being has faith one time or other, in different things.
            What some of us have not ,is FAITH.

      2. tantrum profile image59
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Are you implying that I can't see the beauty of the world ????
        I know perfectly well who I am. I love and respect myself. An I have a wonderful life, even I'm an Atheist! lol
        and I see the beauty alright.

        Are you serious ?
        yikes
        mad

        Can't believe someone who by his beliefs should be 'all loving' can post such comments !!

        1. shazwellyn profile image83
          shazwellynposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          why do people get so hung up Tantrum?  They should set an example, dont you think?  Isnt life about love and respect?

          p.s. you look different with your clothes on!  Oh sorry... its a man you have on!!! hehehe

          1. tantrum profile image59
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes! you know people and their beliefs.
            Whatever!
            Now he/she changes the comment saying they were talking of faith.
            But if you write Faith in caps ,I think you're implying a religion.
            don't you think ?


            I look different because this pick was taken 3 years ago.
            i'm older now
            lol

            1. Light and Love profile image61
              Light and Loveposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Tantrum, I wrote FAITH as opposed to faith because it's the title of this forum, which I thought I made clear by saying that.  That's the reason I wrote it that way.  The dictionary definition that I'm going by for this faith I'm speaking of is as follows: 

              1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, an idea or a thing.

              or even

              2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

              Take your pick, either would suffice.

              1. tantrum profile image59
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                the title of this thread is FAITH in Christ. So it's about religion.
                and we're in the Christianity forum.
                So , if you don't clarify, speaking of FAITH here ,is speaking of a believe.

                The dictionary can say whatever. We're speaking every day English here, where FAITH is a believe.
                Thus my comment to you.

                Which were this ones :


                Are you implying that I can't see the beauty of the world ????
                I know perfectly well who I am. I love and respect myself. An I have a wonderful life, even I'm an Atheist!
                and I see the beauty alright.

                Are you serious ?



                Can't believe someone who by his beliefs should be 'all loving' can post such comments !!


                And then :

                If you say FAITH , you're implying you believe in a religion.
                If not you would say faith.
                anyway, who doesn't have faith in something?
                Very few people, and for some depression problem. Every human being has faith one time or other, in different things.
                What some of us have not ,is FAITH.

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                (Q)posted 7 years ago in reply to this

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